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Date Posted: 09/19/15 10:36:06pm Sat
Author: Gate Raider
Subject: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships?

Stony Brook handles UNH with ease. How does that make Colgate look? All you posters who look down your nose at playing teams like Albany, Wagner and God forbid a team like Bryant need a reality check. You long for the days of playing Navy, Syracuse, Army and don't recognize the change in the football landscape. With three years of scholarships in the book, Colgate has not improved unless there are some stars sitting on the bench. If so, why aren't they playing? Colgate needs better coaching and better recruiting or in another 4 years all those games against FBS teams will be going to Albany, Stony Brook and Wagner.

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[> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- out of the 'gate, 09/19/15 10:48:14pm Sat

>Stony Brook handles UNH with ease. How does that make
>Colgate look? All you posters who look down your nose
>at playing teams like Albany, Wagner and God forbid a
>team like Bryant need a reality check. You long for
>the days of playing Navy, Syracuse, Army and don't
>recognize the change in the football landscape. With
>three years of scholarships in the book, Colgate has
>not improved unless there are some stars sitting on
>the bench. If so, why aren't they playing? Colgate
>needs better coaching and better recruiting or in
>another 4 years all those games against FBS teams will
>be going to Albany, Stony Brook and Wagner.
Good point and while I think the coaching is lacking, Hunt didn't miss the field goals, Hunt didn't miss the passes, Hunt didn't make the penalties, but there is something wrong that Hunt needs to fix.

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[> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- Gate Raider, 09/19/15 11:33:47pm Sat

Wilkens looks better this year even though there aren't big holes being opened for him. Glad to see the platoon system for RB's may have ended. If there is a better passer on the sidelines, he deserves a chance on the field. This game should have been in the bag at the half. Run on 1st down, run on 2nd down and its 3rd and 10 and the defense knows the pass is coming and covers. Predictable plays make it easy for the defense and are killing Colgate. I think passing on 1st down is allowed but, you wouldn't know it watching Colgate. There is no spark, urgency or whatever on the team and it looks like it could be a long season. I hope Colgate is not in for a several year funk on the gridiron. Very frustrating.

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[> [> UNH Starting QB was out for this game/Scheduling -- The Future, 09/20/15 3:23:34pm Sun

For what's it's worth, seems like he wasn't pulled from the Colgate game.

In terms of scholarships,
FBS schools have 85
Stony Brook and UNH have 63
Colgate has 45

When it comes to scholarships, Colgate is playing catch up.

As for perspective on scheduling, Furman went 3-9 last year and had to shut down their football forum at one point because it got so nasty.

They got blown out by Virginia Tech in their second game. On Saturday, they played their second FBS school this season--UCF and won. The best teams in FCS schedule these games. If you want to be at the top of the FCS and get the top recruits in the FCS, you schedule these games.

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[> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- Gate'93, 09/20/15 5:22:04pm Sun

Stony Brook handled UNH with ease in large part because UNH's starting quarterback spent the day on the sidelines moving around with crutches as a result of a sprained ankle suffered last week and their 2nd team CAA Center went down with torn ACL and MCLs. They went through three quarterbacks in the Stony Brook game so I am guessing they, like most teams at this level, don't have an option B at QB. I don't think that game has squat to do with anything Colgate.

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[> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- 'gate80, 09/20/15 7:34:12pm Sun

>>All you posters who look down your nose
>at playing teams like Albany, Wagner and God forbid a
>team like Bryant need a reality check. You long for
>the days of playing Navy, Syracuse, Army and don't
>recognize the change in the football landscape.<<

I think you are missing the point, Gate Raider. I do not look down my nose at Albany, Wagner, and Stony Brook because they are inferior fb programs. Hell, we have a losing record (and 5-game losing streak) against such teams in the decade we've been playing them, including some embarrassing routs. It's just that if we are going to get our ass kicked in an OOC game I would rather it be against Navy or Syracuse than Bryant or Central Connecticut State. A loss against Bryant hurts recruiting and results in diminished interest in the program from alums and students. Recruits are psyched at a chance to play in the Dome, and games against FBS schools engender interest even when they're bad losses.

There hasn't been a "change in the football landscape", there's been a deterioration of Colgate's program against virtually everybody, for reasons well elaborated on this board but can be summed up by saying the school really doesn't want a strong program. You mention Army, Navy, and Syracuse as schools we can no longer play because of the "change in landscape". In the last couple of years Army has lost to Fordham, Yale, and Stony Brook; Navy to FCS (at the time) Troy and W Kentucky; and Syracuse had narrow victories against Villanova and a lousy Rhode Island team. You seem to be saying as Colgate's program deteriorates we should tailor our schedules to this deterioration. Army, Navy, and Buffalo are too good; probably also Furman and UNH. Let's play Bryant and Monmouth, and when they get too good maybe Robert Morris and St Francis.

Here's another suggestion - as we transition into the scholarship era let's raise our standards, in terms of scheduling and performance. If good academic FCS schools such as William & Mary, Furman, and Richmond can schedule games against powerful SEC and ACC teams, surely we can play Army and Navy.

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[> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- Gate Raider, 09/20/15 9:23:29pm Sun

I am not against playing Navy, Army, Syracuse and similar programs or top FCS schools. What bothers me is starting each year with two or three losses which, I don't think, builds the players' or team's confidence. It's made worse if the first three games are away as fan interest in Colgate football wanes. This year is a good example. We start with three losses and the next home game is 6 weeks away. What the heck kind of schedule is that? Five weeks with no home game. Fans will have forgotten Colgate has a football team by then and it will be November and the weather will have turned. And, can you believe Colgate scheduled the Cornell hockey game on the same day as the Lehigh football game? Colgate needs people in the seats and it is winning teams with home games that put them there. Sparse attendance at games means no one cares and the program is weakened and eventually in jeopardy. I am more than happy to have an Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner for an early season home game

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[> [> Re: Stony Brook 31 - UNH 6, and Colgate Scholarships? -- pigskin, 09/20/15 10:11:33pm Sun

>I am not against playing Navy, Army, Syracuse and
>similar programs or top FCS schools. What bothers me
>is starting each year with two or three losses which,
>I don't think, builds the players' or team's
>confidence. It's made worse if the first three games
>are away as fan interest in Colgate football wanes.
>This year is a good example. We start with three
>losses and the next home game is 6 weeks away. What
>the heck kind of schedule is that? Five weeks with no
>home game. Fans will have forgotten Colgate has a
>football team by then and it will be November and the
>weather will have turned. And, can you believe
>Colgate scheduled the Cornell hockey game on the same
>day as the Lehigh football game? Colgate needs people
>in the seats and it is winning teams with home games
>that put them there. Sparse attendance at games means
>no one cares and the program is weakened and
>eventually in jeopardy. I am more than happy to have
>an Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner for an early season
>home game

We've started the year 0-3 before and had very successful seasons, so don't give up the ship. I agree about the long layoff between home games this year. We definitely need more games in early fall to bring out the fans and take advantage of the weather - which will only go downhill come November. Everyone will be thinking hockey by then anyway.

I have the utmost respect for what the Monmouths and Bryants of the world have achieved football-wise, I just don't like to see their names on our schedule. Army, Navy or Air Force looks better and is a more attractive draw for recruits and alums/fans.

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