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Date Posted: 13:54:38 02/24/07 Sat
Author: Anonymous
Subject: This is true. The fees for h/m have gone crazy. Most all of higher than the pageant fees itself. This is why moms ask for discounts. I would love to see more of a control on pageants by the states!
In reply to: 's message, "MODELING COACHES AND H&M CONTROL" on 11:47:55 02/24/07 Sat

>The directors do cater to these people. This insures
>them getting enough contestants, when in fact they are
>losing the main stream kids that could bring more
>contestants to their pageants. There are a few
>directors who don't cater to them and keep their
>integrity. They are the one's that will come out on
>top in the end. Most of the bigger pageants think they
>are successful if they pull in over a hundred when in
>fact before all the coaches and H&M came along it was
>nothing for the bigger pageants to get 200 - 300
>contestants. Im seeing more face pageants all the
>time. Beauty and basic modeling is all that is needed.
>Most are puting photogenic in its own event, and is
>not counted toward the grand. This is very smart of
>the director. She knows that she made a way for more
>contestants to come and compete without them spending
>all the money on modeling and pictures.
>
>Do you moms realize that most all the hairdressers out
>there learned on their own how to do H&M, because they
>couldn't afford the fees for it. Now they are charging
>you the big fees. Most of you could do it if you
>pratice. You know you can. You don't have to be
>controlled by these people. Buy a pageant tape and
>work on basic modeling with your child. Attend
>pageants that don't require all the big pro-am. Very
>few kids can excell at it no matter how many expensive
>coaching lessons they get. Just like dance. Not all
>children are good even with many lessons. This pro am
>put many children at a disadvantage for winning those
>grand supreme titles no matter how beautiful and
>poised they are. Better yet, get yourself the modeling
>lessons so you can teach your own child and save the
>money.
>DIRECTORS YOU ARE MAKING IT TOO HARD TO COME AND
>COMPETE. NO WONDER YOU CANT GET HUGE NUMBERS. ALL YOU
>CAN GET IS THE COACHES AND H&M KIDS. THEY TAKE ALL THE
>WINS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CATER THEY DON'T COME TO
>YOUR PAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE KNOW WHAT IS
>GOING ON. THINK ABOUT ALL THIS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT
>I'M RIGHT.
>
>ANOTHER THING THAT REALLY GRIPES ME. About the time
>our kids get their routiens down, the coach comes up
>with some new diffent moves she wants to change so you
>spend even more money. For instance--now they are
>changing the beauty walk into a diamond or triange at
>the front X. More money. WHO CAN CHANGE THIS AND
>DEMAND THAT BEAUTY MODELING HAS TO STAY THE SAME? THE
>DIRECTOR THAT WHO. YOU ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL, BUT IF
>YOUR CATERING TO THE COACHES YOU WILL ALLOW THAT MOVE
>TO WIN, BECAUSE YOU FEED EACH OTHER.
>
>ANOTHER THING--- Don't call the photo's "PHOTOGENIC"
>call them best digital inhansing and give the prize to
>the retoucher. There is absolutly no photogenic
>qualitys about it. IT'S FEEDING EACH OTHER AGAIN.
>I don't think the rest of the vendors have any pull
>with the directors, but know for a fact and so does
>everyone about coaches and h&m vendors.
>
>You may not like this post, but I can tell you that
>this is the way most people feel about pageants now.
>
>I forgot one more thing. I have a big problem with our
>kids competing late at night. As much as I like Mr.
>Tim I think his time should be cut short so that my
>child can compete at a decent time which would improve
>her score. Midnight is just a little to much on her.

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[> True! I would love to see a controlled hobby with license, boards and such so that people can not keep going up and up. Some control like they do with builders, roofers and such -- Anonymous, 13:55:53 02/24/07 Sat [1]

>The directors do cater to these people. This insures
>them getting enough contestants, when in fact they are
>losing the main stream kids that could bring more
>contestants to their pageants. There are a few
>directors who don't cater to them and keep their
>integrity. They are the one's that will come out on
>top in the end. Most of the bigger pageants think they
>are successful if they pull in over a hundred when in
>fact before all the coaches and H&M came along it was
>nothing for the bigger pageants to get 200 - 300
>contestants. Im seeing more face pageants all the
>time. Beauty and basic modeling is all that is needed.
>Most are puting photogenic in its own event, and is
>not counted toward the grand. This is very smart of
>the director. She knows that she made a way for more
>contestants to come and compete without them spending
>all the money on modeling and pictures.
>
>Do you moms realize that most all the hairdressers out
>there learned on their own how to do H&M, because they
>couldn't afford the fees for it. Now they are charging
>you the big fees. Most of you could do it if you
>pratice. You know you can. You don't have to be
>controlled by these people. Buy a pageant tape and
>work on basic modeling with your child. Attend
>pageants that don't require all the big pro-am. Very
>few kids can excell at it no matter how many expensive
>coaching lessons they get. Just like dance. Not all
>children are good even with many lessons. This pro am
>put many children at a disadvantage for winning those
>grand supreme titles no matter how beautiful and
>poised they are. Better yet, get yourself the modeling
>lessons so you can teach your own child and save the
>money.
>DIRECTORS YOU ARE MAKING IT TOO HARD TO COME AND
>COMPETE. NO WONDER YOU CANT GET HUGE NUMBERS. ALL YOU
>CAN GET IS THE COACHES AND H&M KIDS. THEY TAKE ALL THE
>WINS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CATER THEY DON'T COME TO
>YOUR PAGEANTS. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE KNOW WHAT IS
>GOING ON. THINK ABOUT ALL THIS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT
>I'M RIGHT.
>
>ANOTHER THING THAT REALLY GRIPES ME. About the time
>our kids get their routiens down, the coach comes up
>with some new diffent moves she wants to change so you
>spend even more money. For instance--now they are
>changing the beauty walk into a diamond or triange at
>the front X. More money. WHO CAN CHANGE THIS AND
>DEMAND THAT BEAUTY MODELING HAS TO STAY THE SAME? THE
>DIRECTOR THAT WHO. YOU ARE IN TOTAL CONTROL, BUT IF
>YOUR CATERING TO THE COACHES YOU WILL ALLOW THAT MOVE
>TO WIN, BECAUSE YOU FEED EACH OTHER.
>
>ANOTHER THING--- Don't call the photo's "PHOTOGENIC"
>call them best digital inhansing and give the prize to
>the retoucher. There is absolutly no photogenic
>qualitys about it. IT'S FEEDING EACH OTHER AGAIN.
>I don't think the rest of the vendors have any pull
>with the directors, but know for a fact and so does
>everyone about coaches and h&m vendors.
>
>You may not like this post, but I can tell you that
>this is the way most people feel about pageants now.
>
>I forgot one more thing. I have a big problem with our
>kids competing late at night. As much as I like Mr.
>Tim I think his time should be cut short so that my
>child can compete at a decent time which would improve
>her score. Midnight is just a little to much on her.


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