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Subject: Ingoring the substance


Author:
Wade A. Tisthammer
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Date Posted: 09/13/04 12:17am
In reply to: Damoclese 's message, "...of little substance" on 08/15/04 12:01pm

>>No I don't, especially given the insufficient evidence
>>for human evolution.
>
>Yes you do, since it's an established fact which only
>creationists seem to reject because it disagrees with
>their doctrines.

If resting a theory on tenuous and subjective opinions is an "established fact," then yes I deny that which is "beyond question." The dismal track record I pointed out already, and we're discussing that on another thread. To say that the fossil evidence are beyond question is both highly dubious and inappropriately arrogant given the evidence to the contrary. But again, we're discussing this issue on another thread.


>>Nonetheless, we have highly sophisticated mathematics
>>imprinted in the universe that did not have to exist.
>
>No, it didn't have to exist, but it does. The question
>is why.

Precisely. Theism offers explanatory power here.


>>Out of all possible worlds, we have one of intricate
>>mathematical order.
>
>You speak as though all other possible worlds are not
>of intricate mathematical order. How do you know that?

I can easily envision possible ones that aren't. A world being that of chaos, with no consistent mathematical order of any kind. Picture a hard drive with thoroughly randomized data. No functioning program. But if a program was found with a highly sophisticated operational mathematical matrix patterns...

I didn't say all other worlds do not have intricate mathematical order, only that it seems awfully interesting that out of all possible ones, this universe is intricately mathematically ordered.. (Again, think of the randomized computer hard drive>)

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Hitting the BottleDamoclese09/13/04 1:23am
One quick commentDuane09/13/04 10:20am


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