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Subject: Re: for older baby boomers: phy ed coaches??? Author: David W [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:29:04 10/06/16 Thu In reply to: Coolidge 's message, "for older baby boomers: phy ed coaches???" on 10:15:45 08/06/14 Wed I'm later baby boomer but paddling by PE coaches in the 70s and early 80s was still common when I was in junior high and high school. Paddling for boys in schools was also common as well as getting spanked at home. I was spanked at home in my teens until 17 and the same for my brothers. So getting paddled in PE class was not a surprise. I never thought that the coaches were sadistic in their punishment of us. They were just no-nonsense men and almost all of them were military veterans. Korea, Vietnam, definitely and maybe even WWII for the older coaches. And they were not alone in thinking that corporal punishment was a good thing and ought to be used often. My parents thought that way too. I grew up on or near military bases and maintaining order was a big deal with our parents, schools, and just about everybody else. I knew no boys who didn't get their butts spanked at home. I got paddled in school a good amount, mostly by teachers or principals, but in gym class, coaches were quick to act against any kid who was screwing around, disobeying or not following directions or class rules. Our coaches didn't use detention, even though that was an option. They just paddled us on the spot or in the locker room. Others here have talked about bare butt paddlings and that happened in two ways. One, if we were screwing around in the showers or already undressed and, two, if the coach felt that we needed a gym shorts down paddling to set an example. It was more common for us to get paddled in our gym shorts than bare but I got it bare more a few times. As anyone from that time knows, getting paddled in gym shorts is not any different than getting paddled in underwear only. Jockstraps were mandatory so getting swats with or without gym shorts was about the same result. Nudity or partial nudity was not considered a problem for our coaches, schools or parents. Getting paddled bare butt while wearing a jockstrap was not considered nudity at all. It also wouldn't have occurred to me to complain about getting a paddling, bare or otherwise, fair or not, as I was likely to get a paddling or strapping at home for getting in trouble at school. I got my first PE paddling on the second day of class in junior high after switching schools and not following the PE uniform rules as the coach had told the class the day before (I wasn't wearing the required jock). Got it bare butt in the locker room. I also got caught, along with others, in what the coach called horseplay in the showers, which was a regular event that the coaches watched out for. Horseplay was usually pushing, shoving, tossing soap at someone or whatever some coach thought was dangerous or against his class rules. Our coaches were strict about PE uniforms, orderly conduct, and anything that looked like fighting or pranks. The PE coaches were also our team coaches for sports, which I played. Same thing. Paddling for uniforms, screwing around, and not listening. Got bent over and paddled on the football field a few times for missing a play or whatever the coach thought that I was not doing right. That was a standard way of getting and keeping our attention. That was not even considered disciplinary. It was just coaching and a way of keeping us focused. Sure enough, I was back on the field with a scorched butt but focused after a couple of hard paddle swats. Didn't have to drop our football pants for swats out on the field, but those football pants were about the same as wearing gym shorts only. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: for older baby boomers: phy ed coaches??? Author: Stan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:15:18 10/19/16 Wed I was a very early baby boomer. I was in high school in the early 1960s. I don't recall ever witnessing any corporal punishment being administered in junior high school. However, as I reported in an earlier post, things were quite different in high school. It seemed to depend on which gym teacher you had. One of my gym teachers, the oldest coach there, I never saw him administer any corporal punishment. Some other gym teachers may have used paddling only sparingly, if at all. I only recall them, now and then, ordering a student to run a few extra laps around the track as a disciplinary measure. However, one gym teacher I had, probably the youngest coach, resorted to the use of the paddle at virtually every class session, as I reported in my first post dealing with this topic. No one graduated from his class with his ass unscathed. No student, no matter how well-behaved he was, could escape the sharp sting of the coach's paddle. The coach could always find some excuse, no matter how flimsy, for disciplining someone. From my one "close encounter " with his paddle, I can testify that gym shorts provided very little protection from the sting of the coach's paddle. I noticed your post reported a similar experience. I think we were all indoctrinated at the time to accept public paddlings as a normal part of the educational process in gym classes. I like the way you put it: to keep the student "focused". In my school, at least, paddling was never done in other classes, possibly because there were girls present in those classes. Any misbehaving boys in those classes would be sent to the Boys Vice-Principal's Office, and one could only guess what punishments were administered behind the closed door of his office. I doubt any student ever registered an "official complaint" about the gym paddlings at that time. And, indeed, I honestly believe that, in some cases, there may have been a positive benefit to subjecting a student to a paddling in front of his classmates. What better way to tame the over-inflated ego of a teenage boy than by subjecting him to the humiliation of a public paddling. And I'm sure that those teachers who used paddlings sparingly honestly believed it was a legitimate educational tool. Considering I'm a gay male with an interest in S&M, I still get "horny" when I recall those distant memories of corporal punishment in high school. However, in spite of that, I have no doubt that the gym teacher who used his paddle without restraint (no pun originally intended), was a homosexual pedophile and a sadist. When I went to my 20-year high school reunion, I was reminiscing with one of my former classmates (who was presumably straight). He had the same sadistic coach for his classes in gymnastics, and he still recalled the painful paddlings he had received from the coach. And I'm sure he was a well-behaved student. Thinking about that conversation now, I am surprised that he still thought of those paddlings as a normal male rite-of-passage. I guess if one is straight, it is difficult to think of it in any other way. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: for older baby boomers: phy ed coaches??? Author: David W. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:21:47 10/21/16 Fri I agree. One thing that our coaches had going for them that gave them a lot of discretion with corporal punishment was that they were still authority figures and parents, especially dads, wouldn't have questioned their authority or decisions off the playing field. Almost all dads still spanked when I was a kid and wouldn't have objected to a coach spanking their kids at all. In fact, there was an expectation that coaches should discipline boys promptly and as often as needed. There was no idea that discipline in the way of several hard swats with a paddle was a bad thing to do. That normal male rite-of-passage idea that you mentioned was very true. Getting our butts paddled was masculine in those years and was no different than the hazing than older kids did to younger kids in junior high and high school. It also helped that we looked up to our coaches and that they were not usually mean or bad people. There were a few that were scarier than others, but they could be encouraging to us and help us out too. Even a coach that paddled me one day might be a great coach to me the next day. Any resentment that I had about being paddled didn't last. I think that some coaches were smart enough to know that giving encouragement later to a kid that they had disciplined was better coaching. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]