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Subject: Can You Identify These Whipping Scenes?


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Stan
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Date Posted: 10:58:30 07/23/16 Sat

I did not have the kind of childhood described in my post titled "I Was Kidnapped & Tortured By a Sadistic Motorcycle Gang", nor the kind described in my post titled "The Boys' Reformatory". And yet, even at this early age, I felt an intense compulsion to experience THE LASH. Until I "came out" in the BDSM community many years later, what little exposure I had to whippings was what I viewed on TV or in the movie theater. Those whipping scenes left indelible memories on my tender psyche.

More recently, I've attempted to revisit those celluloid whipping scenes from my childhood. Where I have been successful in locating them, I've generally found that my memories of them were surprisingly accurate.

If the scene was from a Western TV series, I was usually able to locate that scene, but if it was from a theater movie, I was not always successful in finding it because, when I was a kid, I was only focused on the action, not on movie titles or actors' names. There are 2 whipping scenes I recall very vividly from my childhood that I haven't yet been able to locate or identify. I'll now present what information I seem to recall about those scenes in the hope that some viewer may be able to identify them for me.

(1) I saw the first scene on TV in the 1950s or 1960s. However, my educated guess is that it was a movie released first in theaters and later re-shown on TV, rather than an episode from a TV series. The movie was a Western, and it was in black-and-white.

I believe the plot involved a conflict between 2 brothers, one good and one evil. The good brother was captured by the evil brother's gang and taken inside a barn where his hands were tied to an overhead beam with his arms stretched vertically over his head. And he was shirtless. He was first punched in the stomach repeatedly. So I suspect they were trying to elicit some information from him. I seem to recall that the ranch foreman was a "heavy", reminding me somewhat of Raymond Burr or Edmond O'Brien but may have been some other actor.

Since punching him had not proven effective, the foreman then ordered one of the ranch hands to bring him "THE BELT", which was a wide garrison belt hanging from a nail on the barn wall. The foreman was about to whip the good brother with that belt when someone entered the barn requiring his attention. As a result of that interruption, the foreman had to leave immediately. Then, one of the ranch hands took charge of THE BELT. Grabbing it by the buckle, he slowly began to wrap part of the belt around his hand,. Menacingly, he told the good brother that he was now going to resume where the foreman had left off! He then proceeded to administer a belt whipping on his bare back. I don't recall how much they actually showed of the belt whipping, but, knowing Hollywood, it was probably not nearly as much as I would have liked.

I believe this scene stuck in my mind all these years because I had fantasies of getting whipped with a garrison belt.

(2) The other still-unidentified whipping scene I recall from my childhood was probably originally made for TV and was most likely a TV miniseries, rather than an episode of a regular weekly series. The plot took place during the Civil War. So it may have been produced for the Civil War Centennial in the early 1960s. The scene took place either at an Army post or an encampment. I suspect the latter because I seem to recall seeing tents in this program, although I'm not absolutely certain about that.

Anyway, a relatively young Union soldier committed some offense that warranted a whipping. He was tied to a whipping post, hands over his head, and I believe he was shirtless. He was then given 10 lashes with what I seem to recall was a bullwhip. The following scene showed the victim inside a tent (I believe) moaning from the pain of the lashes he had received. I'm pretty sure of the number of lashes. We were watching this program at the dinner table, and my mother's boyfriend, who was eating dinner with us, commented that the soldier was making too much of a fuss after getting ONLY 10 lashes!

It's possible that this whipping scene was in a program sponsored by Walt Disney. In case you think that is unlikely, Walt Disney produced another TV miniseries, "The Swamp Fox", in which a young Colonial boy, played by Tim Considine, is given a whipping by a British Army officer. This was another whipping scene I recalled from my childhood that I had been unable to identify. I am thankful to Alvin Easter, author of the book "Lash", for identifying that scene for me.

I guess that, if Walt Disney thought it was okay to show a young boy receiving a whipping during prime time, then, surely, a whipping must be a healthy and wholesome experience that all young men should be exposed to in order to build their character.

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Date Posted: 14:42:07 01/28/17 Sat

When I submitted my original post, little did I expect that I would end up answering part of it myself!

Just the other day, I was viewing an old Western movie on DVD. Part way into the movie, I suddenly realized that I was watching the "whipping scene" that had left such an indelible memory on my mind, but whose identity had eluded me for over 50 years!

As I watched that scene, I noted which details my memory had accurately recalled and which memories had not been accurate. Considering how short the "whipping scene" actually was, it's a wonder I had any memory of it at all. But, in the 1950s, there were so few opportunities for a kid to view a whipping (let alone experience one) that I replayed over and over in my mind any such scene I saw on TV or in the movies.

One detail I got wrong probably caused the most difficulty in identifying this movie. The movie was actually filmed in color, but I was unaware of that because I had viewed it on my family's black-and-white TV set. As I accurately recalled, the movie was about 2 brothers, one good (Rock Hudson) and one evil (Robert Ryan). However, the good brother was captured and tortured by another evil person, not his brother. And that evil person was indeed Raymond Burr, but he was the ranch owner, not the foreman. He tied the good brother up by his hands and then tortured him to reveal his brother's whereabouts. Just as I had remembered, the good brother was first punched in the stomach, but he revealed nothing. Then Raymond Burr asks a ranch hand to bring him THE BELT. Surprisingly, the ranch hand removes a belt from his own waist, not from the wall. And the belt was not a garrison belt but what appears to be a Confederate Army belt with a large metal belt plate, rather than a standard buckle. Before Raymond Burr can use the belt, he is interrupted, and he hands the belt back to the ranch hand, who then wraps the belt around his own hand, beginning at the non-buckle end. It becomes apparent that he is going to whip Rock Hudson with the buckle end of the belt! The ranch hand swings the belt, apparently aiming it toward Rock's chest, not his back, but unfortunately, the scene ends before we can hear Rock's response.

I wish I could say that the "whipping scene" was every bit as good as I had remembered it, but it left me disappointed on several counts. First, I should mention that Rock Hudson's shirt remained on during the entire scene. When a man is tied up, hands over his head, for torture or punishment, nothing speaks to his vulnerability like being shirtless, leaving his back unprotected and fully exposed to the LASH.

Second, being whipped with a large metal buckle, rather than the leather part of the belt, seems uncivilized and downright brutal! But even more important, it deprives the viewer of the excitement of hearing the sound of unforgiving leather as it strikes bare flesh and instantly followed by the victim's cries of pain.

Oh yes. By the way, the movie was "Horizons West" issued in 1952.

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