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Subject: Hi Damoclese, Author: Don [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07/ 2/02 2:35pm In reply to: Damoclese 's message, "My representation" on 06/30/02 12:50am Hi Damoclese, Long time since we talked. To put in more simple terms to me. Anything in the future that may or may not happen is a belief statement. I can say I have 4 fingers. That is a truth statement and showable as such. To say I will have 4 fingers 5 minutes from now is a belief statement. I must wait 5 minutes for the statement to be true. Point of reference that is nasty but works. 9-11. Anything that is a prediction is a belief statement. It may happen it may not happen. Any thing in the past is also a belief statement. Can I bring the past back to the present and show it? NO. No one can. It is just the way life is. Evidence does not constitute fact. For as Wade so grandly put it in defense of the bible is that any and all sets of data can have more than one explanation. Some are just more believable than others. Emphasis on the word belief. Some conclusions are more rational than others, but there still remain other possibilities no mater how crazy and ridiculous. Hence God may exist, god may not exist. No you do not have to take sides. You are not forced to make a choice. To make such a choice is to proclaim a final conciliation from a set of data. You can’t do that as other possibilities do exist. Math implicates different dimensions so in what one will god exist? I don’t know, we will have to wait and see. People that proclaim a god are doing nothing but proclaiming a final conclusion. They are just as off the mark. They have nothing but beliefs to go by but as usual they refuse to recognize other possibilities, so they shut down the brain in that regard. They are self blinded for they refuse to consider the alternative of NO god. This is the problem with theist. They constantly confuse believing with knowing. They are quick to say they KNOW when all they do is believe. I believe the chair will not move when I go to sit in it. Knowing that the chair did not move is sitting in it. That is the difference. I believe the sun will raise tomorrow is a truth statement. I know the sun will raise tomorrow is false. We have to wait for the sun to raise to make it a truth statement. One of these day in billions of years the sun will not raise, or a comet will do a total job on the earth. Knowledge can be shown. Beliefs can not be shown, beliefs are opinions, knowledge is not an opinion. All the details about Unicorns will never prove a Unicorn. Until you show a unicorn all you have is myth. Until you show a god all you have is myth. Until you show James Bond all you have is a movie or myth. The statement “water is on this earth” is a true statement but limited. When the earth stops to exist then the statement is void. Will the earth stop to exist--yes at some time. No one can show an absolute truth. An other myth put to bed. An absolute truth must be true in all situations. Find one exception and the absolute truth becomes “conditional” truth. Some say math is absolute truth but math is a personal mental concept and not shown to be true after you die. Will math work in all dimensions? We don’t know all the dimensions so how can we say. It is said that god will not change -- Show one change and that statement become false. The bible god has changed, we are no longer killing animals as a sacrifice to such a god...just give your money. What pisses me off Damoclese is this concept is so simple that any 8 year old can learn it and it. It is nothing new..thousands of years old. So how come I did not? This is not a big mystery, not high tech. not advanced science. Simple words and simple ideas. Theist know this to be true but they fight with themselves so they make silly statements that just don’t hold up because their foundation is fictitious. If you say that a god belief makes you a better person then I think you should be able to show that. 1) you are a better person 2) how does a god belief do that. Answer to 1) By comparing your self to others or by comparing self to your self and marking your progress. Both are subjective but the first is to say --look at all the sinners that I am not--criticizing others as bad. Look how back ward they are and I am not. The other is to be self critical and self analytical. When you feel that you are filled with an unlimited perfect god and all your sins are meaningless because you are forgiven then there is nothing to analyze or to be self critical about. Self proclaimed blindness at best. Answer to 2) You will have to show that this god beliefs works for all in the same way. You can’t do that for there are many god beliefs, many cultures and many experiences so there is not any ONE god belief that is right. Again one can only speak from a subjective point of view regarding god and that is limiting because all other beliefs are denied as evil or non-effectual. A person becomes silly as they rush to defend a non-defendable position. And pressed to the limits insanity sets in. Nice talking to you Damoclese. I enjoy your writings and ideas. Don [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Thanks Don Damoclese 07/ 4/02 10:18pm