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Date Posted: 11/ 2/15 1:56:58am Mon
Author: Steve
Subject: Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross
In reply to: Alex Trebek 's message, "Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross" on 11/ 1/15 10:40:49pm Sun

I like that quote and if I were an insider I would know that answer about any recent scholarship reallocations.

But only the AD knows and I bet she's not talking about whatever went down the past couple of years when swimming and volleyball monies were apportioned in the budgets.

But here's a thought. Assuming both coaches go for success and deliver smart business plans (or whatever they're called at their staff meetings with the AD), then the arrival in June of Pres Casey may make a difference. He is a master swimmer since his Notre Dame years and swims laps with the team mornings! If the AD thought about it- a team he would likely know better on this basis that any other- she will ensure that the coach gets the support they deserve.

Let's see how that works.

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross -- Gate Raider, 11/ 2/15 12:08:00pm Mon

So, if the reallocation is true, swimming suffered and volleyball gained for no valid reason other than what could be easily termed politics or very subjective at best. (A poor coach who is a good salesman gets the money and a good coach but poor salesman doesn't.) One team should not be rewarded at the expense of another. We're not dealing with a for profit scheme here. With that kind of thinking the field hockey team should be eliminated this afternoon and the expense allocated to other women's teams or a women's club sport should be elevated. I don't like the thought that money I contribute and designated for a specific sport is moved to another. Money is fungible, but there should be some accountability.


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[> [> [> [> Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross -- Maven, 11/ 2/15 12:20:59pm Mon

>So, if the reallocation is true, swimming suffered and
>volleyball gained for no valid reason other than what
>could be easily termed politics or very subjective at
>best. (A poor coach who is a good salesman gets the
>money and a good coach but poor salesman doesn't.)
>One team should not be rewarded at the expense of
>another. We're not dealing with a for profit scheme
>here. With that kind of thinking the field hockey team
>should be eliminated this afternoon and the expense
>allocated to other women's teams or a women's club
>sport should be elevated. I don't like the thought
>that money I contribute and designated for a specific
>sport is moved to another. Money is fungible, but
>there should be some accountability.

Field hockey is there for Title 9 reasons.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross -- Gate Raider, 11/ 2/15 9:52:01pm Mon

The idea that a scholarship can be moved from one sport to another every year or two is simply ridiculous at best. Such a practice would not allow for continuity in recruiting or level of performance and would be a nightmare for a coach. If that is what is happening, the AD needs a wake up call. Imagine it. The W BB team excels for two years, but the W SB team badly performs. The solution would be take a scholarship from WBB and give it SB. Yeah right, good idea. Want to do the same with the football team or how 'bout M hockey. The swim coach is an endowed position. Heck of a way to thank a the contributor by downgrading the program. Title nine issues could be solved by raising W rugby and lowering FH. BTW - Holy Cross's field hockey team beat Dartmouth last week and HC is about as bad as they get in non-revenue sports. Steve, check out the FH teams record. It has never had a big high. An objective review of the program would conclude a new coach is needed. A question- is there somewhere you can go to find how many scholarships are given to each sport at Colgate?


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[> [> [> [> Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross -- Steve, 11/ 2/15 12:40:05pm Mon

>So, if the reallocation is true, swimming suffered and
>volleyball gained for no valid reason other than what
>could be easily termed politics or very subjective at
>best. (A poor coach who is a good salesman gets the
>money and a good coach but poor salesman doesn't.)
>One team should not be rewarded at the expense of
>another. We're not dealing with a for profit scheme
>here. With that kind of thinking the field hockey team
>should be eliminated this afternoon and the expense
>allocated to other women's teams or a women's club
>sport should be elevated. I don't like the thought
>that money I contribute and designated for a specific
>sport is moved to another. Money is fungible, but
>there should be some accountability.


I think you are missing something: if one team is expected to do very well next year while another is struggling, and the former will not use its funding as a result of a schollie senior's imminent graduation, it would make sense to shift some funds to the latter team, all other things being equal and to the best of the Administrator knowledge and judgment at the time.

Money is fungible unless it is restricted as to purpose and in my example the money shift is from the non-restricted pot.

On another note, I don't know what is meant by field hockey is only there for Title IX. We have balance in our sports programs by design and many of our sports teams, FH included, have had big highs and bad lows. That's all.

Go 'gate!


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Swimming and diving wins over Holy Cross -- Jesus Shuttleworth, 11/ 2/15 2:40:43pm Mon

>>So, if the reallocation is true, swimming suffered and
>>volleyball gained for no valid reason other than what
>>could be easily termed politics or very subjective at
>>best. (A poor coach who is a good salesman gets the
>>money and a good coach but poor salesman doesn't.)
>>One team should not be rewarded at the expense of
>>another. We're not dealing with a for profit scheme
>>here. With that kind of thinking the field hockey team
>>should be eliminated this afternoon and the expense
>>allocated to other women's teams or a women's club
>>sport should be elevated. I don't like the thought
>>that money I contribute and designated for a specific
>>sport is moved to another. Money is fungible, but
>>there should be some accountability.
>
>
>I think you are missing something: if one team is
>expected to do very well next year while another is
>struggling, and the former will not use its funding as
>a result of a schollie senior's imminent graduation,
>it would make sense to shift some funds to the latter
>team, all other things being equal and to the best of
>the Administrator knowledge and judgment at the time.
>
>Money is fungible unless it is restricted as to
>purpose and in my example the money shift is from the
>non-restricted pot.
>
>On another note, I don't know what is meant by field
>hockey is only there for Title IX. We have balance in
>our sports programs by design and many of our sports
>teams, FH included, have had big highs and bad lows.
>That's all.
>
>Go 'gate!

I can imagine these decisions are never easy to make, especially when you are dealing with the student athlete experience. Let's face the reality, Colgate doesn't have a ton of scholarships at their disposal. They need to operate strategically and try to put each program in the best possible position to be successful.

This would be a totally different conversation if the above information wasn't true. I don't think it is fair to place the blame on one program gaining support and putting another at a disadvantage, it is not the coaches fault.

Maybe athletics finds it'self in a catch 22, unlike the corporate world, with blogs, message boards, social media it is hard to make decisions that will appease the masses.


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