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Date Posted: 11/ 1/15 10:33:29pm Sun
Author: jb'74
Subject: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham)
Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud throughout the game as it could have been (a parents' weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is something of a northeastern (and increasingly national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our 50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play selection and execution were dynamic. The D was swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a "deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in the country on any other gridiron that was more spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives, showed that he continues to grow as a force to be reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less than a minute to go in the first half and actually aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points (our ultimate victory factor). That late first half field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for 60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses, and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY. I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark, relishing their productive collective efforts with dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- WE Want Rings, 11/ 1/15 10:57:20pm Sun
>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
Totally agree. Talent is there (great skill in the receiver corps). Holland is a gem, and Wilkens can be a force (but he can't pause to look for a hole, it kills his power drive and he can't dance into a second mode).
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Final Play, 11/ 2/15 12:29:37am Mon
>>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
>Totally agree. Talent is there (great skill in the
>receiver corps). Holland is a gem, and Wilkens can be
>a force (but he can't pause to look for a hole, it
>kills his power drive and he can't dance into a second
>mode).
After the pass interference call put the ball on the one and one-half yard line for a second shot at the two point conversion to set up overtime, I thought a run by Fordham's Edmonds was a guarantee. Any way that Biddle or Dunlap wouldn't have relied on their bread and butter backs in that moment??
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- gatefan, 11/ 2/15 7:10:41am Mon
good recap jb74
there were a couple very questionable decisions:
with 1 second left in the 1st instead of a squib kick to end the 1/2 hunt elected to kickoff deep allowing for either a kick return or a play from scrimmage, the rams got the later thankfully no damage BUT a VERY BAD coaching decision then 0n 4th and long at the FU 25 late in the 4th quarter with a 2 possession lead there were 3 options 1: kick a FG & go up by 3 possessions and game OVER! 2: run the ball and take time off the clock even if you don't get a 1st down...game OVER! 3: throw the ball and don't complete it stopping the clock and extend the game....that's what hunt elected and put a great win in peril!! 3: very poor execution on the onside kick sitting back waiting for the ball to roll 10 yards!!!!, I spoke to a few players who told me they do NOT practice that!!!!
FORTUNETLY a great win but any 1 of those 3 decisions could have ruined a GREAT effort by the boys...that MUST change!!!!!
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- zappa, 11/ 2/15 7:28:15am Mon
>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
Correct me if I'm wrong please, on number two above doesn't the clock stop on a possession change, that is if we ran and gave up the ball ?
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- gatefan, 11/ 2/15 7:54:43am Mon
clock stops to move chains then starts
pointing out poor decisions, I am only a fan the coaches do this for A LIVING!!! they need to make better decisions!!!
again GREAT effort GREAT game plan BUT those decisions can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!!
and BTW: I'm quite happy with life! but thanks for your concern you seemed very thinned skinned and can NOT accept CONSTRUCTIVE criticism!!!!!
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Real Red Raider, 11/ 2/15 8:30:41pm Mon
Zappa... You are correct. gatefan is only a fan but it does not appear a very knowledgeable one. The clock stops on a change of possession and does not start until the ball is snapped again, not when the chains are set.
If you feel the need to point things out, at least know what you are talking about.
>clock stops to move chains then starts
>pointing out poor decisions, I am only a fan the
>coaches do this for A LIVING!!! they need to make
>better decisions!!!
>again GREAT effort GREAT game plan BUT those decisions
>can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!!!
>and BTW: I'm quite happy with life! but thanks for
>your concern you seemed very thinned skinned and can
>NOT accept CONSTRUCTIVE criticism!!!!!
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Zappa, 11/ 2/15 7:41:59am Mon
>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
BTW...If you have a complaint about Saturday's game I might surmise that "you're not happy about anything in your life". You're not going to see a better one for quite awhile.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- gatefan, 11/ 2/15 12:35:39pm Mon
>>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
>
>BTW...If you have a complaint about Saturday's game I
>might surmise that "you're not happy about anything in
>your life". You're not going to see a better one for
>quite awhile.
You are dead WRONG on not squibbing it and giving Fordham a chance to SCORE with ONE second that is football 101 !!!!
on point 4 it was FAR from a PERFECT kick it was a BAD kick the receiving team can touch it at ANY point the KICKING team aka FORDHAM MUST wait for it to go TEN yards before they can touch it and GATE watched it slowly roll the TEN yards!!!
BOTH COACHING miscues COULD HAVE COST THE GAME!!!!
I actually like Hunt but his in game management needs to IMPROVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Gate'83, 11/ 2/15 9:11:52am Mon
>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
Believe Zap is right, clock stops on a change of possession regardless whether it was a run or pass. I might have run anyway since we were doing so quite effectively & even if we didn't make the 1st down we could have helped field position by advancing a few yards. FG would have been over 40 yards with a kicker who hasn't been very successful this year, plus does the opponent get the ball at the spot of the kick? I know that's the rule in the pros, not sure about college. If so, the FG option looks less attractive.
Agree we didn't play the onsides kick aggressively enough. Was able to chat w/ coach after the game, he knows they need to close the games out much better.
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A response to gatefan -- The Future, 11/ 2/15 9:48:50am Mon
gatefan,
I know you aren’t a fan of Hunt’s but it’s pretty amazing how you could cherry pick a few plays to rip his coaching ability and then be so wrong about pretty much all of them.
1. The squib kick to end the half? Colgate’s kick off coverage might have been the best it’s ever been in this game. Fordham started on their own 18, 27, 20, 35, 25, and 25 after kickoffs. Has Colgate’s kick coverage ever been better? (The one where they started at the 35 was the kickoff out of bounds) The coverage was great. Why would you change what was working?
2. Kick a 43 yard field goal and the game is over? Maybe. What are the odds of converting vs. the odds of picking up a 4th and 6? The FG unit has looked a lot better over the past few games but I don’t think they have attempted a FG over 40 this season. The unit is 4-10 on field goals. (I do think they have straightened out a lot of the problems and will be rock solid from here on out!) If Colgate does pick up the first down here, with 3 minutes left, they can really run clock though I'm not sure if it is game over either way (based on what Fordham did in the past 23 seconds). Hunt not trying to kick a field goal longer than the team has attempted when the unit is converting 40% of its field goals? Not sure if this is the Hunt can't coach hill you want to die on, but let’s call this one a wash.
3. Run the ball and take time off of the clock? The clock stops on change of possession. How much more time would a run taken than a pass? Let’s say it’s five seconds. Fordham got the ball with 3:06 after this play. So you want Colgate to run the ball on 4th and 6 so that Fordham would get the ball back with 3:01 left on the clock instead of 3:06? Do you think Colgate had a better chance to convert with a run or a pass here? That’s the coaching decision. Five seconds of clock time with three minutes left in the game is meaningless. Probably not the play you want to call out Hunt on for his lack of coaching ability.
4. Defending the onside middle. That kid made a perfect kick. The onside middle is probably the worst onside kick to do in this situation—when the return team knows it is coming. It is a great surprise kick when the defender drops quickly and there is a hole to put the ball into. The onside middle worked here—which makes it a good coaching decision, but I would have really questioned it if it hadn’t--as much as any play in the game. Also, I’d love to look at the tape but I think there is a pretty good chance Fordham’s entire kick off team was offsides with the way the kicker stutter stepped before kicking the ball. Don’t know if I’m right, but the whole play looked a little wonky. As far as the hands team not practicing against the kick, I have no idea if that is true but it seems pretty unlikely based on how well the KO coverage team and return teams have played this year.
Colgate came out running plays Fordham had never seen. Colgate picked up 44 yards on a play Fordham wasn’t prepared to defense to start the game. That good coaching. The team was sky high all game (maybe the coach had something to do with that), running plays Fordham had never seen (maybe the coach had something to so with that,) and beating the #11 team in the country (maybe the coach had something to do with that). You can rip them when they blow it, but there was plenty to like about the coaching effort and acumen on Saturday. And if nothing else, if you are going to rip them, rip them for the right stuff.
Go 'gate!
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Re: A response to gatefan -- Maven, 11/ 2/15 10:24:47am Mon
>gatefan,
>I know you aren’t a fan of Hunt’s but it’s pretty
>amazing how you could cherry pick a few plays to rip
>his coaching ability and then be so wrong about pretty
>much all of them.
>
>1. The squib kick to end the half? Colgate’s kick off
>coverage might have been the best it’s ever been in
>this game. Fordham started on their own 18, 27, 20,
>35, 25, and 25 after kickoffs. Has Colgate’s kick
>coverage ever been better? (The one where they started
>at the 35 was the kickoff out of bounds) The coverage
>was great. Why would you change what was working?
>
>2. Kick a 43 yard field goal and the game is over?
>Maybe. What are the odds of converting vs. the odds of
>picking up a 4th and 6? The FG unit has looked a lot
>better over the past few games but I don’t think they
>have attempted a FG over 40 this season. The unit is
>4-10 on field goals. (I do think they have
>straightened out a lot of the problems and will be
>rock solid from here on out!) If Colgate does pick up
>the first down here, with 3 minutes left, they can
>really run clock though I'm not sure if it is game
>over either way (based on what Fordham did in the past
>23 seconds). Hunt not trying to kick a field goal
>longer than the team has attempted when the unit is
>converting 40% of its field goals? Not sure if this is
>the Hunt can't coach hill you want to die on, but
>let’s call this one a wash.
>
>3. Run the ball and take time off of the clock? The
>clock stops on change of possession. How much more
>time would a run taken than a pass? Let’s say it’s
>five seconds. Fordham got the ball with 3:06 after
>this play. So you want Colgate to run the ball on 4th
>and 6 so that Fordham would get the ball back with
>3:01 left on the clock instead of 3:06? Do you think
>Colgate had a better chance to convert with a run or a
>pass here? That’s the coaching decision. Five seconds
>of clock time with three minutes left in the game is
>meaningless. Probably not the play you want to call
>out Hunt on for his lack of coaching ability.
>
>4. Defending the onside middle. That kid made a
>perfect kick. The onside middle is probably the worst
>onside kick to do in this situation—when the return
>team knows it is coming. It is a great surprise kick
>when the defender drops quickly and there is a hole to
>put the ball into. The onside middle worked here—which
>makes it a good coaching decision, but I would have
>really questioned it if it hadn’t--as much as any play
>in the game. Also, I’d love to look at the tape but I
>think there is a pretty good chance Fordham’s entire
>kick off team was offsides with the way the kicker
>stutter stepped before kicking the ball. Don’t know if
>I’m right, but the whole play looked a little wonky.
>As far as the hands team not practicing against the
>kick, I have no idea if that is true but it seems
>pretty unlikely based on how well the KO coverage team
>and return teams have played this year.
>
>
>Colgate came out running plays Fordham had never seen.
>Colgate picked up 44 yards on a play Fordham wasn’t
>prepared to defense to start the game. That good
>coaching. The team was sky high all game (maybe the
>coach had something to do with that), running plays
>Fordham had never seen (maybe the coach had something
>to so with that,) and beating the #11 team in the
>country (maybe the coach had something to do with
>that). You can rip them when they blow it, but there
>was plenty to like about the coaching effort and
>acumen on Saturday. And if nothing else, if you are
>going to rip them, rip them for the right stuff.
>
>Go 'gate!
Great post Future. Gate fan is the champ of nitpicking AND he is way off base. My only comment on the onside kick is our guys should have charged the ball.
I am still on a high about how all facets of Gate football worked! Keep up that aggressive stance.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- the last indian, 11/ 2/15 9:41:19am Mon
By definition we are all Monday morning Quarterbacks. But one can't urge the coaches to be aggressive and at the same time criticize the pass play on the FU 25 late in the game. I personally would have run twice and used more clock which might make a first down or move into FG range, but I have no problem with the option they chose. But one can easily imagine the outcry on this board if we had run the ball and gone nowhere.
The on-sides kick is another matter. Have to practice that.
Now every game has consequences. I hope they do not overlook Lafayette. They have a lousy record, but are getting a lot of injured players back and will be very motivated to knock us off.
Someone should point out that they do not to open the door for their dreaded rival Lehigh.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Pigskin, 11/ 2/15 11:42:34am Mon
>By definition we are all Monday morning Quarterbacks.
>But one can't urge the coaches to be aggressive and at
>the same time criticize the pass play on the FU 25
>late in the game. I personally would have run twice
>and used more clock which might make a first down or
>move into FG range, but I have no problem with the
>option they chose. But one can easily imagine the
>outcry on this board if we had run the ball and gone
>nowhere.
>The on-sides kick is another matter. Have to practice
>that.
>Now every game has consequences. I hope they do not
>overlook Lafayette. They have a lousy record, but are
>getting a lot of injured players back and will be very
>motivated to knock us off.
>Someone should point out that they do not to open the
>door for their dreaded rival Lehigh.
Echo Indian here. Team cannot have a letdown vs the Pards....or any of our remaining foes. The way to the PL title is there, now we just have to continue the focus that bought us the Fordham win.
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Gate's ENERGY in Ram game a new bar for this team! -- And Kerr, 11/ 2/15 11:58:32am Mon
I'm with you Maven. This was an inspiring win! ( "I am still on a high about how all facets of Gate football worked! Keep up that aggressive stance." )
This team was on a mission, and their high energy got more pumped as the pieces fell in place and the ball kept bouncing their way.
One thing that concerned me in watching gate earlier this year against other significant opponents is the lack of fire in their bellies. Navy, UNH, Yale and Princeton were all teams that I thought they could get pumped for ?
This was a statement game ! But, will the motivation of the ring being obtainable sustain this level of energy. If it does, I think you have to look more favorably on the wisdom of the heavy scheduling that gate puts into the front end of the season. This is a gate trademark and it adds drama to the season.
btw, did anyone else notice that we now only have 10 games scheduled in 2016 and 2017. An open spot to fill for each year.
COLGATE FUTURE FOOTBALL SCHEDULES
2016
Sept. 3 Sept. 10 Sept. 17 Sept. 24 Oct. 1 Oct. 8 Oct. 15 Oct. 22 Oct. 29 Nov. 5 Nov. 12 Nov. 19
at Syracuse
Open
at Yale
at Richmond
CORNELL
at Lehigh *
at Bucknell *
Open
HOLY CROSS *
at Fordham *
LAFAYETTE *
GEORGETOWN *
2017
Sept. 2
Sept. 9
Sept. 16
Sept. 23
Sept. 30
Oct. 7 Oct. 14 Oct. 21 Oct. 28 Nov. 4 Nov. 11 Nov. 18
Open
RICHMOND
at Buffalo
FURMAN
at Cornell
LEHIGH *
FORDHAM *
at Holy Cross
* BUCKNELL
* Open
at Lafayette *
at Georgetown *
>By definition we are all Monday morning Quarterbacks.
>But one can't urge the coaches to be aggressive and at
>the same time criticize the pass play on the FU 25
>late in the game. I personally would have run twice
>and used more clock which might make a first down or
>move into FG range, but I have no problem with the
>option they chose. But one can easily imagine the
>outcry on this board if we had run the ball and gone
>nowhere.
>The on-sides kick is another matter. Have to practice
>that.
>Now every game has consequences. I hope they do not
>overlook Lafayette. They have a lousy record, but are
>getting a lot of injured players back and will be very
>motivated to knock us off.
>Someone should point out that they do not to open the
>door for their dreaded rival Lehigh.
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Re: Gate's ENERGY in Ram game a new bar for this team! -- Gate'83, 11/ 2/15 1:26:13pm Mon
>I'm with you Maven. This was an inspiring win! ( "I am
>still on a high about how all facets of Gate football
>worked! Keep up that aggressive stance." )
>
>This team was on a mission, and their high energy got
>more pumped as the pieces fell in place and the ball
>kept bouncing their way.
>
>One thing that concerned me in watching gate earlier
>this year against other significant opponents is the
>lack of fire in their bellies. Navy, UNH, Yale and
>Princeton were all teams that I thought they could get
>pumped for ?
>
>This was a statement game ! But, will the motivation
>of the ring being obtainable sustain this level of
>energy. If it does, I think you have to look more
>favorably on the wisdom of the heavy scheduling that
>gate puts into the front end of the season. This is a
>gate trademark and it adds drama to the season.
>
>btw, did anyone else notice that we now only have 10
>games scheduled in 2016 and 2017. An open spot to fill
>for each year.
>
>COLGATE FUTURE FOOTBALL SCHEDULES
>
>2016
>Sept. 3 Sept. 10 Sept. 17 Sept. 24 Oct. 1 Oct. 8 Oct.
>15 Oct. 22 Oct. 29 Nov. 5 Nov. 12 Nov. 19
>
>at Syracuse
>Open
>at Yale
>at Richmond
>CORNELL
>at Lehigh *
>at Bucknell *
>Open
>HOLY CROSS *
>at Fordham *
>LAFAYETTE *
>GEORGETOWN *
>
>
>2017
>
>Sept. 2
>Sept. 9
>Sept. 16
>Sept. 23
>Sept. 30
>Oct. 7 Oct. 14 Oct. 21 Oct. 28 Nov. 4 Nov. 11 Nov. 18
>Open
>RICHMOND
>at Buffalo
>FURMAN
>at Cornell
>LEHIGH *
>FORDHAM *
>at Holy Cross
>* BUCKNELL
>* Open
>at Lafayette *
>at Georgetown *
Somebody else noticed this a while back, the open spots used to be a home and home with Bryant that we canceled. I asked about it, sounds like we're hoping to replace with a home & home with an Ivy. That was the answer I got at Homecoming, not sure what's happened in the last month or so.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Gate Raider, 11/ 2/15 12:44:06pm Mon
I hope that first open date in 2016 is filled with a home game. It is getting old having almost all away-games in the first month of the season - the best weather of the year. As it stands now there will be one home game in the first two months of 2016.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- 'gate80, 11/ 2/15 6:25:46pm Mon
That was the most surprised I've been that we dominated an opponent since the FAU game in 2003. Melville's passing was terrific, as was the more unpredictable offense. The defense was great, especially the way they handled Edmonds. I thought the game was clinched at 3 different times, and am not sure whether the fact that the game came down to a 2-point conversion was because of bad luck or bad coaching. That was such a great win that I'll opt for the former. I agree with the poster that Biddle or Dunlap would never have passed from the 1.5 yard line, and that Fordham might have had a better chance giving it to Edmonds. As far as the squib kick discussion, Duke did squib kick it to Miami. Whether it's an Ivy, or stretch game against a FBS or good FCS team, it's great that Bryant is off the schedule.
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Cr, 11/ 2/15 10:56:53pm Mon
>That was the most surprised I've been that we
>dominated an opponent since the FAU game in 2003.
>Melville's passing was terrific, as was the more
>unpredictable offense. The defense was great,
>especially the way they handled Edmonds. I thought the
>game was clinched at 3 different times, and am not
>sure whether the fact that the game came down to a
>2-point conversion was because of bad luck or bad
>coaching. That was such a great win that I'll opt for
>the former. I agree with the poster that Biddle or
>Dunlap would never have passed from the 1.5 yard line,
>and that Fordham might have had a better chance giving
>it to Edmonds. As far as the squib kick discussion,
>Duke did squib kick it to Miami. Whether it's an Ivy,
>or stretch game against a FBS or good FCS team, it's
>great that Bryant is off the schedule.
Totally with you on the above. I feel that we should have 11 games!
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Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham) -- Zappa, 11/ 3/15 7:49:57am Tue
>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."
After watching the game clinching play on youtube a few times it's a good thing that ball was batted down, the Fordham receiver had position on our dback !
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