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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Navy game comments -- Philip, 09/ 7/15 12:12:18pm Mon

>since the taxpayers foot all of Navy's bills, why do
>they charge admission to their games?

Taxpayers most certainly do NOT pay all of Navy's bills...

http://www.navysports.com/ot/what-is-naaa.html

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[> [> [> [> [> O-line -- The Future, 09/ 7/15 12:25:37pm Mon

So much is asked of Colgate's O-line in this offensive philosophy. There is very small percentage of the field that you are asking the defense to defend. Against teams of equal or lesser talent, Colgate's offense typically prevails. It controls the clock and rarely makes mistakes. The #1 precursor to victory is turnover margin. Colgate wears other teams down by saying, "This is what we are going to do and you can't stop us." and has an offense that doesn't turn the ball over. That will win you a lot of games. Against teams with better talent, Colgate offense sacrifices the #2 precursor to victory (plays over 20 yards) by consistently running the read option. Colgate doesn't dominate the line of scrimmage the way it does agains lesser programs and doesn't run plays designed to go over 20 yards. I think, in many ways, this explains Colgate's consistent winning over the past 20 years and lack of big wins (and often getting blown out) against schools with better programs over the past 12. Colgate beats teams it should and doesn't beat teams it shouldn't. Teams of equal talent like Holy Cross make enough mistakes (like not running the ball in the 4th quarter with a lead) for Colgate to win the majority of these contests.

Colgate threw the ball more than 20 yards once against Navy (the TD to Quazza). RBs averaged over 4 yards a carry and the line didn't give up any sacks--which is pretty impressive against a team of that quality--but it also only scored one touchdown. The (only?) way for Colgate to win a game like that is to have more plays of 20 plus yards--even just the threat of Colgate running these plays would probably help.

It's impossible to see what receivers are doing down the field watching a game on TV but it seems like Colgate almost never runs play action with receivers running go routes to open up the middle of the field for everybody else--especially on traditional running downs like second and short. It seems like the threat of Colgate going for a big play and working receivers on different levels and occasionally going for the big play would really help Colgate's entire O--particularly against good teams. Even running a series where the offense goes into hurry up for five plays would put the D on its heels, confuse them, and not let them catch their breath.

So much is asked of the O-line given the methodical nature of Colgate's offense. Making the offense a little less predictable (especially against the toughest opponents) would probably help them and the rest of the offense. Or, maybe not. I'm just some dude on the internet who knows less about coaching than just about everybody (other than the guy calling plays at the end of Holy Cross games).


Here is an interesting article about the high school coach who never punts and is also looking to change what his players do when they have the ball in open space. It also where I got the precursor to victory stats:
http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-jacobs-column-football-rules-0822-20150821-column.html

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: O-line -- The Lone Haranguer, 09/ 7/15 1:24:44pm Mon

Question: in an early season game against a foe such as Navy, Syracuse, Air Force, etc., how much do we "open our kimono" to our Patriot League opponents?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: O-line -- pigskin, 09/ 7/15 2:06:31pm Mon

>Question: in an early season game against a foe such
>as Navy, Syracuse, Air Force, etc., how much do we
>"open our kimono" to our Patriot League opponents?

There's plenty of time to switch up our O before league games start, I wouldn't worry about that. Our game plans have changed in the past and I would guess this is all part of the strategy of the long season.

I have to agree with The Future on one thing. Why not use the hurry up offense once in a while to confuse the opponent? It wouldn't hurt to change the pace of things. Also I don't like the long count we were using vs. Navy. Gives them much too much time to settle into their defensive schemes. Would much rather see a quick count - keep the D off balance.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: O-line -- 'gate73, 09/ 7/15 4:17:18pm Mon

>>Question: in an early season game against a foe such
>>as Navy, Syracuse, Air Force, etc., how much do we
>>"open our kimono" to our Patriot League opponents?
>
>There's plenty of time to switch up our O before
>league games start, I wouldn't worry about that. Our
>game plans have changed in the past and I would guess
>this is all part of the strategy of the long season.
>
>I have to agree with The Future on one thing. Why not
>use the hurry up offense once in a while to confuse
>the opponent? It wouldn't hurt to change the pace of
>things. Also I don't like the long count we were using
>vs. Navy. Gives them much too much time to settle into
>their defensive schemes. Would much rather see a quick
>count - keep the D off balance.

It seemed like we were using long counts before the snap frequently. Was that meant to draw the defense offsides? Didn't seem effective (but the coaches know more than I ever will). Also, where was Afriyie after the first few minutes? Was he hurt? He seems to be quite an athlete.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Navy game comments -- Gate Raider, 09/ 7/15 7:32:18pm Mon

The Future is correct. Colgate's game plan and play calling is very predictable and has been for two decades. Go to a game or to the Inn after a game and it is a frequent topic of conversation. Works okay within the PL and not so much outside of it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Navy game comments -- The Future, 09/12/15 1:41:44pm Sat

I really like Colgate's offense and in many ways, it's been the offense that has been the foundation for Colgate's best teams over the past 20 years (which means Hunt should get a lot of the credit for Colgate's best moments). There is nothing more demoralizing for a defense to know (basically) what is coming at you and not be able to stop it. My only point is that the offense is hurt by not having the threat of the ball being thrown down the field and that tends to show itself against the better teams. As for tempo, I think just mixing it up would help/keep the defense on its toes. Unless you are running out the clock, there is an energy to a offense getting on a roll--the best recent example of that to me is that end of the first half against Princeton last year (which was also the last jump ball to Quazza in the end zone).

Navy may also be the best team Colgate has played since #3 Syracuse in '87 (I'm sure there is a team in there I'm forgetting). I have no doubt that this team can beat UNH and anybody else they play this year.

Hope they came out of the Navy game game with the energy and cohesiveness they had at camp mixed with a healthy dose of anger.

Also, for those people who don't like Colgate playing up, Jacksonville State (FCS team) is beating Auburn at the half. Auburn was between a 41 and 47 point favorite in this game. Auburn will probably win but the Jax State kids will never forget the day they went into half beating the #6 team in the country.

Beat UNH!

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