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Date Posted: 09:07:19 03/09/09 Mon
Author: Hogarth
Subject: Re: That is one steaming pile of racist crap.
In reply to: scooter 's message, "That is one steaming pile of racist crap." on 06:07:36 03/09/09 Mon

The "Party of Tolerance" continues to amaze me with their close-mindedness.

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[> [> "Trading color for experience" -- Jeannine, 09:40:33 03/09/09 Mon [1]

is very accurate in my opinion. Scooter, do you honestly think Obama would be the President right now if his name was Bob Smith and he was a white guy with the exact experience and qualifications as BO?

I know a lot of that article was way over the top. But racism is not owned by the GOP. I don't owe anyone anything because of their skin color. Those who think I do are racist.


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[> [> [> Re: "Trading color for experience" -- niki, 17:28:57 03/09/09 Mon [1]

"do you honestly think Obama would be the President right now if his name was Bob Smith and he was a white guy with the exact experience and qualifications"

Yes, I do. Do you seriously believe that all those people only voted for him because he's part-black?!?

Frankly I think almost any color person could have gotten elected with a platform of avoiding 4 more years of Bush-like politics.


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[> [> [> No Niki - not all -- Jeannine, 18:44:42 03/09/09 Mon [1]

but a lot. I do think it is what brought him to prominence and made him the media darling. He was the "hip" politically correct candidate. I actually know people who voted for him that cannot tell you anything he stands for - except, of course, hope and change.

I have many issues with Mr Obama, his race is not one of them. To say that he and the Democrats did not use his race is naive, imo.

BUT - pointing any of this out automatically makes me a racist - a charge that is impossible to defend and is frankly, extremely hurtful. But I am a Republican, so I have no feelings.


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[> [> [> Re: "Trading color for experience" -- niki, 08:30:04 03/10/09 Tue [1]

"To say that he and the Democrats did not use his race is naive, imo."
Just as the other side used his race and his name to imply that he is a muslum and a foreigner.
All part of the circus that is politics in this country.

But to say that he would not have been elected if he were 100% white, implies that the great majority of people voted for him because he is half-black, and I don't think that is a true statement.

"I actually know people who voted for him that cannot tell you anything he stands for"
And I actually know people who voted for McCain who couldn't tell you anything he stands for either. I know of people who voted for McCain out of fear cause they didn't trust Obama- which is fine and their right.

I DO think that a lot of the votes were not so much for Obama but against Bush. Which may have been unfair to McCain, but he didn't distance himself enough from Bush and the 'party line' IMO. I always liked McCain and I was sorry to see him cowtow to the party line to get the support of the Bush supporters. But I suppose that is all water under the bridge now.

"But I am a Republican, so I have no feelings."
If you take politics personally, it will be hurtful. I watch my sister struggle finacially and I find it hurtful when Republicans insist that anyone needing any assistance is lazy and trying to work the system. I have also heard comments that anyone without healthcare should have planned better or should go get a better job. Like it is that simple.


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[> [> [> [> Thank you Niki -- Jeannine, 15:54:28 03/10/09 Tue [1]

for discussing this with me.

You are right that politics are hurtful when you take them personally. I do not believe that everyone on welfare or with government assistance is lazy etc. Who are these republicans who feel that way? I certainly don't know them. I am sure they exist, but republicans don't hold the patent on stupidity or bigotry. I don't think that having an opinion about race makes you a racist either, but I do think that is a great way to marginalize someone's opinion.

It is hard not to take all of this personally. My husband was laid off last Friday. I have been laid off. Neither of us is lazy, trust me, and now neither of us is working. We are much luckier than most because we have some money in the bank - and none in the stock market, thank God.

You are no doubt right about Bush helping Obama get elected. It was a foregone conclusion in my mind that a Democrat would win this time, maybe rightly so. But things are not going well. At all. And Obama is apparently following one Bush doctrine - "my way or the highway".

I hope things get better for your sister - hell, I hope things get better for us all!


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[> [> [> [> Re: "Trading color for experience" -- niki, 19:21:14 03/10/09 Tue [1]

Quote from the above article: "More nanny-state provisions will be put into place to protect the "disadvantaged" and the "poor," (read: lazy, uneducated, unwilling to better themselves)"

I also hear it almost daily in the online comments section of our local paper. I certainly do not think that ALL republicans thing that way, but it seems to be a prevailing idea from the local republicans, including my own brother. He has stated that he believes nearly everyone on welfare is 'working the system' I see some who are, but I also see many who are trying so hard to make sure they don't need to take a handout.

I was hoping that Obama would try to bring people together more than he has. But I still do not think that all the dire predictions are likely, nor do I think that they are helpful. I will just say I was more scared when Bush was in office. I know you do not feel the same way and I hope that things improve for you guys soon. I will add you to the list of un- and under-employed that I am praying for.


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