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Subject: Does social media matter when it comes to placement at nationals?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:29:40 09/04/23 Mon Some titleholders seem to make more of an effort than others; I’m just wondering how much it really factors in. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It should be! Social media is a huge marketing tool. It may not be scored but it should matter when choosing a titleholder especially Miss A. I don’t think the org would’ve gone to such great lengths to rebrand, new social media person, for it to just sit on the sidelines. And don’t forget sponsors, they definitely want social media attention and some even require it in their contracts. (NT) -- No name, 12:05:58 09/04/23 Mon For this year at Miss USA, it’s going to matter a whole lot! (NT) -- No name, 12:27:38 09/04/23 Mon Ironic, considering the current Miss USA is almost nonexistent on social media. (NT) -- No name, 12:38:12 09/04/23 Mon Sabrina Lewis won Miss California and didn’t even bother to make a titleholder account… she doesn’t even post now on the Miss California account… so I guess social media doesn’t matter (NT) -- No name, 13:26:36 09/04/23 Mon She posts on her personal page so that can grow. Doozy on IG story yesterday. (NT) -- No name, 18:06:59 09/04/23 Mon She posted the most cringe video of her reminding all of us that she is very very poor. It was so unclassy. Really hoping Miss CA board of directors replaces her before Miss A. (NT) -- No name, 21:41:27 09/04/23 Mon Why would they replace her bc she says she was poor? That's mean. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:24 09/06/23 Wed Instead of effectively supporting the girls they like, they try to tear down the ones they don’t. Instead of criticizing young women on here, just start hyping up your favorite. CA is lovely and doesn’t deserve your hate. (NT) -- No name, 19:25:57 09/06/23 Wed It was just tacky. I wish she spent more energy promoting the organization instead of reminding us that she is poor. She already told us during her on stage question (NT) -- No name, 23:32:56 09/06/23 Wed I think the poster meant it wasn't a classy video. She rattled on about being as poor as dirt. Like that's a reason to be a Miss America? She is not going to Olympics ever. Those judges had the wool pulled over their eyes and ears. Do some background checking on all contestants. (NT) -- No name, 03:16:39 09/08/23 Fri She's poor but claims to be an equestrian? So, she doesn't have a horse and claims to be an equestrian? Beautiful or not, something's not jiving with this girl. (NT) -- No name, 08:21:47 09/07/23 Thu If you look at her rankings online, she does compete but not at a high level. Unfortunately, she will not be making it to the Olympic team any time soon. I think she maybe did 4 competitions this past year. I just hate when girls claim to be poor, yet have been competing in at-large pageants since high school with custom $7,000 gowns. Would love to know how they are making it happen when they claim to be poor. Must have some great sponsors (NT) -- No name, 11:33:40 09/07/23 Thu She competes using a horse that is shared with other equestrians competing at the event as well. I can confirm that she does not own a horse yet (NT) -- No name, 11:35:01 09/07/23 Thu That's fairly typical of equestrian sports. What matters is the level of competition. She is not at an equestrian at a level that would ever compete at the Olympics. (NT) -- No name, 03:19:27 09/08/23 Fri It's also a sport where top competitors are frequently in their 40s and 50s, so while I know she mentioned "her dream" is to compete in LA in 2028, which may not be realistic, she has plenty of time to legitimately compete at the Olympic level someday. (NT) -- No name, 18:49:52 09/09/23 Sat A few of the current titleholders need to relax with their social media obsession. One posts almost daily. I loved her when she was crowned. The more she shows me, the further she falls. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:05 09/04/23 Mon Local director here, they were given a new social media agreement requiring them to post five times a week. (NT) -- No name, 17:53:49 09/04/23 Mon You do realize that these young women only have one year to post about their titles, so why wouldn’t they post as much as possible? You sound mean. (NT) -- No name, 18:13:09 09/04/23 Mon CA contestants were told they wanted a girl who was savvy with social media. It was requested they post often. The CA org didn't do much of their own marketing they left it up to the contestants. Same girls were reposted over and over again in IG stories, but other girls were never told only stories and not posts were reposted in stories. So if you followed it seemed like only a few girls were active on social media. Which basically left the girls and the viewers in the dark. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:28 09/04/23 Mon Oh you’re right there’s not much posting on the Miss CA titleholder account! Mostly still posting pictures from pagean. That does seem odd and not like most of the state titleholders. (NT) -- No name, 20:25:28 09/04/23 Mon I think the women that try hard and keep up consistent content reflect well on the organization. I’m so tired of everyone being so mean to these young women for just doing their damn jobs. (NT) -- No name, 22:15:38 09/04/23 Mon Has anyone ever entered a state pageant and had the ED demand that all the girls give her their social media accounts ( every single one) and all passwords? Does this happen in every state? Why does everyone need to hand over all their personal information to the state ED prior to the pagent? (NT) -- No name, 21:02:16 09/08/23 Fri There are some girls that try way too hard and are annoying on social media. (NT) -- No name, 09:48:28 09/05/23 Tue How so? (NT) -- No name, 11:36:03 09/05/23 Tue Go home. you're drunk. (NT) -- No name, 11:56:44 09/05/23 Tue I love you. (NT) -- No name, 12:00:24 09/05/23 Tue It matters at state pageants. I have judged around 20 state pageants and I always check all the girls' social media to see engagement... and who is really doing work and who is just posting nonsense. I'll even say in interview "in your paperwork you say you've visited 25 schools but I didn't see a single picture on your facebook or instagram." (NT) -- No name, 15:11:10 09/06/23 Wed That might be because many schools dont allow children to be photographed. Requires parents permission etc (NT) -- No name, 19:48:35 09/06/23 Wed You sound like a complete asshole. Social media is not a judge criterion. (NT) -- No name, 11:26:00 09/07/23 Thu As a judge, I look at their social media more for who they really are and not what their paperwork says. And obviously online presence is usually different than real life but knowing you like "The Simpsons" opens up some fun interview questions. (NT) -- No name, 12:57:29 09/07/23 Thu Or it could be that they have a good PR team spinning their social media! You never know these days. (NT) -- No name, 17:53:36 09/07/23 Thu Well, you can see it in their faces if they're not telling the truth and it's pretty easy to find the "real" girls before they became Miss _____. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:56 09/21/23 Thu This is really an interesting statement, I've known many winners who won, simply because they were great at branding themselves. Not for their honesty! I wish it were different. It's just what it is! (NT) -- No name, 19:05:49 09/21/23 Thu I’d love to hear a contestant say to you, “I see in your bio you’ve judged 20+ pageants and you’re still an insensitive asshole who doesn’t have a clue as to how to be an effective judge. Why is that?” (NT) -- No name, 18:04:09 09/07/23 Thu No. It should not matter at all. (NT) -- No name, 03:39:51 09/08/23 Fri As brand ambassadors for the organization, social media should matter. (NT) -- No name, 08:51:09 09/08/23 Fri THANK YOU!!! Social media is everything! (NT) -- No name, 10:07:03 09/08/23 Fri One of our girls uses that company Rosen Media? It seems new, but it looks like she knows what’s she doing. -- No name, 10:15:41 09/08/23 Fri What is that (NT) -- No name, 10:32:01 09/08/23 Fri I found it on instagram: @rosenmediaconsulting it says “social strategy and consulting for pageantry” -- No name, 11:03:09 09/08/23 Fri Chloe is the daughter of Fran who used to run Miss Illinois. I will say I'm not sure it's worth paying someone to help with social media branding because I still don't think many judges care. But Chloe has the background to know what she's doing (NT) -- No name, 10:34:10 09/21/23 Thu If she ‘knows what she’s doing’ why does she have almost no followers? This doesn’t scream effective social media. (NT) -- No name, 23:14:56 09/21/23 Thu Which titleholders stand out an social media? (NT) -- No name, 21:23:05 09/08/23 Fri I think that our Miss ND is doing a great job :) (NT) -- No name, 13:04:14 09/09/23 Sat Impressed with MO (NT) -- No name, 13:14:59 09/09/23 Sat Sunny Day, Miss Oklahoma, has a terrific social media presence, and she has a wonderful message about her passion for being a teacher and how much she loves her students. (NT) -- No name, 14:53:01 09/09/23 Sat Whomever can hire the best Social Media PR firm! Is who is going to stand out! It is what it is! (NT) -- No name, 15:59:28 09/09/23 Sat When it comes to social media, I'm a quality-over-quantity kind of person. I'd rather see a girl post beautiful photos with informative, entertaining captions 2x/week instead of brainless selfies every single day. (NT) -- No name, 14:53:18 09/10/23 Sun

Subject: Is there something wrong with the Virginia Guru board or is there perhaps a new one? The one I have bookmarked has not had a post in over two months.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:47:19 09/21/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It had a couple posts, but everything has been wiped except the one long one (NT) -- No name, 23:11:48 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: reactions
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:33:03 09/11/23 Mon What is the most wholesome reaction you’ve seen to a win? This year or otherwise? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Maybe from a Mormon? (NT) -- No name, 18:38:31 09/11/23 Mon I'm sure you meant that as an insult but with the psycho world we live in these days, that is a very very good compliment to Mormons. (NT) -- No name, 18:46:02 09/11/23 Mon Not an insult. I just figured I’d cast a wide “wholesome” net and Mormon likely fits that category. (NT) -- No name, 23:38:47 09/11/23 Mon Charlotte Lopez being crowned Miss Teen USA. Close second, Heather Whitestone at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 18:46:59 09/11/23 Mon Charlotte's win was special. I loved it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WttiCnkaO3s (NT) -- No name, 19:53:38 09/11/23 Mon Wow, just watched the link. This was incredible and so was she! (NT) -- No name, 20:25:24 09/11/23 Mon I always thought that Rebecca King had this award nailed down and it would never be taken away from her???? (NT) -- No name, 23:47:19 09/11/23 Mon You have to remember she was"very surprised." (NT) -- No name, 00:02:35 09/12/23 Tue That was beautiful. Thank you for posting. (NT) -- No name, 10:06:57 09/12/23 Tue Kay Lani, Leanza, and Phyllis. (NT) -- No name, 08:11:42 09/12/23 Tue Kylene (NT) -- No name, 08:55:33 09/12/23 Tue https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=kylene+barker&mid=8F4DE4D6BA99F4F32C7B8F4DE4D6BA99F4F32C7B (NT) -- No name, 22:13:34 09/13/23 Wed Marjorie Vincent...and also Kim Aiken, the beautiful hug she gave Leanza was everything! ❤️ (NT) -- No name, 23:41:40 09/13/23 Wed And Leanza's reaction was one of shock. She was even congratulating her 1st runner-up moments before. "Your eyes are as big as saucers," she recalled people telling her on Regis & Katie Lee. (NT) -- No name, 05:56:43 09/15/23 Fri KATHIE Lee...sorry, mea culpa. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:25 09/15/23 Fri I loved how Leanza was clapping for Kim for her entire walk (NT) -- No name, 14:36:26 09/19/23 Tue Thank you for pointing that out! I have watched that pageant 1000 times and never noticed that. Typically after the new Miss America is crowned and starts down the runway, the now former Miss A moves stage right completely out of the way, and sometimes completely out of sight. (NT) -- No name, 05:34:02 09/20/23 Wed In 1986 after She put the Crown on Kellie Cash , Susan Aiken Completely Left the stage (NT) -- No name, 15:12:36 09/20/23 Wed Terri Utley (NT) -- No name, 13:13:08 09/14/23 Thu Erika Dunlap (NT) -- No name, 18:00:40 09/14/23 Thu Kaye Lani for sure! She was up against some solid ladies and I think everyone wrote her off because of her hula dance. (NT) -- Lee, 11:09:06 09/15/23 Fri Erika Dunlap was so fun! (NT) -- No name, 14:34:39 09/15/23 Fri It was nice to see the runner-ups reaction to their name being called. They all seemed happy to have been top five (NT) -- No name, 13:11:06 09/15/23 Fri Except for Sandra Truitt. The look on her face...she was furious! (NT) -- No name, 20:28:40 09/17/23 Sun Sandra "Dagger Eyes" Truitt. (NT) -- No name, 20:12:49 09/21/23 Thu Sorry but I cant forget Nigeria's reaction to Jamaica Winning Miss World 2019. They must have been roommates or something (NT) -- No name, 13:42:08 09/15/23 Fri I just watched it, and OMG, it brought tears to my eyes. Miss France kept wiping her eyes. Love it. (NT) -- No name, 14:54:28 09/15/23 Fri Miss Washington 2021 & 2022, and Miss Oklahoma 2022! (NT) -- No name, 14:56:12 09/15/23 Fri I have to agree with Miss World 2019. I wonder how Nigeria would have acted had she actually won. I've never seen any other contestant so thrilled about someone's win (NT) -- No name, 14:25:33 09/16/23 Sat Cynthia White Miss OK walked around Colorado to Hug Majorie (NT) -- No name, 13:52:43 09/19/23 Tue My favorite was Sarah Klein winning Miss Oklahoma. What made it special is her turning around and it looked like she looked at every contestant with love. (NT) -- No name, 06:40:03 09/20/23 Wed I have to agree! SK was one of Miss OKs most graciously, beautiful queens! (NT) -- No name, 14:24:05 09/20/23 Wed In six successive years, Sarah was top ten, then 4th RU, then 3rd RU. then 2nd RU, then 1st RU. She then won in the following year, her last year of eligibility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWvf3Jy12A (NT) -- No name, 20:03:57 09/20/23 Wed Agree, so special!! (NT) -- No name, 21:43:37 09/20/23 Wed One of the most memorable moments in Wisconsin was in 2009 when Kristina Smaby won the title. It was her 4th time at state, and while she already had a large cheering section, I felt like the entire auditorium was behind. When she won, the audience reaction was unlike anything I had ever seen before. I honestly think that if the 1st runner-up had won there would have been a revolt. (NT) -- No name, 14:55:48 09/20/23 Wed 1st runner up Marisol Montalvo 1991 She wanted as much scholarship $ she could get without winning the title of Miss America because she wanted to perform on Broadway. She succeded in both areas. Thats the reason why she was so excited when she was named 1st runner up to Sapp. (NT) -- No name, 16:29:53 09/20/23 Wed I've read this here before and I'm not disputing your word but it there ever was a contestant who seemed to put every fiber of their being in winning Miss America, it was her. I recall vividly her expression each time a runner up was called as if she expected it to be her. (NT) -- No name, 19:38:48 09/21/23 Thu I've heard frequently through the years that Marisol signed one of those "I do not want to win" statements as the pageant began. That's why she was so happy - she had won the maximum amount (first runner up) without having to take on the job of Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 20:36:07 09/21/23 Thu "I heard" among pageant circles. - LOL. Take that with a grain of salt my friend. (NT) -- No name, 23:08:49 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: when is miss usa and where can i watch it
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:40:46 09/21/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The 2023 Miss USA Pageant will air on The CW on Sept. 29 from 8 to 10 p.m. EST (NT) -- No name, 22:05:12 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: PHOTOS AND CROWNING MOMENTS OF THE 2023 MISS USA CONTESTANTS
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:38:48 09/21/23 Thu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfCS4_57xZo&t=11s The 2023 Miss USA Pageant will be held on Friday, Sept. 29th @ 5:00 P.M. (P.S.T.), 8:00 P.M. (E.S.T) on the CW NETWORK. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Anyone heard where and when the Miss America pageant will be!! Travel plans and room accommodations need to be made!!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:48:14 09/07/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Of course no one knows yet, if they did it would be posted all over this board already. (NT) -- No name, 10:41:34 09/07/23 Thu I was sorry the plan for next month fell through (NT) -- No name, 11:08:55 09/07/23 Thu Plan for next month? You have no idea what you are talking about. (NT) -- No name, 13:17:49 09/07/23 Thu Latest idea: January 1-6, Hollywood, Florida (NT) -- No name, 18:45:56 09/07/23 Thu Hell yeah (NT) -- No name, 19:32:02 09/07/23 Thu What could be better than Hollywood, Florida? How about Hollywood, California in early January?? -- Fan, 09:10:32 09/08/23 Fri It will be in Florida or Texas, likely. I’m thinking Orlando. (NT) -- No name, 10:09:19 09/08/23 Fri I was hoping AC in October could have come together (NT) -- No name, 11:32:07 09/08/23 Fri AC is over, thank goodness. Let it go. (NT) -- No name, 11:46:57 09/08/23 Fri Not according to a few state directors. (NT) -- No name, 12:14:19 09/08/23 Fri If Miss America ever wants to return to its former glory, it will return to Atlantic City and make a huge media hype about doing so. But it does sound like a lot of healing would have to take place before that could happen. (NT) -- No name, 12:50:11 09/08/23 Fri What happened between AC and MAO in the first place? (NT) -- No name, 13:02:04 09/08/23 Fri Here's an article from NJ.com to explain what happened between MAO & the CRDA:https://www.nj.com/entertainment/2019/04/there-she-isnt-miss-america-to-leave-boardwalk-hall-for-upcoming-pageant.html?amp_bc=114hbn01amp_cidMDhoSlNBT1VCc25rdnNLMXA2ck1XWlQ4Y1RWTm1LTFhqdU1ILUpPTU5NMno1LWFhTDJZWlJyTzlmOEVnNTBiaQ..&_gl=11n0sveg_gac3BHVERFQWc3OVlFNGY2OFhPX04tTmZJbVpNcnNJUXZ2RXJhUkJXd25kUmZoU0pzV3hmdDVMNkV4b0ZwSy0waw.._ga_NTKKSXTDHGMTY5NTI3OTEwOC4xLjEuMTY5NTI3OTEwOC4wLjAuMA.. (NT) -- Anon, 02:54:42 09/21/23 Thu Atlantic City is an absolute dump. Been there for MA multiple times and it was the worst. It is a nightmare to travel to. If you want to eat you better do it at 4 pm before the pageant because everything is shut down after the pageant. And it isn't safe. (NT) -- No name, 16:29:02 09/08/23 Fri A few state directors who need to retire want it at AC. AC is over. Move on. (NT) -- It’s a giver if it doesn’t get rid of the old state ED’s and get young and fresh leadership., 16:12:03 09/08/23 Fri Four months out, would be nice to start booking air/room (NT) -- No name, 19:59:55 09/08/23 Fri I’m sure we’ll hear soon! (NT) -- No name, 21:26:49 09/08/23 Fri Robin tried to make it happen in AC, but it didn't work. Now she is looking at the end of the holidays in FL (NT) -- No name, 10:26:39 09/09/23 Sat Has orientation been rescheduled? (NT) -- No name, 19:54:45 09/18/23 Mon It’s going to be tough for some of the states to get time off work if they wait any longer. Thinking of military women, teachers, businesswomen. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:30 09/19/23 Tue That's life. (NT) -- No name, 17:44:36 09/19/23 Tue Huh? What is life? (NT) -- No name, 00:20:49 09/21/23 Thu IF IT'S NOT ATLANTIC CITY, IT'S REALLY NOT MISS AMERICA. (NT) -- No name, 17:36:01 09/19/23 Tue Oh, please! (NT) -- No name, 18:52:33 09/19/23 Tue I say thank goodness if it isn't in Atlantic City. And yes I have been there for MA. (NT) -- No name, 19:35:11 09/19/23 Tue How did the Lottery go? Can someone post the placements? (NT) -- No name, 19:33:02 09/19/23 Tue It’s not till the 28th (NT) -- No name, 20:04:15 09/19/23 Tue thank you (NT) -- No name, 21:46:00 09/19/23 Tue Has the date changed again? We were told last week that the lottery would be this week (NT) -- No name, 23:37:13 09/19/23 Tue Not sure who you were told by but it’s always been the 28th (NT) -- No name, 14:49:03 09/20/23 Wed My "guess" is Florida. And probably South Florida (Miami area). We shall see.... (NT) -- No name, 17:45:06 09/21/23 Thu Florida has various "options": In 2015, Miss Universe was held at Florida International University. Miss FL USA has been held at the Coral Springs Center for the Arts, The Parker Playhouse in Ft. lauderdale, Bailey Concert Hall in Davie and there is also the Linda Chapin Theater in Orlando where Miss America's Teen was held for years. Of course, hotels could be an option too or the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in the Miami area. Weather is nice. (NT) -- No name, 17:55:54 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: So if a local pageant had 5 state winners 1 first runner up and one top ten in the time it was held would that be successful or have there been other locals to do just as well?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:21:02 09/15/23 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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depends .. how well funded is the local? well enough to afford trainers/coaches? well stocked closet? do the firls have deep pocketbooks? is this local located near the state board? is this actually an open or regional where girls can come from other areas? does your state tend to pick from a major metro area? the answer is not black and white - and, mostly, has little to do with the directors (NT) -- No name, 21:55:56 09/15/23 Fri If that local is giving away 4 to 8 crowns every year, that isn't as much of a success story as if said local was only giving one Miss crown each year. (NT) -- No name, 23:26:12 09/15/23 Fri It was a while ago. Open yo anyone I think and only 1 winner crowned. (NT) -- d..., 03:34:01 09/16/23 Sat To not yo. (NT) -- d..., 07:51:56 09/16/23 Sat Is there a typo in the original post? How could a local have five state winners when state winners would not have still been competing? Or am I missing something? (NT) -- No name, 14:06:37 09/16/23 Sat Of the local winners while the pageant was happening 5 wine stare title, 1 was first runner up and 1cwas top ten at the state pageanr. (NT) -- d..., 14:44:39 09/16/23 Sat I can honestly say I don't understand your ramblings. What point are you trying to make? Not trying to be nasty. I clearly don't understand......... (NT) -- No name, 01:59:40 09/17/23 Sun Has there been a local pageant that had this kind of success is the question I guess. 7 winners of the local title went to state during the time this local pageant was heal. 5 win state crown. 1 is first runner up and 1 top ten. (NT) -- d..., 03:10:00 09/17/23 Sun This is the second time I've seen posters correcting others today. Both times, the OP's intent was obvious. What locals have produced five state winners? It's not that serious, y'all. (NT) -- No name, 17:18:23 09/20/23 Wed Held.. Pageant was held. (NT) -- d..., 06:25:39 09/17/23 Sun Wilkes-Barre Scranton was decades ago, d; give it up. (NT) -- No name, 08:39:40 09/17/23 Sun Were there other locals thar did that well? (NT) -- d..., 09:55:41 09/17/23 Sun You are good at this. Hiw dud you know that was rhe local? (NT) -- d..., 09:58:31 09/17/23 Sun NOW I understand. You were trying to say that over a period of time, this local produced the eventual state winner five different times. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:56 09/17/23 Sun Did not dud. (NT) -- d..., 11:39:33 09/17/23 Sun Miss Duneland in Indiana: 5 state titleholders with one becoming Miss America, at least 11 Top 10 and 4 others that made top 5 since 1991. (NT) -- No name, 14:55:13 09/20/23 Wed Have there been many locals to do this well or is thus maybe average for a local? (NT) -- d..., 19:54:32 09/19/23 Tue Dallas/Park Cities in TX has a similar reputation and history of success. (NT) -- No name, 20:02:15 09/19/23 Tue I don't think Virginia was the subject of this post but for a while Miss Arlington had quite the track record going. I would say they won at least 6-7 times over about a 15 year period. (NT) -- No name, 23:41:26 09/19/23 Tue There are a lot of factors that go into how well a girl does at state and, as a director, I'd say I'm about 10% responsible for that. The rest is ALL them. Back in the day directors played a bigger role in a titleholders year and success because resources weren't as available. So yeah, I've had state titleholders and runners up but the only thing I really did is give them a trip to state. The titleholders did all the work. (NT) -- No name, 12:54:33 09/21/23 Thu The Miss Metro St. Louis organization (which included other titles like Miss River City, Miss Forest Park and Miss Fleur de Lis) dominated Missouri for many years. Winning at least four times, 1RU 7-8 times and countless top 5 positions. One of their girls placed 2RU at Miss America. Once they disbanded, Miss MO was never the same. (NT) -- No name, 16:04:29 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: Does anyone know what the hold up is for Miss America?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:35:07 09/08/23 Fri Why is it taking so long to release the date? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Maybe the competition won’t even happen. (NT) -- No name, 21:43:40 09/08/23 Fri It’ll happen!! (NT) -- No name, 22:17:50 09/08/23 Fri Last year they announced the details for a late December pageant in mid-October. Not saying that's a great timeline -- it was close enough to raise a lot of doubt that it would happen -- but that's how it played out. (NT) -- No name, 12:44:29 09/09/23 Sat Robin wasn't able to get the AC Convention Hall or Ocean One Resort to accept her proposals for a Fall pageant. . Now she is looking at a December 31 or January 1st arrival in Florida. (NT) -- No name, 09:43:10 09/11/23 Mon This statement is interesting since Robin has told all the State Directors , for both Teen and Miss, the compeition would be the first week of January. So its interesting she changed her mind and was looking for a Fall date, especially since no music titles have been sent in or approved, no tracks have been submitte, there is not any National Paperwork online yet, etc. (NT) -- No name, 13:12:41 09/11/23 Mon Because that poster is talking out of his or her ass. It's in January like she always said it would be. (NT) -- No name, 00:05:48 09/12/23 Tue You make it sound like no one is managing anything. (NT) -- No name, 18:55:27 09/11/23 Mon Any lottery news? (NT) -- No name, 01:02:22 09/12/23 Tue They haven't even announced a date yet. Lottery seems far far off in the future. (NT) -- No name, 13:39:38 09/12/23 Tue Lottery is planned for next week (NT) -- No name, 18:07:52 09/12/23 Tue Would be nice to watch this year - was quite exciting, I missed it last year. Thank you to those who did share in real time. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:49 09/12/23 Tue Is Robin separating Prelims by categories? (NT) -- No name, 18:41:27 09/12/23 Tue Who knows, she changes her mind as much as Shantel. (NT) -- No name, 01:04:30 09/13/23 Wed Really? Has not appeared that way in our monthly calls. Do you even know what you are talking about? (NT) -- No name, 09:01:18 09/13/23 Wed What does that mean, "separating prelims by categories?" Thanks. (NT) -- No name, 09:08:24 09/13/23 Wed I have no idea but nationals has no problem requiring my local to pay the national fees as fast as I can. What a joke. (NT) -- No name, 11:48:37 09/13/23 Wed Fees? you mean the $100.00?? (NT) -- No name, 13:08:22 09/13/23 Wed Locals now pay fees to nationals/ Robin?? Another way to discourage what made the program great- the 'life' mentorship provided by volunteers at the local level and the relationships and community locals build. Seeing girls get married, have families, and the continued friendships between different generations of women. (NT) -- Locals were a community 'coming of age' ritual for young women., 13:21:21 09/13/23 Wed Yes! We pay $100 per competition so if you do Teen and Miss it's $200. And in this economy, I have enough trouble funding my program for them to take another $200 from us for some stupid-ass logos. Now we pay state and nationals fees, insurance fees, required sashes and crowns, required minimum scholarships to Miss not to mention venue fees, etc. I'd hang up my heels but there's no one to take it over because no one is stupid enough to be a director anymore. (NT) -- No name, 16:23:11 09/13/23 Wed Why do you even care if someone takes over since you hate your volunteer job so much? Quit. Lol. (NT) -- No name, 17:11:57 09/13/23 Wed That's what's funny - never said anything about HATING the organization. What I hate is CONSTANTLY CHANGING BULLSHIT and fees fees fees fees! Clearly you're not a director and if you are, you must be one of those who sits back and lets everyone do the dirty work like recruiting or donations. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:06 09/13/23 Wed I am a director and our State lowered our fees due to us paying the national license fee. Not to mention Robin had the crown price lowered drastically. I’m not sure what your complaint is (NT) -- No name, 18:01:57 09/13/23 Wed most in our state are upset about Rebel wear. It really isn't that expensive in my opinion. I bought several pieces for my contestants to share on pageant day if they don't want to buy their own (NT) -- some people just like to complain, 18:41:26 09/13/23 Wed I'd love to have an extra $500 laying around for fees and extra BS Rebel wear but I make sure my contestants and winners get a great pageant experience. You and I do things differently. (NT) -- No name, 11:19:08 09/14/23 Thu Tell all of that to Robin since you are That upset to post this on this message board (NT) -- No name, 11:50:45 09/14/23 Thu What is she going to do? Take my local? Nothing about what is happening now is good. We've paid her tons of money and still don't even know if Miss America will even happen. But again, she's happy to take our local money. (NT) -- No name, 14:55:56 09/14/23 Thu Tons of money? Honey, give me your Venmo I will give you 100.00. Poor thing (NT) -- No name, 15:52:59 09/14/23 Thu Thank you! I'll make sure and list you in the program book! I'll call you the "volunteer who you can tell doesn't have to do any fundraising or worry about anything except handing out programs" (NT) -- No name, 16:31:35 09/14/23 Thu Ha ha that’s funny but I just had my local and had over 30 girls and we awarded over $15k in cash scholarships. But thanks for the recognition (NT) -- No name, 17:20:21 09/14/23 Thu That is awesome - our state (Oregon) gave a whopping 10K to the winner (in kind is worthless to pay tuition). I think the most was 2018 (close to 20K) (NT) -- No name, 18:52:15 09/16/23 Sat Not the flunky that you are currently arguing with, but my question is this. Why are you still doing it. I can totally understand your frustration. I know the standard stock line is "I do it for the girls" but I seriously doubt that a 500.00 scholarship on the local level has really affected anyone that really wants to go to college all that much. Plus, MAO is so far removed than what we all originally signed up for. I'm just curious why you still stay involved? (NT) -- No name, 17:57:14 09/14/23 Thu Very good question. At this point it feels like an obligation. I've been involved for over 25 years and it's dying. I feel like if I step away, it will die even more. Debate all you want to but we all know the truth. Most "younger" people aren't stepping into roles like I did when I came into the program. They've got better things to do and I'm starting to feel like I do as well. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:12 09/15/23 Fri If you feel like the program is dying. YOU are what is wrong with the program. If you as a director do not believe in the program and believe it is alive you need to step away. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:08 09/15/23 Fri It actually needs to die to be reborn. It is so far away from what it used to be, it's just a shadow of it's former self. Maybe if it goes away completely for 2 -3 years it will be missed and someone with the ability to listen will pick up the mantle and it could be reincarnated. At this point, it's just a disorganized, disjointed mess. (NT) -- No name, 18:55:49 09/15/23 Fri NP- I am angered by how ridiculous your attack on this person is & that they had to endure it. What's wrong with the program is unthinking, illogical, and judgmental accusations like yours against people who care. Feeling like the program is dying has been the way it's been for the rational players here for YEARS. The MAO has been operating chaotically/ by the skin of their teeth since Sam. Volunteers are beyond the end of their rope waiting, hoping, praying, begging for six looooong years, that someone competent with a heart for the purpose of the program, take the reins and get it together, BC THEY LOVE THE PROGRAM. And here you are ragging on the Director who has been DOING IT for 25 YEARS with the nerve to BLAME HER attitude for it! We're tired. Tired of the incompetence, and BEYOND tired of people like you defending Sam's, Gretchen's, Shantell's and now Robin's lack of transparency to the pageant community, incompetence, and greed. (NT) -- And your ignorant advice to QUIT bc they believe it is dying is a self-fulfilling prophecy, 12:13:45 09/17/23 Sun HERE F****** HERE!!!! Thank you!!! This is 100% accurate - I'm just DAMN TIRED. Every year for the last 5-6 years when I start preparing for my pageant, it's new paperwork, new guidelines, new words I can't use, new scoring, ..... I'm tired of having to revamp EVERYTHING every year. I'm tired. (NT) -- No name, 11:50:50 09/18/23 Mon Sounds like Robin is forcing the girls to basically fund their own scholarships. Seems Robin cannot find any sponsors. -- No name, 19:09:56 09/13/23 Wed And where do you get that?? Girls do not pay a fee to compete anymore (NT) -- No name, 21:14:41 09/13/23 Wed But they can pay a fee if the state decides to have the contestants help pay the state fee that all states were expected to pay in a matter of a few days. We were a lucky state we only had to pay $5000 but who has that kind of money laying around to pay on a minutes notice, with the threat of Contracts, etc would not be sent until it was paid. So yes, I can see states passing along the fee's to the contestants to help out. (NT) -- No name, 22:36:12 09/13/23 Wed Correct, what pageant can anybody enter with no fee? The MAO is probably the cheapest of any pageant out there and has more to offer (NT) -- No name, 09:34:57 09/14/23 Thu More to offer? Like what exactly? (NT) -- No name, 09:48:13 09/14/23 Thu Seriously? The title of Miss America is more iconic than any pageant system. That alone makes it more to offer. (NT) -- No name, 13:43:52 09/14/23 Thu I love that lots of contestants, not just the winner, win scholarship (NT) -- Other pageants are winner takes all. and cost way more $$$, 13:58:45 09/14/23 Thu When it comes to national pageant experiences, I'd rather have an exciting week; be treated like royalty; have my accomplishments praised in public & perform for the delight of my friends and family; who get to enjoy a truly well produced, classy, entertaining program, where the pageant has a history and is supported by the city of Jackson. I'd rather experience Volunteer and lose than have the rules changed the minute I arrive; having to endure an uninspiring week of boring, poorly managed rehearsals; no fun side trips pageant week just rounds of $100 breakfasts families are expected to shell out for; while their friends & family pay Theatre ticket prices to see the worst show of their lives. If you win anything, it won't matter if you're out of school; otherwise, good luck getting paid. You've got a 1/51 chance for that iconic title, but a 50/51 chance for a very expensive, uninspired, half-baked pageant week at MA. (NT) -- No name, 20:20:28 09/17/23 Sun 😂 ok… (NT) -- No name, 22:34:09 09/17/23 Sun You clearly haven't seen Volunteer... or remember the black box. (NT) -- No name, 14:26:37 09/19/23 Tue I’ve watched Volunteer, what black box? (NT) -- No name, 21:48:35 09/20/23 Wed According to another post on this thread, Robin has enough money to run MAO for the next hundred years - so why does she need money from the states? -- No name, 12:56:22 09/14/23 Thu THANK YOU! (NT) -- No name, 14:38:59 09/15/23 Fri I have know her for many years and SHE has NO money of her own at all. Whomever is her backer has the money and I doubt that any business person, no matter how wealthy, would want to loose tons of money for very long! (NT) -- No name, 17:33:18 09/16/23 Sat Robin said she had enough $ to fund MAO for 100 more years. Who needs sponsors? (NT) -- No name, 19:44:38 09/13/23 Wed The excitement at her announcement is now mostly just sadness as to the future of this program. (NT) -- No name, 15:48:55 09/17/23 Sun Thank-you for the observation. -- No name, 19:40:36 09/17/23 Sun The lottery is one week from today. We should learn 1) what the dates are of the competition 2) how the prelims will run ? (NT) -- No name, 14:04:54 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: At our local, we are anticipating having 10 or more Miss contestants. Being that we now call out a top 5 with 10 or more and ask them a final question, what are some examples of questions that can be asked before the judges rank the top 5?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:35:49 09/21/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Do what a lot of locals do that I’ve judged- ask the judging panel to each write a question for the Top 5 after Private Interview. You can have them read the questions together as a group to make sure they’re equitable. (NT) -- No name, 06:26:06 09/21/23 Thu This is totally optional at a local. Not required to do a top 5 (NT) -- No name, 07:44:17 09/21/23 Thu I have never seen a local do this. (NT) -- No name, 08:04:09 09/21/23 Thu I've been a director for 15+ years and never done a top 5. I just read that "locals don't do a top 5 ballot and do not announce a top 5". (NT) -- No name, 12:46:53 09/21/23 Thu I read this on the MAO Script example on the MAO website. (NT) -- No name, 12:49:31 09/21/23 Thu According to the new guidelines for 2024, locals are required to call out a top 5 if they have 10 or more contestants. So, are you saying this is at the local's discretion? (NT) -- OP, 11:31:14 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: State Director Control
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:40:09 09/17/23 Sun I just read the book about the story of Miss IL 2012 and all the drama between her and her family and the state director's alleged role in causing that estrangement. It doesn't sound like the parents were much of a treat either, but I was just floored by the state director's role and the poor young woman who was caught in the middle, often in tears thinking she would lose her crown if she didn't abide. I'm curious. I'm from FL and I know that our girls used to move in with our state director to prep for Miss America and everything she did, said, ate, was allegedly very strictly controlled. This is horrible, obviously. It teaches the young women that they don't have a mind of their own and that others are in charge of them, which sets a very dangerous precedent in their future relationships. I'd bet there are more stories out there like Miss IL's. When did state directors get so much power over the girls? Has it always been the case? What happens if a girl doesn't move in with her director or doesn't do what the director says? Surely they can't legally take the crown, right? Is there some clause in the MAO contract that states girls have to abide by what the director says. I understand no girl wants to get a rep for being hard to manage and that it might affect her chances at Miss America if she does, but has a girl lost her state title due to a controlling state director? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We used to have some great Miss State Directors, like the Miss IL Director. Chet Welch was another great director, in addition to the Miss TN directors. (NT) -- No name, 14:02:08 09/17/23 Sun I was friend with Chet on social media and removed him when he made fun of girls for their size, types of photos etc. A good state director does not make fun of contestants. (NT) -- No name, 08:36:21 09/18/23 Mon Any care to say who was the Illinois state executive director and also to not confuse that with Chet, note that he ran Miss Pennsylvania. But besides that-- -- all this about an un-named Miss Illinois 2011 and cannot note Hannah Smith's name at all here?, 14:42:23 09/18/23 Mon The Board in my state is controlling and assure they have manageable contestants, never the top candidate. And at the parent meeting, the 100% told them that they would have to open their wallet for the year. Our title only goes to girls with family money. (NT) -- Super controlling and can’t fund scholarships or secure sponsors., 15:07:00 09/17/23 Sun That must be frustrating for the girls who compete without family support. (NT) -- No name, 17:05:06 09/19/23 Tue I’m not sure some realize that this is what has been said at the parent meeting. It’s desperation. They are trying to find families who will donate because they are too lazy to try and find sponsors. They want the attention but not the responsibilities. And this year there was a new producer. They old one brought donors, but was supposedly too mean. The new one was just as bad and when the girls complained. One of state ED’s told them they needed to know that in real jobs, they will have to deal with mean people and that’s just the way it is. No, you don’t get verbally demeaned by people and there are ones who worked full time who told them that isn’t true. (NT) -- Hardly any are coming back. But they have probably already picked who they want next year anyway., 21:55:22 09/20/23 Wed What book are you talking about? Title? Author? (NT) -- Looks like a good read, 15:30:07 09/17/23 Sun The book itself wasn't that great. Lots of grammatical errors and poor writing, but it's called Crown of Indoctrination. Parents of the girl are very right-wing according to the book and the girl was raised a certain way and rebelled. But by the time she won Miss IL, I was appalled by the director of the pageant who allegedly encouraged the separation from parents in the worst way. My heart broke for the young lady (NT) -- No name, 19:43:07 09/17/23 Sun who was the ,iss illinois (NT) -- No name, 20:00:01 09/17/23 Sun It was the 2011 titleholder. She competed the year Laura K won Miss America (NT) -- No name, 12:23:01 09/18/23 Mon Googles Miss IL 2011 (NT) -- No name, 15:25:49 09/18/23 Mon Wow that also sounds like it could be the title of a cult survivor! Like Waco or NXIM or whatever the name was.. the so called “self improvement” group that some actress was also part of. (NT) -- Thanks, 20:00:39 09/17/23 Sun Basically what we survived in our state. Y'all think this type of crazy isn't happening in a lot states, you have blinders on. (NT) -- No name, 19:21:12 09/18/23 Mon Volunteers & followers don't have blinders on- we're not on the inside! And no one ever legitimately speaks out about it, bc they're all afraid they'll be blackballed (bc they will). After Ohio's Oliveri arranged things for the 2021 pageant, the T10 banded together & submitted a 7 point detailed grievance addressing MAO rule & ethics violations with receipts (which were also posted online). Our strong, competent, conscientious leader at the time- Shantell, DID NOTHING. (NT) -- I learned selective enforcement- where the rules are only for who you don't like, from the MAO., 14:15:15 09/19/23 Tue You have some valid points there! That explain a lot! (NT) -- No name, 16:21:57 09/19/23 Tue Where may I find this 7-point grievance letter? (NT) -- No name, 21:04:09 09/19/23 Tue Your about a year late to the party! It was posted on Voyforums over a year ago. (NT) -- No name, 12:07:54 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: UNITED STATES OF BEAUTY MOCK TOP 16- MISS USA.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:44:39 09/20/23 Wed Here is the link to the video of Mock Top 16 for Miss USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTGq41_qhCQ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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when is the pageant (NT) -- No name, 22:27:59 09/20/23 Wed Friday, Sept. 29th on the CW. (NT) -- No name, 11:01:31 09/21/23 Thu

Subject: Who would you like to see compete in your state this season? (Name and state)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:50:31 09/20/23 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.....MISS VANESSA WILLIAMS
Author: Lovey Howell III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:31:58 09/17/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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40th Anniversary of the crowning of Vanessa -- Tim, 06:16:33 09/17/23 Sun Still stunning and one of my top 5 favorite Miss A's. (NT) -- Lee, 08:09:36 09/17/23 Sun ....Nice photos, but today is Vanessa's 40th Miss America anniversary......would it not have been appropriate to at least include a 1983 photo of her? (NT) -- Fan, 13:01:00 09/17/23 Sun ....Would it not have been appropriate to look for yourself? They are everywhere. (NT) -- No name, 10:02:55 09/20/23 Wed She should not have even been in the competition. She had already had an abortion. (NT) -- No name, 14:09:53 09/17/23 Sun Can you substantiate that allegation? If not, then STFU. (NT) -- No name, 16:25:21 09/17/23 Sun Vanessa stated this in an interview. (NT) -- No name, 19:23:33 09/17/23 Sun Your comment about "STFU" is uncalled for. Vanessa confessed in her book that she had an abortion prior to competing, and the night she won Miss Greater Syracuse, she got high on marijuana and Rolling Rock. She had lots of dark secrets that went beyond the photos. Some people say "so what?" while others say "she shouldn't have competed". Regardless, Vanessa has confessed to these things. (NT) -- No name, 22:19:22 09/17/23 Sun We can all disagree with her behavior as a competitor and titleholder, but you need to also talk your blinders off and understand that just because she was exposed on the photos and then outed herself on other behaviors, she’s not alone. There are girls competing in every system who party on the regular but just keep it hidden and sorry but keeping it hidden does not make it any better. Vanessa made choices that weren’t pure or of the MA standard but she’s not alone, she just carries the weight of it for all the others (NT) -- No name, 09:47:30 09/19/23 Tue Just at an arts fair where an artist displayed a Vanessa portrait. Turns out, he's a Syracuse grad & met her at a university function. He reports she's very nice (at Syracuse & also backstage at Kiss of the Spiderwoman). Yet he said Ramon was a dck, with the addendum he met him at a private school function both were specifically invited to. (NT) -- Sccop just learned in August, 14:18:04 09/17/23 Sun* Thank you for posting - beautiful photos of a beautiful woman. (NT) -- No name, 14:29:57 09/17/23 Sun (NT) -- Lovey Howell III, 21:52:07 09/17/23 Sun ....Nice color photo posted here of Miss America 1984, Vanessa Williams as the cover model on the cereal box of Kellogg's Corn Flakes. I am curious to know, while we do not see it in this picture, was the cereal's expiration date shown as July 23, 1984, by chance?? 😋 -- Besides Debra Sue Maffett (1983) and Vanessa Williams (1984) who else got on Corn Flakes?, 15:42:16 09/19/23 Tue https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/vanessa-williams-became-the-1st-black-miss-america-on-this-day-40-years-ago/ar-AA1gQptT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c8b3675fee6d42078f79d709bbb634e2&ei=94 (NT) -- No name, 22:43:42 09/17/23 Sun Child do you think no other Miss A contestant got high, drunk or had an abortion??? (NT) -- Lee, 08:41:32 09/18/23 Mon THANK YOU. The whole "she had an abortion and shouldn't have been in the competition" comment is so lame. It's totally moot at this point (especially 40 years later). (NT) -- No name, 09:59:53 09/18/23 Mon And does anyone here actually think that they would admit to it???? (NT) -- No name, 10:59:46 09/18/23 Mon You missed the point. All contestants at that time had to sign documents that they were never pregnant. I know that they were requiring notary signatures on Miss documents. She entered illegitimately when she signed documents with false information on them. No one would have known if she did not write her book. (NT) -- No name, 01:42:16 09/19/23 Tue And you missed the point as well - how many other contestants had already had abortions when they competed under those same rules who didn't admit it? To single out Vanessa Williams (who does more good for the program than bad BECAUSE of her beauty, talent and fame) is insane and reeks of racism and small minded pettiness. I sincerely doubt that very many contestants even read the contracts that they sign and have absolutely no idea what's in them. I applaud her honesty given how she was treated. The puritanical morality of the Miss America organization should have been purged long ago. (NT) -- No name, 12:41:27 09/19/23 Tue Given your "logic", I suppose you would find Marilyn VanDerbur disqualifying as well. (NT) -- No name, 10:49:10 09/20/23 Wed She proved time and time again why she deserved to be Miss America. I cant believe that the Republicans are still upset a black woman won Miss America. It was a shock to them. LOL (NT) -- Long live the Queen Vanessa!, 12:00:22 09/19/23 Tue Your comment is ridiculous. I am a Republican and I had Vanessa and Suzette as my top 2 that night. You just had to go there and get politically divisive, didn't ya? (NT) -- No name, 14:45:54 09/19/23 Tue What an absolute idiot you are. What in the hell does political party have to do with a pageant? Some of you are so f'ed up you never be normal. (NT) -- No name, 16:04:31 09/19/23 Tue

Subject: Miss USA is a few weeks away. Predictions?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:00:19 09/12/23 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Top 15 - NC, SC, UT, TX, LA, VA, MS, NV, AR, CA, FL, GA, WI, IL, MO (NT) -- No name, 01:06:42 09/13/23 Wed Since The CW has been blacked out on DirecTV, can you stream it on their website, Miss USA website? (NT) -- No name, 06:40:00 09/13/23 Wed Still no headshots on the website... (NT) -- No name, 12:58:25 09/13/23 Wed CA, DC, FL, HI, KY, MD, MO, NE, NY, OH, PA, SC, UT, VA, WI (NT) -- No name, 14:05:34 09/13/23 Wed My prediction is that it will be a hot mess. No ticket info. No contestant photos. The casino website has no information about it. Teen pageant Finals still no time chosen. No hosts. No judges. 1st ticketed event two weeks from today (NT) -- No name, 15:27:49 09/13/23 Wed So they're basically MAO? (NT) -- No name, 16:20:13 09/13/23 Wed NY is basically a Universe material. She has over 110,000 followers in her personal Instagram. (NT) -- No name, 20:06:43 09/13/23 Wed She’s hot. Period. NY winning would be a great comeback for Briana Siaca not placing at all last year. (NT) -- No name, 20:11:43 09/13/23 Wed Would love that! Her NYUSA crowning was much like MAOT 2018 when no one hugged or clapped for the winner! (NT) -- No name, 20:38:33 09/13/23 Wed I think NY USA will be the ruthie of the pageant. So hyped but won't do anything, (NT) -- No name, 11:14:01 09/18/23 Mon OP, correct me if I’m wrong, but the point of this post was to find out who your personal Top 15 is for Miss USA 2023. (NT) -- No name, 20:09:45 09/13/23 Wed Correct. Right now, I have New York for sure and am liking Indiana more and more. 13 spots left. (NT) -- No name, 14:36:49 09/14/23 Thu You are correct to keep an eye on Indiana. She is beautiful, smart, fit and loves the camera (as she should). (NT) -- No name, 16:31:48 09/14/23 Thu when is it (NT) -- No name, 21:26:00 09/14/23 Thu September 29 in Reno, Nevada. It will be on the CW and the first time since 2019 to be back on primetime. The Teen will be streamed on CW Plus. (NT) -- No name, 23:17:34 09/14/23 Thu Will Miss USA be streamed? DirecTV has blacked out CW, NBC, etc.? (NT) -- No name, 11:17:44 09/16/23 Sat Top 5 Nevada, North Dakota, Illinois, California, Nevada (NT) -- No name, 12:47:06 09/15/23 Fri Nevada must be awesome if she can win and come in 4th! ;) (NT) -- No name, 14:36:05 09/15/23 Fri I dunno, since she had two (2) spots in the Top 5 ... (NT) -- No name, 15:42:35 09/18/23 Mon Tom’s page of Miss Universe Mania has posted its first prethoughts. (NT) -- His tentative top five: Nevada, North Carolina, Illinois, California, North Dakota, 19:02:07 09/16/23 Sat I also have ny and top five Colorado. Nevada, utah, and Wisconsin. The rest are Florida, Massachusetts. SC,Louisiana, Georgia, RI, virginia,Missouri. Connecticut, and maine (NT) -- No name, 10:27:53 09/18/23 Mon It's going to be T20, then T13, then T5 (confirmed by Morgan Romano who is the current Miss USA). My 13 are DC, FL, GA, IL, IA, NE, NV, NY, OH, RI, SD, UT, VA. (NT) -- No name, 10:58:26 09/18/23 Mon How odd is that? In the States, 13 is an unlucky #. Is it different for the Thai owner? (NT) -- No name, 15:32:51 09/18/23 Mon There are 13 stripes on the American flag, one for each of the 13 original colonies. Nothing unlucky about that. (NT) -- No name, 20:47:55 09/19/23 Tue Very nice. I like that! (NT) -- No name, 21:53:55 09/19/23 Tue

Subject: Did She Do Something Wrong?
Author: ajw1980 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:26:44 09/18/23 Mon I re-watched the 1993 Pageant which this marks the 30th year Kim Aiken was Crowned. This is regarding Leanza. What if any, was the specific reason why she wasn't mentioned until right before the top 5 was called nor did she get to walk down the runway. Just curious [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Leanza was offered a Broadway contract in Grease. She turned that down to work for Entertainment Tonight in Los Angeles. MAO was unhappy. But, she sang beautifully each night of the preliminary shows. (NT) -- No name, 14:27:44 09/18/23 Mon ....Well, it did not help matters when the 1993 Miss America production crew put together an entire "Grease" opening number for the 1993 pageant telecast since it had just been announced that outgoing Miss America 1993, Leanza Cornett, won a role in a Broadway revival of Grease, then only to learn just before the pageant she accepted a hosting job with Entertainment Tonight. -- Leanza Cornett got a dream job (that lasted just one year) and a husband---Mark Steines when at ET., 14:36:42 09/18/23 Mon They assumed she was taking the role that was offered. She had every right to look elsewhere in her job search. She will be a former Miss America and she could do what she wanted. I'm very happy to see her come back to the fold in her later years. (NT) -- No name, 19:50:41 09/18/23 Mon Guess that explains why the following year 1994, Kim Was the first one shown and in the opening # (NT) -- No name, 16:12:50 09/18/23 Mon Leanza was ALWAYS one of my favorites, so I hate that this happened. I also hate that they did that Grease-inspired opening.......it was BAD! -- I remember, 19:20:00 09/18/23 Mon Another factor about the Kim Aiken pageant- Scott Salmon who had been doing the choreography for thw MA pageant since the Susan Akin pageant, tragically died in an automobile accident on July 17, 1993, just 2 months before the pageant. MA used Salmon's death to then fire John Koushouris, 32 year producer of the pageant, and 4 days later on July 21, 1993, MA hired Jeff Margolis. So, there was a lot going on, not just Leanza taking the job with Entertainment Tonight. Leonard Horn was furious, thus Leanza never appeared in the pageant until around 1 hour 42 minutes, and no final walk, just a hightlight reel standing with Regis & Kathie Lee. (NT) -- No name, 20:14:25 09/18/23 Mon Sorry, it was 1 hour 26 minutes into the pageant before we saw Leanza. (NT) -- No name, 20:24:40 09/18/23 Mon http://www.brownetrading.com/wp-content/uploads/New-Zealand-chef-Geoff-Scott-gets-his-hands-on-one-of-King-Salmon%E2%80%99s-supersize-Tyee.jpg -- ....interesting....here I thought Scott Salmon was the name of a fish found in Idaho!!!, 12:16:48 09/19/23 Tue Didnt care for the 2 at a time walk intro of the contestants, seem to have taken forever. That was the only year that the current Miss America wasnt even mentioned till almost the end. She didnt look that happy when she came out either. (NT) -- No name, 13:51:08 09/19/23 Tue

Subject: Have you noticed? All the states’ social media is using titles, not headshots.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:09:15 09/12/23 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes, this was a change made by the org back in like July or something. -- Nt, 01:55:34 09/12/23 Tue Why? (NT) -- No name, 09:02:20 09/12/23 Tue So everyone has the same branding and it is easily recognized (NT) -- No name, 11:01:48 09/12/23 Tue no headshots How strange (NT) -- No name, 23:18:38 09/12/23 Tue I think it makes total sense for branding. A person knows what system they are looking at when they click into the profile. (NT) -- No name, 11:29:43 09/19/23 Tue Does anyone recognize the brand or what it stands for? I am a fan of fifty years and I am not sure that I know. (NT) -- No name, 11:38:07 09/19/23 Tue Well hopefully at the Miss America pageant---the judges will only know the 51 contestants by numbers both on stage and on their contestant biographies and -- the judges' interview profile books....see if that prevents so called "big-state" advantage or bias., 12:22:04 09/19/23 Tue

Subject: It's Not Easy Bein' Green

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Date Posted: 12:05:15 09/19/23 Tue

As the famed 1970 song goes by Kermit the Frog, "It's Not Easy Bein' Green"...well, tell that to actress and former Miss Teen All-American 1985 pageant winner Halle Berry. She is now back in the news and surely on today's episode of Inside Edition.

Halle Berry learned what it was like to be green at the nationally televised 2012 Kids Choice Awards show when she got the green slime treatment, that now-former friend (?) and singer Drake is making hyped news about.

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/halle-berry-says-drake-used-235350429.html

http://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/qeExFy7FyGC_CC9BaTldQA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTE1NTE7Y2Y9d2VicA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/e__181/d8741a101d962b2e8e7742a5eac93b65

And to think, after seeing this, she was our United States representative to the 1986 Miss World pageant after the then-Miss Ohio-USA 1986 was the first runner-up in the 1886 Miss USA pageant!! At least she stuck to her winning blue-sequin gown and not wearing a green one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51BQfPeSK8k

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Subject: Miss Texas Local Preliminary Winners:
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:56:26 09/17/23 Sun Miss Dallas: Danielle Ball Miss Park Cities: Kennedy Hardeman 1st RU: Avy Taylor Interview: Danielle Ball Talent: Karrington Bennett Evening Gown: Danielle Ball Congeniality: Danielle Ball Miss Ft Worth: Cassidy Scott Miss Coppell: Haylee Chiariello 1st RU: Lilly Dale Interview: Cassidy Scott Evening Gown: Haylee Chiariello Fitness: Haylee Chiariello Miss Plano: Sadie Schiermeyer Miss Richardson: Elizabeth Smith 1st RU: Chloe Hawpe Talent: Sadie Schiemeyer Evening Gown: Sadie Schiermeyer Miss San Antonio: Katya Lopez Miss Austin: Rebecca Giuntoli 1st RU: Abby Alcozar Miss Southlake: Annette Addo-Yobo Miss Westlake: Austin Douglas 1st RU: Grace Shoop Interview: Annette Addo-Yobo Talent: Austin Douglas Evening Gown: Annette Addo-Yobo Miss Southeast Texas: Anyssa Mujica 1st RU: McKenzie Connelly 2nd RU: Sarah Swift 3rd RU: Lily Dale Talent: Anyssa Mujica Fitness: Anyssa Mujica Congeniality: Anyssa Mujica [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Congratulations! (NT) -- No name, 14:08:20 09/17/23 Sun So far only one contestant from the Top Ten has returned?? Annette was last years Miss Dallas, and is now Miss Southlake. Curious why we haven’t seen other top ten or top five. Are contestants not allowed to compete until they give up their local title? (NT) -- Hoping to see more return. Thought this was a good pageant this year!, 15:35:49 09/17/23 Sun It has been said that so many of these returning Miss are waiting to do the At Large Option. We will see as Texas only has a few more locals listed for Girls to compete in. (NT) -- No name, 09:04:03 09/18/23 Mon Can girls compete in Volunteer then go to MAO Miss TX at large? How much does it cost, guesstimate, to go at large to TX? (NT) -- Were there any at large contestants this year? If so, who? How did they fare?, 22:19:41 09/18/23 Mon Will Texas have an At Large option? My state is not (NT) -- No name, 09:01:38 09/19/23 Tue Miss Grapevine: Courtney Kennerson \| Miss Colleyville: McKenzie Connelly \| 1st Ru: Chloe Hawpe \| 2nd Ru: Alex Steele \| Talent: Courtney Kennerson \| Evening Gown: Courtney Kennerson (NT) -- No name, 08:53:53 09/18/23 Mon McKenzie Connelly Competed in Miss LA; Anyssa Mujica Competed in Miss IN; Danielle Ball Competed in Miss FL; Austin Douglas Competed in Miss WA; Haylee Chiariello Competed in Miss OK. (NT) -- No name, 08:59:49 09/18/23 Mon Who, of this years top 12, have aged out? Any of the top five? Surprised to see only one of the top semeifinalists, return, and no return of runners ups. Any going to Volunteer? (NT) -- Has TX ever had a year in which none of the previous runners up return?, 22:07:24 09/18/23 Mon Jordan Johnson a top 10 from last year is competing in Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 22:15:54 09/18/23 Mon

Subject: New Leadership Survey
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:26:15 09/14/23 Thu The Big Three: Miss America, Miss USA & Miss Universe have all welcomed new leadership in the past year. Of the three: A) Who is doing the best job? B) What specifically have they done that you like? C) If you could give a piece of advice to one of the other two, What you would your suggestion be? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss Universe has turned into nothing more than a woke social media display of Transvestites, fat unattractive women, and more recently disgusting pregnant women and even worse old women. No one wants to see any of that. Crystal Stewart ruined miss USA and the new director has not done anything yet but she did get it on tv. I hope Robyn goes back to the roots of miss America. Too many fat old looking unattractive winners. Bring back swimsuits and remove all this talking. Listening to these girls bable about nothing is ridiculous. (NT) -- Vegas, 22:54:28 09/14/23 Thu Hummmm I can guess who you are. (NT) -- Disgusting pregnant women? Something VERY wrong with you., 00:01:27 09/15/23 Fri Exactly. No one wants to see a woman who is pregnant or has been pregnant competing against someone who has not. Get a clue (NT) -- Vegas, 11:11:52 09/16/23 Sat How would you know if someone has been pregnant? Do they have a look? They are still a Miss if they aren’t married. (NT) -- Aren’t you a dude? A woman wouldn’t say that., 01:42:05 09/17/23 Sun You should hear the way Jeff talks about the Miss WI contestants. Sounds like what he posts here, too. Disgusting. Year after year. (NT) -- No name, 12:07:41 09/17/23 Sun You lost me at “woke.” (NT) -- Go back to Truth Social, 20:55:53 09/15/23 Fri I see Miss USA is offering Free Admission to all its upcoming shows. Bravo to that director. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:26 09/15/23 Fri Time will tell, but it appears that the tickets are listed as "free" only because they aren't yet available for sale, two weeks before the night of the Miss finals.. (NT) -- No name, 18:36:14 09/15/23 Fri They are probably offering free tickets to fill up empty seats. -- No name, 18:38:40 09/15/23 Fri The directors and contestants are not happy (NT) -- No name, 07:08:13 09/16/23 Sat Confused, people aren't happy that they are going to the events free? (NT) -- No name, 09:34:47 09/16/23 Sat No one is going for free. Tickets are not on sale yet. (NT) -- Vegas, 14:55:51 09/16/23 Sat I was there last year and it might have been 25% full, free tickets would be great (NT) -- No name, 22:41:25 09/18/23 Mon All of these new leaders are having real problems (NT) -- No name, 16:04:58 09/16/23 Sat Crazy thing miss world as twisted as Julia Morley is has progressed right on along. And still manages to attract and crown beautiful women. Though that Jamaican girl was not. (NT) -- Vegas, 17:06:11 09/16/23 Sat I was just thinking the same thing tonight. Miss World consistently crowns the most beautiful young women and didn't think Toni Singh was beautiful enough for Miss World and maybe it was her singing that gave her that extra attention she needed. Catriona Grey wasn't beautiful enough to become Miss World but became Miss Universe. Miss World is more about facial beauty and I don't think Catriona is that beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 23:43:00 09/16/23 Sat Cat looks like a pug dog. She and Taryn (south Africa)were top tier at miss universe but Taryn was facially and academic stronger. Cat is not a true Filipina but they love eurocentric Asians. I will say cat is more appealing than Pia. I'm just glad Anne put a stop to the Philippines always making the cut. 90 percent of those girls had buck teeth and couldn't talk to save their lives. (NT) -- Vegas, 23:06:09 09/17/23 Sun Pretty good series. But I am confused they showed all attractive miss America's and formers. This made me want to compete. But this is not miss America. 90 percent of miss America at the national level look like they are 60. (NT) -- Vegas, 23:36:40 09/17/23 Sun Hopefully Anne will put a stop to USA making the cut. Since Olivia win in 2012, only a handful actually should have made the cut. Deshauna, Chestlie,Elle, Asya, Sarah, Kara and Erin had no business winning USA let along making the cut. (NT) -- Vegas, 23:37:24 09/17/23 Sun Why? (NT) -- No name, 00:03:40 09/18/23 Mon Are you kidding me? Chestlie and Elle cancelled each other out and Chestlie looked ridiculous at miss universe. Deshauna and Kira are both unattractive. Summer rose is a ditz. But when you allow members of the miss universe organization to select who gets in you get horrible results. The past miss universe was the most fair but it's fairly certain that both Philippines and Thailand are getting in. (NT) -- Vegas, 18:48:59 09/18/23 Mon You did not explain your “reasoning” for the other title holders you mentioned (NT) -- No name, 19:14:56 09/18/23 Mon Kira is gorgeous (NT) -- No name, 23:47:46 09/18/23 Mon They are all doing a HORRIBLE job! They are just looking for ways to make money in a dyng business. Pageantry is lost forever and reinventing it this was is a HUGE JOKE and embarrasing! (NT) -- No name, 17:24:57 09/16/23 Sat

Subject: After 40 years, they are still....."Going For It"
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:08:49 09/17/23 Sun It was on this day, exactly 40 years ago, Saturday, September 17, 1983, that 50 young women from all around the nation went to Atlantic City, New Jersey with the hopes of being named Miss America 1984....or at least a good chance at some big money at the casinos!! Even before they arrived, it was almost a foregone conclusion, and surely once Miss New Jersey, Suzette Charles was called as first runner-up, leaving six women remaining on stage, that Miss New York, Vanessa Williams would be named Miss America, and also make history as the first black woman to be crowned. Not only did Vanessa become the first black to win the coveted crown, but she was also the first black to win double preliminary awards (swimsuit and talent), and the first black to win the talent preliminary without being tied with another contestant (like Miss Washington 1980, Janelle Hayes, tied with Mis Oklahoma 1980, Susan Powell for the talent honors): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_America_1984 It was also the year for four blacks to compete in the same Miss America pageant, the most ever at that point: Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and North Carolina; and also a Latina, Miss South Carolina. And the 1983 Miss America pageant had three women who would hold a national pageant title later in 1984.....Vanessa, then Suzette assuming the Miss America title in July 1984, and also Miss New Mexico, Mai Therese Shanley became Miss USA on May 17, 1984----coincidentally all there were consecutive three in the 1983 Miss America parade of states: New Jersey, New Mexico, and New York. It could also be said that Vanessa's groundbreaking racial victory help propel the majority black city of Washington to bring back the Miss District of Columbia pageant, which had not sent a delegate since the 1963 pageant (interestingly, of all things, that year Rosanne Tueller was a double preliminary winner who won first runner-up honors. You would think after that amazing accomplishment, the best since 1956 and 1944, that the D.C. pageant would be held in 1964). As the 1983 Miss America entrants sang (or perhaps lip-synching) the Glenn and Edna Osser opening number "Go For It", it was one of the best produced Miss America pageants---even if the media and those in Atlantic City all knew full well who would end-up experiencing "Happy Days" that weekend in Atlantic City!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4-flo2SNzs Congratulations and happy 40th anniversary to Vanessa and all of the 49 other women who made that year's Miss America pageant a delight to remember--and watch--on video four decades later!!! Quiz for those born before the 1980s, where were you exactly 40 years ago on Saturday, September 17, 1983? . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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so is the pageant going to be on the CW or not? (NT) -- No name, 16:31:19 09/17/23 Sun Sorry, that is for Miss America. Miss USA will air on the CW. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:20 09/17/23 Sun To be completely honest, I didn't know what all the hoop-la was about Vanessa. Yes, she is a beautiful woman, but the night of the competition I didn't care for either of her gown choices, her hair looked strange to me, and I thought her talent was good, but nothing exceptional. After Suzette got done singing, she was my choice. I thought she was fabulous. (NT) -- No name, 17:20:15 09/17/23 Sun Suzette didn’t have the stage presence or star power that Vanessa had. Wonderful voice for sure but gown and as were average. Vanessa was top 2-3 in all the onstage categories. OH and MS were the other 2 who were the high scores in the gown/ss categories. Pam Battles was solidly top 5 in all categories. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:01 09/17/23 Sun Vanesssa Williams was of course beautiful and talented, but she also had CHARISMA! (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 17:58:44 09/17/23 Sun I had to have the Pageant recorded for me on Betamax. I was the best man at my sister's wedding. They're celebrating their 40th tonight. They have two kids, a boy who became a doctor and a girl who became a nurse practioner. I remain known as the good uncle who spoiled them, and still do it. (NT) -- No name, 21:07:46 09/17/23 Sun

Subject: Miss National Sweetheart finals
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:46:31 09/03/23 Sun Those named in the top ten tonight, include: Representatives from: Tennessee, Hawaii, Missouri, Kentucky, California, Texas, Indiana, Ohio, North Carolina, and Alabama. Anyone care to keep track of those named for special awards to post here, and then the top five, and final results? What time did the live show in Hoopeston start tonight (using eastern or Hoopeston/Central time)? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Top 5: Kentucky Texas Alabama Indiana California. Non finalist talent - Alaska (NT) -- No name, 21:54:30 09/03/23 Sun Award -- No name, 21:57:09 09/03/23 Sun Who is the winner? What was her history in pageants? (NT) -- No name, 22:16:57 09/03/23 Sun Congeniality/ Alabama People’s choice - Hawaii Costume winner - North Carolina 4ru Indians 3ru Texas 2ru Kentucky 1ru Alabama Winner California -- No name, 22:01:18 09/03/23 Sun Congratulations Miss California! (NT) -- LucidDreams, 23:27:46 09/03/23 Sun Kentucky and Indiana are so pissed they didn’t win lol (NT) -- No name, 22:02:48 09/03/23 Sun KY is not even from KY - she’s from TN (NT) -- No name, 12:29:17 09/04/23 Mon She lives in KY.. she attends school in TN.. it’s in the state line. She’s legit. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:12 09/04/23 Mon Was she a Runner up in KY last year at KY Volunteer???? I do not remember her. (NT) -- No name, 14:52:21 09/04/23 Mon No she was not. Did she go to school in Tennessee as a teen? Because she was a Tennessee teen titleholder in 2020 (NT) -- No name, 16:17:53 09/04/23 Mon Well besides Kentucky's representative at last week's 2023 Miss National Sweetheart pageant in Hoopeston......which other national contestants -- came from other states and where are they originally from?, 12:34:24 09/06/23 Wed Kentucky was rude throughout the week and acted like she had won the while thing after her prelim wins. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:03 09/07/23 Thu Award -- No name, 22:09:06 09/03/23 Sun Results -- —, 09:28:27 09/04/23 Mon Congratulations to all of sweethearts. Lovely to see this special event continue. Great job to the MVA Org for building a partnership with NSP! (NT) -- No name, 09:31:59 09/04/23 Mon Now that the national pageant in Hoopeston is over......how many women total had competed on stage? And did they award any special awards in the name of the pageant's co-director -- Clifford “Cliff” Odell Crabtree II, who suddenly died at 55 on March 21, 2022,, 12:44:50 09/05/23 Tue Congratulations to the contestants and thank you to Hoopeston. (NT) -- No name, 03:53:47 09/07/23 Thu Congratulations to the (how many) contestants who competed in Hoopeston?? -- Fan, 09:56:51 09/07/23 Thu 19 (NT) -- No name, 15:21:12 09/11/23 Mon Kentucky Sweetheart is now Miss Kentucky Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 01:07:56 09/10/23 Sun No surprise there. Only 2 contestants. The girls in KY are tired. (NT) -- No name, 10:18:49 09/10/23 Sun LOL...2 contestants? All the hype about this system...and 2 contestants...Pathetic. (NT) -- No name, 12:15:58 09/10/23 Sun Well the obvious thing is----who was the other contestant? But nevermind that----why so early----her 2024 nationals for Miss Volunteer America is not until next May......Volunteer state contests (whatever size they are, from two gals to 42 entrants) should be held -- December 2023 to March 2024....that is early and plenty enough time to prepare for nationals., 12:30:28 09/10/23 Sun No losers there. Winner represents KY at Volunteer Nationals. KY runner up represents KY at Sweetheart (NT) -- No name, 14:35:21 09/10/23 Sun The runner up did not represent ky this year at sweetheart, soo (NT) -- No name, 15:12:21 09/10/23 Sun Reading is fundamental. You should go back and reread ALL of the posts. Sooo... (NT) -- No name, 13:32:25 09/11/23 Mon Maybe you should re-read. This years KY Sweetheart entry was NOT a runner up at KY Volunteer pageant last year. Who is to say they will not pick some random like this year instead of the 1st runner up. -- No name, 17:07:52 09/11/23 Mon A top 10 with only 13 contestants? Yeeesh (NT) -- No name, 12:53:33 09/11/23 Mon there were 20 contestants (NT) -- No name, 13:33:10 09/13/23 Wed Sweetheart associating themselves with volunteer was the worst thing they could have done. Volutneer is a hot mess as is and now look at what sweetheart has become. (NT) -- No name, 14:08:42 09/11/23 Mon You haven't followed Sweetheart long then to know the numbers and history. Volunteer has been with them two years that really isn't long enough to establish themselves (NT) -- No name, 14:39:13 09/11/23 Mon Volunteer is amazing! It put up a great national pagent, that most were actually excited to watch! Not sure why your going so negative on something so positive! Volunteer is the hottest pagent system in the galaxy! (NT) -- No name, 14:50:00 09/11/23 Mon Lol now that’s funny, it was like watching a pageant from 1983. A winner with no talent but perfect in looks (NT) -- No name, 15:28:16 09/11/23 Mon Agree. For me, it was also like watching a vanity project for the owners. That said - different strokes for different folks. (NT) -- No name, 15:40:39 09/11/23 Mon How is that any different from most of the state pageants? Miss Georgia made the Top 10. (NT) -- No name, 19:18:48 09/11/23 Mon How was the talent at sweetheart this year? (NT) -- No name, 23:29:09 09/12/23 Tue I know yours was an innocent question, but can Volunteer's quality of talent really be questioned when Miss America is valuing/ scoring talent at 20%? (NT) -- No name, 13:37:50 09/13/23 Wed OK, didn't read that right. But since Sweethearts are Volunteer girls, it still holds. My point- Miss America's distinguishers were talent & service. We can no longer say that about talent at 20%-- in fact, Volunteer now weights talent HIGHER than the MAO! MA has also turned away from service, eliminating the state academic & comm service scholarships and who knows if there will be any side scholarships at MA this year (if there is one). (NT) -- No name, 13:49:48 09/13/23 Wed Not really, but they problem is many Volunteer pageants are held in July, August, and September. The deadline for Sweetheart is July 1. This means those state in July-September/October are almost having to wait a year to compete in Sweetheart. Here is a scenario...Lets say AL Volunteer signs their 2023 st RU to compete in 2024 Sweetheart. Her money is paid, the Sweetheart July 1 date passes and then later in July the same AL VOlunteer 1st RU competes in AL Volunteer and wins...what does AL do now? Its too late to send another contestants, so no one represents that state (NT) -- Volunteer fan, 19:10:51 09/17/23 Sun

Subject: Who is this years oldest and youngest contestant?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:54:50 09/06/23 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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....of what? (NT) -- ., 16:14:16 09/06/23 Wed Who is the oldest and youngest Miss titleholders this year competing at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 16:38:59 09/06/23 Wed wiki has ages at crowning .. need birthdates to determine ages at Miss A (and a Miss A date) (NT) -- No name, 16:59:56 09/06/23 Wed Are they accurate? (NT) -- No name, 08:36:50 09/07/23 Thu yes (NT) -- No name, 00:21:02 09/08/23 Fri Oldest to compete this year will definitely include OK and DC. Both "aged back in." Pretty sure that OK was 27 at crowning and would imagine that DC was as well. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. (NT) -- No name, 18:11:46 09/06/23 Wed Oklahoma is the oldest to my belief. She turned 28 right after she was crowned. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:42 09/06/23 Wed Oregon is 28 (NT) -- No name, 19:08:06 09/06/23 Wed Do you think the older age will help or hurt these contestants? (NT) -- No name, 19:31:19 09/06/23 Wed I think they should be ready to respond to the question, "Why are you doing this instead of developing your career five years after college, like most of your peers are doing?" I was a tough judge. I once asked an aerobics instructor how aerobic exercise is different than anaerobic exercise. She couldn't answer the question. Afterward, she told the contestants awaiting their interviews I was a mean judge. You should know of what you're speaking! (NT) -- No name, 19:53:24 09/06/23 Wed Sounds like you were a condescending judge. These ladies are well into their careers. (NT) -- No name, 20:33:20 09/06/23 Wed Lol! I hope they didn't have a degree in sports medicine or exercise science! That would reflect really badly on the school! If they put it on the pagent paperwork, it's fair game! They should expect to be asked about everything! It's called being a good judge! (NT) -- No name, 22:20:34 09/06/23 Wed That was a great way to trip her up, glad you did it. I'm sure you were quite proud of yourself. Reminds me of the "euthanasia" question back in the eighties and nineties that tripped so many up. (NT) -- No name, 08:17:23 09/07/23 Thu People get such a bur up their tush because of this and I don't understand it. Don't put something on your OWN paperwork that you really do not KNOW. It's that simple. It goes back to one of my first judging workshops, and it was great advice. If you put it on your paperwork, then you better look like it and sound like it. You are in complete CONTROL of your own paperwork....or you actually were NOT in control of your paperwork if someone else wrote it for you. You should have at least looked and known what was ON said paperwork. And if you claim to have danced 15 years with the Russian ballet, you should probably look like it. If you claim to have sung and trained since the age of 4 to be a vocalist, it's going to be disappointing if you don't sound like it. Solution? If you're worried - then DO NOT say that on your paperwork. (NT) -- Odd - I think the judge found what you're supposed to find - whether someone is fake or not., 10:17:57 09/07/23 Thu I’m going to clarify. I believe you should ask what’s on the paperwork. I just didn’t see the reason for actually a candidate about why she isn’t “advancing” in her career and instead competing. (NT) -- No name, 11:24:48 09/07/23 Thu asking (NT) -- No name, 11:25:57 09/07/23 Thu* Actually, the paperwork is used to spark CONVERSATION, not a quiz. You're a horrible judge if you use it in order to play "Gotcha" with the girls (NT) -- No name, 23:06:42 09/07/23 Thu Well there are all kinds of ways to look at it, aren't there? Not really though. I say if you wrote something, you should know what you wrote. And I think if someone else wrote it for you, you should know what's on there because you willingly let it represent you and who you are. If your platform is XYZ then you should know XYZ. But, girls who hope their beauty shines through hope their paperwork sparks all kinds of conversation about things that are not on there but are easier to talk about. There's a system for those girls - USA. Nothing wrong with it, but it's the wrong skill set. If you get tough questions, it's because 99.9% of the time you're doing a good job and having a good interview. If you came out of interview and think you did great, but - the questions were all about fun things and your interests, most of the time you can hang it up. No one wants to hear about all the reasons your favorite color is Magenta. (NT) -- Or, maybe I'm a good judge, with 11 girls who won state + mocked 3 women who became Miss America., 08:34:11 09/08/23 Fri This is solid information! (NT) -- No name, 17:00:59 09/09/23 Sat Well, how rude! Why would you mock 3 women who became Miss America? How mean! What did you say? "Ha ha....you have a bad interview. You will NEVER be Miss America! Now, be gone!" Well, I guess they showed you. (NT) -- Rose Nylund, 08:59:57 09/15/23 Fri you are joking right? you do know "mock" is mock interview... (NT) -- No name, 13:49:17 09/15/23 Fri You do know who "Rose Nylund" is, don't you? (NT) -- No name, 14:04:00 09/15/23 Fri LOL (NT) -- No name, 14:05:07 09/15/23 Fri No, but Google is my friend. Golden Girls ended four years before I was born. (NT) -- No name, 22:03:00 09/15/23 Fri Putting something on your paperwork and trick questions are very different things. This is the dumbest response I have ever seen here, attempting to justify a trick question. (NT) -- No name, 08:08:25 09/14/23 Thu Example: Someone's platform is clean energy and advocating for EVs (that's Electric Vehicles). Judge: "I feel like we hear about Oil and Gas running out or being a scarce resource, constant pricing battles. What is the availability of Lithium batteries like? Is it like Oil and Gas, where we could run out and have to figure out another source all over again?" Now - some people will claim that I'm not getting to know the girl, and this is an extremly dangerous trick question. You can decide if that's a fair question or not if someone is a proponent of EVs - and they are an advocate of such presumably because they care enough about it to know the subject. Now, I would not ask such a question if a Director says in orientation - we don't care about platforms, we just want a nice girl. But a Director is not likely to say that. They are more likely to say they want a threat to win State. (NT) -- No name, 08:49:47 09/14/23 Thu That wasn't the 80s and 90s. That was as recent as 2013 and Miss Calfornia thought euthenasia was a vaccine. (NT) -- No name, 20:09:36 09/07/23 Thu It was in the eighties and nineties because I witnessed it, but thanks for reminding that it happened as late as 2012 (NT) -- No name, 07:48:14 09/08/23 Fri I was horrified at that! I would have said “I personally believe that we need to support the youth in Asia and the Africa and everywhere such as because they don’t have maps “. I’d at least show a sense of humor and not the brain dead person I was. (NT) -- No name, 01:10:31 09/09/23 Sat In Oklahoma's case, she HAS career, a teacher so you might want to rethink that question (NT) -- No name, 01:41:33 09/09/23 Sat DE was 28 when she was crowned (NT) -- No name, 12:40:12 09/07/23 Thu How do we find out the ages of all? (NT) -- No name, 18:23:18 09/07/23 Thu wiki (NT) -- No name, 00:21:53 09/08/23 Fri New Mexico is the youngest of the class bunch, she is 2004 birth year and is 19 years old. Her Teen "sister" is a couple of years younger and both competed in NM Teen USA as the latter won the title. (NT) -- No name, 02:24:08 09/08/23 Fri Women that are 28 may have an advantage because they have more life experience, but they will be looked down on because they are older most likely. (NT) -- No name, 21:30:17 09/08/23 Fri I don’t understand this narrative. How is being older more of an advantage? Yes, you “may” have added life but other than that? Nothing. If anything, it’s a disadvantage. (NT) -- No name, 01:39:09 09/13/23 Wed Right? So you're a 28 y/o crown chaser. How is that an advantage? (NT) -- No name, 23:17:38 09/13/23 Wed Especially since they aged out a year ago & came back (NT) -- No name, 22:59:37 09/14/23 Thu Why do you put it that way? Pretty ignorant. If they want to enter they can. (NT) -- Who are you? A bitter boomer?, 23:57:50 09/14/23 Thu I agree that it's ignorant to think that those who are 28 are "crown chasers." There have been plenty of posts from former titleholders who have clarified that most of them DON'T want the job of Miss America and that they're looking for the scholarship dollars and the opportunity to be Miss State so that they can further their work on their social impact initiatives. I'm not saying that there AREN'T crown chasers, but I'm also not willing to say that all 28 year old contestants are crown chasers - you can be 18 and be a crown chaser. (NT) -- No name, 10:50:19 09/15/23 Fri Unless they never got their BA/BS or MS/MA etc ... they are not getting any acholarships at national (NT) -- No name, 13:51:24 09/15/23 Fri But that's new this year and it doesn't negate the fact that several title holders want to be Miss State to promote their personal social impact areas (and they DO get scholarship dollars at the state level). (NT) -- No name, 14:07:14 09/15/23 Fri 28 year olds being eligible is new this year too, but it doesn't negate the fact that they can't take the scholarships. Robin eliminated allowing winnings to be used for loans (which is a cheap move since the loans were for tuition) so MA can no longer claim girls over 21 (23 if in a Master's program), are doing it for the scholarships, as they are ineligible to use them. (NT) -- in a few yrs robin will make talent an 'optional' competition, just like toddlers & tiaras, 16:52:45 09/16/23 Sat

Subject: Texas locals resuming
Author: can't wait [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:05:09 09/09/23 Sat September is a busy month for Miss TX locals! Dallas/Park Cities is this weekend! Anyone know who is competing? Any predictions? Who do you want to return? Last year, Matlock did not return to compete until after Averie placed in Miss America. Will Matlock return early this year, or is she waiting to see if Ellie wins Miss A, before returning? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I don't think her timing has anything to do with what anyone else is doing. Why would Ellie's placement at MA have any bearing on whether or not Madison competes at a local? (NT) -- No name, 02:49:37 09/10/23 Sun If Ellie wins Miss America, maybe Madison would assume the title of Miss TX (NT) -- No name, 06:37:00 09/10/23 Sun I believe there were only 6 contestants at Dallas/Park Cities.There was a time when this local would include many top tier contestants from the previous Miss Texas competition. Winners: Miss Dallas 2024 Danielle Ball Miss Dallas’ Teen 2024 Lily Roberts Miss Park Cities 2024 Kennedy Hardeman Miss Park Cities’ Teen 2024 Savannah Wilson (NT) -- No name, 10:51:16 09/10/23 Sun I took this OP as a way of shaming Matlock for not entering their local. Looks like she made the right decision. (NT) -- No name, 11:35:25 09/10/23 Sun Even the most promising contestants deserve to have a life that doesn’t revolve around ONLY pageants. (NT) -- No name, 12:51:06 09/10/23 Sun Anyone have a judges list? Heard there was some conflict of interest with the winner (NT) -- No name, 15:46:53 09/11/23 Mon Dallas ain't what it use to be (NT) -- No name, 09:36:58 09/11/23 Mon Dallas/Park Cities & Plano/Richardson are pageants of the past. All the frontrunners go to the suburbs locals now so they don't have to deal with the drama of those two boards. (NT) -- No name, 10:11:14 09/11/23 Mon This is laughable - Dallas/Park Cities & Plano/(Frisco) Richardson are without question the 2 most successful locals in TX - period. Who else can even touch their track record? (NT) -- No name, 13:18:38 09/11/23 Mon In the past… girls are winning being Colleyville, Carrollton, Etc. (NT) -- No name, 21:30:27 09/11/23 Mon All 4 Dallas/Park Cites & Plano/Richarson girls were in the top 10 this year as well, say what you want, they are very well-prepared by the time they get to state and the board has a LOT to do with it. (NT) -- No name, 12:36:05 09/12/23 Tue Texas is actively trying to walk away from “powerhouse” titles to fix the issue of their being a golden girl off of sash factor…. Which I like. The best girl should win no matter her title. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:43 09/12/23 Tue And how exactly are they trying to do that?? (NT) -- No name, 13:30:02 09/12/23 Tue Southlake is happening today, and Grapevine I think is tomorrow. Both are strong locals. How are the numbers, is it a good turn out? (NT) -- Anyone know who is competing?, 13:39:46 09/16/23 Sat

Subject: RETRO AND RARE
Author: LOVEY HOWELL III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:53:24 09/14/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And why the Republicans had their 2004 GOP national convention in New York City is beyond me---other than to exploit the New York tragedy of September 11---three years later. They should have held their televised convention in a place where they could have been a competitor for that state's votes---like always close Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania. -- Where did the Dems have their 2004 National Convention?, 10:30:15 09/15/23 Fri Boston (NT) -- No name, 13:53:10 09/15/23 Fri How appropriate as then-US Senator and 2004 Democrat presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry is from and represented Massachusetts in the US Senate. -- It was a coincidence as convention host cities are bidded and selected over a year earlier., 17:05:56 09/15/23 Fri And then people like you would complain that they were exploiting the other states for votes. -- triggered much?, 15:06:17 09/15/23 Fri Exactly! And back in 2004 we didn't have internet cancel culture for anything semi/sort-of conservative. (NT) -- No name, 11:33:24 09/16/23 Sat

Subject: Who wad the last Miss America to walk the old traditional runway (the one with the old red, blue, and yellow lights) the one that had been in place since the 50's?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:21:18 09/14/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Cor: "was" (NT) -- No name, 12:26:18 09/14/23 Thu Was it Leanza Cornett (NT) -- 1992-3, 19:49:18 09/14/23 Thu Were those triple colored street sign runway lights used by the pageant broadcast producers to move, slow down, or stop the newly-crowned Miss America during her emotional walk towards the back from the audience?? lol Flash green ones, walk quick Miss America, put on red, stop the walking Miss America! lol -- I'd like see political convention type balloons and colorful ticker-tape drops at the coronation., 09:20:34 09/16/23 Sat

Subject: Miss Universe removed age restrictions.
Author: Any woman of any age can compete. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:03:23 09/12/23 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I hve no desire to see women my age (65) strut in a bikini next to 24 year olds (NT) -- No name, 21:44:41 09/12/23 Tue Neither do we, girl. (Shudder) (NT) -- No name, 22:27:07 09/12/23 Tue https://wwd.com/pop-culture/celebrity-news/miss-universe-age-restriction-changes (NT) -- No name, 21:49:58 09/12/23 Tue oh thank goodness. there is still hope for me at 59 (eyeroll) (NT) -- No name, 21:51:20 09/12/23 Tue they are desperate (NT) -- No name, 23:11:55 09/12/23 Tue Nope, they just want your money, no matter how old you are haha (NT) -- No name, 23:22:45 09/12/23 Tue Say what you want, but Miss Universe makes plans and sticks to them. We learned the pageant date/location almost a year beforehand. They mandate rules before the new season begins, not during the height of it. We may not be a fan of them all, but i applaud the Miss Universe leaders for having a vision and making it known. (NT) -- No name, 12:26:27 09/13/23 Wed I AM a fan and agree with all you are saying. Why MAO can't seem to grasp this concept I have no clue. (NT) -- No name, 12:34:33 09/13/23 Wed I'm a 54 year-old man, why not let ME compete! LOL! (NT) -- No name, 13:14:31 09/13/23 Wed If the freak show tranny keeps it up...you will be allowed. (NT) -- No name, 15:57:34 09/13/23 Wed Can you imagine if the USA was enjoying unprecedented prosperity with record low gas prices, high employment, affordable homes and goods? Would you still be a cunt about cultural anomalies? (NT) -- No name, 11:24:57 09/15/23 Fri So there's a local festival where they have a Ms. competition, along with their Teen & Miss Court Pageants. They consistently have more women compete than the Teens & Misses combined. Ages range for late 20's to 60's and last year's queen was in her late 50's. There's a themed costume presentation which is always fun for contestants & community. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:43 09/13/23 Wed Sorry but this is a joke and it will only make MU looks cheap and desperate. I think perhaps raising the age to 30 would be a good move, but many women have moved on, have kids, marriages and careers that won't enable them to travel and keep up with the hectic pace of a winner. Look how everyone criticizes MAO, MU is next. And wil lthey let past winner come back and compete or is this still going to be a once and done experience? (NT) -- Lee, 14:49:25 09/13/23 Wed I wonder how this news went over with national directors like Miss France and Miss Colombia & the reaction from Mrs. pageants organizers. (NT) -- Anon, 09:54:34 09/14/23 Thu Why??? This is ridiculous! I realize the world is changing but it is changing at the expense of tradition. It seems like the only people interested in tradition are we "old folks" who remember when it was OK to honor achievement for young, beautiful females who were born female. This is such a rabbit hole. I hope MAO will hold their ground and not allo0w this change to undermine their tradition. I hope they will see this as a way to separate MAO from the age-old confusion between their competition and Miss Universe. But, alas, I have my doubts that the new leadership will be smart enough to see this as an opportunity! (NT) -- No name, 10:27:04 09/14/23 Thu This is so smart. No age limits means way more money from people pay fees to compete, and the marketing opportunities are endless. Whether you like it or not they make the money. Without ever saying a word they make MAO look ageist and will get way more women wanting to compete. And they get a whole new list of marketing firsts “first married woman” “first mom” “first 30/40/50” so that they are constantly being able to be talked about. They have all new markets they can reach. Meanwhile MAO looks even more limiting and unable to look progressive or with the times. MU continues to surpass MAO with out ever speaking badly of it. They also create enemies that make its critics, what’s wrong with a 50 year old Miss USA. You don’t like it, then the problem is with you not them. They get to market that they empower and are providing opportunity to women and critics look ageist jerks which only generates even press, support and contestants. (NT) -- No name, 12:56:30 09/14/23 Thu This is a bad move. it shows they are desperate for candidates. -- No name, 00:11:47 09/15/23 Fri Miss USA/Universe is a skin show, so it's sad enough that a father approve of his daughter prancing onstage in a bikini, much less a husband seeing his wife serve SEX to the panel (I forget what the judges are called now). Sad! (NT) -- No name, 00:32:46 09/15/23 Fri So women can be models and actresses. They can play volleyball in a bikini for the Olympics. They can do gymnastics in tight leotards. They can perform in dance competitions as teens in the tiny dance costumes. Women are at beaches and pools in bikinis all the time but the minute they enter a pageant it is a skin show??? (NT) -- No name, 07:39:23 09/15/23 Fri And men and women can enter talent competitions like Americas Got Talent, or singing competitions like American Idol and The Voice. There are body building competitions for both men and women. You can go to organizations - men and women - to Toastmasters and Institute of Public Speaking to improve public speaking and presentation skills. But if you have a competition that puts it all together just for women (because women have historically been underpaid compared to men) - then you're objectifying them. Please, do all of these things SEPARATELY but Hell FIRE if you put them together. Then you're objectifying women. ??? It never ever made sense. (NT) -- Bodybuilders don't feel objectified. People know that most have day jobs., 08:19:55 09/15/23 Fri We have come to the point where women can do whatever they want in our society... as long as society approves. (NT) -- No name, 08:59:43 09/15/23 Fri Your comments are spot on. At my kid's high school, the girl's volleyball team wear tight-fitting volleyball shorts ( and I mean short) as part of their athletic uniform and I don't see anybody calling that a skin show. -- No name, 12:21:28 09/15/23 Fri In the 70's and 80's women's volleyball teams didn't even wear shorts. They wore one piece bathing suits. Little bit more elastic around the cheeks and they came down about 1" blow the cheek folds. It was a one piece bathing suit. and many clubs still wear them. (NT) -- No name, 12:35:14 09/15/23 Fri Are you talking about " Beach VolleyBall"? I played volleyball on my school team, we had shorts and tops? (NT) -- No name, 13:26:08 09/15/23 Fri Beach volleyball was always bathing suits - pretty much bikini since I can remember but no - I’m talking 70s and early 80s bun huggers. https://www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/5050047-volleyball-fads-were-not-proud-of (NT) -- Copy and paste that link for an example., 20:39:22 09/15/23 Fri That would be good for former Miss America state pageant competitors (and former Miss America state winners) to compete after age restrictions were removed. (NT) -- No name, 20:31:35 09/15/23 Fri

Subject: What would a scoring system be where a double preliminary winner does not make top ren?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:22:57 09/12/23 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The year Betty won a double preliminary winner, Iowa, didn't make top ten but I don't remember the scoring percentile. (NT) -- No name, 08:04:01 09/12/23 Tue If swimsuit and gown were only 20% of the score, someone with a weak interview and talent could definitely be left out of top 10. Especially if their interview was after their first prelim win. They could love her look but if she bombed interview and talent… (NT) -- No name, 09:43:55 09/12/23 Tue If I remember correctly, interviews came before onstage prelims and the scoring system was pretty standard, it's just that Iowa was in the weakest group. (NT) -- No name, 09:53:39 09/12/23 Tue I think that talent could have won in any gtoup. (NT) -- d..., 11:55:04 09/12/23 Tue Iowa's talent? What was it? Did we see it on Finals night? (NT) -- No name, 11:54:36 09/13/23 Wed Iowa sang Don't Forget Me from Smash. Finals had a separate panel of judges. Iowa's composite got her to T12, but not past that point. It was a shame because her talent was excellent. (NT) -- No name, 08:15:14 09/14/23 Thu This is why they should have never messed (NEVER) with choosing a top 10 and having them compete in all areas of competiton. The notion that they had to have unnecessary elimination rounds to boost ratings was rididulous. Miss America used the right format to stage the competition for years and years and should have never messed with it. (NT) -- No name, 08:58:17 09/14/23 Thu I never understood the principle behind increasing ratings by elimination rounds. I would think it would have the opposite effect. It seems you would lose viewers after each round because the viewers in the states eliminated would lose interest and tune out or change the channel. This was some network buffoons great idea. (NT) -- No name, 14:11:36 09/15/23 Fri Ironic, because I just watched 2008 and that was the worst MA pageant ever. Announcing five young ladies have been eliminated. Awful (NT) -- No name, 14:15:58 09/15/23 Fri Exactly! Plus it was a huge waste of time that could have been better spent having the outgoing Miss America perform, show clips of the non-finalist talent winners, announce Miss Congeniality -- anything to get away from focusing on eliminations. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:06 09/15/23 Fri Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 11:51:39 09/14/23 Thu Talent was 50% that year. It was a reaction to Kira's talent. (NT) -- No name, 08:24:56 09/14/23 Thu Ten not ren. (NT) -- d..., 14:42:31 09/12/23 Tue Top fifteen conversation to select top 10 instead of overall points. (NT) -- No name, 17:21:06 09/12/23 Tue This is how it's done in my state. They have a Top 10 meeting. Prior to the final show. I know its happened for many years that way. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:21 09/12/23 Tue So does that mean scoring is thrown out and they pick who they want out of the 15? What are they specifically going off of? (NT) -- No name, 01:30:22 09/13/23 Wed As someone who has judged state pageants, you only get the number of contestants presented to you that the state pageant is going to call off as semi-finalists. Each judge is given one name at a time, and they privately mark down their composite score (and they have no idea which contestant name they will hear next). There is no discussion among the judges while they privately mark their composite score. Then after all composite scores are assigned, the judges are allowed to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of each contestant but they are not allowed to discuss who they think is their winner or rank order the contestants. The semifinalists are composite scored without any judges discussion. At least that's how it used to be before 2.0. (NT) -- No name, 01:47:24 09/13/23 Wed Okay. I was curious because my state only does top 10 but I was in the top 15 (NT) -- No name, 09:19:39 09/13/23 Wed When did you compete? (NT) -- No name, 15:00:34 09/13/23 Wed If your state only does a top 10, then how did you find out you were top 15? Did they announce 11th through 15th place? Texas used to announce spots 11 thru 20 in past years at their Coronation Ball. (NT) -- No name, 18:31:19 09/13/23 Wed To my understanding it is different now. Also the state boards can be involved now from what I know. (NT) -- No name, 09:27:22 09/13/23 Wed The state boards can be involved in picking the winner/Top 10/ Top 15?? (NT) -- No name, 13:12:59 09/13/23 Wed NO! (NT) -- No name, 18:36:56 09/13/23 Wed Yes! Most state boards do the top 10 line up they know who makes what before finals (NT) -- No name, 22:46:45 09/13/23 Wed Exactly this has been going on for years in my state. They have a Top 10 meeting before finals. That's been going on since 2012. I know that for a fact. (NT) -- No name, 09:05:55 09/14/23 Thu But now I think Robin has changed things to where state boards can weigh in and affect the composite scoring. (NT) -- No name, 09:50:10 09/14/23 Thu This is incorrect. The State ED sits in on the Top 10 meeting, they are not allowed to talk. The Judges Chair is in charge of the meeting. (NT) -- No name, 23:36:41 09/14/23 Thu What is the purpose of this meeting. The EDs are in attendance, but are non- verbal? Lol! (NT) -- No name, 14:19:15 09/15/23 Fri Because one of those finalists is going to become the new Miss State that the state board will be working with and taking to Miss America. It's helpful and instructive to the state leadership to hear what the judges feedback is on her strengths and weaknesses. (NT) -- No name, 15:57:57 09/15/23 Fri

Subject: GRACE STANKE
Author: LOVEY HOWELL III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:56:28 09/14/23 Thu World Nuclear AssociationFollow People First: Leading the Industry to Success Grace Stanke, Miss America 2023 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: This Weekend Sept 16th
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:21:21 09/14/23 Thu This is the Weekend that Miss America was once held and should have still been held. On Sept 16 1995 Shawntel Smith was Crowned Congrats go to Vanessa Williams 40th Anniversary Kimberly Aiken 30th Anniversary She was 18 then, 48 now ! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Never mind that---those more recent ones---last Saturday was the 90th anniversary of the 1933 Miss America pageant held in Atlantic City, NJ on Saturday, September 9, 1933 (coincidently the September calendar is the same in 1933 as it is this month in 2023). The 1933 contest was one of the most if not most troubled Miss America event in all history. -- Cut-and-paste to see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_America_1933, 14:20:45 09/14/23 Thu

Subject: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhw7oIaWCi18LmnOqnqz-SpM6yrCh40gIkPt7vVvxh8xC-gtPx5hq0RNUaWpT2UC8swkAhaIbdXUSIK7FYjdB5k68E0AKqx7iVFAVWMcM8AYMcCswVc-Gg4lBQvBxzzSKCMtZVyyO0N-q29ipzbJN-uEXh1Wbp9VZnvPQJOrfNwmctHXciVIKikgf9uXoU/s16000/Miss%20USA%202023%20-%20Meet%20the%20contestants.jpg
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:37:04 09/13/23 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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...When do (or when did) the 51 contestants for Miss USA 2023 arrive in Reno? -- And do/did the state teens arrive same day or on a different day?, 14:16:45 09/14/23 Thu

Subject: Miss USA confirmed for the CW
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:59:21 09/08/23 Fri This is actually confirmed now: Variety: Miss USA Pageant Heads to the CW in First Broadcast Airing Since 2016 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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On brand..they were the home of the original ANTM (NT) -- No name, 15:18:07 09/08/23 Fri Who wrote that mess....lack of facts...first time Miss USA has been broadcasted since 2016.....who did Americans watch Miss USA in 2019 or 2020 when it was in Memphis? -- And saying the gals will come from the 50 states....but not a Miss District of Columbia?, 15:42:58 09/08/23 Fri Who wrote that mess....lack of facts...first time Miss USA has been broadcasted since 2016?? How did Americans watch Miss USA when Reno, Nevad hosted in 2019 or in 2020 when it was in Memphis? -- And saying the gals will come from the 50 states....but not a Miss District of Columbia? (NT) -- And saying the gals will come from the 50 states....but not a Miss District of Columbia?, 15:45:36 09/08/23 Fri In reality, the last primetime Miss USA programming was in 2019 on Fox, with the late Cheslie Kryst crowned and last for a year a half due to 6-month extension because of COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. -- No name, 18:43:54 09/08/23 Fri The mere fact that they arent going to air Miss Teen is that its no longer relevant, therefore it needs to come to an end (NT) -- No name, 13:48:51 09/09/23 Sat Teen hasn’t been on TV in YEARS! (NT) -- No name, 14:49:01 09/09/23 Sat I've actually been watching all of the old Teen USA pageants on You Tube. That used to be a huge deal. Now....not so much. The winner would get over 150,000.00 in prizes, even back in the 80's! (NT) -- No name, 23:46:25 09/09/23 Sat I remember the pageant has gone downhill since 1997 or so (NT) -- No name, 02:12:13 09/10/23 Sun The last Teen was on NBC in 2007 when South Carolina did her "Such as" response to the question asked about maps (NT) -- No name, 16:28:07 09/11/23 Mon And to learn that Miss South Carolina Teen-USA 2007, Caitlin Upton, who attempted to answer why Aimeé Teegarden's question why some American cannot find the United States on a map, is now 34 years old, makes myself feel old!! lol What is Caitlin doing these days? -- Fan, 09:06:15 09/13/23 Wed She became more popular after the pageant than the actual winner (NT) -- No name, 12:55:39 09/13/23 Wed

Subject: 2024 Miss America Judging Scores
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:22:19 08/29/23 Tue 30% - Private Interview 20% - Lifestyle and Fitness 20% - Evening Gown 20% - Talent 10% - Community Service Initiative Is this correct? Are they going to have Preliminary scoring and then Finals scoring ? thank you. Also, who decides the scoring percentages every year? Is it the MAO panel or just the CEO ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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How is CSI scored? OSQ about it? (NT) -- No name, 22:03:47 08/29/23 Tue yes (NT) -- No name, 22:14:02 08/29/23 Tue Thanks (NT) -- No name, 23:12:07 08/29/23 Tue The phase of competition is called "On-Stage Conversation", not CSI. (NT) -- No name, 13:49:57 09/12/23 Tue

Subject: Kylene Barker is so beautiful. Maybe more beautiful than ever.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:29:06 09/09/23 Sat https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1366689377190671&set=a.132402327286055 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gorgeous. Would love to know what foundation she uses. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:49 09/09/23 Sat Her foundation is Photoshop Buff Ivory🤣 she's beautiful but that has been retouched (NT) -- No name, 22:05:37 09/09/23 Sat Interesting that she is mixing white and yellow gold. (NT) -- No name, 06:38:13 09/10/23 Sun WOW! (NT) -- No name, 13:35:58 09/11/23 Mon

Subject: What are some good colors to wear for interview? What are some bad colors?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:45:42 09/07/23 Thu Or is any color fine? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I’ve seen pretty much every color work. It’s more about the style, fit and what looks good on the individual contestant. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:38 09/07/23 Thu Exactly - I don't care what color you're wearing - all I care about is that you look cute and MOST importantly, your outfit FITS you (physically and spiritually). Stop smashing into that size 4 when you're clearly an 8 ladies. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:03 09/07/23 Thu Fit is everything, and that it's in "your" colors! Don't worry about anything else! You want the focus on on you! (NT) -- No name, 17:37:57 09/07/23 Thu Any color can work on the right girl - so much changes what “works” that should be taken into account. My favorite interview dress EVER was terrible at first - but when I ditched my bleach blonde, had a natural tan, and styled it right? It was stunning. Make sure to have as close to “competition” look as possible when shopping and trying on :) (NT) -- No name, 12:58:33 09/10/23 Sun

Subject: MISS AMERICA 2017 Savvy Shields
Author: Lovey Howell III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:43:00 09/04/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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too airbrushed It does not even look like Savvy (NT) -- No name, 01:20:16 09/05/23 Tue Looks exactly like her. (NT) -- No name, 03:54:44 09/07/23 Thu

Subject: Miss USA on CW Network, 9/29. Affiliates were told this earlier.
Author: K [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:51:53 08/30/23 Wed For those who are interested. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can’t wait to see this (NT) -- No name, 01:27:59 08/31/23 Thu Even Miss USA hasn't yet made its official confirmation to have the targeted date. (NT) -- No name, 02:57:04 08/31/23 Thu Good -- NA, 08:27:59 08/31/23 Thu ..If true about the relatively new CW network----they likely will have the Miss USA at 8---10 pm (7--9 pm) show, as many CW affiliates air their local nightly newscast at 9 pm/8 pm. -- And Miss Teen-USA 2023, not televised, will be the day before in Reno, Nevada?, 10:18:19 08/31/23 Thu ...If true about the relatively new CW network----they likely will have the 2023 Miss USA pageant at 8---10 pm Eastern (7--9 pm Central time) broadcast show, as many CW affiliates air their local nightly newscast at 10 pm/9 pm. -- And Miss Teen-USA 2023, not televised, will be the day before in Reno, Nevada?, 10:20:55 08/31/23 Thu The CW launched 16 years ago. (NT) -- No name, 19:06:31 08/31/23 Thu It has a lightweight line-up of shows, but I could be entertained for a week watching some of these shows. The network seems to be marketing to a younger audience. Isn't that what we want? (NT) -- No name, 20:17:11 09/06/23 Wed Thank God for the new USA director to make this possible. No horrible Pageant streamer!!! Robin, the ball is now in your court (NT) -- No name, 21:21:06 08/31/23 Thu Seriously? I would prefer just to stream if its just on CW (NT) -- No name, 07:34:36 09/01/23 Fri CW isn’t going to employ those Pageants Live people 👏👏 (NT) -- No name, 08:28:53 09/01/23 Fri Pageants Live doesn't affiliate with Miss USA, its Pageant Vision. (NT) -- No name, 09:18:14 09/01/23 Fri The Miss USA website and none of their social media sites have announced a date. Very strange (NT) -- No name, 20:12:40 09/02/23 Sat I can't speak for everyone but my cable company just forced everyone to go to streaming and I find it annoying. It cuts off much more than cable ever did. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:36 09/03/23 Sun Maybe if the new president Laylah Rose will be formally announced its OFFICIAL dates of the pageant. (NT) -- No name, 23:18:20 09/06/23 Wed Both of the new leaders of our two major pageants are facing a lot of trouble trying to arrange their national pageants. (NT) -- No name, 00:12:07 09/07/23 Thu Thank you (NT) -- No name, 03:31:17 09/07/23 Thu

Subject: Reaching out to anyone in the know on the inside--Does anyone have a clue on what is going on with Miss District of Columbia's Teen and when a new titleholder be crowned?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:03:23 08/30/23 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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did they have a pageant? did she give up her crown (NT) -- No name, 16:31:21 08/30/23 Wed I posted on Miss DC's Instagram and they said that they would crown Miss DC's Teen 2023 in August, but August is fixing to come and go. I messaged them on their Facebook, radio silence. So, at this moment, big unknown. (NT) -- No name, 19:55:03 08/30/23 Wed I checked on the IG (@MissAmericasTeenDC), nothing has been posted since late June and this could be no DC delegate in Miss America Teen 2024 for the first time ever. (NT) -- No name, 03:14:43 08/31/23 Thu Tricia Lloyd, Miss DC Executive Director don’t care. She’s not there for these young ladies, it’s about power. And it’s a shame that Robin knows this and does nothing about it! It’s an indicator that she is no different than the others who have been named Miss America’s CEO. Shameful -- Shameful, 08:29:51 08/31/23 Thu That’s so upsetting to hear because for the longest time DC was always a powerhouse at Miss A :( (NT) -- No name, 19:59:29 08/31/23 Thu how can there not be a pageant? (NT) -- No name, 17:17:40 09/03/23 Sun They have always had issues with getting contestants. They have two or three teens, that’s it. Now that MAO/Teen is struggling in VA and MD, it’s easy to see that they cannot even find one girl. (NT) -- Pageants are not a thing in the DMV. It’s always been like that., 17:31:42 09/03/23 Sun on year there was no Miss DC teen usa, There was no DR (NT) -- No name, 21:27:28 09/03/23 Sun That was in 92. (NT) -- ., 22:24:05 09/03/23 Sun I messaged again on Instagram. Click this for response. -- No name, 13:36:37 09/05/23 Tue And I told you that a few messages above. DC Miss is nearly always someone from another state who came to DC for work or school. (NT) -- Locally, they do not have any interest. So, teen is a struggle., 22:46:48 09/05/23 Tue Glad to see the truth about DC coming about even thought Tricia got who she always wanted. Tricia doesn’t care about the girls and especially the teens. Didn’t even throw a celebration when DC Teen was 1st runner up at nationals. (NT) -- No wonder there’s no interest, 17:46:50 09/06/23 Wed

Subject: What is a good song to play for coronation music?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:51:22 09/03/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A few questions: Is this a local/state? MISS/TEEN or both? What is the majority of the audience, "urban or rural"? I can try to assist you with a few different options. (NT) -- No name, 15:53:49 09/04/23 Mon Also do you have a pagent theme? Or just Miscellaneous? (NT) -- No name, 16:08:13 09/04/23 Mon This is for a local competiiton for both Miss and Teen. The theme is "Dancing the Night Away." It would be for mostly an urban audience. (NT) -- No name, 00:29:21 09/05/23 Tue This is no ordinary miracle by Donna Summer. (NT) -- No name, 20:19:16 09/04/23 Mon Let me think......how about Michael Jackson's "Just Beat It".......? (NT) -- Fan, 12:40:18 09/05/23 Tue I usually just do the opening number again.... (NT) -- No name, 16:03:58 09/05/23 Tue TEEN: 1) I Got A Feeling: Black Eyed Peas. 2) High Hopes: Panic at The Disco. 3) Roar: Katy Perry. 4) Like a Champion: Selena Gomez. MISS: 1) All I Do Win: DJKhaled. 2) Can't Stop This Feeling: Justin Timberlake. 3) Diamonds : Rihanna. 4) Pump it / Or Dirty Bit: The Black Eyed Peas! I hope this helps you. Have a beautiful pagent! (NT) -- No name, 20:06:23 09/05/23 Tue Thanks so much for your help! (NT) -- OP, 20:49:00 09/05/23 Tue I didn't see your theme, when I posted the songs. ( ALthough, the J. Timberlake song fits it .) Here are two other " theme" options. MISS: Dance The Night Away: Van Halen. TEEN: Dance The Night: Dua Lipa, ( From Barbie, The Album.) (NT) -- No name, 21:28:04 09/05/23 Tue You are welcome! (NT) -- No name, 21:37:34 09/05/23 Tue

Subject: How many Contestants are in Hoopeston?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:29:34 08/30/23 Wed Are there only 13 competing for National Sweetheart this year? I saw a photo posted with 13 girls in front of a gradeschool. Just wondering if this is the final count. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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These 20 were listed as of 7/31 - Alabama - Emily O’Rear Alaska - Crimzine Miller California - Jirah Gerry District of Columbia - Kendall Martin Georgia - Catherine Slavich Hawaii - Haley Fleming Indiana - Dyna Martinez Kansas - Olivia Pikul Kentucky - Maclyn Jones Mississippi - Mary Mac Parnell Missouri - Shaelyn Matkins North Carolina - Sarah Beth Howard Ohio - Jacinda Gonzalez Oregon - Payton Idrogo Rhode Island - Caroline Shea Tennessee - Miura Rempis Texas - Mary Katherine France Utah - Rian Haslam Washington - Alyssa Welch Wisconsin - Emily Phillips (NT) -- No name, 13:50:07 08/30/23 Wed I was told it is not what it was for years. I have never been but encouraged several from our state over the years to go and they all loved it. Things change. It might be hard to build it back up. Hoping they can. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:46 08/30/23 Wed 13 is all I can find in picture's. How did they decide who went? I see several that were sure not even in the top 5 in their states (NT) -- No name, 15:34:01 08/30/23 Wed MVA state 1st runners up (NT) -- No name, 16:20:58 08/30/23 Wed Not 100% correct. Indiana was 2ru at Indiana Volunteer. They sponsored the 1ru to go to Indiana USA, where she got 1ru to Haley Begay. (NT) -- No name, 16:32:03 08/30/23 Wed Not sure aligning themselves with MVA Was a wise move. (NT) -- 1, 19:39:32 08/30/23 Wed Why, because MAO treated them so well?? (NT) -- No name, 19:00:58 08/31/23 Thu Just saw a photo with 20 contestants at rehearsal. (NT) -- No name, 18:56:21 08/30/23 Wed Well...how about just cut-and-paste that photo link and put it here----to put it to rest of who is in Hoopeston? -- Or at least say how and where you found that photo., 16:15:35 08/31/23 Thu There are tons of photos on the National Sweetheart Pageant Facebook page. (NT) -- No name, 01:33:24 09/02/23 Sat I was at NSP last year. 16 contestants and probably the most competitive pageant I've ever watched. Pageant watcher 15+ years. (NT) -- DXTQJ, 20:40:35 08/30/23 Wed Mississippi had to pull out due to illness. (NT) -- No name, 11:47:38 08/31/23 Thu The NSP in 2014 was the most competitive. The year that Kalee Wright won. Close to 40 girls and over 15 State winners from that group for 2015. (NT) -- No name, 13:10:24 08/31/23 Thu It is usually competitive. Most of the girls are 1RU or in top 5. Of course a high number will place at their state. The competitors are the cream of the crop. It's a great pageant. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:32 08/31/23 Thu Not familiar with Kaylee Wright. What happened after her win? Thanks! (NT) -- No name, 16:15:24 08/31/23 Thu Kalie .. Miss Idaho MAO 2015 and Miss Minnesota USA 2018 (NF in both) (NT) -- No name, 18:35:41 08/31/23 Thu I remember her being one of the most facially beautiful contestants I had ever seen in pageants. I wonder why she didn't place at either national? Didn't she get a NFT at Miss America? (NT) -- No name, 20:49:22 08/31/23 Thu Married with 2 kids, running a wedding venue with her husband and still beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:54 08/31/23 Thu Who were the top 5 that year? (NT) -- No name, 23:47:43 08/31/23 Thu Betty won - Hannah Roberts (MS), Kelly Johnson (CO), April Nelson (LA) & Meg McGuffin (AL) (NT) -- No name, 13:15:39 09/01/23 Fri I meant the Top 5 at Sweetheart that year...2014. (NT) -- No name, 23:21:07 09/01/23 Fri I think Sweetheart is a wonderful pageant but they lost momentum when Miss A would not let the runners up compete. I’m glad that Volunteer has aligned with them but it will take a little while to build it back. This year looks weak. (NT) -- No name, 20:39:03 08/31/23 Thu The timing needs better alignment. Example - Who is representing GA - Victoria's 1st runner up, or the new one from this summer? (NT) -- No name, 21:34:40 08/31/23 Thu The Alabama Sweetheart didn’t compete in Volunteer this year. She was top five last year. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:50 08/31/23 Thu I think a lot depends on who is paying for the airfare & costs to get there. It's not inexpensive to get there. (NT) -- No name, 00:44:09 09/01/23 Fri I’m guessing the contestants pay their own way (NT) -- No name, 11:09:50 09/01/23 Fri Unfortunately for some ladies it interferes with the first few days/weeks of college. I know that is the reason that our state couldn’t send someone. She just couldn’t take a few days off. Depending on your school and professors it could mean a really rough start. And yes I know it’s Hoopeston tradition to have it this weekend so it’s never going to change. Sadly times have changed & competing in pageant isn’t as easily explained or excused as it used to be. (NT) -- No name, 18:50:57 09/01/23 Fri ......Well they knew that coming in---the dates of first week of post-high school education and the dates they need to be in Hoopeston when they applied for the 2023 (or any year) Miss National Sweetheart pageant. Those now suddenly find scheduling conflict should have known that before one week of arriving in Hoopeston and let another woman from her state travel to Hoopeston and represent the state. -- If the is the cause of lesser gals in Hoopeston this week, shame on them., 10:54:36 09/02/23 Sat They should have the 1st runners up again. Its a tradition that got the shaft. If they did do it again, which1st runner up would you pick. ? Morgan Matlock would probably take it. (NT) -- No name, 15:15:24 09/02/23 Sat The 1RUs are the chosen ones now, but if they're not available the next finalist is invited, then on down the line if necessary, just like when they were feeding from the MA program. (NT) -- Volunteer needs a few more years to build up their state programs, 11:26:42 09/04/23 Mon Morgan Matlock didn't compete at Volunteer. National Sweetheart is the runners-up from Volunteer, not MAO (NT) -- No name, 14:53:29 09/04/23 Mon Morgan won Miss Texas in 2005. You need to get the correct name, it's MADISON MATLOCK that was Texas MAO 1st runner up this year. And MAO does not have the connection with Sweetheart, it's Volunteer. So get that correct as well if you are going to post about things. Just saying..... (NT) -- No name, 02:36:44 09/05/23 Tue Sorry I meant Madison. Easy mistake at least I didn't say Ben Matlock. (NT) -- No name, 18:46:50 09/05/23 Tue Also said,if they did it again. If. I know volunteer does it now. (NT) -- No name, 19:41:02 09/05/23 Tue

Subject: Sweetheart Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:27:21 09/02/23 Sat Can we watch this online? If so, when/where? Did they have a preliminary last night? Who is judging? Anyone going? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I have signed up THREE times...It will not let you log in once you sign up. Just keeps taking you back to the sign up page...Any thoughts? -- No name, 19:29:23 09/02/23 Sat DO not sign up using the link on Facebook. It doesn't work and take you to a totally different site. Also charges you. Works perfectly if you SING UP using the link on the actual WEBSITE of the National Volunteer Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 19:44:58 09/02/23 Sat Nice you say that here----but since you know the website link, then how about posting the link here for those who wish to see this show----and do any even -- know the date during Labor Day weekend and time of the show? Post the live-stream link here., 11:34:15 09/03/23 Sun https://thenationalsweetheartpageant-hoopestonil.vhx.tv/products (NT) -- No name, 17:09:24 09/03/23 Sun Tonight is prelims it seems. (NT) -- No name, 20:05:07 09/02/23 Sat Yes...the stream worked great. KY won both SS and Gown. No talent announced. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:21 09/02/23 Sat What are everyone’s thoughts on who will make top ten? (NT) -- No name, 11:29:24 09/03/23 Sun So in the end, after earlier speculation of pageant dropouts noted here------how many are now or did compete in the 2023 Miss National Sweetheart pageant in Hoopeston and also which -- state representatives first announced on August 2, since dropped out?, 14:00:59 09/03/23 Sun one (NT) -- No name, 18:45:53 09/03/23 Sun One drop out----New York, Alaska, D.C. or was it let me guess North Dakota Sweetheart? -- How many total are actually competing for the 2023 national title?, 20:20:35 09/03/23 Sun Who was the NY delegate? (NT) -- No name, 20:28:34 09/03/23 Sun There wasn't a representative from NY this year. (NT) -- No name, 21:27:16 09/03/23 Sun

Subject: Is anyone watching Sweetheart?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:56:21 09/03/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No but I can tell from a picture that 3 of the top 10 are CA, IN and MO (NT) -- No name, 20:07:13 09/03/23 Sun T10 - TN HI MO KY CA TX IN OH NC AL (NT) -- No name, 21:11:02 09/03/23 Sun

Subject: RETRO VAULT
Author: Lovey Howell III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:43:44 09/02/23 Sat 1965 "MISS AMERICA PAGEANT" Vonda Kay Van Dyke Bess Myerson [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: MISS AMERICA 1958
Author: LOVEY HOWELL III [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:20:56 08/30/23 Wed Marilyn Van Derbur AND Fred Astaire [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Lovey - Loved you on Gilligan's Island (NT) -- No name, 17:58:22 08/30/23 Wed I wonder how many cans of Aqua Net it took to achieve that bouffant? I'll bet that hairdo lasted well into 1963. (NT) -- No name, 22:43:22 08/30/23 Wed lol (NT) -- Lovey, 14:02:26 08/31/23 Thu

Subject: Most Unusual Talents at Miss America
Author: corrections, additions please [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:37:15 08/29/23 Tue Tap dancing while jumping rope – Virginia MacGraw - Birmingham -AL-41 Horseback riding – Carol Fraser MT-49 Trampoline - M.A. Judy Ford IL-68, Amanda Watson TN-57 Aerial silk acrobatics - Jen Sawatzke -WY-07 Unparallel Bars - Maggie Walker- PA-70, Sue Glover- VT-71 Balance Beam - Becky Hune -AR-73 Ice Skating - Joan Hydolft- Cincinnatti-43, Mary Haglund -IN-67, Jill Rankin- SC-81 Acro-dance on lawn chairs - Allison Boyd- NE-84 Mideastern dance balancing sword on head - Mikka Darby- KY-88 Contortion acro-dance balancing glass of water on head - Jodi Miller- NE-88 Tae kwon do - Heather Rathbone- MT-02 Rope jumping - Lauren Cheape- HI-12 Archery - Jeannette Ardell- GA-58, Ann Marston- AL-59 Upside down tap dancing - Wren Prather- NM-72 Tractor driving, dress design - Diane Klug- CT-59 Roller skating - Ellen Meade- FL-73, Tammy Kettunan- AZ-89, Allyn Rose- DC-03 Karate-walking barefoot on glass, splitting concrete block with foot - Alecia Masulkowski- MI-85 Playing organ & piano at same time piano w right hand organ w left - Beverly Smith- MD-62 Rifle Twirling while wearing toy soldier - Laura Matthys- OR-82 Outfit Vocal & dance as Olive Oyl - Charlotte Carroll- MS-62 Dancing on 10 foot ladder - Desiree Keating- DC-84 Fencing, (fenced with her fencing - Connie Gingras- ME-49 Teacher) (pending): Color Guard flag twirling - Jessica Titon- IL-23 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I love the trampoline for a talent! (NT) -- No name, 15:22:18 08/30/23 Wed What.....Miss Indiana 1981, Pamela Sue Carlberg's accordion medley talent of "Sabre Dance" & "Ritual Fire Dance" is not unusually enough? For one panel of judges, it was good enough to name fast-fingered Pamela as the third runner-up to Miss America 1982. -- http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/24/arts/reviews-music-the-accordion-as-star-in-the-big-squeeze.html, 16:00:56 08/30/23 Wed Hitting a red cup while sitting on the floor & singing "Happy" Kira Kazatsev NY'14(MA) /// chemistry demonstration - Alayna Westcom VT'15 & Camille Schrier VA'19(MA) (NT) -- No name, 16:48:02 08/30/23 Wed

Subject: Can anyone provide a list of judges for your state MAO or MUSA pageants?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:36:41 08/28/23 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I have been away from the board for awhile. Are you asking for the judges for the 1923 or 1924 pageant? (NT) -- No name, 05:01:18 08/29/23 Tue 2023 and 2024, not 1923 and 1924. Sorry. (NT) -- No name, 05:03:30 08/29/23 Tue Oregon 2023- Jason Robinson, Breanna Craig, Gary Umemoto, Jill Ojserkis & Corey Brunish (NT) -- No name, 09:27:29 08/29/23 Tue Alabama - Chuck Steelman, Morgan Smith, McNeil Chestnut, Chika Kaba Ma'atunde, Nanette Swenson (NT) -- No name, 10:01:03 08/29/23 Tue Texas (Miss) - Kendall Morris, Jim Montgomery, Nancy Marston, Noelle Freeman, David Madrigal, Tiffany Harrison & Michael Norris (NT) -- No name, 13:24:50 08/29/23 Tue love the idea of 7 judges (NT) -- No name, 15:54:00 08/29/23 Tue Texas (Teen) - Juliann Sheldon, Marian Arnold, Blake Red Elk, David Palma, Alyssa Whitfield & Joe Heffernan (NT) -- No name, 13:31:22 08/29/23 Tue Fine looking list of judges so far (NT) -- No name, 15:30:00 08/29/23 Tue I think Texas always does 7 Miss & 7 Teen Judges incase one drops out. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:50 08/29/23 Tue WA--Carolyn Ladd (Miss OR 1991), Alicia Cooper Cooley (Miss WA 2016), Steve Phan, Cara Mund (Miss A 2018), Ashley Whitley (stepped up to fill in for Joseph Moore) (NT) -- No name, 13:53:30 08/30/23 Wed

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