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Date Posted: 12:14:43 10/03/08 Fri
Author: DizzyDeb
Subject: I agree.
In reply to: HF 's message, "At one point during the debate, I was really angry." on 11:29:14 10/03/08 Fri

What people are so afraid of, I don't know. But I have several friends in same-sex relationships that have lasted more years that a lot of my hetero friends. It's a hot-button issue right now and nobody wants to commit political suicide by just coming out and saying they support it. If you're going to agree to civil unions and rights, why not go the next step and let people be "married"?

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[> It's not just semantics... -- SB, 12:41:44 10/03/08 Fri [1]

Civil unions are so vastly different in so many ways than the legal term of 'marriage' I'm not even sure it's much of a victory for a state to allow them, although it's certainly better than nothing I suppose. If I were gay, seeing the differences between the two, I'd be pissed off too!

Even in the states where gay marriage is legal, gay couples are still not eligible for federal benefits, i.e., social security benefits, filing joint tax returns, military benefits. We can thank the Defense against Marriage Act and Bill Clinton for that.

I suppose I'll never understand how it hurts my marriage in anyway, shape or form, but the masses have spoken...and spoken....and spoken. In Florida I think there are already 3 laws on the books on this subject, but now an organization has garnered enough signatures to put it on the ballot in November for an amendment to FURTHER clarify that marriage is only between a man and woman. Hellooooo? Talk about over the top overkill! It's already a friggin law!

Sorry the rant....this topic gets under my skin. As long as there is politiking from the pulpit things will never change. Maybe in our twilight years when our children are in charge...discrimination will come to the end. I hope I live to see it.


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[> [> I didn't realize -- niki, 10:21:38 10/04/08 Sat [1]

that civil unions did not allow for federal benefits. What exact IS a civil union then?

Marriage is a term that clearly the religious people claim as 'belonging' to them. (for the record, I am religious, I but think anyone should be able to marry anyone over the legal age) The ONLY agrument I ever hear against gay marriage is the religious one. But we allow athetists to get married, so clearly the definition has more than just religious connotations. And no one has EVER been able to explain to me how gay marriage harms other marriages in any way.
I think we need to distinguish between legal marriage and religous marriage.


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[> [> [> There's several -- SB, 15:53:58 10/05/08 Sun [1]

good websites that outline the difference. I think the difference is night and day really.

https://www.massequality.org/ourwork/marriage/marriagevscivilunions.pdf


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