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Tuesday, February 27, 10:14:22pmLogin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678910 ]
Subject: Hmm a real leader or a fake leader which one?

Jim Saffen (A long time ago)
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Date Posted: 03/14/07 12:57am
In reply to: R.E.B 's message, "Warn of Warnke" on 08/28/06 1:18pm

>I was a young believer influenced by the ministry of
>Mike Warnke. Fortunately for me, my faith was not
>based on his testimony alone, but on my own perosnbal
>spiritual experience. Nevertheless, I was deeply
>dismayed when the truth revealed that Mr. Warnke was a
>fraud. IT seemed obvious that he employed a great deal
>of exageration and hyperbole for effect. And indeed
>much of it seemed far-fetched, but I alway trusted
>there to be some truth at the root. Evidentally, not
>I never did read the Satan Seller or felt compelled to
>delv into all that dark detial. But I appreciated the
>the positive message that he had. Perhaps that was
>his cover; that so many in his audience were NOT
>interested in chasing down the details of his past
>that no one apparently verified that any of it was
>really true for many years.
>As for believers accepting him again. As a fellow
>believer who has repented, we should try to accept his
>apology (assuming that he has given one ??) but look
>for evidence of his sincerity. But him as a leader?
>Come-on!! The standards are very different for
>leadership roles. Read your Bible. If we are under
>any obligation Biblically, it is to NOT allow him into
>the pulpit and to warn others of Warnke.
>>If Warnke truly wants a second chance, he would come
>>clean and admit the complete fabrication that was his
>>Satanic testimony, as well as defrauding countless
>>fans who thought they were contributing to his
>>"ministry", only to have that $$$ squandered for his
>>personal use...even Jim Bakker, whose misdeeds were
>>far greater than Warnke's, fully admitted his past
>>misdeeds, going so far as to call his tell-all book
>>from a few years back "I Was Wrong".
>>Has Warnke truly acknowledged all his past misdeeds?
>>No, he just continues to play the part of a martyr,
>>battered and broken from alleged attacks by fellow
>>Christians...instead of coming clean like Bakker, his
>>2002 book "Friendly Fire" sees Warnke trying to link
>>himself w/genuine victims of Christian persecution. Is
>>it any wonder why he hasn't come close to achieving
>>his former vogue since the Cornerstone expose was
>>No matter what good he's done, the end doesn't justify
>>the means (Prov). ***Interesting but wrong reasoning..You are assuming that the past equals a whole life. You as a Christian aren't offering the forgiveness of Jesus. And if the change in Mike Warnke is time tested and clear you are really off base. As far as a leader goes..Mike was a leader.. a big one. So if mistakes were made that are now corrected.. He is NOW the REAL DEAL. That was the point.. A worldly wise forgiven real deal. Instead of another insolated and isolated CONDESCENDING SUPER PASTOR who has the finesse of white socks with a dark blue suit. I think the forgiveness and transformation of God is better criteria for a leader ALONG WITH ANSWERED PRAYER than "wordy-ology".. Here is the litmus test: ask your 'LEADER' THIS ONE QUESTION "what have your prayed for this last year and what happenned?" If there is no specific outcome this guy is a smooth lie. If your leader can point to tons of things happenning that is the real deal. Any one can be high and mighty and use the bible as a "weapon".. It takes a real relationship with God to be a great leader. It takes a human being with exposed frailty before God so that God can: "use the weak things of the world to shame the WISE" Wise Christians piss me off, Christians with answered prayer get my vote. The Holy Trinity is Father Son and Holy Spirit. When is the last time the Holy Spirit outside of the "Get Down Temple" was mentioned with your Leader? ... I am listening. Thats what i thought. I think reality is crashing alot of these stupid Christians world right now. They elected Bush only to find his drunky loosy goosy daughters, gay daughter of the vice president with a false war-- you discriminate against those that don't follow your moral laws.. And what you have is not answered prayer but a MIRROR you are forced to look at daily. The only answered prayer here is that you are forced to look at the mirror.

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