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Date Posted: 11/ 8/03 9:21pm
In reply to:
Vera Carp
's message, "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT" on 01/29/03 11:16pm
Unfortunately, my cousin is circulating this same article. We ended having a pretty major debate over it. Of course, she ultimately just expressed that I was unwilling to hear opposing views. And of course she could not back up these "ideas." Pretty much to expected.
The text in quotes is their view--this includes my cousins comments. Reality is in plain unquoted text.
"I happen to AGREE 100%...May the LORD Bless those whom stand by HIM and continue to choose America the Blessed Land of choice."
America the Blessed Land of choice? Gimme a break!
Is this meant to imply that this God's chosen land and those who rightfully belong here have some special place in the kingdom of God?
"Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice ???????? Think about it..."
I'm pretty sure this country was built on people coming from other countries and forcing changes on the current inhabitants of the time.
"All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday ?? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that."
"This says it all!"
That winter break happens to occur about the same time as several other religious holidays (Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, for example). Granted, most of us celebrate Christmas. Saying "Merry Christmas" should be perfectly acceptable, so long as you don't have a fit when some says "Happy Hanakkah" to you--which is what most so-called Christians I know would be apt to do. I think the key is not to restrict anyone's freedom of expression--until those expressions begin to oppress the freedom of others to express opposing views.
"After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!"
Agreed. That is a case of public safety--not personal freedom.
"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
I believe the bigger concern is not in offending others, so much as the fact the many christians deemed the Koran a book of evil. Read the Holy Bible, there is just as much anger and hate in the old testament as in any other religious scripture. Yeah, the politically correct crowd is just as misguided the "compassionate conservative." But, I think there was more fuss over the fact that after 911 the government tried to tear down much personal privacy in the name of national security. And still, the Homeland Security Department is practically non-existent--except for those color charts.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom."
"We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!"
I was with you up until the part of us having "Our own culture, etc." Consider that we got our culture by tearing down the one that already existed here. And we did it through violence and treachery. We destroyed an entire nation to build one which destroys itself more and more every day. Of course we want to maintain our own culture--that is human nature. I feel the same way about wanting immigrants to be the ones who adapt. But, my question is this, since we got where we are by forcing others to adapt, and there is a good chance those here before us did the same thing, who is to say that we are ultimately the "right" ones? Based on the tone of your article, I would think you believe God has granted us some sort of authority as Americans.
""In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
--George Washington
Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
--Thomas Jefferson
God grant that not only the love of liberty but a thorough knowledge of the rights of man may pervade all the nations of the earth, so that a philosopher may set his foot anywhere on its surface and say: "This is my country."
--Benjamin Franklin
If you are one to force your religious views on anyone who wants to make their home here, then I suggest YOU find another part of the world in which to live. I suspect one without freedom of religion should suit you just fine.
"If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE."
Seems you are whining that others would like to be allowed to think for themselves. I'm absolutely certain that this country--this earth--would be a much better place without fascists such as you. You have proven in your little rant that you are about as anti-American as is humanly possible. Using the the First Amendment to claim that your beliefs are superior than those who oppose you? Claiming that in a system with ideal intentions, yet imperfect implementation, the "blessed few" can determine the rights of others.
"If you agree -- pass this along; if you don't agree -- delete it!"
"I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please"
"No God - No Peace. Know God - Know Peace.""
How dare you make any claim to knowing God. I am positive that if you had been alive in the time of Christ, you would have eagerly hammered the first nail. He did teach everything you seem to be opposed to. You are nowhere near peace. You promote separatism and are merely a self-righteous, propagandist.
Of course, I'm sure I have wasted my time with this reply. You are obviously incapable of reason.
--That's about it. I doubt my cousin will speak to me again. But, that is probably a good thing.
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