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Subject: A bunch of philosophical hoo ha Author: Damoclese [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 06/ 9/05 7:31pm In reply to: Wade A. Tisthammer 's message, "Atemporal timelessness is on mine." on 06/ 9/05 3:16pm > >Not plausible, for a number of reasons. One is that >outside of time there is no change (only being and >non-being) Exactly how do you know what dimensions exist outside of time? How do you know that change doesn't happen when time isn't involved? > >We do have good empirical evidence to think >that the known physical universe began to exist some >10 to 20 billion years ago, and we have good >philosophical reason for thinking that past is finite. No, you really don't have a good philosophical reason for thinking that because as many outstanding paradoxes adequately demonstrate, when it comes to infinity logic has some serious breaks. > Given ex nihilo nihil fit, some atemporally >timeless agency had to create the universe. It's the >only alternative to an infinite past. Or there could be other dimensions that aren't time but that act like time. Let's not kid ourselves by boxing our thinking into a tight little pre-packaged corner. > >Except that an infinite past is metaphysically >impossible, so we have to discard that possibility. Since when does metaphysics determine reality? Maybe we should throw out metaphysics instead. >Not quite, since we still have the same basic problem >of an infinite past (e.g. the universe began and ended >infinite number of times, going through an infinite >number of iterations, thus traversing an infinite >number of years etc.) not to mention the problems that >known physics suggests.... If this is true, the mathematics suggests that you never travel any distance since you have to cover an infinity of fractional distances. I guess that means that you therefore don't move. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date By all means, justify your position. Wade A. Tisthammer 06/10/05 12:26pm How obfuscating and declarifying won the west -- Damoclese, 06/10/05 8:15pm By all means, justify your position (please). -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 06/10/05 9:09pm Lifestyles of the rich and semantics -- Damoclese, 06/11/05 10:54am Lifestyles of Count Int -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 06/11/05 9:05pm