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Biff
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/02 11:10pm
In reply to:
Don
's message, "perfect.... is still in aplication..." on 07/ 3/02 5:35am
>By a perfect circle I mean one with an absolutely
>equal radius at each (potentially infinite)
>degree of measurement.
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>This exist in your imagination only.
In so much as it has never been shown to have occured, yes. But again, I was simply using the perfect circle as an example of something that an omnipotent God could create, though it may be humanly impossible.
It is OK. You can
>never show that. Or put it this way.
>The last I heard someone ran pie out to a couple of
>million places befor the computer
>blew up or quit. So good luck to you. If you find the
>end of pie, you will be a millionair
>and your name recorded for ever in human history.
>Untill then it is a dream at best. Go for
>it.
I would rather spend my time pursuing something more attainable and constructive. I don't think we need to know the value of pi beyond a few decimal places to make use of it. Once more, Don, I was simply using the value of pi as an example of something an omniscient God would know.
>You do not mean “perfect” do you? Or what you are
>talking about is “intrinsic beauty”.
Yes, I do mean perfect, again as an example....
>Perfect is an application for a use of some kind.
>Beauty has NO use except for enjoyment
>as in “art” and these ideas are subjective. The human
>mind sees pictures of galaxies and
>we say --oh that beautiful ( and it is) but is it
>perfect? See my point? Again I show you a
>rock, is it a beautiful rock or is it a perfect rock?
>So we find out what it is made of, does
>it become more perfect or more beautiful? It becomes
>more beautiful. It will not become
>perfect until it has use. Perfect beauty for you? OK
>but we are back to art. Now if the rock
>is very large and I give it to you and it is GOLD is
>it more perfect? Yes because now you
>see a use for it. Can something be beautiful and be
>perfect at the same time YES. It has a
>use and it is beautiful to look at.
I agree, beauty is subjective, and that's why I did not get into the subject. I clearly defined what I meant by a perfect circle and why I used it. I had no intention of discussing rocks or beauty.
not being hateful here
>but god can be beautiful in your
>imagination. This is fine with me. God can be perfect
>for you as a guide to direct your
>life. But I can show where this same “named god” has
>not directed life so well, now
>what? Your perfection is to you and the beauty is to
>you... This is called subjectivity.....
>Subjectivity is not necessarily reality.
"Perfect" is often used in a subjective sense, true. However, the way I described a perfect circle was purely objective. Again, it has nothing to do with beauty.
>I wish you well Biff. Nice talking to you.
I concur. However, I think you've gotten a bit sidetracked over the concept of perfection and taken it into a realm that has little to do with my point. It may seem impossible to us, or as you said, may be a figment of our imaginations to create a perfect circle or square, or determine the exact value of pi. However, IMHO they are examples of things achievable for an omnipotent, omniscient God. I was simply illustrating the difference between us and him, if you like.
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