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Subject: Where to draw the line?

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Date Posted: 12:23:36 12/15/08 Mon

Where is the line drawn between director and coach? How much can a director offer to a contestant before the director is coaching the contestant? Is this common for directors to "help" contestants this way?

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[> Subject: Nice idea for this board but hard to see AND not enough space for responses...click in for answer

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Date Posted: 13:33:03 12/15/08 Mon

Anyway, to answer your question....I give advice for anyone free. I give the same opportunity for everyone to ask me questions, okay their wardrobe, and answer questions about hair, makeup, interview. My formers offer the same services. You would be surprise that maybe one or two contestants take up the offers for help. It may seem like the one or two are being coached but you are wrong, they are the only two that are smart enough to use all resources available to them.

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[> Subject: No director should ever coach a contestant in their pageant. Ethically wrong
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:22:07 12/15/08 Mon >Where is the line drawn between director and coach? >How much can a director offer to a contestant before >the director is coaching the contestant? Is this >common for directors to "help" contestants this way? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: My only experience is seeing this done in GA Intl system and it was unfair, biased and completely unethical. Do not see how it can ethically work.
Author: pageant watcher [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:38:03 12/17/08 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: was that the one where the girl who won the Mrs. division, was also the director for the Miss/Teen divisions? And the pageant was held the same night?
Author: That was weird ... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:25:05 12/17/08 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Ga Intl Teen and Miss has a website. Go to voy.com/218744/ and I am sure you can get answers to anything you post.
Author: pageant watcher [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:49:12 12/17/08 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ohhhh ... this is nothing but a NP bash board! Yikes!
Author: GA [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:05:18 12/19/08 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Absolutely wrong, however, we do not erase comments that are negative about a director. We feel that everyone has the right to post their thoughts good and bad.
Author: In Ga [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:15:57 01/06/09 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You are more than welcome to post something nice about the Ga director on the board. As long as it is not NP posting about herself and as long as it does not get nasty. We welcome kind comments about the Ga director, the only problem is that so far no one has had any.
Author: Ga mod [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:22:17 01/06/09 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: She was given the responsibility for the program book that year and royally screwed it up!

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Date Posted: 20:16:26 01/13/09 Tue

I was appalled at how bad the program book looked. LOTS of mispellings, delegates complained that sponsor ads were not included, and one reigning queen was shutted to the *back* of the program book (AND her name was spelled wrong!!) She disavowed any repsonsibility for how the program book turned out, citing job and family responsibilities, but when you start on the book only two weeks before the pageant, disaster results!I am more appalled she moved to Alabama and didn't even tell Barb. She was also director for the pageant production and didn't even tell one queen about the time she had to be ready to take her final walk-she found out by reading the script! There's even more...

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[> Subject: I think it is fine for a director to help as long as it is done in a workshop setting. that way whoever wants to attend can.
Author: that is fair [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:46:03 12/15/08 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: What about if pageant "staff" is coaching contestants and several at one time. This is happening in some states.
Author: Not sure if this is fair?? [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:46:14 12/15/08 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: This is sad but it happens a lot from where I am from. They may have "favorites" that they want to see do well so they try to help.

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Date Posted: 07:09:13 12/16/08 Tue

What makes me so mad at directors who allow their staff to do this is that it makes the contestants think the only way to place or win is to put your head so far up the directors butt that if they make a quick turn it will break the contestants neck.

However if the "staff" is willing to help any and every contestant that comes to them with help than at least they are helping anyone who wants the help.

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[> [> Subject: So long as all contestants are offered the same opportunities, I think directors and/or staff can -- and should -- help.
Author: What's bad is when they start playing favorites. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:59:23 12/16/08 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Impossible not to have favorites, that is why it should never be done!
Author: not a fan of coaches and directors being one and the same [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:46:53 01/08/09 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Part of participating in a pageant is "self improvement". I feel that the director AND staff AND formers owe it to the contestants to offer continued advice and tips.
Author: Part of the experience. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:02:22 12/16/08 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: The girl who won our state appeared to be being coached for interview by two of the director's staff in the dressing room. It looked as though they were trying to be somewhat discreet, but I was uncomfortable with the situation. I felt she deserved to win, but it seemed unethical that the director's staff was involved in her coaching. Whether or not they should have been helping her this way, they could have avoided the appearance of impropriety, at least, by being more discreet about it.

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Date Posted: 18:34:16 12/30/08 Tue

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[> Subject: I am a director and this doesn't seem fair. However I have ssen this happen before. When I competed the old director really wanted me to win so some of her staff did my hair and makeup (I was new to pageants) I didn't win but the other girls where hurt by the actions of the staff. That is one sure way to make sure that you will not get any girls to return to your pageant!
Author: Former Miss turn director [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:37:58 12/31/08 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]