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Date Posted: 13:05:45 11/24/09 Tue
Author: muppetmel
Subject: That's not one little thing!!!! ;-D
In reply to: Carrie 's message, "Muppy, just one little thing" on 07:49:19 11/24/09 Tue

Technically, anyone down here can get healthcare if they really need it. They just go to the ER and get treated if they are really manic, or if they have diabetic ketoacidosis, or if they have a seizure and knock some teeth out.

That's good. No one should be turned away EVER, especially over the issue of ability to pay. To me, it's far more costly to the system to have untreated illnesses and contagious diseases that are not monitored than to send someone packing because they can't pay.

Would it be amazing if they would have coverage to pay for the thousands of dollars worth of bills they'll have from that ER visit? Yes. But what would be even better is if they were able to get a baseline of medical care that would allow them to not even need to go to the ER or urgent care because their illnesses would be under better control.

Yes, but how is this going to be paid for? That's the question. IMHO,your government has vastly under represented the cost of universal health care for the U.S. as set out in the behemoth bill no one can decipher, and has glossed over how it will be paid for. Like Linda, I'm in the 45 per cent tax bracket with virtually NO tax breaks. Lots of people are in my boat. So what have they done here in Ontario? Each year, more and more and more medical services that were once funded under the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP), which is the provincial branch of our national public health care system, are now delisted. Yep, you heard that right. Taken off the list of insured services and you now have to pay out of pocket for them.

All I am saying is slow down and work this through with ALL parties at the table, and that includes patient and health care advocates, or you will be going down the road to financial ruin. What's your unemployment rate at now? 10.4 per cent and climbing. Obama's economic "solutions" like the stimulus plan, buyouts and cash for clunkers has not helped your middle class. You need to proceed with caution and consider health care and not plow through a bill that no one can understand, or you will find yourself still unable to pay for your medical insurance.

I'd be worried if I were you.

As I see it, that's the problem with our system right now. We need to focus more on taking care of people with illnesses *before* they have problems requiring a trip to the emergency room.

Agreed very much so. Illness and disease prevention. Management of chronic illness. Care in the home. But you need the care providers and the infrastructure. The best of our system is failing because, as an example, doctors don't find it affordable to practice family medicine. Nurses can't deal with excessive patient volumes and increasingly complex care demands and are burning out, are sick and injured from the physical and mental demands of their jobs, or are retiring early. Guess which labour group is the sickest and most injured group in Canada of all occupations? If you said, "nurses," you'd be right.

If I have to pay more in taxes to make sure that people who need help can get it, so be it. I'm willing to do that.

Carrie, as I said I'm in a 45 per cent tax bracket. I have the cadillac of benefits coverages, including dental (no longer covered by our public health plan) and vision (no longer covered by our public health plan), etc., and I can top up my extended health coverage if I need to. But guess what, I'm virtually drowning in red ink because I can't afford the high cost of living in Toronto anymore. I can't afford the taxes and I can't afford the rent. It is COSTLY to live here. And lucky me -- I have a union job with job security!

I probably wouldn't have felt that way before I took this job, but having seen what I have in the past two years, I think that some drastic changes have to be made and I'm willing to do my part to help.

I agree reform needs to happen on both sides of the border, but "universal" health care is not the panacea you think it is. And what about all those undocumented workers in the U.S. that already draw on your resources. Are you happy that your tax dollars will extend to their medical coverage?

And, one more thing: IMHO, anyone who thinks that there isn't an insurance company goon (read: bureaucrat) standing in between a person and their doctor right now is delusional.

Well as I said, and as I've heard Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh say, reform is critical -- just not Obama's proposal for reform.

Your middle America mobsters (Just call me "the Mangler") have been trying to say via town hall meetings and tea parties that they want to keep their health care coverage and they want to be able to determine what it entails. They just don't want government meddling in it and they don't want someone telling them how to spend their hard earned dollars. I sure can relate to that.

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