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Subject: This is disturbing on so many levels, and yet...

Candice (fascinated/concerned)
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Date Posted: 16:33:35 04/08/12 Sun

To whomever cares to read this,

I stumbled across this forum and this movement by accident. My interest is more in finding a woman who is not put off by being in a relationship with a trans woman or at least being friends. Then, I found this place. Wow.

I know on the main site it claims this is fantasy, and yet a few of the ladies (you never know who or what gender they really are) claim they are transitioning their sons into daughters, mostly against their will it seems.

One lady in the thread just below claimed that her group is advising a lady who is transitioning a 12 year old boy into a girl in Germany. I'm not sure, but this may be the case in court over there where that poor child could end up institutionalize to keep her from her mother.

The concern I have is from the poster who claims her group is advising the mother on how to continue transition. If this is a forced feminization, or even if that's how it stated and the child "accepts" it now, legally that lady could be in for a world of trouble. Not sure how the laws are over there, but there has to be something. One can't blame the father for being upset if this transition started that way,.but committing that child to an institution is also messed up.

I don't see female as the better or superior gender, but I do see it as the gender I was meant to be. I've only just come to accept that in the last five years, but I've known something was different about me for a long time. It's part of the reason I've never been in a romantic and loving relationship my whole life.

The whole idea that this world is messed up because of men is wrong. There is something bigger going on than that, and some of you know that. However, this is not the place for that. There are men who are causing problems, but there are women with power doing the same thing, and the world suffers from all of it.

The fact that this has been a male centric world is pretty obvious, and the women's movement was and is needed. Things have changed and are changing. The best relationships, or at least in my opinion, are not where the man rules over the woman or vise versa, but where they rule together and share decisions. It's where he doesn't have do certain things merely because he's a man or she can't because she's a woman.

The female led relationship is not a bad thing either if that's what they both want. Women are more assertive these days, and that's a good thing. Women bring a lot to the table. They are the lucky ones who can bear children and nurture them, and that makes them stronger, not weaker. That alone doesn't define women anymore, and that's a good thing too.

That said, I feel there is a change coming on in this world. Men are being feminized. You see whole rants about that from some churches and political groups. What is happening? Is there something in the food? The water? The plastic? There are studies on this. The one thing we need to remember is men have to impregnate women to grow the human race. If this gets out of hand, what will happen? Or do people want to see us wiped out? Some do, but that too is for another forum.

There are more men getting into the simple act of cross dressing. While we have women here who think that's great, these men are forced to do it behind the wife's back so she won't end up leaving him in disgust. This does happen. There are more men going out dressed and having "fun" with other men and sometimes women. There are more men transitioning into females. There is a lot of hate towards these people still, and I hear some of it first hand when I'm out and about.

Now, not all of these men are gay. In fact, many of them like women, but they like feeling feminine when they are with her. The thing is, I don't see a lot of women out there who want anything to do with a man like that. It's not a turn on. It's not even something they want to be around. So, the women on this forum could have their pick of any of those men, not that they'd want to. But, they could.

Which brings me back to the children. I don't know why a mother would do this to her son when he hasn't expressed an interest in being a girl. Even if he says something, is it just a thought out loud or does he mean it? Gender identity is a serious thing. It's not a joke. There may be mental issues later down the line. Even those who do transition because they want to still deal with the urge to kill themselves.

So, why force a boy to be a girl? To get them to behave? Really? Why not spank them? Put them in restrictions? Take away privileges? Send them to their room and remove any TV, computer or radios? Force feminizing them? Wow, just wow. To those doing that, and I don't doubt a few posters are really doing that, you'd better beware. It could come back to haunt you legally or with the loss of that loved one some day.

But, here's something more disturbing to me. Had my mother done this to me, I would have submitted. I have no doubt about this. I'd be lying if I said I'd fight it. Oh, I might protest at first, but if she didn't do it in a mean way, she'd have another daughter on her hands very quickly.

I say this because I recall vividly at 11, when my mom was no longer in my life, fantasizing about being force feminized. I kid you not. I wanted to be turned into a girl. At 11? That's messed up. I thought there was something seriously wrong with me, and maybe there was. I was ashamed of these thoughts, and it was a long road for me to admit who I really am. I'd have been better off to admit it then.

But, I still have concerns about doing this to any boy just as a punishment. The effects this would have on that child's psyche and the effects it could have on the world if this really caughgt on could be huge.

I have thought, however, that the world is on the verg of a big change with respect to gender identity and how the genders view each other. Maybe that's why there seems to be more crossdressing and transitioning going on in the world. OF maybe it just seems that way because the subject is out there and more in people's faces than ever. I don't know.

Anyway, this is not a knock on this site, though it may seem like it to some. I do urge the people behind the Demale movement to be very careful what they do. I think they may very well understand the trouble they could get into if the powers that be came after them. They should also be careful with those pictures and what not of these children. They are treading a fine line with that.

It could also be that I've walked into a big role playing forum and took b.s. as the truth. We all know how the internet is. I'm not sure I feel comfortable hanging around here because of that "fine line" thing I mentioned, but I'll keep an eye on this thread if people do want to discuss what I've brought up.

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