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Subject: I just watched the Miss Virginia 2005 pageant. Kristi Glakas' year.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:14:34 04/20/21 Tue I must remark that with few exceptions, the top 10 talents were incredibly weak. The pageant itself was well done though. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I remember watching the pageant back then. It look liked everyone wanted Maryann Minton, but I thought Kristi was the clear winner. I guess the judges got it right since she placed at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 12:22:25 04/21/21 Wed Love the girl that is right over Glakas' shoulder . Pure disgust and does not even try to hide it. (NT) -- No name, 13:51:31 04/21/21 Wed Seriously? That Production was straight out of high school, it was hilarious and have played it at several parties. And when she gets crowned is so over the top, it is also hilarious (NT) -- No name, 13:53:22 04/21/21 Wed She looks happy Do you prefer a sour look (NT) -- No name, 15:47:45 04/21/21 Wed Most people prefer a honest realistic response. Not the fake, phony BS you saw KG project. (NT) -- No name, 17:44:31 04/21/21 Wed OMG the Glack! That brings back memories! If I remember correctly, most of the other contestants were not thrilled she won and had no problem showing it! (NT) -- No name, 17:55:32 04/21/21 Wed You may not know this, but what makes the response so phony looking is that this was a young woman who had already won Miss VA USA and Miss VA Teen USA, was a noted front-runner (maybe former runner-up). She acted as if it was totally out of the blue that she won. It was a reaction I'd expect from a brand new girl or a girl who never won or placed at any pageant in her life. There was a Miss NJ years ago who won after multiple years of not even placing in top 10. I could see an over the top reaction for someone like her. But Kristi, my question was "really? Are you that falling-over shocked that you won as if it wasn't even a possibility?" (NT) -- No name, 09:15:12 04/22/21 Thu Yes, and that's why we all thought she was full of it at the time. Totally ridiculous. (NT) -- No name, 16:18:31 04/22/21 Thu Just skimmed through it quickly on Youtube - the production cringy and embarrassing. Top talents were weak. 2nd RU Newport New should have won. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:24 04/21/21 Wed She won the next year but nothing at Miss America except Quality of Life Finalist. (NT) -- No name, 18:08:39 04/21/21 Wed Very weak top 10 talents for such a prominent state. The opera singer (who won in 2006) has a stunning voice though. I thought the production was delightfully campy. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:12 04/21/21 Wed As was mentioned here before, Adrianna Scarlotta was seriously robbed at Miss America: one of the best talents of the whole pageant that year. My friend and I were shocked that she didn't make top 10. As I recall, I believe she was 1st or 2nd in her group, which may have contributed to her not accumulating enough points. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:24 04/21/21 Wed I watched it and I expected her to be so terrible. She's not great but passable and I see how she won and did so well at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 18:25:09 04/21/21 Wed Some of the other talents actually made Glakas look good. (NT) -- not an easy accomplishment, 20:33:34 04/21/21 Wed Did the Glick and the Glak both compete at Miss America the same year? (NT) -- No name, 21:05:17 04/21/21 Wed No, the Glack competed in Las Vegas in January 2006, while the Glick competed in AC in September 2003. (NT) -- I believe that was the last time NH made the first cut., 22:01:35 04/21/21 Wed Forget the reaction to winning. Does anyone remember the photo taken the next day and in the press that showed her praying or something? I can't remember the details but it was ridiculed far and wide (NT) -- No name, 08:55:37 04/22/21 Thu I'm not from Virginia but I thought Adriana also got robbed in January 2007 not even making the first cut. I mean in my opinion she and New York had the best talents. One of the problems is that she was a victim I think of this idiotic lottery system we have or had. In her group, which was I believe first night Talent, there were four classical singers just by happenstance and they all were good. So I just think she got lost in the shuffle. Texas (pop singer) won Talent and was last in group. (NT) -- No name, 09:28:27 04/22/21 Thu Agree. I was in Vegas that year for all prelims, and had AS firmly in my top 10. She was great in all onstage categories, and beautiful at functions. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:31 04/22/21 Thu I remember. It was nauseating. Yet another moment of fake and phony BS. (NT) -- No name, 09:58:05 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: In honor of Prince Philip (1921--2021)
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:18:52 04/17/21 Sat Being that today, Saturday, April 17, 2021, was the official funeral for England's beloved Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, how appropriate and timely that I reminded myself of this to post this question. In recent years, we have heard of this Duke of Edinburgh award presented to Miss America contestants. When did it start and will they be awarded this year as well, and presented by who? Did they have any connection to Prince Philip, 99, who died on April 9, 2021, two months before this 100th birthday on June 10, 2021? Were they only for national contestants, or also presented to qualified local and state entrants, and for what were they awarded for and who decided who to bestow these awards? When watching today's live internationally-broadcasted low-key funeral (which the Prince would have wanted), I was reminded of this scholarship prize. It was interesting to hear experts and even family members say that it was Prince Philip, the Queen's husband of 73 years, was the only person who get away with teasing and joking about Queen Elizabeth, even in public. She did have a sense of humor and she adored "her prince" who was ill in recent months and also a very good close grandfather to Princes William and Harry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG9qld-bLkU [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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http://www.missmissouri.org/duke-of-edinburgh/Leader-Handbook-for-MAO.pdf (NT) -- No name, 16:41:03 04/18/21 Sun Never understood that pageant award or even the titles the members of the UK Royal family has. Kate Middleton is princes of Sussex and Prince Philip was the Duke of Edinburgh (but that is a city in Scotland, did Philip live there?) (NT) -- They have all of these titles which include name of cities----how does that work?, 20:58:15 04/18/21 Sun The queen gives out the titles out as she sees fit. (NT) -- No name, 21:13:45 04/18/21 Sun Kate is not a princess, she is the Duchess of Cambridge, because her husband is the Duke. Prince Phillip was a prince on his own before marriage. (NT) -- No name, 23:22:22 04/18/21 Sun Kate is technically a princess, but she cannot use the title in a formal capacity (which I don't quite understand since Diana could and she wasn't born a princess either). Kate will be Queen one day and will be called Queen when her husband is King (NT) -- No name, 07:57:29 04/19/21 Mon Who wants to fo around as Princess William tjo LOL .... Diana was unique, she was a Lady in her own right, so the public easily moved to using Princess. Much like Kate, she is actually Catherine & only we commoners (and press) use the familiar Kate. Back in Princess Elizabeth's day, no one would have referred to her as Lillibet in public (NT) -- No name, 12:36:08 04/19/21 Mon Diana was Princess of Wales because her husband was 2nd in line to the throne. When the Queen dies and Charles becomes King, William and Kate will move up in rank and will become Prince and Princess of Wales. I'm honestly embarrassed I know this lol. (NT) -- No name, 13:24:13 04/19/21 Mon Right before I read your comment I was preparing my fingers to type the same response. Also, at the same time telling myself that I really need to get out more because it is rather embarrassing that I know this, lol. (NT) -- No name, 20:19:33 04/19/21 Mon Also, The Princess Royal is an honorary title traditionally bestowed by the monarch upon the eldest daughter after years of public service. Anne currently holds the title and Charlotte will have it eventually. The Dukedom of York is traditionally granted to the second son. Andrew now, Louis future. Kate will not be Princess of Wales until Charles bestows the POW title to William. Camilla IS the Princess of Wales now, but doesn't use the title. (NT) -- If Kate and Meghan were not Duchesses they would be titled The Princess William/The Princess Henry, 15:54:52 04/22/21 Thu Kate will be Queen Consort. (NT) -- No name, 06:35:49 04/21/21 Wed Just reading this, still begs the answer to the question....so what is the difference between the Edinburgh, Cambridge, Sussex, Wales, and the rest in title names? Yes, the Queen bestows the titles (NT) -- but do those areas or cities reflect where the person lives or was born??, 19:10:35 04/19/21 Mon No, but some of the titles have been awarded for over 800 years. They are honorary titles bestowed by the Queen, most based on merit, and frequently bestowed right after the previous titleholder's death. This may help: https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-British-Peerage/ (NT) -- No name, 20:00:31 04/19/21 Mon There weren't any scholarships, State and National contestants could earn medals based on meeting specific requirements. (NT) -- ., 23:52:33 04/18/21 Sun Hopefully, this wonderful program can be continued. (NT) -- No name, 02:10:45 04/19/21 Mon It is a UK program, only part of MAO during the Sam years (NT) -- No name, 12:29:16 04/21/21 Wed It is a worldwide program. So happy Sam brought it to Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 14:04:34 04/21/21 Wed It also left during Sam's years - apparantly DOE Awards wasn't happy with the partnership. (NT) -- No name, 16:04:15 04/21/21 Wed No, Josh Randle ran this for the US. He was hired for MAO and I�m not sure what happened to the US branch of the award. (NT) -- You literally made that up. They were not unhappy., 00:06:21 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Connecticut 2021
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:27:52 04/10/21 Sat Can we get some updates? Were there prelims? Is anyone there or going? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss prelims are not till today - no updates to provide yet. (NT) -- No name, 13:43:48 04/10/21 Sat What time are finals? (NT) -- No name, 11:06:28 04/11/21 Sun 2 today (NT) -- No name, 13:17:11 04/11/21 Sun Top 10 announced on Facebook live (NT) -- No name, 14:22:34 04/11/21 Sun Miss Connecticut -- No name, 14:28:55 04/11/21 Sun Miss Connecticut Top 10 & People�s Choice: 1. Olivia Sally 2. Ashlyn Mercier 3. Sylvana Gonzalez 4. Alyssa Sachs 5. Taliyah McGee 6. Sierra O�Keefe 7. Sapna Raghavan 8. Laura Christie 9. Leah Juliett 10. Victoria Lemme People�s Choice: Jaymie Bianca (NT) -- No name, 14:31:31 04/11/21 Sun My state is still using typical pageant judges however the Connecticut panel seems to be more or less people involved with social causes. -- No name, 14:56:39 04/11/21 Sun My opinion is that judges were split on their fave between West Haven, Rockville, and Milford and so Sapna got a lot of 2nds/3rds. -- No name, 20:55:25 04/11/21 Sun In its entire history, has Miss America ever announced who the overall interview winner of the pageant was before the final announcements?? NO. For the life of me I cannot understand why state and local pageants do this. For one thing, the overall interview winner is probably most often the winner (being it's the most important aspect of the job) so it spoils the final announcement. Then again, if she ends up being the 1st runner-up, people don't understand how she didn't win - especially if she had won any of the preliminary awards. I don't think it should be announced at all . . . and if you do, announce it after the competiton. (NT) -- No name, 01:22:32 04/12/21 Mon At Miss America 2020, they announced top interview for each group as a prelim award. One of those girls was the overall interview winner for the year (but neither made T15). (NT) -- No name, 12:00:38 04/12/21 Mon Local media coverage: https://www.ctfashionmag.com/2021/04/12/miss-connecticut-has-historic-moment/ (NT) -- No name, 12:02:33 04/12/21 Mon There is one reason for the ballot: that despite points, the judges feel another girl will be better for the role. Lifted from our state judging guidelines: "The judge will consider the contestant�s ability to be the Face, The Voice, and The Talent of the organization, as well as assess the candidate�s desire to actually want to perform this job and her ability to be manageable in this position." (NT) -- No name, 11:42:46 04/13/21 Tue and Final Ballot guidelines are: Judges are to consider all factors & a candidate�s overall performance on the Final Night when ranking the T5. This includes the totality of the qualities & attributes of Miss State, her ability to perform critical marketing, brand management and advocacy responsibilities for the Miss State Scholarship program. (NT) -- No name, 11:54:55 04/13/21 Tue and saying all this, I think the judges decided that a plus size woman does not represent the qualities & attributes of Miss State. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:46 04/13/21 Tue I think they were looking for diversity this year with both Miss and Teen (NT) -- No name, 12:20:30 04/13/21 Tue Exactly, woke panel, woke winners. I predict Sapna will do nothing at Miss America, especially if talent is 50% of prelim score. (NT) -- No name, 16:37:20 04/20/21 Tue I think the CT panel really blew it with Miss. If Christie got 1st RU (that high) she really should have won with that talent. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:01 04/20/21 Tue It was definitely not the results I would�ve expected at all. There were a couple in top 5 (and in top 10) that I wouldn�t have placed there. Just odd results all around. I guess you can come across very young with not a great deal of accomplishments or dedication to the organization to do well at this one. (NT) -- No name, 19:51:22 04/20/21 Tue Like who? -- No name, 21:18:23 04/20/21 Tue I think you can tell who they are. The organization did itself a disservice with this. (NT) -- No name, 09:18:53 04/21/21 Wed I was not there, just curious -- No name, 20:55:53 04/21/21 Wed Did not expect those results either Plenty of girls who had the whole package that didn't make it was far as I would have expected. I wonder if this will be a precedent for other states. If so, I'm concerned. (NT) -- No name, 00:57:23 04/21/21 Wed I sincerely hope not. A few very dynamic women left behind at this competition. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:20 04/21/21 Wed I think they made exactly the choice Miss A will make! This is the woke year and Miss A will follow in going completely away from the ideal Miss A. (NT) -- No name, 14:02:46 04/21/21 Wed Why would anyone want to ditch an ideal Miss A? If It's going to be all about woke, then girls who have put so much time, energy, and money into the organization would be better off to rethink the whole thung. (NT) -- No name, 14:49:22 04/21/21 Wed Thing (NT) -- No name, 14:51:25 04/21/21 Wed Exactly! And it seems that some of the girls knew they didn�t have to put much into this and that they�d be frontrunners anyway. Big slap in the face to those who�ve put in so much time, effort & money over the years. I wouldn�t waste any more effort if it really doesn�t matter anymore. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:55 04/21/21 Wed Do you think it was the body that deterred them? No shade, I think she�s beautiful. Honest inquiry. Perhaps they aren�t ready for plus size. (NT) -- No name, 19:59:17 04/20/21 Tue Miss America is at its core a beauty pageant. Fitness should be a requirement (NT) -- No name, 20:03:01 04/20/21 Tue I wish they would add fitness (similar to the teens). (NT) -- No name, 20:13:53 04/20/21 Tue Right!!! What�s so wrong about wanting a coventially attractive and fit winner? Weight Isnt everything, but there hasn�t ever been a fat Miss A (NT) -- No name, 20:15:23 04/20/21 Tue And there never will be. HR routinely chooses the more fit candidate for job openings since statistically, morbid obesity is a liability with insurance companies. It's the reality of life (NT) -- No name, 15:59:52 04/21/21 Wed And people want a conventionally attractive beauty queen (NT) -- No name, 16:33:32 04/21/21 Wed Sapna is sweet and not at all ugly but I'm not sure if she's "conventionally attractive" -- No name, 12:48:42 04/22/21 Thu Well the ironic thing is that Laura Christie despite being obese is actually quite beautiful in her own way. Plus the girl they picked (Sapna) is far from toned, not obese but on the pudgy side. The shocking thing was Alyssa Anderson not even making first cut in a small state. (NT) -- I wonder if she's aged out, 17:04:18 04/21/21 Wed Even if she hasn't aged out, I doubt she would return. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:09 04/21/21 Wed I am not ready for plus size either. -- No name, 22:30:28 04/21/21 Wed Also not ready for Leah Juliett.... (NT) -- No name, 23:01:56 04/21/21 Wed Who of the Top 5 (or Top 10) Could you see coming back? Or winning? I perosnally see no one -- No name, 15:54:05 04/22/21 Thu I've been thinking about the weight debate a lot and I would love to contribute my $.02. A long time ago (well not THAT long, but a few years), I won several local titles but could never crack top 10 at state. It was openly discussed that my weight was holding me back. I was a size 6-8 when competing but for me, a size 6 is FIT. I'm not a naturally slender woman - I never will be and I don't want to be. But I'll never forget the women at the Crowning Touch in MA making me feel like absolute garbage for not being a size 2. (Click in) -- No name, 13:18:17 04/22/21 Thu That�s awful. I agree. But like you said, size 6 is fit.... being obese doesn�t fit the bill (NT) -- No name, 13:58:24 04/22/21 Thu Agree. Thicker, etc. is fine but obese is not the ideal. (NT) -- No name, 14:05:01 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: News Flash! Miss America signs 3 year contract with Mohagen Sun. This year's pageant to be held in December. Was hoping the 100th would be held in Atlantic City.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:34:07 04/22/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Where will it be broadcast? (NT) -- No name, 12:06:37 04/22/21 Thu The article didn't say what network would broadcast it. (NT) -- No name, 13:36:48 04/22/21 Thu Is it being broadcast?? (NT) -- No name, 15:18:26 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: Latest Pageant Hay Day Postings
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:43:06 04/22/21 Thu Non-finalist talent winners from Debbye Turner's year as well as Marjorie Vincent's year. Also Miss Alabama 1998. Enjoy! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss USA / Miss Teen USA
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:14:04 04/21/21 Wed TULSA, Okla. (KTUL) � The Muscogee (Creek) Nation announced that the River Spirit Casino Resort will be hosting the Miss USA and Miss Teen USA competitions in Tulsa this fall. It will be held November 26-29, 2021, in the Paradise Cove Theater. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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wow! i know the Miss Oklahoma MAO people are furious about that. People will be sponsoring Miss USA instead of Miss O MAO (NT) -- Bob, 14:14:03 04/21/21 Wed Doubtful, Miss OK is very strong program. (NT) -- No name, 15:11:53 04/21/21 Wed But Tulsa is a small community,,and many companies will chose to spend their dollars on a national miss usa broadcast instead of a local, not even broadcast statewide pageant (NT) -- joellen, 22:26:37 04/21/21 Wed plus---pageants are a very low priority now for most companies, still recovering from the pandemic----I agree, this will be a huge hit for Miss O to absorb (NT) -- former local director, 22:28:44 04/21/21 Wed A lot of pageants are held over that weekend (NT) -- P, 15:34:42 04/21/21 Wed Miss Oklahoma sponsors have been cultivated over many years, it will not hurt them at all. This is a win for the Tulsa Business Community (NT) -- No name, 10:46:42 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Pennsylvania
Author: Please help [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:36:52 04/21/21 Wed Berks � Bucks � (May 2 2021) Butler - Central Pa � Meghan Sinisi � baton � �Defying Gravity� � 4RU�18 Commonwealth � Lexi Bryant - dance Crawford � Freedom Forge - Hazelton - Juniata Valley � Abigail Bachman � dance � �Vis Dolorosa� � T10�18, T10�17, T10�16 Keystone - Lancaster � Kayla Myers � cheerleading � �19,�18 Laurel Highlands � Bryn Patton � dance Laurelwood � Liberty City � (May 2, 2021) Mercer � Midstate � Montgomery � (May 2, 2021) Mountain Laurel � Moraine State � Neshaminy - Northeastern Pa � Philadelphia � Poconio � Marielle Roberts-McDonald � tap dance � T10�19, �18, �17 Reading Red Rose City � Southeatern Pa � Southwest Pa � Jayden Moffa � vocal � T10�19, �18, T10�17 Susquehanna Valley � Wilkes Barre/Scranton � York � Elisa Rivera � tap dance � T10�19, �18 additions, correction, information wanted. Thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you (NT) -- No name, 13:43:36 04/21/21 Wed Butler - Mackenizie Longo, Moraine State - Madison Morrow. Could not find any info about either as far as talent or former competing. (NT) -- No name, 13:46:13 04/21/21 Wed Mackenzie's talent is vocal, she is 20. Madison is 23, talent ?? (NT) -- No name, 14:01:16 04/21/21 Wed Philadelphia is Saturday May 1st (NT) -- No name, 14:55:20 04/21/21 Wed Abigail Bachman 2ndRU 2019 (NT) -- No name, 08:10:08 04/22/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Universe Update: The Host
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:37:41 04/20/21 Tue Access Hollywood�s Mario Lopez and actress and model Olivia Culpo will host this year�s Miss Universe competition, LIVE on FYI Television Network and streaming next day free on The #Roku Channel [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Mario�s hosting Miss Universe ...bye bye hosting Miss America (NT) -- No name, 18:00:33 04/20/21 Tue great news (NT) -- No name, 06:12:24 04/21/21 Wed What date is Miss Universe? (NT) -- No name, 08:17:46 04/21/21 Wed He did badly on at least one beauty pageant. He made it about his ego. A host should never be the star. The women should be the center of attention. (NT) -- Also, some of the girls at MA said he spent more time at the mirror they they., 12:29:30 04/21/21 Wed Like that does not happen all the time....Wayne Brady, Steve Harvey, Susan Powell and Regina Hopper (have seen these two Broads in action). (NT) -- No name, 13:48:26 04/21/21 Wed What you are saying about Mario is not true. (NT) -- No name, 14:00:36 04/21/21 Wed Well, that's cause he's prettier than most of them. (NT) -- No name, 21:07:46 04/21/21 Wed Oh wow! That is quite the duo!! Olivia has been one of the more successful Miss U and she�s just gorgeous. I�m sure this will be an amazing show can�t wait! (NT) -- No name, 13:54:27 04/21/21 Wed Not true. She was a horrible co host at the last pageant. (NT) -- ., 23:52:15 04/21/21 Wed Miss America got Mallory ...she will be the host and probably a few other former. Since MAO isn�t appealing to a mass audience anymore or trying to stay on television or get good ratings they really don�t need to have any type of celebrity host. (NT) -- No name, 13:58:39 04/21/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Florida Contenders
Author: Margaux Leonne [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:51:50 04/14/21 Wed Do we know who is competing for Miss Florid? If so, who are some top candidates? Is it virtual? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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On the Florida website are all candidates and great pictures. One of my favorites who was in the Miss Virginia pageant is trying now for Florida. Very talented and my pick so far for Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 13:59:40 04/16/21 Fri Who? (NT) -- No name, 09:51:24 04/20/21 Tue Which contestant is this? (NT) -- No name, 17:54:37 04/20/21 Tue I know none of these women, but Bettis leapt off the screen! Looks very polished! (NT) -- No name, 14:06:52 04/16/21 Fri Pulling for Paige Weinstein. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:14 04/16/21 Fri Page was 1RU for Miss Pennsylvania last pageant and was PA-MAOT 2014, and competed for Miss Alabama in 2017. She is anative of PA, went to school in AL, and lives and works in FL. Good luck to her! (NT) -- No name, 15:52:00 04/20/21 Tue Twirler. (NT) -- No name, 16:54:22 04/20/21 Tue can she twirl in the dark if she goes to Miss America? (NT) -- No name, 20:10:22 04/20/21 Tue What do you mean? (NT) -- No name, 20:13:08 04/20/21 Tue We aren�t bashing twirlers now, are we??? I hope not (NT) -- No name, 12:27:56 04/21/21 Wed Likely Bettis or Sabet (NT) -- No name, 22:47:50 04/16/21 Fri Both are aging out (NT) -- No name, 20:06:00 04/20/21 Tue Not virtual. Not sure who the top picks are (NT) -- No name, 09:51:58 04/20/21 Tue Any newbies who are surprising? Any returners? Other states? (NT) -- No name, 16:52:47 04/20/21 Tue I think most are rising teens (NT) -- No name, 17:54:00 04/20/21 Tue No. Most are 24 or older (NT) -- No name, 17:57:27 04/20/21 Tue Do we think older contestants get an advantage? (NT) -- No name, 20:45:42 04/21/21 Wed

Subject: Madison Watkins
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:55:14 04/18/21 Sun I had meant to ask this weeks ago, but kept forgetting. Tonight on ABC is another episode of American Idol, a show I that I missed the last two weeks. I am surprised and happy to see that Madison Watkins is still on this singing talent show. Does anyone know if this Fayetteville, Arkansas native ever competed in pageants and won (local or state) titles? Madison, 26, is one of the oldest contestants this year and in recent years that I have watched this program, and she is very mature and polished. So, what tonight American Idol (to 10 pm Eastern/8 pm Central time Sunday) and also tonight is the country music award show on CBS, which some day Madison may be a presenter and a winner. http://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/madison-watkins.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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2nd Runner Up in 2011 Miss Arkansas Outstanding Teen -- No name, 21:28:08 04/18/21 Sun ...Good question above. I would have been shocked had American Idol contestant Madison Watkins was never in pageants. I can see her pageantry in her. It sure pays to be in your twenties when competing for American Idol (or The Voice, America's Got Talent, etc.) (NT) -- as she is so mature and experienced. Did she advance after last night's show on ABC?, 19:16:56 04/19/21 Mon No, Madison did not make the top 9. (NT) -- No name, 17:06:57 04/20/21 Tue 1st Runner Up in 2010 Miss Arkansas Outstanding Teen -- No name, 21:34:30 04/18/21 Sun Not surprised to read this answer to that person's question about Madison. However, what I am surprised about is that (at least who ever posted a reply to this posting) that Madison Watkins had not been in (and won) any other pageants or was in other systems. Madison was very mature (NT) -- and lovely. At least she moved up at Ark. Outstanding Teen--2nd then 1st runner-up., 16:45:57 04/21/21 Wed ...correction she went downward from 1st runner-up to second runner-up the next year, but at least she made top five both times at Miss Arkansas' Outstanding Teen. -- Did she not ever attempt locals or state at-large titles to advance to Miss Arkansas?, 16:52:26 04/21/21 Wed Don't think she did. Arkansas does not have at large contestants. All are required to win a local. There are more open pageants than ever before, at least for 2021. Another good thing about the locals in Arkansas is you can only win one time. No repeat winners every other year. (NT) -- AR, 17:42:52 04/21/21 Wed

Subject: Since we went over darkhorses,who do you think is going to win your state??
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:21:46 03/10/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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NY - Taryn Smith (NT) -- No name, 23:25:52 03/10/21 Wed Agree. And hope so. (NT) -- No name, 12:40:56 03/11/21 Thu Still holding on for Nina Zesky (NT) -- No name, 14:21:50 04/15/21 Thu Me too! (NT) -- No name, 10:49:07 04/19/21 Mon GA - Olivia McMillan (NT) -- No name, 23:27:05 03/10/21 Wed I agree on Olivia for GA. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:12 03/11/21 Thu What is her SII? (NT) -- No name, 09:53:41 03/18/21 Thu My guess would be something about embracing your body/ plus sizes. That is what she promoted as MAOT. (NT) -- No name, 13:21:17 04/15/21 Thu WA - Maddie Louder or Jerica Huang (NT) -- No name, 23:38:06 03/10/21 Wed Dark horse -- No name, 01:06:22 03/11/21 Thu Alabama - Charity Bowden, Lndsey Fincher, Lauren Bradford, Camden Swatts have all been top five in the past. Not one real frontrunner in my opinion and there are others who have been preparing hard for this. (NT) -- No name, 08:45:00 03/11/21 Thu CA-Elizabeth Sartuche or Jazmin Avalos but you know how pageants go there can always be a huge surprise. (NT) -- No name, 11:50:55 03/11/21 Thu Well, Oregon has not had locals with any front runners yet, but I'll wager on Hannah Garhofer or Stephanie Magee (both were in top 5 2018/2019) (NT) -- No name, 13:32:16 03/11/21 Thu Agree with Hannah. (NT) -- No name, 13:46:37 03/12/21 Fri This is her last year, so likely she'll win (NT) -- No name, 14:26:57 03/12/21 Fri Age isn�t a factor. Many great women have aged out without winning. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:04 03/12/21 Fri Oregon, recentky, has been heavy on selecting those aging out. Prob just a coincidence. (NT) -- No name, 15:44:34 03/12/21 Fri Only the last two years. The most recent win by an age-out before then was in 2012. (NT) -- No name, 14:08:39 03/15/21 Mon Stephanie is not competing for a spot in Seaside this year. (NT) -- No name, 16:40:34 03/12/21 Fri I�d put my money on Allison Burke. She was 1st runner up to Shivali last year. (NT) -- No name, 05:58:30 03/28/21 Sun That does not matter - Shiv was 1st to Harley, then 3rd to Taylor; Stephanie was 1st to Taylor, then 4th to Shivali; Allison did not make top five in 2018. Since Stephanie has moved to Volunteer, my money is on Hannah. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:49 03/30/21 Tue Personally I would love to see someone new and fresh take Oregon this year. (NT) -- No name, 18:44:50 04/16/21 Fri Sophia Takla (NT) -- No name, 11:20:21 04/18/21 Sun I agree. Saw on the Oregon voy, 7 out of 10 are new. (NT) -- No name, 15:07:13 04/18/21 Sun 10? They have 10 candidates? (NT) -- No name, 17:03:25 04/18/21 Sun A past top 5 finish means nothing, especially under previous formats. If a woman did well because swim suit is her strength, and, let's face it, there are A LOT of former Miss States who won on beauty. Not saying these women aren't gorgeous, but they also have to be talented--really, truly, talented--and smart. I think an incredible talent will win Miss America this year, simply in response to Camille. Just my two cents (NT) -- No name, 14:21:07 03/11/21 Thu Yeah, who know? The two mentioned above made top 5 in both versions, maybe that bodes well. (NT) -- No name, 18:22:30 03/11/21 Thu Ky.. Abby Quamman (NT) -- No name, 14:51:26 03/11/21 Thu I like Chapel Tinius but she is very young. (NT) -- No name, 12:57:52 03/15/21 Mon so is Abby. I think it would be a disservice to send either of them now but Kentucky is known for doing just that (NT) -- No name, 13:56:55 03/15/21 Mon I see Heather French Henry�s daughter is competing as Miss Bardstown (NT) -- No name, 11:53:27 03/18/21 Thu Wow, the time sure does fly. How old is her daughter? I feel like Heather was just crowned. Can't believe it's been 20 years! (NT) -- No name, 14:55:15 04/15/21 Thu Any of the 5 former outstanding teens or Haley Wheeler. (NT) -- No name, 16:24:47 04/16/21 Fri I can see Lauren Bohl and Laura Hancock being there last 2 standing both that the maturity and talent (NT) -- No name, 09:39:18 04/19/21 Mon RI- Raquel Perez or Ali Hornung (NT) -- No name, 18:11:17 03/11/21 Thu NE: Allison Baird deserves it (she's been dedicated to this program a long time) but Morgan Holen is pretty incredible so there's your 1 and 2. (NT) -- No name, 18:36:50 03/11/21 Thu SC: Anna Newton or Jada Samuel (NT) -- No name, 01:24:12 03/12/21 Fri OK: Sunny Day or Maggie Bond (NT) -- No name, 14:46:33 03/12/21 Fri I would be ok with either of these for Oklahoma! (NT) -- No name, 14:46:43 03/18/21 Thu In Ohio, Grace Brown & Jordan Meyer are the T5 returnees and Baylee Martin & Daniella Vivcharenko from T10, but I don't think any of them will be the one this year. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:45 03/12/21 Fri So who do you think is �the one�? A non-finalist, a rookie? (NT) -- Groove, 18:49:10 04/15/21 Thu Not a rookie, but a 'veteran'. (NT) -- No name, 21:19:44 04/16/21 Fri Agreed. I think it�s Amanda Freel. (NT) -- No name, 19:22:07 04/15/21 Thu I could see that happening... (NT) -- No name, 21:27:22 04/16/21 Fri My pick is Jordan Meyer (NT) -- No name, 20:49:29 04/15/21 Thu Jordan will be strong contestant. Ohio loves their opera singers. There are 3-4 competing again this year. Will it be a battle between them to send another opera singer to MA? (NT) -- No name, 21:34:30 04/16/21 Fri Did Jordan compete in Miss Pennsylvania a couple of years back? (NT) -- No name, 07:59:19 04/18/21 Sun I know she was Miss Northwestern Pennsylvania 2018. (NT) -- No name, 12:42:11 04/19/21 Mon Who all is singing Opera? I think Emma has a great shot!! (NT) -- No name, 14:33:11 04/17/21 Sat They haven't announced talent selections, but in locals Jordan, Emma, Olivia Fosson sang opera, and Olivia Kenter sang a broadway ballad. (NT) -- Emma didn't place last time & I don't see that for this year either., 12:49:17 04/19/21 Mon Agreed! (NT) -- No name, 12:42:13 04/21/21 Wed What about Grace winning? (NT) -- No name, 23:57:26 04/15/21 Thu I agree Grace has a great chance of winning (NT) -- No name, 14:15:18 04/17/21 Sat Not in Ohio. (NT) -- too much baggage, 12:34:58 04/19/21 Mon Lies. No baggage whatsoever. (NT) -- No name, 16:27:42 04/19/21 Mon I should note, the baggage has nothing to do with Grace herself. She's lovely. (NT) -- but she's a package deal, 21:22:17 04/19/21 Mon* Wrong again. (NT) -- No name, 10:51:58 04/20/21 Tue Jaeleen Davis will surprise you (NT) -- No name, 07:15:14 04/16/21 Fri She's competed in Michigan 5 times, and I don't believe has placed. Please correct me if I'm wrong. (NT) -- & only Alice Magoto- who also won OHUSA, won on her 1st try in like 100 yrs, lol, 21:16:57 04/16/21 Fri She placed top 10 (NT) -- No name, 14:13:43 04/17/21 Sat 2003 was the last time a first time contestant won Miss Ohio (NT) -- No name, 06:39:49 04/18/21 Sun And that was 18yrs ago, before Steven was ED. Don't see that happening in Ohio in the next 18yrs unless another Alice comes along (NT) -- No name, 12:47:46 04/19/21 Mon Stock going up this year: Danielle Vivcharenko- strong all-around & I think will get stronger; Emelia Sharin- strong interviewer, solid platform, upped her talent; Amanda Freel- consistently good interviewer, improved talent, impressive story, STEM. (NT) -- No name, 22:53:14 04/16/21 Fri I think about half of the contestants are new, it�ll be interesting to see the top 10! (NT) -- No name, 19:20:27 04/18/21 Sun I'm interested in watching BreeOnna Taylor. She's new to Ohio, but competed the last two seasons in PA, receiving the NFT award in 2018. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:12 04/19/21 Mon Taylor? Where in the hell are you getting that? Her last name is Springer. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:17 04/20/21 Tue TEXAS - Nicole Wingard , Averie Bishop, Madison Franquiz, or Mallory Fuller (NT) -- No name, 17:38:33 03/12/21 Fri Wingard is definitely a dark horse because there�s not much to work with. I can�t gather a lot from her social media. Franquiz is extremely active and does a lot of appearances. Bishop I wouldn�t say is a dark horse in a general understanding. She�s more so super radical and �different�? Something texas needs. Love Mallory, seen her grow up and become an incredibly mature candidate (NT) -- No name, 17:47:29 03/12/21 Fri Do you know what Nicole Wingards talent is? I know that Mallory is a violinist and the other two are singers (NT) -- No name, 18:00:06 03/12/21 Fri Nicole is an Irish dancer. You may not know her, but she was top 5 as a teen, and very well spoken. She may not be my winner, I can't see s clear winner just yet, but I do believe she'll be in the top 5. Mallory will do fine and so will Avery, do I think they'll make top 5 again, mehhhh, possibly. There are quite a few really good ladies that people are overlooking because they only see the last season's top 5/10. Please open your eyes to the new and upcoming. My tops underestimated: Keller, Park Cities, Brownfield, Coppell, and North Texas. (NT) -- No name, 20:38:42 03/13/21 Sat Park Cities, Grand Prairie ,Fort Worth (NT) -- No name, 22:30:50 04/19/21 Mon Rockwall also looking good! (NT) -- Which contestant is from Harvard?, 23:44:45 04/19/21 Mon Based on liking them or best chance to win the national Miss America crown? (NT) -- Fan, 16:30:06 03/15/21 Mon .......No one has an answer to that good question. (NT) -- Fan, 13:44:23 03/18/21 Thu Minnesota is either Emily Schumacher or Shelby Erickson. I hope Kellye Cash 's daughter wins virginia and Patricia Brants daughter wins Indiana. (NT) -- No name, 18:04:30 03/16/21 Tue Imagine the prep for Miss America! (NT) -- No name, 18:36:51 03/16/21 Tue MN Schumacher or Bretz (NT) -- No name, 17:37:56 03/17/21 Wed Who can say these days, but I think Texas will go for Mallory Fuller. (NT) -- No name, 23:00:52 03/17/21 Wed Fuller should go to USA! With her height and beauty, she could be Miss USA. Her talent is entertaining to non-musicians, but her repertoire and ability are limited. She speaks well enough. But the young lady is gorgeous and would make a tremendous impression on the USA stage if her swimsuit is up to par. (NT) -- No name, 11:25:05 03/18/21 Thu Indiana: Alyssa Hochstetler (NT) -- No name, 17:00:33 03/18/21 Thu Agree - Alyssa Hochstetler: Indiana (NT) -- No name, 10:41:57 03/20/21 Sat Agree - Alyssa Hochstetler: Indiana -- No name, 10:46:11 03/20/21 Sat Amanda Coy .. (NT) -- No name, 23:31:38 04/18/21 Sun I could see that too! Thing is, there are several strong contenders so it could be a total surprise. Got some girls with killer talents but average elsewhere, then you have girls who are just strong across the board. Indiana is so fun to watch. (NT) -- No name, 09:06:31 04/19/21 Mon Prediction for Michigan -- No name, 22:06:12 03/18/21 Thu Not anyone in the previous top 5. I don�t see Emma Seidel, Vivian Zong or Brooklyn Lambert winning it. It will be a great show (NT) -- No name, 23:10:49 03/18/21 Thu I disagree. It will be Emma or Vivian. (NT) -- No name, 22:03:26 03/19/21 Fri I think Shelby shines and will win (NT) -- No name, 23:56:01 04/15/21 Thu NC - Anne Marie Hagerty (Mt. Holly) & Maura Westbrook (Johnston Co.) & D'Amrah Rowdy (Central Carolina) (NT) -- No name, 09:09:44 03/19/21 Fri Hagerty is a former TV reporter, so I think everyone expects big things from her on stage presence and interview. I watched her Takeover of the Miss NC Instagram, and she was good, but doesn't seem to understand the job. She constantly referred to the "pageant". That's a big No No...Westbrook and Rowdy are barely in college. I think they both have a bunch of potential but need maturity, and just life experience. I see a college grad winning, has a "real" career started, grad school. A grown woman with a plan. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:22 03/19/21 Fri I'm not sure what difference this would make for a winner. Our current Miss NC is a grad and her 2 years of service have been quite unforgettable. (NT) -- No name, 16:02:29 03/19/21 Fri Yeah...she happened to be crowned before the world shut down. Alex was and is a wonderful Miss NC. Big shoes to fill. (NT) -- No name, 16:13:54 03/19/21 Fri Besides her placement at Miss America, what has made her such a great Miss NC? I'm curious. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:10 03/30/21 Tue Her engaging personality that makes you feel like you are the only person in the room...her inclusion of this year's class, and her genuine friendship and mentoring to all the local titleholders. Her amazing talent. Her stunning physique. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:35 03/30/21 Tue she should have placed higher at MOA, she is exactly what Miss America should be looking for... (NT) -- No name, 09:08:32 03/31/21 Wed If she's 24 or younger, how is she a "former" reporter? Did she have a job for a year? Please don't tell me she quit her job to compete at state. Also, describe a "real" career. Is being a reporter not a career? (NT) -- No name, 18:17:45 04/15/21 Thu She did quit her job to compete. She won and her TV station was not happy. Told her to make a choice. She did (NT) -- No name, 19:11:39 04/15/21 Thu Wasn't she a reporter for a local affiliate in Charlotte? Why would they demand that she quit her job after just winning a local? I would hardly think there would be that many appearances as a local titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 00:20:04 04/16/21 Fri Yes, also please describe what a "real" career is. Was Haggerty not a "real" reporter or did she just play one on TV? (NT) -- No name, 00:22:30 04/16/21 Fri You'd have to ask her former boss. But I know they were not supportive, so she did not renew her contract (NT) -- No name, 05:27:36 04/16/21 Fri so, she quit her job to compete in a pageant? That doesn't sound like the smartest thing to do when there is no guarantee you will win. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:40 04/17/21 Sat Depending on the station, some are very strict and spell things out in the contract about things like pageants. They don't want their on air talent to be participating in things their viewers may not support. So they spell it out that game shows, competitions, reality shows, must all be approved by station brass. There was another woman in NC who won the state title while she was a reporter, wasn't there? I seem to remember that, but can't remember the details. It was recent though. In this particular girl's case, being a reporter in Charlotte is a big deal as Charlotte is a decent sized market. I question her quitting but hopefully it'll have been worth it (NT) -- No name, 07:34:05 04/16/21 Fri We'll see...I think she may have over reached. She'd never competed before and just getting started at 24 after already achieving a goal like being on-air in a major market is a bit immature, IMO. Her local committee isn't necessarily known for turning out winners, with the exception of Farris about 4 years ago... (NT) -- No name, 07:56:52 04/16/21 Fri I don't think that it's immature, but hopefully it'll be the right thing for her whether she wins or not. We could argue if she has the chops to land a Charlotte market fresh out of school, she'll likely be fine. I'd question more someone turning down a station in Wyoming or Montana to compete as those are pretty small markets and if that was the only job they could get to get started, it's likely not a wise idea to throw it out the window on the hope of a pageant crown (NT) -- No name, 08:28:08 04/16/21 Fri Interestingly, quite a few quit or left their jobs and moved in with their boyfriends. Then Miss NC decided you can keep your job and be Miss NC. Now everybody is scrambling (NT) -- No name, 13:31:39 04/17/21 Sat I doubt any of them will win. My bet is on either Carli, Lauren or Courtney but who knows (NT) -- No name, 12:48:28 03/19/21 Fri I live in AL and disagree with a poster about no front runners. I think it will go to Lauren Bradford. She was teen first runner up to Jessica Baeder and accepting the teen position as Jessica won the national pageant. Collins McMurray will be top five but is a bit too young IMO for this year (NT) -- No name, 19:00:24 03/19/21 Fri IL will be Izzy Hor Janna H most likely. Maybe Annika S. Or Bree B. (NT) -- No name, 20:46:48 03/20/21 Sat AL-I think it will be Lindsey Fincher.. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:55 03/29/21 Mon That would not be a surprise at all. I think she will be top five along with Charity Bowden and Lauren Bradford. (NT) -- No name, 13:48:33 03/30/21 Tue NC - Carli Batson is my pick, (NT) -- No name, 09:42:11 04/16/21 Fri Carli Batson has my vote for Miss North Carolina! (NT) -- No name, 11:39:44 04/19/21 Mon NC: Karolyn Martin (NT) -- No name, 13:04:55 04/16/21 Fri NC--Hager (NT) -- No name, 12:36:47 04/20/21 Tue NC- L Walsh or C Smith (NT) -- No name, 19:38:14 04/20/21 Tue MO: I think Charlee Bisch will be the one to watch for. She was MO Teen in 2014. But Henson, Enowski, Merrill and Arnold were all in the top 5 last year. (NT) -- No name, 13:29:02 04/16/21 Fri weakest talent among those mentioned (NT) -- No name, 23:28:41 04/18/21 Sun Good thing It�s not a talent show (NT) -- No name, 14:04:32 04/19/21 Mon Interesting, considering 4/5 mentioned were top 5 last year, when talent was ranked the highest it�s ever been. I would love to hear your opinion on the question, since you don�t seem to agree with OP (NT) -- No name, 14:13:31 04/19/21 Mon Miss NJ candidates some impressive new candidates -- No name, 18:30:42 04/19/21 Mon What are you trying to say? If you want those people ranked in Talent, Meriell is the best dancer in the competition and the best talent of those mentioned. Holly is very entertaining and good, Arnold seems to be hit or miss depending on the song, Henson is average as a vocalist and Bisch is behind Henson in talent. Merriell is in the best shape if that counts any more. Bisch and Arnold are probably the best speakers (NT) -- No name, 22:49:03 04/19/21 Mon I would say Henson & Arnold are both great in Interview, I believe they both won Interview for their group 2019, Merrill is a beautiful dancer, Holly is entertaining but to me she is a hit or miss, I think Bisch will be consistent in all phases but maybe not the top score but with top 5 ballot who knows anything is possible. (NT) -- No name, 17:22:22 04/20/21 Tue IA will likely be Lydia Fisher - although she is young. (NT) -- No name, 15:08:51 04/16/21 Fri Dark horses, who is going to win your state? -- No name, 22:27:56 04/16/21 Fri NC - Courtney Smith (NT) -- No name, 12:40:56 04/18/21 Sun Does anyone have an idea about Florida? I used to watch every year. (NT) -- No name, 09:24:32 04/19/21 Mon I want to know, too, and also any thoughts on louisiana? (NT) -- No name, 14:15:43 04/19/21 Mon Leinbach (NT) -- No name, 11:36:41 04/20/21 Tue NH - Ashley Marsh (NT) -- No name, 12:53:39 04/19/21 Mon NM only has 8 contestants. They are all dark horses. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:03 04/19/21 Mon NH- Jana -- No name, 12:09:16 04/20/21 Tue I could see it if Jana doesn�t where that outdated hair piece. (NT) -- No name, 06:25:13 04/21/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Florida
Author: Please help [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:03:49 04/19/21 Mon What are the talents (vocal, dance, piano, etc) for the following Miss Florida candidates/contestants: First Coast -Grave Davis Florida Gator - Ashtyn Brown Largo - Mackenzie Brewer Miami Beach - Sarah Sarver Naples - Ellee Kennedy Polk County - Grace Westerfield Univ of Florida - Jordan Thorp Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thorp- singer, Sarver- singer, Kennedy- singer, Westerfield- I believe is a singer.... don�t know the rest, but I would bet they are all probably singers too lol (NT) -- No name, 09:44:36 04/20/21 Tue Any of these talent winners? (NT) -- No name, 09:45:12 04/20/21 Tue No, not yet anyway (NT) -- No name, 12:28:39 04/21/21 Wed Brewer is baton (NT) -- No name, 20:06:49 04/20/21 Tue Davis sings pop (NT) -- No name, 20:09:11 04/20/21 Tue

Subject: Congratulations to Miss Connecticut�s Outstanding Teen 2021, Aicha Diallo!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:20:10 04/11/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm surprised that Emerson Forbes didn't win with her dancing ability. What is Aicha's talent? (NT) -- No name, 09:14:45 04/11/21 Sun Who were the runners up? (NT) -- No name, 10:21:38 04/11/21 Sun 1st-Grace Kelly, 2nd-Emerson Forbes (NT) -- No name, 11:23:13 04/11/21 Sun Love her dress- very different and teen. (NT) -- No name, 14:03:39 04/11/21 Sun I love it, too. If I'm not mistaken, it could be representative of her nation's flag. She's an adorable girl. (NT) -- Groove, 17:52:17 04/11/21 Sun Her national flag is the US flag. The fabric is an African cloth and representative of her heritage, not nationality. ;) (NT) -- No name, 09:06:21 04/13/21 Tue No worries; I assumed you meant the colors of her heritage. 😊 (NT) -- No name, 14:58:18 04/13/21 Tue Striking dress. (NT) -- No name, 11:04:57 04/14/21 Wed She looks more like Miss United Nations here. I don't think the dress is becoming at all to her and by-the-by it doesn't fit properly either. (NT) -- No name, 16:32:01 04/20/21 Tue Fits perfectly. (NT) -- No name, 06:17:40 04/21/21 Wed

Subject: Where will MAOT be held? When will it be held? Why are we crowning state winners with no plan?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:12:01 04/20/21 Tue Where will MAOT be held? When will it be held? Why are we crowning state winners with no plan? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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can I get a dvd from past years. Program books? To MAO a plan is a foreign subject (NT) -- No name, 22:38:22 04/20/21 Tue

Subject: Today - 100 Hundred Years Ago
Author: History [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:05:29 04/09/21 Fri Newark Sunday Call Atlantic City Pageant Day to be a Big September Feature Atlantic City, April 9. The arrangement committee has been busily at work and the outline of a program for this fall has been prepared with details to be filled in from week to week. There will be five big divisions in the pageant, with prizes plentiful for the best displays. The first four divisions will lead up to the fifth and main division, the imposing �Bathers� Revue� which has been divided into sections A and B. In section A will be girls who are not actresses, or in professional theatrical work of any kind. Section B will take in stage folk, movie stars and professional swimmers, and in each section a huge loving cup will be awarded the girl acclaimed to be the most beautiful by the judges. Then in the evening another choice will be made of the most beautiful girl, this time popular approval to be an influencing factor. Whoever captures the honor will receive the grand prize of a golden statuette, �the Golden Mermaid� and a $5,000 bond will have to be furnished by some friendly backer to ensure the winner will not dispose of it for one year. The winner of �The Golden Mermaid� will receive the honor of being classified as �America�s most beautiful bathing girl� and her picture will be sent broadcast on posters and pamphlets and all correspondence to advertise the pageant for 1922. For Section A, Annette Kellerman has donated the prize cup and she will be one of the judges. Flo Ziegfeld has also consented to serve as a judge and other eminent persons will be secured to round out the jury panel of beauty. The entries in Division B already make up a formidable list and by fall this portion of the parade, it is certain, will be prepared as one of great proportions. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thanks for the trip down memory lane. (NT) -- No name, 14:40:53 04/09/21 Fri Interesting stuff (NT) -- LucidDreams, 21:19:11 04/12/21 Mon Well if the name "Miss America" technically did not begin for another year or more in the 1920s, then technically this year does not mark the 100th year of Miss America. Who was the first crowned winner named as Miss America? (NT) -- And has there ever been a news story or explanation for why the name change and when?, 14:56:29 04/13/21 Tue According to what I've read, Miss Americas used to be able to return to defend their titles. That's how Mary Katherine Campbell won in both 1922-23. From what I understand, Margaret Gorman was crowned with the title "Amateur Division Beauty Winner" or something to that effect. However, when she came back to defend the title in 1922, she was tagged as "Miss America" at that time, based on her previous year's title. (NT) -- No name, 17:22:10 04/15/21 Thu She was 1RU the third time she competed, bringing on the rule you could only compete for MA once. (NT) -- No name, 22:56:05 04/16/21 Fri In 1925 Ruth Malcolmson refused to come back to defend her 1924 title and the pageant asked Mary to come back again but Mary was not interested in competing again. This was another reason they dropped the "3 time" and went to winning once only. (Ruth refused to compete because 'professionals' were winning Inter-City titles which Mary disagreed with) (NT) -- No name, 16:00:08 04/20/21 Tue ooops...meant to say Ruth disagreed with the professional thing - Mary just did not want to compete anymore (NT) -- No name, 16:02:56 04/20/21 Tue This was still the beginning of the Miss America Pageant. There was a newspaper report the next year that tagged the winner "Miss America" and then the Atlantic City Pageant used that "tag" name from then on. Do not have the article about that but remember reading about it in a history somewhere. (NT) -- No name, 14:55:24 04/16/21 Fri

Subject: Middle eastern Miss America?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:52:20 04/11/21 Sun Has there ever been a middle eastern Miss America? What about state titleholder? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is the new Miss CT Middle Eastern? Where is she from? I don't believe we've had a Middle Eastern Miss America, but we have had Middle Eastern state titleholders (NT) -- No name, 22:26:11 04/11/21 Sun She did an Indian dance for talent (NT) -- No name, 15:55:47 04/20/21 Tue Middle eastern -- No name, 07:24:35 04/12/21 Mon Raghavan is an Indian name (NT) -- No name, 09:52:21 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: 2021 Miss America State Schedule (Update #2--15 April 2021)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:46:19 04/15/21 Thu JULY 2020 24 July 2020: Montana�Jessica Criss APRIL 9-11 April: Connecticut�Sapna Raghavan MAY 30 April - 1 May: New Hampshire� 15-16: Hawaii� 25-30: New York� 29-30: Vermont� JUNE 3-5: South Dakota� 4-5: New Mexico� 7-8: Colorado� 8-11: Nevada� 5-12: Oklahoma� 9-12: Alabama� 9-12: North Dakota� 10-12: Iowa� 10-12: Nebraska� 13: Rhode Island� 13: District of Columbia� 12-19: Ohio� 13-19: Arkansas� 14-19: New Jersey� 15-19: Georgia� 15-19: Illinois� 16-19: Michigan--- 16-19: Missouri� 16-19: Wisconsin� 16-19: Kentucky� 16-19: Indiana� 17-19: Maine� 17-19: Pennsylvania� 17-19: Louisiana� 17-19: Oregon� 17-19: Alaska� 18-19: Idaho� 18-20: Arizona� 21-25: California� 24-25: Minnesota� 20-26: Maryland� 20-26: Texas� 23-26: Florida� 23-26: North Carolina� 23-26: South Carolina� 23-26: Mississippi� 25-26: West Virginia� 26: Delaware� 26: Wyoming� JULY 27 June - 3 July: Tennessee� 7-10: Kansas� 16-17: Massachusetts� TO BE ANNOUNCED Utah Virginia Washington [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you so much for the updates! (NT) -- No name, 01:53:40 04/16/21 Fri Virginia--16-19 June. Back in Roanoke. (NT) -- No name, 13:17:34 04/16/21 Fri I thought Miss WA announced their dates (NT) -- No name, 08:39:14 04/19/21 Mon Utah: 8-12 June (NT) -- No name, 15:42:48 04/20/21 Tue

Subject: Are certain states known for styling their contestants differently before going to Miss America?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:16:18 04/20/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I mean compared to how they were styled when they won state? (NT) -- d..., 15:20:52 04/20/21 Tue

Subject: Hispanic Miss America?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:02:30 04/12/21 Mon Has there ever been an Hispanic Miss America? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Technically, Sharlene Wells. She was born and raised in South America (NT) -- No name, 10:57:18 04/12/21 Mon On that note we can also say Angela Perez Baraquio, as many of Philippine heritage try to claim they are part Spanish or part American. (NT) -- No name, 16:44:05 04/12/21 Mon Do you mean Native American? BC no one is "part American" technically (NT) -- No name, 19:32:38 04/12/21 Mon Sorry, this ended up in the wrong post. It was meant for a different one. My apologies. (NT) -- No name, 13:33:35 04/20/21 Tue Wrong post for a wrong post, again. This was meant for a different post. (NT) -- No name, 13:35:16 04/20/21 Tue My post was meant for the first post I put on about competition dates, but the browser shifted without me knowing it and it ended up as a reply to this post instead by accident. My apologies. (NT) -- No name, 13:41:11 04/20/21 Tue Thats kind of an odd statement of Sharlene's American parents from Utah who moved to Paraguay. If I was born in Japan to my American (white) parents, I am not Asian. (NT) -- Sharlene is American who lived in South America, not Hispanic., 15:00:08 04/13/21 Tue Utah: 8-12 June. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:36 04/20/21 Tue Sorry, this ended up in the wrong post. It was meant for a different one. My apologies. (NT) -- No name, 13:37:37 04/20/21 Tue This post was meant for a post of mine about competition dates, but something went wrong. Sorry about that. (NT) -- No name, 13:43:27 04/20/21 Tue I don't think being born there makes her Hispanic, unless one of her parents are, does it? (NT) -- No name, 11:02:47 04/12/21 Mon sounds like a nature/nurture question. a caucasian lives the first 18 years immersed in another culture, are you that ethnicity? i have tan skin, but was born and raised in the US - as were my parents - is ethnicity only based on skin color? (NT) -- No name, 11:27:43 04/12/21 Mon I would think ethnicity is based on ancestry ... not on place of birth or where you were raised. (NT) -- So no, I don't think ethnicity is based only on skin color., 11:34:56 04/12/21 Mon So, even tho I speak not a lick of Spansih; never been out of the US, don't really "do" anything cultural beyond American, (family has been here since the 1800s) I am hispanic, but the girl who grew up in South America, lived the culture and language for most her life (at the time) is not. She is more hispanic than me (imo) (NT) -- No name, 13:25:07 04/12/21 Mon I would think ethnicity and cultural identity are two completely separate and different things. (NT) -- Growing up in South America and living "the culture and language" there does not make her hispanic., 18:38:56 04/12/21 Mon I agree. There was a fair-skinned, blonde bombshell named Eva Ljung who represented Venezuela at Miss Universe in 1989. She was born in Sweden, but grew up in Venezuela. She was embraced by her country throughout her year. She made the top ten at Miss Universe 1989 (Angela Visser's year). Venezuela is Latina by all measures. (NT) -- No name, 19:47:19 04/12/21 Mon What does? A skin tone and last name? (NT) -- No name, 19:56:23 04/12/21 Mon You can be Hispanic/Latino and of any race including white. (NT) -- No name, 00:34:15 04/18/21 Sun There has been one in 1985. https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/09/209245/miss-america-2019-latina-diversity-controversy (NT) -- No name, 11:14:07 04/12/21 Mon It�s important to note that ethnicity and race are NOT the same thing. Ethnicity has to do with language, nationality, and/or traditions, while race is associated with physical attributes like skin color. In the past, being Hispanic has been considered an ethnicity. Therefore, a person can be any race and Hispanic. Based on this definition Sharlene is considered Hispanic if she personally identifies with the Hispanic culture. However, Hispanic people have been largely racialized in the U.S. Therefore, this definition of Hispanic may discount the experiences of many 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanic people who do not associate with their parent�s/grandparent�s culture but who still experience the systemic issues associated with being of Hispanic descent. That said, I think the important question about any first in the Miss America Organization is whether young girls from that ethnicity/race/background can see themselves in her. So, the questions is can Latinas see themselves in her? (NT) -- No name, 13:42:25 04/12/21 Mon NP- thanks for the primer. I always want to respect a person's identity and this helps me to better understand how to. (NT) -- Pro tip: Just ask the person how they identify/ how they would like to be addressed, 19:52:07 04/12/21 Mon They have been "largely racialized" in America due to ignorance and also racism. There have always been Latinos/Hispanic of different races. Much of Cuba has Hispanic people who look like what we see Black people in America look like. There is the every life and what TV chooses to portray as Hispanic. It's why a blonde Sophia Vergara was made to dye her hair brown. It is American ignorance and Hispanic can look like anyone. (NT) -- No name, 00:39:25 04/18/21 Sun

Subject: Who do you want to win your state? Why? Go!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:07:56 03/12/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Kentucky has 5 outstanding teens competing so it will be very competitive. Would love to see Abby Quammen or Chapel Tinius take the title. Both are talented and have the �it� factor. (NT) -- No name, 15:40:07 03/13/21 Sat I don�t think they either have the �it� factor and they are extremely young (NT) -- No name, 18:22:58 03/13/21 Sat How about Haley Wheeler. She was 2nd runner up in 2019. (NT) -- No name, 15:18:32 03/14/21 Sun My Top 11 -- No name, 07:53:22 04/15/21 Thu Pennsylvania- Meghan Sinisi or Alysa Bainbridge. Alysa has done a wonderful job as Miss Philadelphia. Meghan is a great all around candidate. (NT) -- No name, 21:10:38 03/13/21 Sat where can I find the contestants for Pennsylvania? And when will it be? (NT) -- No name, 16:55:54 03/14/21 Sun Pennsylvania is holding virtual local competitions in April . (NT) -- No name, 20:14:38 03/15/21 Mon Has the MAO approved virtual pageants?? (NT) -- No name, 21:27:30 04/19/21 Mon Pennsylvania -- No name, 01:38:11 03/30/21 Tue What state is Page Weinstein competing in? (NT) -- No name, 18:42:19 03/30/21 Tue Florida (NT) -- No name, 19:21:46 04/04/21 Sun Is she a contender for FL? (NT) -- No name, 09:41:09 04/20/21 Tue I would throw Abigail Bachman in there -- No name, 16:04:52 04/16/21 Fri Brooke Mills or Tori Sizemore for SC (NT) -- No name, 16:24:11 03/14/21 Sun Tori Sizemore was 17 @ Miss Teen USA 2013 and 22 @ Miss USA 2018 so she was born in either 1996 or 1995. (NT) -- If Tori was born in 1995, she would not be eligible for 2021., 12:57:29 03/18/21 Thu Tori is obviously eligible. (NT) -- No name, 04:22:30 03/22/21 Mon From my digging, her birthday is in May and she turned 23 just before MUSA 2018. She would have aged out last year, but since 2020 titleholders are allowed to compete this year regardless of age, she's eligible. (NT) -- No name, 10:01:57 03/30/21 Tue Some of my favorite states -- No name, 16:33:36 03/14/21 Sun SC: I would love to see Anna Newton win. She is drop dead gorgeous but look what happened with 2018. I am also favoring Jada Samuel. Gorgeous also but does a monologue for talent, but she has drawn my attention with her speaking ability. There are a few others but these two are standouts to me. (NT) -- No name, 21:10:50 03/16/21 Tue Texas - Landry Champlin! Beautiful young lady, articulate, super talented. Just a breath of fresh air. (NT) -- No name, 13:49:28 03/18/21 Thu In 2019 Landry reminded me of a young Rebecca King. (NT) -- No name, 17:58:15 03/18/21 Thu Love Landry! I'm pulling for her and her friend Mara Carroll in Colorado. (NT) -- No name, 19:30:09 03/18/21 Thu I�d like to see Mallory Fuller or Averie Bishop. I like Landry. But Texas (and MAO) as a whole really needs a titleholder who can bring the org back from an obvious death (NT) -- No name, 00:09:59 03/20/21 Sat I think it�s a toss up between Champlin and Bishop. But they also just crowned some girls from a recent sweeper and can see the Harvard graduate being a dark horse (NT) -- No name, 00:15:12 03/20/21 Sat Where was the sweeper pageant? What titles were given or crowned? How many competed? Who competed? (NT) -- Winners?, 13:05:08 03/20/21 Sat Who is the Harvard girl? What title? How/What is her talent? (NT) -- Will she have support from a struong team? TX likes to crown from high dollar locals., 23:06:41 03/20/21 Sat How would Fuller or Bishop bring the org back from an obvious death?? What qualities about them that would save MAO? (NT) -- No name, 13:10:36 03/22/21 Mon I think all of you listed some great competitors, all with the potential to win. But again, all comes down to the judges on finals night. There�s only so much we can predict. What I can tell you, from years of watching the Miss Texas org, is that we need a titleholder who can bring in brands and companies/sponsorships. (NT) -- No name, 00:17:38 03/20/21 Sat Wisconsin: Miss La Crosse Jordenne Butler. While there is strong competition from some out-of-state gals, Miss South Central Sarah Dahdouh and Miss Milwaukee Angelica Niemann, historically Wisconsin has a record of only crowning girls who are actually from Wisconsin. This could certainly change, but there have been years where out-of-state contestants have scored lower than I thought they should. Jordenne would also be the first former WIOT to also win the Miss Wisconsin title. (NT) -- WI fan, 01:46:54 03/20/21 Sat Indiana: Hochstetler most likely will win and she will represent us well. But want? Either Robbins, Ruble, Keller, Barmes or Ryann. Barmes would do well and the other three are just good girls who have stuck with the state. (NT) -- No name, 10:56:11 03/20/21 Sat MO: Would like to see Holly Enowski win in MO. She has great enthusiasm and would be a great rep for the state. She needs a great stylist to help with the little things including hair and makeup. I know she will have a great prep team for MA if she wins (NT) -- No name, 22:29:40 03/20/21 Sat It's hard to predict who will win when you haven't seen many of them on stage. Beauty still counts. It's not the most important thing but it can be a tie breaker. Talent is still important and communication skills, of course (NT) -- No name, 18:46:47 03/21/21 Sun CT, Laura Christie. (NT) -- No name, 22:13:38 03/22/21 Mon Oklahoma: Maggie Bond or Sunny Day, I've been following them both for years. (NT) -- No name, 19:02:40 03/23/21 Tue Can you imagine a Miss America with the name Sunny Day? Lol. She would get booked just because broadcasters would like to say her name. That would also be a great name for a weatherperson. (Forgot how to spell meteor.....oh well....) (NT) -- No name, 20:07:02 03/23/21 Tue NJ -- No name, 22:02:34 04/03/21 Sat oklahoma teen -- No name, 10:46:10 04/14/21 Wed Amazing talent and gorgeous (NT) -- No name, 15:35:14 04/14/21 Wed MN- Lori Martin Kingbird (NT) -- No name, 20:16:44 04/14/21 Wed Elle Mark would be an awesome Miss Minnesota. (NT) -- No name, 20:37:53 04/19/21 Mon WI-Sarah Dahdouh Miss South Central she�s been top 7 in CA she should do very well. (NT) -- No name, 22:14:54 04/14/21 Wed Tori Sizemore for Miss SC and Miss America (NT) -- No name, 23:46:49 04/14/21 Wed My Top 11--NC: Hager, Smith, L Walsh, DeSerio, Sparks, Batson, Musick, Hagerty, Spencer, Martin, Britt (NT) -- No name, 11:31:59 04/15/21 Thu I was at the local that crowned Martin and her talent is not that strong. Hagerty - why this year? She's been before and not made the top - Same with Sparks. Musick - i'm still scratching my head on her placement at the last Miss NC. DeSerio - I believe she is a comparison to L. Walsh in talent, but I have not heard her sing. I just feel like we are counting out some of the newbies. The last Miss NC had a lot of surprise top placements, I hope the same happens this year. (NT) -- No name, 09:54:56 04/16/21 Fri Previous placement, especially with different scoring criteria and swimsuit, isn't a shoo in. Some newbies are strong. Some repeat contestants, like Hager Sparks and Musick have improved. It's going to be a very surprising show. (NT) -- No name (And), 10:53:03 04/16/21 Fri I thought Ann Marie Hagerty was a newbie. Had she competed before? (NT) -- No name, 11:31:04 04/16/21 Fri Meant to put Hager not Hagerty (NT) -- No name, 11:34:00 04/16/21 Fri Wait, you think DeSerio is as good as Walsh? Did you see her crowned? (NT) -- No name, 20:19:42 04/17/21 Sat I did. She was very poised and her aria was excellent (NT) -- No name, 16:14:35 04/19/21 Mon Well, I guess we will see then (NT) -- No name, 19:44:02 04/19/21 Mon Just wondering, Who surprised you that placed in 2019? (NT) -- No name, 20:21:50 04/17/21 Sat I was surprised at some of the Top 10 - Paige (Asheville), A. Musick, E. Muse, Blackburn and one other but I can't remember her name. (NT) -- No name, 13:00:31 04/19/21 Mon I was surprised about a few of those too (NT) -- No name, 15:16:17 04/19/21 Mon Paige and Musick were top 15 (NT) -- No name, 16:05:12 04/19/21 Mon Didn't Paige win a talent preliminary? Also, I think she was a protege of a couple of former winners that were coaching her. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:54 04/19/21 Mon Paige won the onstage question prelim. award, not talent. (NT) -- No name, 00:31:40 04/20/21 Tue either way, it was shocking (NT) -- No name, 10:39:37 04/20/21 Tue

Subject: Pageant Coaching
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:28:24 04/15/21 Thu If you had 5 minutes to coach a girl for a pageant that had never been in one before, right before she hit the stage what would you tell her? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Head up, shoulders back, slow your walk and smile! (NT) -- No name, 12:52:35 04/15/21 Thu "You should have called me 3 months ago," lol. I would say tell yourself that the judges want you to win and act like it. Exude energy. People are watching you- own it. (NT) -- seriously, right before you walk on is not the time to start mentally preparing, 14:37:08 04/15/21 Thu Whatever you are thinking, is broadcast on your face. If you're in your head thinking about every move you make, the anxiety will show- the frozen smile, a stiff head that never moves, robotic. (NT) -- Instead, pump yourself up mentally- give yourself a pep talk., 14:44:03 04/15/21 Thu Have fun & be yourself (NT) -- No name, 15:42:59 04/15/21 Thu "think of this as practice..." (NT) -- No name, 16:01:41 04/15/21 Thu relax, have fun, and be yourself (NT) -- robert, 22:13:44 04/19/21 Mon Pretend you're already the queen, really get that mindset in your head, and you're showing the judges what they should look for when judging, or something like that that works for you. It's a mind trick which allows you to feel accepted, then you'll be more relaxed, natural, & confident, rather than anxious about... if they'll like you/ you're doing it right/ you said the right thing/ what your friends and family might think/ iow- in your head. This bit of 'acting' softens the vulnerability of putting yourself out there. (NT) -- tell yourself no matter what happens, you can handle it with grace, 22:37:43 04/19/21 Mon While competition prep is critical to succeeding, mindset is even more important & typically the thing a girl ignores. How many girls have we volunteers seen crack from the stress during competition week! You've got to guard your mindset. You can't change/improve anything at that point, so it does no good to worry about it. Actually, it hurts you!! Energy on stage is everything. Negative thinking subtly, and sometimes not so subtly, affects your performance. Protect your positivity. Coach your family and friends- no negativity, no talking shit, no extraneous outside news. (NT) -- Ask your supporters to text encouragement- to remind you of how great you are., 22:58:34 04/19/21 Mon And I tell long time boyfriends, if you're thinking of breaking up, if it's within 2 months of the pageant, don't even think about it. Suck it up. Pretend. Support her one last time. Every year there are girls who are dumped before the pageant & it's mentally devastating to them. The flip side is, if your bf doesn't support you without reservation, imagine the headaches and heartache of trying to appease his ego while traveling for appearances and prepping for your experience of a lifetime at Miss America. That's not a keeper- you be the dumper, for the sake of yourself. (NT) -- "Let her have her dream, or I'll break your kneecaps.", 23:10:30 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: Jason's Interview with Bebe
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:02:43 04/17/21 Sat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyGYqCOs-2U [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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BeBe Shopp is a breath of fresh air and still an incredible spokeswoman for MAO. Thank you Jason for doing this interviews, but please keep researching. You still have a lot to learn about MAO. (NT) -- No name, 13:28:59 04/18/21 Sun While BeBe was correct in stating that the Miss Minnesota Competiton will be held at Grace Church in Eden Prairie (an amazing facility) the competition isn't being held virtually. They are able to hold the competiton in person beause of the large space of the venue. (NT) -- No name, 15:29:15 04/18/21 Sun Jason is a host. He is wonderful. He does not need to keep researching MAO. He interviews others. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:22 04/18/21 Sun She would have no problem convincing someone that she was a Miss America, as she still looks beautiful. She reminds me of a older retired top actress. I also think she should receive a salary as a PR person for the pageant. It appears she is good with all the changes. I'm not, but she is entitled to her opinion. Does anyone know how her daughter fared in pageants? Did she ever make it to a state level? Also, who was the group of 5 formers that she said met up every year for 20 years? The interviewer needs to stop interjecting as he has a tendency to talk over his subject. He should wait until they are finished speaking. Perhaps he will get better. (NT) -- No name, 20:14:54 04/18/21 Sun I love how BeBe called herself a "former". I so dislike the term "forever". You have the title for a year and it's a stepping stone to other things in life. I wish we'd ban the term "forever Miss __________" (NT) -- No name, 10:09:54 04/19/21 Mon We all have our thoughts. I personally like it. She is a former Miss America but she is forever Miss America 1948. I know directors who never stop caring about their girls even after they pass on the title. They will forever be their girl. (NT) -- No name, 12:26:44 04/19/21 Mon But when the women who actually held the title refer to themselves as "former", doesn't that sort of shed some light on things? If they see themselves as formers, who had their year in spotlight and now it's in the rear view mirror as someone else gets their turn, doesn't that tell you something? (NT) -- No name, 13:42:41 04/19/21 Mon It doesn't tell me a thing except that's how she views herself. Neither phrase is wrong. It's all an opinion. (NT) -- No name, 15:09:03 04/19/21 Mon Yes, it's an opinion. But when it comes right down to it, I'm going to defer to the women who walked a mile in the shoes. To me, that "opinion" supercedes everything else when it comes to how to refer to past Miss America titleholders. ;) (NT) -- No name, 15:39:08 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: Schedule for some of the Miss Volunteer America state pageants - Add yours!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:04:01 04/08/21 Thu Miss California Volunteer Pageant - July 7 - July 10, Fresno, CA Miss Georgia Volunteer Pageant - July 22 - July 25, Atlanta, GA Miss Indiana Volunteer Pageant - July 30 - August 1, Southern Indiana Miss Kentucky Volunteer Pageant - July 8 - July 10, Bowling Green Miss Mississippi Volunteer Pageant - July 5 - July 10, Tupelo, MS Miss Oregon Volunteer Pageant - July 31, Salem, OR Miss Texas Volunteer Pageant - June 26 - July 3, Allen, TX Miss Utah Volunteer Pageant - June 10, Taylorsville, UT Miss Virginia Volunteer Pageant - August 12 - August 15, Lynchburg, VA [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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When will the Miss Tennessee Volunteer pageant be held? (NT) -- No name, 22:17:47 04/08/21 Thu June 16-19 (NT) -- No name, 17:35:10 04/14/21 Wed Can't find a schedule for Washington Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 01:05:26 04/09/21 Fri Miss Ohio Volunteer Pageant - June 26 & 27, Marion, OH (NT) -- No name, 12:38:53 04/13/21 Tue So do all the states �crown� their spokesperson before they actually have a pageant and titleholder? (NT) -- No name, 18:39:37 04/13/21 Tue Yes (NT) -- No name, 21:53:59 04/13/21 Tue Why??? (NT) -- No name, 22:40:08 04/13/21 Tue Having a "titleholder" making appearances, sharing the program details etc., is more palatable than a director. Recall how we were dismayed at Gretchen making PR appearances, instead of Miss America (NT) -- No name, 09:55:05 04/14/21 Wed Well if the spokesperson is actually a titleholder, this is why I don�t think you need a pageant coach/consultant as your titleholder/spokesperson. I wouldn�t want to compete in a system whe my competitors might be coached by the current titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 15:27:56 04/14/21 Wed Who did TX appoint? (NT) -- Is it a crossover from MAO?, 22:02:30 04/13/21 Tue Who did TX �crown� as spokesperson? (NT) -- Hoping for a MAO crossover!, 23:05:15 04/13/21 Tue Texas does not appear to be very active, only 3 instagram posts (NT) -- No name, 09:50:53 04/14/21 Wed Texas did not chose to "crown" or "appointment" a spokeperson. From all sources I've had the oppurtunity to speak with, say the same thing, they want to have a fresh start and not use someone as an appointed titleholder. They are still working out who will crown the 1st winner at the end of the competition. (NT) -- No name, 04:15:33 04/17/21 Sat I think this is great! I don�t see the need for an appointed titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 15:34:54 04/17/21 Sat Does anyone know who is competing in TX? Any former MAO girls? (NT) -- Who do you hope switches to Volunteer?, 21:26:47 04/17/21 Sat What does that mean? (NT) -- No name, 22:32:24 04/13/21 Tue will any be online (NT) -- No name, 00:31:12 04/14/21 Wed When is Pennsylvania Volunteer? (NT) -- No name, 13:33:24 04/14/21 Wed Crickets from PA. They only have one contestant at this point who chose PV over from MAO. My guess is that they will appoint her. (NT) -- No name, 08:54:25 04/17/21 Sat Anyone going to CA pageant? (NT) -- No name, 18:45:41 04/18/21 Sun I hate that its in Fresno (NT) -- LucidDreams, 17:00:21 04/19/21 Mon Is NY or NJ having a Volunteer pageant? (NT) -- No name, 07:21:41 04/19/21 Mon NM just announced a Volunteer pageant board of directors. No announcement on an upcoming pageant date. (NT) -- No name, 10:03:49 04/19/21 Mon So happy to hear this! (NT) -- No name, 22:28:44 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: MAOT State Pageant Dates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:18:18 04/19/21 Mon Please list your state pageant dates for your Outstanding Teen competitions. List dates, city and is it being held virtual or live [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Alabama was held March 2020 before the shutdown. That winner will compete at Nationals this summer. (NT) -- No name, 17:50:55 04/19/21 Mon Did they announce MAOT's date? Location? (NT) -- No name, 22:12:36 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: Kansas USA
Author: Me [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:46:25 04/11/21 Sun Gracie Hunt wins! Did she compete in TX Outstanding Teen? I saw she besties with some of the Miss TX girls... Elena Tran, Emma Kate Few, Alyssa Joel. Did any MAO crossovers compete in KS USA? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Gracie did Miss Texas Teen USA at least once. She and her younger sister held titles in the Texas International system at the same time. Appears that Ava Hunt is now Miss Lone Star�s OT (NT) -- No name, 22:48:24 04/11/21 Sun Gracie Hunt was 4th RU @ TX Teen USA 2017 and Top 18 @ TX Teen USA 2018. (NT) -- I think she's going to win Miss USA 2021., 02:02:55 04/12/21 Mon Interesting that for the last few years Tavia (and Gracie) has hosted the Vanbros titleholders boot camps at their Texas home. (NT) -- Vanbros hoping to have new investor?????, 16:47:01 04/19/21 Mon Kirsten Bangs who was 1st RU competed in CA for a few years (NT) -- No name, 01:15:06 04/12/21 Mon Kirstin Bangs was Top 20 @ CA USA 2018, Top 16 @ CA USA 2019, Miss CA Earth 2019, Top 5 @ Miss Earth USA 2019. (NT) -- She was also 3rd RU @ KS USA 2020., 02:10:59 04/12/21 Mon She also competed at CA MAO and CA NAM (NT) -- No name, 10:54:52 04/12/21 Mon Makayla loftland competed in Miss Kansas in 2018 and 2017 I believe - top 10 last night. And Savana Wilson competed at Miss Kansas 2019, placed 4th RU last night. (NT) -- No name, 10:24:50 04/12/21 Mon Her mother Tavia judged Miss Texas just a couple years ago. Her little sister was given a Teen title during an online interview recently. Texas always hopes someone wins whose family has big bucks so they can then hope to receive scholarship money in the future when their daughter becomes a former. Not saying at all that they "rig" anything, but they sure talk among themselves and hope the young lady can pull off a win. (NT) -- No name, 11:48:18 04/13/21 Tue I was unaware that USA pageants offered winners scholarships. (NT) -- No name, 14:28:04 04/13/21 Tue Miss Texas MAO is what the mother judged, and the little sister is an Outstanding Teen titleholder (awarded in an online format sweeper) in Texas. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:37 04/13/21 Tue Is this Tavis the Tavia Shackles who was Miss Kansas USA and was 2nd RU to Kenya Moore at Miss USA in 1993? She also is the wife of the CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs of the NFL. (NT) -- No name, 19:40:05 04/14/21 Wed Yes its her (NT) -- No name, 01:50:42 04/15/21 Thu Miss USA couldn't ask for better publiicity. Die hard pageant enthusiasts will tune in to watch Tavia Schackles daughter compete. Kenya Moore is one of the most high profile formers & Tavia is fondly remembered as a consequence. (NT) -- No name, 11:09:12 04/15/21 Thu Tavia Shackels was also Top 12 at Miss Teen USA 1990 which was won by Bridgette Wilson. (NT) -- No name, 12:22:51 04/15/21 Thu To clarify, is Gracie Hunt a resident and/or native of Texas but just moved to Kansas (for school and/or the Miss Kansas-USA pageant) or was she from Kansas (NT) -- who moved to Texas during her youth and is now back in Kansas?, 14:52:15 04/13/21 Tue Gracie is a Texan, but attending college full time in Kansas. (NT) -- No name, 16:47:50 04/13/21 Tue Graduate student at the University of Kansas- may even be the Overland Park suburban campus- and she works for the Chiefs. (NT) -- No name, 18:57:39 04/14/21 Wed Lots of MAO fans in Overland Park. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:15 04/14/21 Wed What kind of job does she have with the Chiefs? (NT) -- No name, 18:20:26 04/15/21 Thu Her family owns the team. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:00 04/16/21 Fri Patrick Mahomes is my favorite NFL player. He has made the game exciting again. Love seeing him play. (NT) -- No name, 01:55:27 04/16/21 Fri

Subject: Miss Texas Covid Precautions
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:31:30 04/19/21 Mon Miss Texas really had it going on this past weekend for their Spring Seminar. I was hesitant about getting together in person, and this was the first in-person event since the pandemic started. So I wasn�t sure how it would go. Well.... let me tell you it was impressive. Before ANYTHING could be done every person entering the convention center had to first visit a table manned by MT volunteers, wear a mask, have their temperature taken, fill out a release form, fill out a Covid questionnaire, and THEN if everything was okay they got a wrist band showing they�d been checked. And as more people came in later they kept it up. I could not have felt more comfortable. It was so great having such a well organized, cautious event. Can�t wait for Miss Texas week!! Great job everybody, THANK YOU!, [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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so who was looking good? Any surprises? (NT) -- Getting excited for TX, 12:17:50 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: Texas held their Spring Meeting this past weekend. Are there any impressive front runners? Any surprising new ladies? There seems to be a lot of new ladies this year. Any surprising and revamped returning?
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Subject: Miss Texas Covid Precautions
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:23:29 04/19/21 Mon Miss Texas really had it going on this past weekend for their Spring Seminar. I was hesitant about getting together in person, and this was the first in-person event since the pandemic started. So I wasn�t sure how it would go. Well.... let me tell you it was impressive. Before ANYTHING could be done every person entering the convention center had to first visit a table manned by MT volunteers, wear a mask, have their temperature taken, fill out a release form, fill out a Covid questionnaire, and THEN if everything was okay they got a wrist band showing they�d been checked. And as more people came in later they kept it up. I could not have felt more comfortable. It was so great having such a well organized, cautious event. Can�t wait for Miss Texas week!! Great job everybody, THANK YOU!, [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Just about the same procedure when going to casinos. (NT) -- No name, 04:36:49 04/19/21 Mon This is the same procedure being used any place that's allowing gatherings, even doctor's offices. The release form bit is something unusual though (NT) -- No name, 07:53:28 04/19/21 Mon

Subject: Miss Oklahoma Volunteer
Author: me [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:57:03 04/15/21 Thu Is there going to be a Miss Oklahoma Volunteer Pageant? I was involved with Oklahoma MAO for quite a few years, but do not like the way either MAO or Miss Oklahoma is being run. Would love to become involved with a Volunteer Pageant if someone is going to do one [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Send a DM via instagram to @missvolunteeramericapag (NT) -- No name, 12:02:58 04/15/21 Thu ricky woodard is the director for the Oklahoma Volunteer pageant. He use to be involved with the Oklahoma America group, not sure why he left that program, but it's been a few years since he left it. He's always seemed like a great guy with an incredible personality. (NT) -- No name, 04:09:07 04/17/21 Sat

Subject: Oregon is finishing locals, will hold an open/sweepef AND allow (approved/accepted) at-large
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:11:03 04/15/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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https://www.seasidesignal.com/news/miss-oregon-scholarship-program-to-return-with-hybrid-pageant/article_402caa32-9d59-11eb-80ec-cf348fb95dab.html?fbclid=IwAR0-7MdKNtWBrmpHvjbrGmIhCkCXMTqWfuzw8UK-GQx1pCucbOXEMCZlXZY (NT) -- No name, 23:29:49 04/15/21 Thu Thanks for the posting -- No name, 19:20:13 04/16/21 Fri

Subject: With an eye on history and ideals of beauty, students digitize Miss America archives
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:33:54 04/15/21 Thu https://today.rowan.edu/news/2021/04/images/miss-america-digitization-project.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Will the general public have access to view this once finished? (NT) -- No name, 23:59:31 04/15/21 Thu Great question. Thank you to Rowan University and all the students/faculty and others working on this project. (NT) -- No name, 01:50:47 04/16/21 Fri The article says that the archives will be available. -- PikachusWorld, 09:25:09 04/16/21 Fri

Subject: Miss New Hampshire Local Titleholders
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:06:21 04/01/21 Thu https://missnh.org/local-miss-titleholders.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss Londonderry goes to Berklee. What is she singing? (NT) -- Only 6 out of 26 are singing. Nearly everyone else is doing some form of dance., 19:59:06 04/01/21 Thu Kaitlin Soucy is my favorite! (NT) -- No name, 02:07:22 04/16/21 Fri Where can I find live stream information? (NT) -- No name, 07:35:00 04/16/21 Fri

Subject: The Miss North Carolina Organization mourns the loss of Susan Lawrence Googe, Miss North Carolina 1975 - a gracious, kind, and loving friend and wonderful representative of our state.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:02:28 03/28/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So sad to hear this. Loved her rendition of "You and I" at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:41 03/28/21 Sun My condolences: her rendition of "You and I" from Goodbye Mr Chips was quite memorable. (NT) -- No name, 19:13:42 03/28/21 Sun Simply one of the most beautiful faces to ever glide across the stage in Atlantic City. Last saw her about 10 years ago and she looked like she was maybe 5 years out of pageants. Very sweet and warm personality. Such a shock because she seemed ageless. (NT) -- No name, 19:53:32 03/28/21 Sun Sorry to hear this. If it isn't too intrusive, does anyone know if this was sudden or if she had an extended illness. She was probably in her mid to late 60's, I would assume. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:25 03/28/21 Sun Well, Debbie Maffett is 64, so she might be in her 70s. (NT) -- No name, 22:25:39 03/28/21 Sun 46 years since she was Miss State. Assuming she was in her 20s, I would guess she would be between 66 - 72. That's still pretty young by today's standards. Average life expectancy of women in the US is 79 years (NT) -- No name, 23:33:55 03/28/21 Sun She was 21 when she was Miss NC. I think she was 67. She was still quite young. Really beautiful person. (NT) -- No name, 23:53:50 03/28/21 Sun and keep in mind that Debbie was at the top of the age limit when she won Miss America seven years later. (NT) -- No name, 10:00:00 03/29/21 Mon Remember, Debbie Maffet and Tawny Godin are only a couple of months apart in age, but won Miss America 7 years apart. (NT) -- No name, 14:28:24 03/29/21 Mon She was on Hollywood Squares the other day, looking gorgeous. She had to decide which came first, the drive in movie theater or the Pill. She had no clue and said the Pill came first.... Honey you were conceived in the 50s in a drive-in before the Pill existed. (NT) -- No name, 10:38:01 04/01/21 Thu Are you referring to Tawny or Debbie? (NT) -- No name, 10:45:39 04/01/21 Thu You must have seen that old rerun on Pluto TV with her wearing that red sequin top? Yes, she did look gorgeous. However, I thought that must have been a few years after she was Miss America because she looked about 32. But they kept addressing her as Miss America, so I guess she must have been current. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:30 04/01/21 Thu You said "She" three times---who are you speaking of? And what year was this show? (NT) -- ., 18:34:40 04/05/21 Mon .......Not sure either. Was it Debra Maffett or Tawny Godin on that tv show? (NT) -- Will it re-air again and on what channel, as don't recognize what you mentioned., 17:59:10 04/06/21 Tue It was Debra Maffett. It is on Pluto TV (streaming) old episodes of Hollywood Squares. (NT) -- No name, 20:46:45 04/06/21 Tue What does Texas native and California transplant resident Debra Sue Maffett (Miss California 1982 and Miss America of 1983) have to do with (NT) -- the death and obituary for Miss NC 1975, Susan Lawrence Googe?, 14:06:24 04/01/21 Thu ....I was wondering the same thing. By the way, when was the last time Susan returned to the Miss North Carolina pageant (NT) -- and had she been an active pro-pageant former NC winner?, 14:00:34 04/02/21 Fri I know she was there for the 75th Reunion a few years ago. Over the years I would see her every now and again judging a local. Susan was never the typical "Pageant" girl. She entered her first local at the very last minute (Miss Thomasville) won that, then won Miss NC, and almost won Miss America. Shortly after that, she married her business manager and had two sons. I think she enjoyed her involvement in pageants, but was one of the ones that moved on after it was over. I never could really see Susan as someone who would have gone back to State again and again had she not won the first time out. She did it, almost snagged the big one, then moved on to other things. (NT) -- No name, 00:21:54 04/03/21 Sat Susan had recently battled breast cancer and it had returned from what I heard. So sad. (NT) -- No name, 10:39:09 03/29/21 Mon So very sorry to hear this. Prayers to her family. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:32 03/29/21 Mon For such a noted woman, I do not see a funeral home obituary for Susan (Miss North Carolina 1975), just a few websites which note her passing and a Facebook posting by a friend. Is there not an official obituary for Susan Lawrence Googe? (NT) -- http://deaddeath.com/death/susan-lawrence-googe-obituary-death-has-died/, 16:29:25 03/30/21 Tue Some families do not want to submit obituaries. My grandmother insisted we don't, and we honored her request. (NT) -- No name, 19:56:54 04/05/21 Mon https://www.hayworth-miller.com/obituary/SusanLawrence-Googe (NT) -- No name, 16:43:42 03/30/21 Tue Deepest sympathy (NT) -- No name, 16:53:28 03/30/21 Tue What an accomplished lady. She will be missed. (NT) -- No name, 17:54:46 03/30/21 Tue This is an interesting coincidence......Both of Tawny's 1st runner-ups in both Miss New York (Mary Hintenberger) and Miss America (Susan Lawrence) were both born in 1954 and both passed away from breast cancer. (NT) -- No name, 20:34:04 04/01/21 Thu She was gorgeous...both inside and out. This was the first pageant I ever remember watching and was mesmerized by her looks. (NT) -- No name, 17:17:25 04/13/21 Tue The Miss Kansas from 1975 also passed away this past year: Jana Salmans--Jordan (NT) -- No name, 18:28:58 04/15/21 Thu That's so sad. I wonder if those (NC & KS) are the only two gone from that class? (NT) -- No name, 00:02:25 04/16/21 Fri Prayers for her family. (NT) -- No name, 19:15:25 04/15/21 Thu

Subject: Next competitions for May
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:15:23 04/12/21 Mon Next three states in line... New Hampshire, Hawaii, and Vermont! Any predictions? Any insights? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Don't have a clue (NT) -- No name, 17:29:21 04/13/21 Tue New York would be on Memorial Day Weekend (Competition week, according to their website is 25-30 May). Click this for more info. BTW, any big contenders in that state? -- No name, 20:57:09 04/15/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Lynchburg Volunteer
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:56:28 03/15/21 Mon Welcome to our first Miss Virginia Volunteer contestant, Mia Nelson! Mia is currently a senior at Liberty University studying digital media and journalism and she will be represented as Miss Lynchburg in our upcoming pageant this August! Each contestant gets to pick their title, so make sure to sign-up soon to be able to represent the county or city within Virginia that you want! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Maybe they have no choice until the system gets off the ground, but I see possible problems with this "pick your own city" concept. When I was a local MAO director a few years back, ours was an open pageant and sponsors could never understand why a girl who might live 150 miles away was our titleholder. It eventually cost us sponsors. So I hope eventually the system can develop into having true locals. (NT) -- Not sure it will catch on........., 10:05:38 03/15/21 Mon USOA, USA and others do this with statewide pageants. With MVA, they girls need to have a connection with their title. My state had a similar issue with their refional opens, once they went statewide, the open titles were more 'statewide" like Miss State Mount Range, or Miss River Runs Thru The State. Nor more Miss Big City with the titleholder from the other end of the state. (NT) -- No name, 10:27:58 03/15/21 Mon They do not have locals or sponsorships. It's the same concept of USA and there are zero issues. The girls is merely picking an area she may live in or go to school. If she makes appearances, that is up to her. (NT) -- So there really isn't any issues with this., 12:18:55 03/15/21 Mon This girl is very pretty. Looks like pageant contestants used to. (NT) -- No name, 22:48:11 03/15/21 Mon As a current sponsor of a local chapter I agree with your comments. I no problem supporting local girls, but I have a problem with supporting somebody with no local connection. -- No name, 16:23:19 04/12/21 Mon Hopefully as the organization gets larger - they will have locals. Meanwhile, they have to start somewhere. -- No name, 19:44:14 04/12/21 Mon Volunteer is going to be Fabulous!! -- Big fan!!, 15:19:42 03/16/21 Tue Are any girls from MAO switching over? I would love to see a few of them. (NT) -- Some weren�t finished., 14:31:00 04/12/21 Mon Yes! CA Volunteer has at least one that competed in MAO and has switched to MVA (NT) -- No name, 14:45:44 04/12/21 Mon Oregon has a girl who was top 5 in 2018 & 2019 (NT) -- No name, 16:09:10 04/12/21 Mon hat is fantastic news! Who is it? -- No name, 18:09:21 04/12/21 Mon Stephanie Magee (1st runner up in 2018, final 1.0 & 4th in 2019, first 2.0j (NT) -- No name, 19:58:22 04/12/21 Mon Great News! I wish her the best. -- No name, 22:28:45 04/13/21 Tue Why do they have to switch. Girls in my state are doing both. (NT) -- No name, 22:35:04 04/13/21 Tue They cannot hold two concurrent titles. (NT) -- No name, 19:32:44 04/14/21 Wed From the MVA contract - Participation in Other Competitions. Contestant shall not become a Contestant or participant in any pageant or competition that is not affiliated with the MVA system during Contestant�s Tenure......MAO contract-Participation in Other Competitions. Contestant shall not become a Contestant or participant in any pageant or competition that is not affiliated with the MVA system during Contestant�s Tenure (NT) -- No name, 19:41:48 04/14/21 Wed ooos, new MAO contract does not allow copy/paste .. but it is the same language as before .. cannot hold another title in a similar program (NT) -- No name, 19:46:05 04/14/21 Wed Who? Which state? (NT) -- No name, 21:53:00 04/14/21 Wed What is the best way to make a donation to Volunteer? No longer donating to my MAO State Org. (NT) -- No name, 17:28:59 04/12/21 Mon I would donate at the state level for starters. (NT) -- No name, 23:35:58 04/12/21 Mon I saw her photos along with a write-up on the university website and she is gorgeous. She reminds me of what MAO use to be. Based on the write-up, she started with MAO. With smart girls like her, I think Volunteer has a good future. -- No name, 20:00:28 04/12/21 Mon Several photos here aren't showing for me, just the little Question Mark box. (NT) -- is the link broken or expired?, 23:28:04 04/14/21 Wed

Subject: Who has the record of trying to win their state pageant? Sarah Klein of Oklahoma tried many times. I remember a girl from Nebraska who looked like Ginger Rogers who tried many times and finally won.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:38:49 04/09/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Well if Alyssa Anderson wins Miss Connecticut on Sunday afternoon, she may break those records. (NT) -- lol, 20:39:53 04/09/21 Fri Has she been first runnerup? (NT) -- No name, 08:20:13 04/10/21 Sat l don't think so. She was 2nd runner up in 2019 and was definitely not 1st ru in 2018 or 2017. (NT) -- she's more the 1.0 type if u ask me. If she wins Sunday I doubt she'll do anything at Miss America., 11:16:35 04/10/21 Sat This year�s Miss Kansas won on her seventh attempt. (NT) -- No name, 20:40:24 04/09/21 Fri Wasn't there a hearing-impaired Miss Maryland wayyyy back who won on her 8th try? I seem to remember that. Deborah something maybe???? (NT) -- No name, 00:45:45 04/10/21 Sat 2013-5: Semifinalist. 2016: Non-finalist. 2017: 1RU & prelim talent. 2018: 3RU & prelim talent. 2019: winner and prelim gown. Annika won on her last attempt. There are some other honors sprinkled throughout those years, too. (NT) -- No name, 14:23:23 04/10/21 Sat Miss Vermont Alayna Westcom had tried every single year and even some teen I think and finally won her last year. If she had won in 2020 she could have been Miss America being the first one to do a science experiment!! (NT) -- No name, 07:14:25 04/10/21 Sat Tianna Vanderhei, Miss WI 2018, competed it�s state six times before finally winning the title. (NT) -- No name, 11:20:27 04/10/21 Sat Becky Minger of Ohio took six times to win in 2010. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:46 04/10/21 Sat Loved Becky as Miss OH (NT) -- No name, 16:02:12 04/10/21 Sat Victoria Huggins took five trips to State before winning NC (NT) -- No name, 13:13:44 04/10/21 Sat Amy Crawford completed for the Miss Washington title how many times until she finally switched and won the Miss Washington-USA pageant in 2005----but did nothing at Miss USA. During at least one year (NT) -- as a Miss WA runner-up she got top ten at Miss National Sweetheart in 2001., 13:28:05 04/10/21 Sat In Wisconsin, the previous record for unsuccessful attempts at the state title were two, then in 2018 one of them (Tiana Marie Vanderhei of Wisconsin Rapids) became Miss Wisconsin on her sixth try...a state record. She would then win an on-stage interview award and place top 15 at Miss America Tianna and her older sister Morgan (Miss Wisconsin Rapids Area 2014) are now the local directors (NT) -- of Miss Wisconsin Rapids, their first pageant to be held in October., 13:36:15 04/10/21 Sat Competition is always tough in WI (NT) -- No name, 16:08:26 04/10/21 Sat In Illinois, a talented black vocalist Deanna Marie Riddle competed multiple times at state from 1998 to at least 2004. http://missillinois.homestead.com/STATE.html (NT) -- Here she is singing "I am Changing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftAPGUXPiw, 14:45:15 04/10/21 Sat In Wisconsin, the previous record for unsuccessful attempts at the state title were two who tried for five times in Oshkosh, then in 2018 one of them (Tianna Marie Vanderhei of Wisconsin Rapids) became Miss Wisconsin on her sixth try...a state record. She would then win an on-stage interview award and place top 15 at Miss America Tianna and her older sister Morgan (Miss Wisconsin Rapids Area 2014) are now the local directors -- of Miss Wisconsin Rapids, their first pageant to be held in October.,, 14:48:55 04/10/21 Sat TRIVIA---oddly enough, in all six years of Tianna competing in pageants within the Miss Wisconsin-Miss America program, she never won her hometown Miss Wisconsin Rapids Area title that her sister won for 2014 in Oct. 2013. Red-headed dancer Tianna won Miss La Crosse/Oktoberfest while as a student at UW-La Crosse and the (NT) -- other five years were state-at large titles including Miss Madison in 2015., 14:52:08 04/10/21 Sat Soncee Brown, I forget what year (NT) -- LucidDreams, 17:12:49 04/10/21 Sat Miss OKlahoma's winner almost always competes at least 4 times before winning.----seems to be almost a requirement there. I seem to remember hearing about a contestant in Washington state, i think it was, who was a runnerup 7 times---never won.s (NT) -- me, 17:01:42 04/13/21 Tue Amy Crawford was her name. She was 1st runner up at Miss Washington the last 3 or 4 times she competed. Was 1st runner up at Miss WA USA in 2002 and 2004 before finally winning the USA title in 2005. Miss Washington crownings are on YouTube so you can see her place each year. (NT) -- No name, 20:29:59 04/13/21 Tue

Subject: Miss World 2021 pageant December 16th
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:36:14 04/13/21 Tue The Miss World 2021 pageant will take place on December 16, 2021 in Puerto Rico. Telemundo Puerto Rico will serve as the event's official broadcaster. This is the same day as MA finals?? Click here for video of announcement. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss America is the Thursday before Christmas (NT) -- No name, 15:48:05 04/13/21 Tue The Thursday before Christmas is Dec. 23rd. Isn't it the week prior? (NT) -- No name, 16:32:56 04/13/21 Tue

Subject: LOUISIANA VOLUNTEER PAGEANT
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:42:06 04/12/21 Mon Does anyone know the Director for the Louisiana Volunteer pageant? Will there be a state pageant in LA this year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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MAO would know this information. Arent they suing this person? (NT) -- No name, 10:27:45 04/13/21 Tue

Subject: Miss Connecticut 2021, Sapna Raghavan
Author: Groove [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:50:05 04/11/21 Sun I'm not finding a Top 5 photo yet. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can't wait to see more picture of her and her court! (NT) -- No name, 19:27:58 04/11/21 Sun Just watched Miss CT Facebook for the announcement. The emcee announces �The next name I am going to call will be Miss CT 2021� and then calls out Laura Christie. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:27 04/11/21 Sun She corrected herself after that, and clarified the next name would be first RU. (NT) -- No name, 21:16:47 04/11/21 Sun Congratulations (NT) -- No name, 23:26:50 04/11/21 Sun https://www.courant.com/community/ellington/hc-rr-ellington-sapna-raghavan-miss-ct-0422-20210411-kp3tqzermfhadajmvdscq2gcha-story.html (NT) -- No name, 23:28:31 04/11/21 Sun

Subject: Why can't all the contestants wear a see-through mask like some do now? Would make for much better pictures while still providing safety.
Author: Groove [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:04:27 04/11/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So agree with you. (NT) -- No name, 00:03:42 04/12/21 Mon I agree! -- No name, 09:42:50 04/12/21 Mon I am so for this!!! (NT) -- No name, 10:56:37 04/12/21 Mon Serious question... what is a see thru mask? Plastic? How do you breathe? If it's a material that is see-thru, how does it prevent spread of viruses and germs? (NT) -- No name, 16:39:30 04/12/21 Mon My though exactly. Maybe there's something missing, but the point of the mask is to protect OTHERS, not to be seen. (NT) -- No name, 19:40:28 04/12/21 Mon Yes it is some sort of lightweight plastic goes over the nose and a little past the chin and are worn over the ear like a pair of glasses. A lot of the employees at restaurants wear them as well as big box stores. It sure beats hand made fabric ones which stop absolutely nothing. (NT) -- No name, 22:10:25 04/12/21 Mon I think you mean a face shield. (NT) -- No name, 22:39:00 04/12/21 Mon No, they're not. This is what they're talking about. Look at the outgoing titleholder (NT) -- https://www.instagram.com/p/CNinPN_HkAm/, 23:34:27 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: Random Question
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:25:50 04/12/21 Mon Last week, I watched Miss Grand International. The contestant were gorgeous and their introductions over the top. The evening gowns looked like something from Project Runway and the swimsuit were a half size too small and too tight. The National costumes were crazy good (go Guatemala!). The speeches were rehearsed and the stage layout was modern. God I loved seeing an old-fashioned beauty pageant. Here�s the thing. I almost felt guilty for loving it. Doesn�t is feel like we are sort of shamed if we celebrate these types of events? It is almost like it is wrong to see beautiful women in a pageant. I felt like I actually needed to apologize to a co-worker for showing them a clip from the pageant. It almost feels like watching porn. I so loved it back in the day and I miss those days. Am I alone here? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You are definitely not alone. That is why I support Miss Volunteer. -- No name, 20:49:29 04/12/21 Mon No you are not alone!! I can not wait for Miss USA and Miss Universe!! Also really looking forward to Volunteer and NAM as well! Just good ol pageants!!! (NT) -- No name, 22:00:48 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: 2021 Miss America State Schedule, thus far.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:32:38 03/28/21 Sun APRIL 9-11 April: Connecticut� MAY 30 April - 1 May: New Hampshire� 15-16: Hawaii� 29-30: Vermont� JUNE 3-5: South Dakota� 4-5: New Mexico� 7-8: Colorado� 8-11: Nevada� 5-12: Oklahoma� 9-12: Alabama� 9-12: North Dakota� 10-12: Iowa� 10-12: Nebraska� 13: Rhode Island� 13: District of Columbia� 12-19: Ohio� 13-19: Arkansas� 14-19: New Jersey� 15-19: Georgia� 15-19: Illinois� 16-19: Michigan--- 16-19: Wisconsin� 16-19: Kentucky� 16-19: Indiana� 17-19: Maine� 17-19: Louisiana� 17-19: Oregon� 17-19: Alaska� 20-26: Maryland� 20-26: Texas� 23-26: Florida� 23-26: Mississippi� 23-26: California� 23-26: Minnesota� 25-26: West Virginia� 26: Wyoming� JULY 27 June - 3 July: Tennessee� 7-10: Kansas� 16-17: Massachusetts� TO BE ANNOUNCED Arizona Delaware Idaho Missouri Montana New York North Carolina Pennsylvania South Carolina Utah Virginia Washington [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 17:09:30 03/28/21 Sun Montana had their pageant already. NY, NC, PA, SC and UT have all announced their dates (NT) -- No name, 18:19:01 03/28/21 Sun why didn't you post those dates? (NT) -- No name, 18:58:21 03/28/21 Sun Miss PA didn�t announce their dates (NT) -- No name, 21:12:50 03/28/21 Sun Delaware�s is June 25th (NT) -- No name, 21:30:17 03/28/21 Sun North Carolina is 6/23-6/26 (NT) -- No name, 22:41:08 03/28/21 Sun CA June 21-25 Fresno Double Tree Hotel (NT) -- No name, 11:21:55 03/29/21 Mon I miss Bob (NT) -- No name, 18:06:40 03/31/21 Wed DC is going to be virtual! (NT) -- Looking forward to attending that one., 11:37:29 03/29/21 Mon Minnesota - update per website - Finals are Friday, June 25 and it will be livestreamed. One prelim June 24 (NT) -- Plus a great new venue, 20:42:16 03/30/21 Tue Did Miss Winona drop out of the upcoming MN competition? (NT) -- No name, 02:57:02 04/01/21 Thu great question. No one has told any of us LED (NT) -- No name, 10:14:55 04/01/21 Thu Missouri crowns on June 19th (NT) -- No name, 17:57:27 04/01/21 Thu PA announced yesterday, June 17-19 (NT) -- No name, 13:55:49 04/02/21 Fri Idaho--19 June (NT) -- No name, 10:25:48 04/09/21 Fri Given the pandemic and the uptick in livestream capabilities, there is absolutely ZERO reason for any of the state pageants to not do a free livestream of their finals. I'm hopeful!!! (NT) -- No name, 11:18:57 04/09/21 Fri There is a reason- they can't afford the music rights to 'broadcast' the girls' talents. (NT) -- No name, 13:16:05 04/09/21 Fri A live stream is not a broadcast � FCC regulations certainly don�t apply to a state pageant web site .... (NT) -- No name, 16:32:41 04/10/21 Sat It�s not fcc regulations, it�s ascap, BMI and sesac. You have to pay to use their music . Depending on the number of song,, the amount of people in person viewing and online viewing and the day/times of the week,it could cost over $10,000 in fees for a smaller pageant. (NT) -- No name, 22:46:25 04/10/21 Sat Pre-Gretchen, not sure now, MAO had blanket contracts with BMI & ASCAP (like bars etc) to broadcast, Those contracts covered the states. Very likely those expired in 2019 - hence the big issue with music for the 2019 show (NT) -- No name, 23:40:51 04/10/21 Sat There are some comments on the VA Voy Board that seem to indicate that Miss VA is returning to Roanoke this year, but if there is an official announcement of that or a date, I have not seen it. (NT) -- No name, 10:22:33 04/11/21 Sun My gym got nailed by ASCAP playing a radio station inside the gym. $2000 for the fine. The owner refused to buy ASCAP licensure. No more radio.... (NT) -- No name, 19:58:20 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: Miss NC Competition order...
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:51:30 04/01/21 Thu Group A - OSI/Evening Gown 1. C. Carolina, D�Amrah Rowdy (D) 2. Moore Co., Karolyn Martin (V) 3. Metrolina, Kaitlyn Sparks (V) 4. JOCO., Maura Westbrook (V) 5. Goldsboro, Alexis Brown (D) 6. Thomasville, Emily Pena (P) 7. Raleigh, Carlie Spencer (D) 8. Dunn, Maya Bryant (V) 9. Gaston Co. Mariana Linares (D) 10. Cabarrus Co., Tiffany Rush (V) 11. Wilmington, Bryana Carrington (D) 12. Zebulon, Julia Walsh (V) 13. Charlotte, Maddy Wilson (D) 14. Rose Hill, Ashley Brook Daniels (D) 15. Fayetteville DW, Hailey Hudson (V) 16. Meck. Co., Sophia Kellstrom (V) 17. Asheville, Hannah Teague (D) Group A - 8 (D), 8 (V), 1 (P) Group B � Talent 18. Gastonia, Julia DeSerio (V) 19. Garner, Megan Huff (V) 20. Sampson Co., DaCiya Solice (V) 21. Mt. Holly, Anne Marie Hagerty (P) 22. Randolph Co., Gracie Hensley (D) 23. Emerald Ridge, Tessa Rabideau (V) 24. Stanley Co, Karie Grace Shields (V) 25. Spivey�s Corner, Abby Britt (D) 26. Henderson, Lauren Walsh (V) 27. Sandhills, Courtney Smith (D) 28. Blue Ridge, Hannah Harvey (V) 29. Statesville, Melody Hager (V) 30. Jacksonville, Jada Carter (D) 31. Greenville, Cassidy Stoltenberg (D) 32. Durham, Anna-Claire Musick (D) 33. Cleveland, Carli Batson (D) 34. Wilson, Maddy McFarland (V) Group B � 7 (D), 9 (V), 1 (P) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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#7 Carlie Spencer works so hard, she�s truly dedicated to helping others and being strong in interview -- No name, 14:02:26 04/01/21 Thu Should she be coaching while she is competing? (NT) -- No name, 19:43:32 04/05/21 Mon I thought this too. Not sure it�s the best idea while competing. Maybe after (NT) -- No name, 00:53:43 04/11/21 Sun Thoughts on Top 10? I think there will be several new girls crack it this year. (NT) -- No name, 08:21:19 04/02/21 Fri only 4 girls have made it to the Top 10 or better from this group so I think you are right... (NT) -- No name, 22:52:34 04/03/21 Sat Group A- Moore Co., Johnson Co., Raleigh, Zebulon Group B- Mt Holly, Spivey�s, Henderson, Sandhills, Durham, Cleveland (NT) -- No name, 20:23:55 04/04/21 Sun The biggest question is where will the competition be held? Any ideas? (NT) -- No name, 19:54:11 04/06/21 Tue High Point (NT) -- No name, 00:51:57 04/11/21 Sun Venue Information: High Point Theater 220 East Commerce Avenue, High Point, NC 27261 Preliminary Competitions: MNCOTeen Prelim #1 -- Thursday, June 24 at 3:00PM Miss NC Prelim #1 -- Thursday, June 24 at 7:30PM MNCOTeen Prelim #2 -- Friday, June 25 at 3:00PM Miss NC Prelim #2 -- Friday, June 25 at 7:30PM Final Competitions MNCOTeen 2021 Finals -- Saturday, June 26 at 2:00PM Miss NC 2021 Finals -- Saturday, June 26 at 7:30PM (NT) -- No name, 18:28:46 04/11/21 Sun Holy moly that's one gauntlet of a schedule- 3 days of 2 shows. (NT) -- just put a crown on someone already, lol, 19:49:25 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: Miss CT T10
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:28:03 04/11/21 Sun 1. Olivia Sally 2. Ashlyn Mercier 3. Sylvana Gonzalez 4. Alyssa Sachs 5. Taliyah McGee 6. Sierra O�Keefe 7. Sapna Raghavan 8. Laura Christie 9. Leah Juliett 10. Victoria Lemme People�s Choice: Jaymie Bianca [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Huh? Out of 17 contestants Alyssa Anderson couldn't make even top 10. She's made top 5 in the past. (NT) -- Yikes, 14:37:17 04/11/21 Sun Several of the girls who made it baffled me a bit (NT) -- No name, 14:38:47 04/11/21 Sun Anderson won the Miracle Maker and the Advertising Sales Award. She generated thousands of dollars for Miss CT Org over the years. Why would ANYONE participate or support this org in the future? (NT) -- No name, 17:22:44 04/12/21 Mon Not to dismiss her financial support of the org, but girls can't buy titles. (NT) -- she won awards for those acheivements, 19:37:43 04/12/21 Mon Fingers crossed for Leah Juliett. Laura Christie too. (NT) -- Super proud of Margaret Carpenter-Dove!! Go Aspie!, 15:09:21 04/11/21 Sun

Subject: Miss NH Predictions?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:14:07 04/01/21 Thu I don�t know many girls competing as I had been a huge Sarah Tubbs fan for the last few years. Scrolling through the headshots I think Grace Orfao looks like a good pick. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I thought for sure Tubbs had a good shot of placing at MA. Anway, I'm hoping El-Sayed takes it all. She's a beautiful girl, was 1st RU last year (won prelim interiview as well as overall interivew), and although she was a non-finalist in 2019, she still won the NF interview award that year. (NT) -- No name, 17:45:29 04/07/21 Wed Another vote for El-Sayed, though I wouldn't be upset with an Orfao win. El-Sayed was supposed to have 2 more years, but due to the pandemic, this is her last shot unfortunately (NT) -- No name, 18:48:13 04/12/21 Mon It's a very weak group. (NT) -- No name, 17:31:30 04/12/21 Mon Jana (NT) -- No name, 19:31:35 04/12/21 Mon

Subject: Having nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon, I was watching Logo and an old Three's Company rerun from 1982. And one of the actresses on this episode looked a lot like Laurel Schaefer. Was she ever on that show as a guest star?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:29:28 04/10/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Would these two websites might answer your question? http://www.pageantplanet.com/profile/laurie-lea-schaefer (NT) -- http://peoplepill.com/people/laurie-lea-schaefer, 13:42:29 04/10/21 Sat Yes, she was on Three's Company. Looked so different from her crowning. (NT) -- No name, 13:49:00 04/10/21 Sat She looked a lot different after 10 years post Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 14:15:45 04/10/21 Sat Laurel was also on Falcon Crest as Angela Channing�s (Jane Wyman) assistant. (NT) -- No name, 21:20:55 04/11/21 Sun She was the first Miss America I ever remember seeing crowned. Why did she go from "Laurie" to "Laurel?" I also read in Susan Supernaw's book (Miss OK that year) that she wasn't all that pleased about having to share her car with OK in the Boardwalk Parade after OK's car broke down. A few years ago, I sent her an invite on LinkedIn as we are involved in the same type of business. In my message, I told her I remembered her from Miss America. That was 3 years ago.....so far, crickets, lol. (NT) -- No name, 23:57:45 04/11/21 Sun

Subject: Miss CT T5
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:44:00 04/11/21 Sun Top 5: 1. Taliyah McGee 2. Ashlyn Mercier 3. Sapna Raghavan 4. Laura Christie 5. Leah Juliett [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Winner is Sapna Raghavan, 1RU Christie, 2RU McGee, 3RU Juliet, 4RU- Mercier. (NT) -- No name, 16:23:09 04/11/21 Sun

Subject: Whatever happened to the 4 points of the crown: service, scholarship, style and success? Does MAO still incorporate this into their organization.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:41:58 04/10/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It is missing from website ... so I would say no (NT) -- No name, 21:36:16 04/10/21 Sat I don't think that the "Four Points" have been on the website for a few years now, but it's still an interview question from some long-time judges. (NT) -- No name, 00:17:08 04/11/21 Sun

Subject: Miss America Competition
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:56:05 04/02/21 Fri When and where is the miss America pageant? I thought we were going to find out in March. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What is the date? (NT) -- No name, 13:33:11 04/03/21 Sat Searched, but cannot find - there was a string talking about the date being 12/19 for crowningat Mohegan Sun (NT) -- No name, 18:16:24 04/03/21 Sat That was the 2019 date of finals. I doubt it�s the same, but could be. That�s a Sunday eve (NT) -- No name, 16:38:23 04/10/21 Sat When Shantel interviewed on Jason�s podcast she said she�d announce BEFORE the first state competition began...sooooooooo???? (NT) -- No name, 03:54:40 04/04/21 Sun Has the first pageant happened? (NT) -- No name, 09:08:59 04/04/21 Sun For 2021 it's only five days away. (NT) -- No name, 10:02:44 04/04/21 Sun MAO will have to announce it by Thursday if their promise is going to happen. (NT) -- No name, 19:25:21 04/04/21 Sun Shantel said during one of the contestant webinars that we would know before the first state pageant (Connecticut) and could even be announced that day.. (NT) -- No name, 20:45:38 04/04/21 Sun That's exciting! We will know the details of the 100th this week! (NT) -- No name, 09:14:44 04/05/21 Mon They are having a press conference at Mohegan Sun on Thursday with the Connecticut Candidates as props behind them. Somehow that is okay but CT isn't even allowing their candidates to have in person interviews the same day. So stupid and makes no sense at all. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:07 04/05/21 Mon Is the CT pageant going to be in the Cabaret Room of the casino? It is on the small side but unlike what we saw at Miss America it actually has a stage. (NT) -- No name, 13:45:33 04/05/21 Mon "Wow, what a great opportunity for the state of CT and its candidates to shine on a national stage as participants in this momentous occasion!" Lol people will complain about anything while knowing nothing of the details or context. (NT) -- No name, 13:00:58 04/06/21 Tue A national stage? (NT) -- No name, 13:07:44 04/06/21 Tue MAO is making an announcement to press = national stage. National awarenss. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:23 04/06/21 Tue Would be nice if they had it at Mohegan Sun in Vegas. (NT) -- No name, 21:20:33 04/10/21 Sat

Subject:
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:08:17 04/07/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Checkmate (NT) -- No name, 09:14:26 04/08/21 Thu Way to go MS Volunteer! (NT) -- No name, 10:01:17 04/08/21 Thu awesome!!! (NT) -- No name, 10:12:01 04/08/21 Thu This organization has integrity and class and most importantly a focus on the young woman competing!! Refreshing!! (NT) -- No name, 12:10:45 04/08/21 Thu Fantastic! Way to go MS Volunteer! (NT) -- No name, 12:20:35 04/08/21 Thu Miss Miss Volunteer -- No name, 21:25:07 04/08/21 Thu Curious on why that would matter? They are both from the same town and were on the same board? I'm also assuming that you know that current board members of Miss Mississippi MAO still has ties with Haskell (NT) -- No name, 20:34:34 04/10/21 Sat

Subject: Miss Ohio 2021 Placement
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:39:14 04/10/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you for posting! Should be a very enjoyable competition. (NT) -- No name, 16:09:30 04/10/21 Sat Why no pageants in the Cincinnati area? It has the UC College Conservatory of Music and a strong cultural scene right at its doorstep. (NT) -- No name, 19:52:38 04/10/21 Sat Heather French and Kirsten Hagland were students at the University of Cincinnati at the time of their crownings as Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 19:54:57 04/10/21 Sat

Subject: Miss New Jersey 2008 has
Author: just put up on YouTube. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:16:24 04/08/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did you catch this. It was NJ's 75th anniversary so a lot of formers were introduced from the stage. The emcee said that Mary D'Arcy (1977) was 2nd runner up at Miss America. (NT) -- That's interesting because she was most definitely 3rd runner-up, 00:26:14 04/09/21 Fri Mary was 2nd ru. Although she was announced 3rd ru on the broadcast, it was announced the next morning at the awards breakfast that she had tied for 2nd ru. (NT) -- No name, 01:06:53 04/09/21 Fri Why wasn't it announced on the show then? (NT) -- No name, 09:12:44 04/09/21 Fri A T-5 tie? Did they really do that back in the 70's? I honestly thought ties had always been broken by interview and then talent scores - even at state pageants. When did that practice actually start? (NT) -- No name, 14:07:43 04/10/21 Sat How bad was Miss Arkansas�s (Bunnie Holbert) interview for her to win a prelim swimsuit award AND non finalist talent?!? (NT) -- No name, 07:13:30 04/09/21 Fri It wasn't bad, but according to Frank Deford (One of the judges that year) Indiana's interview blew up their skirts so powerfully that there was a tie between AR and IN for the 10th spot in that year's semifinals. They went with IN, who then went all the way to 1st runner-up while later in life Holbert wound up in dire circumstances. I personally never got the vapors over IN. I thought she was rather lackluster in the onstage categories. Perhaps she conducted her private interview in several different languages, or juggled, or something. Whatever she did obviously worked. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:55 04/09/21 Fri I'm glad Susan Perkins won. She was a breath of fresh air. Her runway walk after she was named was so uncharacteristic of the many prim and proper walks of those that proceded her. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:23 04/09/21 Fri Susan Perkins is one of my favorite Miss Americas, and yes, when I was a local director I used to show my girls the tape of Susan Perkins' runway walk and say "THIS is how you take a runway walk". (NT) -- No name, 21:48:47 04/09/21 Fri Perkins was one of my favorite Miss Americas and I loved her runway walk. When I was a local director, I used to show my girls the tape of Susan Perkins' runway walk and say "THIS is how you walk a runway" (NT) -- No name, 21:50:44 04/09/21 Fri I think she wasn�t a patty and programmed and looked very modern, shades of Rebecca king. (NT) -- No name, 19:31:46 04/09/21 Fri I thought she was cute when she won and loved her reaction. I saw her hosting a state pageant a couple of years after she won and she was gorgeous. She had been Pageant Pattified but she looked beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 21:48:17 04/09/21 Fri

Subject: FRIDAY AFTERNOON QUOTATIONS
Author: Have fun! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:57:44 04/09/21 Fri A. The opportunity is there. And all you have to do is go for it! B. Being a teacher, you have to communicate information from the teacher (who is the source) to the student. So learning about speech communication and how that process is done is going to better equip the teacher. C. I'm not an activist but I do believe in feminism and I believe in the movement. I think it's wonderful that people like Christine Craft can enforce discriminatory laws. D. Talent and good looks and intellect -- to make a good Miss America. An extra sparkle, an extra charisma to make a good Miss America. (choppy quotation due to audio) E. Last year, a door was open to me. I had the privilege of performing throughout the United States and The Far East. Tonight, a new door has opened. Through this scholarship program, I will be able to complete my Master's degree in Music and continue my career as an entertainer and a composer. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A. Pam Battles, AL83 C. KY83 (NT) -- No name, 19:13:36 04/09/21 Fri Right-o! (NT) -- No name, 19:27:04 04/09/21 Fri B is Crystal Evans Miss Georgia 1981. (NT) -- No name, 20:30:15 04/09/21 Fri C is Miss Kentucky 1983? (NT) -- No name, 20:36:24 04/09/21 Fri Very good! (NT) -- No name, 03:52:03 04/10/21 Sat A=Pam Battles; C=Lynn Thompson; D=Bobbi Eakes (NT) -- No name, 21:35:37 04/09/21 Fri Is E Carolyn Kline, Miss Florida 1978? (NT) -- No name, 23:08:57 04/09/21 Fri Grrrreat job, guys! Nailed those with no problems. (NT) -- No name, 03:53:26 04/10/21 Sat

Subject: Rest in Peace His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:10:32 04/09/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes, RIP (NT) -- No name, 16:28:24 04/09/21 Fri

Subject: MAO is the Biggest Joke
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:23:45 04/08/21 Thu Shantel had an entire extra year to plan something spectacular for the 100th. Instead, she decided to keep the competition in Connecticut, in December, and signed a three year deal to keep it there. In addition, there is no tv deal in place. There literally are no new sponsors. So nothing has changed one bit since December 2019. Nothing. Things are exactly the same. Except for the six lawsuits, of course, and the $1,500 fee that all states have to pay because Shantel is upset that everyone left the organization and started a new one. Thank you Gretchen, Regina, Shantel, and Mallory for destroying Miss America. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And what about the teen competition? She said it would be announced before the Miss competition. -- No name, 17:28:57 04/08/21 Thu I�m sure they are still working out the details since she completely dismantled that too. (NT) -- No name, 17:40:25 04/08/21 Thu I�m sure they are still working out the details since she completely dismantled that too. (NT) -- No name, 17:57:37 04/08/21 Thu If you think it's a joke, why are you spending do much of your precious time on this board? There are still many who want to continue this great tradition. Let us try (NT) -- No name, 17:38:48 04/08/21 Thu There is basically no tradition in the current version of Miss America, everything has turned into a fight, eliminating Swimsuit, eliminating "Miss" in introductions, calling everyone "Candidates" last I heard Candidates campaign for elected offices, there is no campaigning in Miss America. , they are contestants pure and simple, turning the Platform into a FBLA Public Speaking forum, Changing EG into Red Carpet so that everyone care wear what they want, its like the cringe if a gown is onstage is by Sherri Hill, Tech Scholarships to an Online University in SD, No Parade as in the past, No real judges, just Class D people in entertainment that do not fill out a ballot, clueless light and sound people for the finals, Do you want me to go on? (NT) -- No name, 17:45:41 04/08/21 Thu No. No need to go on. You're obviously bitter and angry that your vision of the pageant dared change. I am not super fond of much of the changes recently but still have the scholarship dollars and local and state service opportunities. Make it what you want it to be. (NT) -- No name, 13:22:32 04/09/21 Fri Miss America was stolen from those who loved it the most and it has been turned into a second-class event. We used to love it but now we don�t. Thankfully we all have a place to go now! (NT) -- No name, 18:17:26 04/08/21 Thu It has become a joke because of the 3 Broads that have run it into the ground. As I have said before...MALE leadership is needed and only then will the MAO have a chance to thrive. (NT) -- No name, 19:00:27 04/08/21 Thu No just competent, selfless leadership. Since Sam, to we have had leadership with self-serving agendas. (NT) -- No name, 19:22:27 04/08/21 Thu They need someone with strong leadership skills and nonprofit experience as well as business experience, male or female doesn�t matter as long as all they care about is making this a viable nonprofit/business. Having a board who has skill sets that are useful to the org as well as knowing something about the billion dollar pageant industry wouldn�t hurt either. (NT) -- No name, 13:33:39 04/09/21 Fri This!!! (NT) -- No name, 13:49:46 04/09/21 Fri I wasn't a fan of Sam Haskell, but I also roll my eyes at all those people who lambasted MAO for having a history of male leadership and proclaiming we needed a former Miss America to be in charge. Well, you got what you asked for and how did that work? It doesn't matter to me what race, gender, religion or orientation may fall under. I just want the best LEADER, who understands both non-profits and volunteer-based organizations, without using the organization to further their personal agendas. Let's just start with that, if it's not too late. But I suspect MAO is unsavable at this point. (NT) -- No name, 14:18:27 04/09/21 Fri Don't forget- the MAO eliminated the $1,000 state Academic & Comm Service scholarships too. A huge scholarship loss by MAO. (NT) -- $102,000 in scholarships around the country that won't be given., 13:05:15 04/09/21 Fri The only thing that continues to stick in my mind is what Gretchen said when she was interviewed by that Good Morning America reporter after being named chairman of the board, "Amy, I have sooo many great ideas for this organization." To this day, I'm still trying to figure out what they were. (NT) -- No name, 16:21:56 04/09/21 Fri Couldn't agree more!! She is absolutley WORSE than Regina. (NT) -- No name, 16:24:38 04/09/21 Fri

Subject:
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:34:38 04/07/21 Wed Congratulations to our first Miss Hawaii Teen Volunteer Sophia Stark! Sophia is 16 years old and has already earned 21 college credits while still in high school. She plans on obtaining a bachelor�s degree in Fine Arts in Musical Theatre with aspirations of performing on Broadway. She also plans to open a performing arts school for underprivileged youth. Please welcome Sophia into the Miss Hawaii Volunteer ohana. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sophia was Miss Hawaii's Outstanding Teen, 2018. Congratulations Sophia!! (NT) -- No name, 18:49:30 04/08/21 Thu Love seeing the pic of a titleholder wearing a mask (NT) -- No name, 21:59:52 04/08/21 Thu (NT) -- 2 more with masks, 22:05:50 04/08/21 Thu Same here! And CT Teen's outfit is so adorable! (NT) -- No name, 14:55:46 04/09/21 Fri Even with the mask on, Jillian Duffy looks stunning in black. (NT) -- No name, 15:14:46 04/09/21 Fri

Subject: Pageant Reflections
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:06:50 04/08/21 Thu I check in here about once a month to see what is happening in the world of pageants: 1. Regarding MAO, I am thankful I got the gum off the bottom of my shoe when I did. I saw the writing on the wall when Sam was terminated and the God Squad moved in. I am told I was the first state BOD member to resign. Good riddance. 2. I was approached about Volunteer and declined. Thank God. My major in college was not theater, so I don�t deal well with drama. 3. Miss USA / Universe: They lost their way in the 2000�s, but seem to be getting back on track. I can�t tell you who the current winner is, as I have not watched since Tara Conner was used as a publicity stunt, but I may watch this year. Miss World: I lament not getting involved when I had the chance. Miss Grand international: contestants seem a bit artificial, but man, did I enjoy seeing a good old beauty pageant, even if on Facebook. Probably my favorite event of the past few years. They say once pageants are in your blood, they are always in your blood. They lie. Put your checkbook away and get out into the world. From experience, life is short. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Everyone who has seen the Miss Grand International Pageant 2020 just loved it so much. I enjoyed it very much. It was so over the top, opening dance number, loud introductions, crazy swimsuit moves, world peace speeches, daring gowns, dramatic ending, and all so much fun! I think pageant fans around the World have wanted to see an international live stage pageant over this past long year and Miss Grand gave us a fun, old style beauty pageant. Can't wait for the next one this winter. (NT) -- No name, 20:58:49 04/08/21 Thu I love this post and summed up everything I am feeling. (NT) -- No name, 21:06:58 04/08/21 Thu Volunteer is not causing any drama. MAO may be trying to cause drama about Volunteer. Glad I didn't get involved in World. I enjoyed Grand International, too. (NT) -- No name, 21:25:47 04/08/21 Thu I concur, what drama is in MVA? (NT) -- No name, 22:59:12 04/08/21 Thu What do you mean about regretting not getting involved with Miss World? If you are in the US, isn't the only way to do that is to buy a state franchise for the Miss World USA system? I was contacted by them but declined. For one reason, I thought the franchise fee was too high, secondly, that system has changed hands so much and seems so unstable. (NT) -- No name, 23:06:18 04/08/21 Thu I had a good opportunity but declined because of the risk involved. (NT) -- No name, 14:05:26 04/09/21 Fri I did not say they were causing the drama, but drama is there and I am too old to put up with it, regardless of the source. (NT) -- No name, 11:05:13 04/09/21 Fri

Subject: Miss America to Be Crowned in Live Event After Virtual Year
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:20:05 04/09/21 Fri https://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/miss-america-to-be-crowned-in-live-event-after-virtual-year/2989345/?fbclid=IwAR0HApLQvgIb2aeIhfYSeGNssFueXF4B1ZR_Ox_O254YbbV0wd-H6b19b3c [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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"The organizers had to postpone the planned 2020 broadcast and competitions until 2021 and extend the reign of the current Miss America, Camille Schrier, for a second year. This year's event and broadcast are planned for December, with specific dates yet to be announced." (NT) -- No name, 01:22:44 04/09/21 Fri "This year's event and broadcast are planned for December, with specific dates yet to be announced." Notice it also didn't specify where the pageant will be 'broadcast'-- ABC?, The Learning Channel?, FBLive?? (NT) -- No name, 12:54:37 04/09/21 Fri Didn't the original winner crowned on stage get to keep the title? (NT) -- No name, 13:27:11 04/09/21 Fri

Subject: I was just looking at the 2004 Miss Florida pageant. I was kind of shocked how they introduced Ms. Dunlap as being in the audience, but did not have her onstage. They did have time enough to feature Ms. Pender extensively, but am I incorrect in wondering why a state that had the reigning Miss America would have handled things that way?
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If it wasn't a paid Miss America appearance, maybe she could not officially be on stage. Dunno how that worked back then but possible.... (NT) -- No name, 13:19:03 04/07/21 Wed I thought the same thing. Why wasn't a huge deal made over Erika...even if they had to pay her? I thought it was very odd (NT) -- No name, 14:38:01 04/07/21 Wed There is a story there, If you are interested you should talk with any Board Members under Mary to explain (NT) -- No name, 14:45:59 04/07/21 Wed the week of Miss America, I asked one of my friends on the FL Board how their contestant was this year. The answer I got was that she was difficult to work with, miss appearances and after Miss America they may take her title away. Then after Saturday night, they no longer had to worry about it because she was Miss America. Dunlap did not have a great relationship with her State Board. And much like when Gretchen Carlson won, her state Board was happy they no longer had to deal with her. (NT) -- No name, 17:58:29 04/07/21 Wed I haven't seen this pageant, but was Pender recovered enough from her accident? I thought that happened right after she took over for Dunlap and she was out of commission for a couple of years. (NT) -- No name, 23:31:14 04/07/21 Wed The "rumor" from back in the day was the Director of the Miss Florida Pageant (Mary Sullivan) "wanted" Shauna Pender; and was not "happy" when Ericka was crowned. Also the "rumor" was that Mary did nothing for Ericka to prepare her for Atlantic City. And the final "rumor" was there was no love loss between the two of them, so it is not surprising that Ericka was not an invited guest. (NT) -- No Name..., 20:13:57 04/08/21 Thu I remember reading this on the board even before that Erika went to Miss America. From what I understand, she did not have a great rep with the FL org. It seems that she jumped ship a couple of years before on an open local when she found out that there was going to be stiff competition. It was said that she did this on the afternoon of the pageant and it put them in a bind as it caused them to drop below the minimum number of contestants required. I think it was Miss Plant City. Anyway, I heard her prep was mostly handled by a couple of professional drag queens. Obviously, they did something right, as she was quite beautiful in that yellow dress. (NT) -- No name, 20:44:50 04/08/21 Thu

Subject: Good Things about MAO
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:43:24 03/30/21 Tue For those who are still a part of the current Miss America Organization, I am curious what you see as the good things that are currently happening. Does Shantel do a good job of keeping you all updated on information? Are the state EDs excited about the upcoming competition? Is there a plan for the 100th that people are getting behind? I know it�s easy to criticize, but I also want to give MAO one more chance if those closest to the action now think that things are headed in the right direction. Thoughts? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm an LD and frankly, I'm tired. I thought a year off would rejuvenate me but I have 0 idea what this program means anymore. The rules change monthly. The expectations are ridiculous. My state board wants me to schedule my 2021-2022 competition but no venues are booking this far in advance because of Covid. It's hard to want to be involved. On a positive note ----- um ---- I used the word "competition" instead of "pageant" just now. ;) (NT) -- No name, 18:39:02 03/30/21 Tue Agreed. The "year off" that I thought would re-invigorate me has really just left me more disappointed. In my mind, I was hoping that this 100th year would be full of festivities, MA appearances, and things to hype the nostalgia of a program so many of us (volunteers, directors, candidates/contestants) have worked with and loved for so many years. For quite a while, I have realized -- to the general public -- that Miss America is "just another event".......and these days I feel like Miss America is "just another event" even to the Miss America Board. Sad. (NT) -- No name, 20:40:47 03/30/21 Tue Sam would have made the 100th magical. (NT) -- No name, 21:40:00 03/30/21 Tue That is absolutely true. (NT) -- No name, 21:54:36 03/30/21 Tue Oh Please! I am not a supporter of Miss America 2.0 or the current board, but reminiscing about Sam is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. If Sam had done his job and was a good leader, we never would have had the coo that led to 2.0. I don't like MAO's direction now, but I also do not wish Sam and his blacklist culture back at MAO. (NT) -- No name, 22:22:07 03/30/21 Tue I want Sam back. (NT) -- No name, 23:09:58 03/30/21 Tue You must not have been on his enemies list - which he gave to the staff and told them not to interact with them. Most of the "enemies" becuause of gossip he heard. (NT) -- No name, 23:33:55 03/30/21 Tue I wish Voy had a "like" button. Your comment is spot on! (NT) -- No name, 00:49:06 03/31/21 Wed Typical gossipy queen is what he was and got busted out for it. Overall he would have been better and the MAO would be better off. It should be a lesson for him to think before you speak. (NT) -- No name, 08:19:38 03/31/21 Wed Sam absolutely would have made the 100th MAGICAL and criss-crossed the country 1st class & 5 star on the girls' backs to talk up the events to anyone who would listen. He was a very vocal, coin driven champion for the MAO. (NT) -- & also highly personally dysfunctional/ toxic, 10:45:03 03/31/21 Wed Instead, we got creepy ole Mallory, Gretchen, Regina, Shantel. IMO, neither one contributed one positive thing for MAO, for the contestants, or for the fans. (NT) -- No name, 11:16:40 03/31/21 Wed That knife certainly cut two ways. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:42 03/31/21 Wed Exactly. Sam was a huge champion for MA as long as he was the center of attention, could tap a First Class expense account and extract $400k+ per year in production fees. The cost was to the program, the girls, and the org , which were just a means to an end for him. (NT) -- funny how the MAO attracts toxic leadership, 13:25:26 03/31/21 Wed Good points! I think MAO attracts "toxic" leaders becuase they want to be Miss America insteading of running Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:47 03/31/21 Wed Sam > Mallory -- Goodbye, 01:05:38 04/03/21 Sat Regina and Gretchen are gone too. The people currently running the show are Shantel, Mallory, Brent and Marc. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:51 04/03/21 Sat How?? How??? How??? did we get here!!! (NT) -- No name, 14:12:32 04/03/21 Sat there is nothing good about MAO. the entire board and "leadership" team needs to go. I won't be surprised if the 100th did not happen. Formers aren't even going to be there. as soon as they took away swimsuit and had Gretchen on TV making that big announcement about the new direction it was dead. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:34 03/30/21 Tue We (MAO) seem to shoot ourselves in the foot no matter what we do to try and right the ship. (CLICK IN FOR MORE) -- No name, 11:39:29 03/31/21 Wed This is confusing, and I want to understand your thoughts: Taking any sort of Fitness for the Miss is a negative, using the excuse to try and include everyone is the reason for giving up Swimsuit when you have poll after poll showing to keep swimsuit was a very bad decision. (NT) -- No name, 13:18:26 03/31/21 Wed Eliminating SS hurt the program. There must be some sort of fitness since this mistake. Just because these 30-40 year olds do not feel comfortable in SS anymore, dont use those feelings to make decisions for 20year olds (NT) -- No name, 17:00:19 03/31/21 Wed At the last pageant I judged before the "change", the girl who won swimsuit was a "bigger" girl and she ROCKED that stage. And believe me - there were skinny girls competing. Bring fitness back! (NT) -- No name, 15:28:32 04/01/21 Thu What do I like? The women who compete. I have a younger daughter and without fail every title holder has been kind and warm towards her. There are also some pretty nice volunteers and directors. (NT) -- No name, 13:45:06 03/31/21 Wed I am a LD. I am disappointed at the lack of communication from our State and MAO. (NT) -- No name, 07:14:31 04/01/21 Thu I agree. (NT) -- No name, 08:04:40 04/01/21 Thu Being completely honest, I have worked in pageantry for thirty years. When leadership changed, I walked away as a member of my state board. Best decision I have made regarding pageants. I could see the writing on the wall and I was right. From a distance, I see things more clearly. IAfter thirty years, I no longer support pageants at all, but I come here occasionally to see if I get the itch to participate again. I don�t. (NT) -- No name, 00:20:53 04/05/21 Mon I applaud your decision. They used to say that pageants were something that you got in your blood, well now, MAO is kind of like blood poisoning. I also used to be very heavily involved because they used to be interesting, glamorous, fun, etc. I personally do not see how in this current incarnation they can recruit new volunteers, because they are about as exciting as day old oatmeal. I only come to this board to see discussions regarding the glory days of Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 00:48:17 04/05/21 Mon I'm similar. After 25 years, I stepped away when Haskell allowed our State ED to promote his blacklist culture, and I saw through the farce of Josh Randle as the MAO President. When Haskell left I held out hope that new leadership would put the program back on track, but saw that fall apart quickly and then totally lost interest. Now that all of the glamour has been removed and the contestants are just a bunch of social justice warriors giving TED talks, I have no desire to even attend a local or state pageant. Never thought I'd see that day. (NT) -- No name, 02:03:30 04/05/21 Mon I couldn't agree more (NT) -- No name, 13:58:57 04/06/21 Tue I'm the same as you. (NT) -- No name, 17:45:45 04/07/21 Wed Very well said!!! -- No name, 09:17:34 04/08/21 Thu None (NT) -- No name, 09:43:27 04/08/21 Thu

Subject: State Hoppers
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:15:42 03/16/21 Tue Wondering what everyone else thinks about state hoppers. Never understood why someone from another state would want to represent a state they hardly know. Always seems pretty obvious to me when their goal is just Miss America [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Goal--Miss America = scholarship $$$$...same with being any Miss State...plus doors opening, an amazing experience, bragging rights...why would woman compete in locals and represent a town they're not from? Same reason (NT) -- No name, 12:36:06 03/16/21 Tue I don't have a problem with it. There is no rule that says they can't. (NT) -- No name, 12:40:25 03/16/21 Tue some move for various reasons. School and whatever. Some are desperate to win so they will hop, some states are political or not run well and they would not crown someone. I do not think Ca would ever crown Kira ( a fav of mine (NT) -- l, 12:56:26 03/16/21 Tue The last couple of Miss Americas haven't been from their home states(Camille-Pennsylvania, Nia-NY). -- No name, 15:25:33 03/16/21 Tue These are NOT state hoppers. State hopper is a term referring to a girl who moves/transfers schools just to compete (NT) -- No name, 20:06:01 03/16/21 Tue LA 2017 gave up her spot at TCU in order to attend a LA school and compete in LA. (NT) -- Spent much of her reigm in TX, 23:01:57 03/20/21 Sat If somebody wants to go to the trouble of moving to compete, who are we to judge? I am curious who were state hoppers? I think French competed in Ohio, as did Rafko. Johnson and Terrible Dawn went to VA and KS respectively. Mallory and Kira and Nia (and I think Nina) moved into NY from other places. One would wonder why they did not win back home. and lest we forget there was Debra Maffett. (NT) -- No name, 14:47:08 03/16/21 Tue I don't have a problem with people who legit move to a state for school or work. I don't even have a problem with girls who move to compete AS LONG AS they finish their year in the state they hopped to and not just use it as a ticket to Miss America. Many state hoppers move, win, and immediately move back to their home state (NT) -- No name, 20:04:17 03/16/21 Tue Heather French was attending the University of Cincinnati at the time. Kay Lani Rae Rafko was a nursing student at Lourdes University in suburban Toledo when she competed in Ohio. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:27 03/18/21 Thu Heather French went to University of Cincinnati her entire college career but chose to compete in Ohio her first year (NT) -- No name, 22:34:43 03/20/21 Sat Huh? (NT) -- No name, 22:16:43 03/21/21 Sun Heather is from Kentucky but she always went to school in Cincinnati and competed in Ohio her first year and Kentucky the other 4 (NT) -- No name, 08:01:55 03/22/21 Mon Debra Maffett made three attempts in TX then in her last year went to CA and we know the rest. It's not as though CA was any easier to win than TX. (NT) -- No name, 02:28:24 03/19/21 Fri According to this article Debbie Maffett was 2nd RU @ TX USA in August 1980. Could the article writer have made a mistake. (NT) -- https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11672373/the-paris-news/, 17:32:50 03/21/21 Sun This article has Debbie Maffett as 3rd RU @ TX USA in August 1981. Was she competing at both Miss TX and Miss TX USA at the same time? (NT) -- https://newspaperarchive.com/brownsville-herald-aug-11-1981-p-3/, 17:50:30 03/21/21 Sun Debbie's last TX-MAO pageant was in June or early July 1980 (Treri Oeff won). She competed at TX-USA in August 1980, then again in 1981. Moved to CA and competed the next year (1982). If I have my dates right. (NT) -- No name, 23:50:44 03/21/21 Sun From PageantsHayDay's videos and newspaper articles, Debbie Maffett's pageant history is Top 10 @ TX 1978, 3rd RU @ TX 1979, 4th RU @ TX 1980, 2nd RU @ TX USA 1981, 3rd RU @ TX USA 1982, wins CA 1982, wins Miss America 1983. (NT) -- So 3 attempts @ TX, 2 attempts @ TX USA, relocates to CA, wins CA, wins Miss America., 12:36:37 03/22/21 Mon Wow I did not know that about Debbie competing at TX USA. So she is one those few women in the small,elite group of women who have placed top five at both TX MAO and TX USA. Kudos to her! (NT) -- No name, 06:00:41 04/02/21 Fri When did Debbie get all the plastic surgery? Must have been before she competed TxUSA because she was not a USA type until after all that work. (NT) -- No name, 15:39:33 04/03/21 Sat The nose job was sometime in 1980 according to this article (NT) -- https://upi.com/4968698, 19:09:50 04/03/21 Sat The deviated septum excuse was used for the nose job (NT) -- https://www.newspapers.com/clip/28186282/dayton-daily-news/, 19:11:59 04/03/21 Sat best thing she ever did, she was gorgeous when she competed in CA and Miss A (NT) -- No name, 21:56:04 04/06/21 Tue She also had her jaw pushed back, it�s called a genioplasty. I can upload her senior photo and you would be blown away. Whoever guy/rex got to do her procedures did an incredible job. (NT) -- No name, 00:24:33 04/08/21 Thu It's okay with me, people attend school in different states. What is fun is to see what state they were born in. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:24 03/16/21 Tue I don't think attending school outside your home state constitutes state hopping. I call it taking advantage of opportunities that may not be available in your own backyard. (NT) -- No name, 19:46:12 03/16/21 Tue State hopping is when delegates from competitive places like CA, TX, the South set up paper trails in less competitive places like the Northwest, less populated Southwest states, less populated Northeast states for the sole purpose of reaching the national stage. (NT) -- Common state hops are CA to NV and TX to NM., 21:34:08 03/16/21 Tue The ultimate in state hopper were Katy Johnson and Megan Yardley, hopping to Vermont. They were awful!!!! (NT) -- No name, 20:36:31 03/18/21 Thu In recent years I'd say the ultimate state hopper was Candice Bennatt. Three attempts in TX, then "relocates" to NM in her last year and wins. Candice was a student @ Loyola University New Orleans College of Law when she won LA USA so that move was at least legitimate. (NT) -- No name, 10:56:38 03/19/21 Fri You forgot Chelsea Ingram (NT) -- No name, 19:22:25 03/21/21 Sun And Drell Hunter (NT) -- No name, 19:28:04 03/21/21 Sun Felt so sorry for Chelsea. IIRC, Her grandfather passed while she was at Miss Americaa. (NT) -- No name, 04:20:59 03/22/21 Mon There used to be a unique pageant Miss Texarkana. I'm not sure it exists now. (NT) -- No name, 20:52:44 03/18/21 Thu Not sure either, but the winner went to Texas after winning her local title, and then competed in Arkansas the year she gave up her title, since the town of Texarkana sits half in Texas and half in Arkansas. Jesse Ward went to Texas as Miss Texarkana and was a non-finalist award winner and then went to Arkansas the next year and won as Miss Texarkana. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:24 03/20/21 Sat Miss Texarkana still exists. I believe now they have to crown girls who live in TX and in AR, too represent Texarkana at each state pageant. (NT) -- KGS, 07:05:24 04/07/21 Wed DE used to get a lot of state hoppers from PA and NJ; DC gets a lot of state hoppers, as does VT. MA gets a lot of contestants who attend college there, but they are legit students and not "state hoppers". (NT) -- No name, 23:03:03 03/18/21 Thu There were a couple of NC statehoppers who ended up as Miss VT. (NT) -- No name, 17:13:57 03/20/21 Sat Just one in the last 15 years. Chelsea in 2012. (NT) -- No name, 19:50:42 03/20/21 Sat VT. not the only state that NC contestants hop to. They have so many hoppers they should install a trampoline on their stage. (NT) -- No name, 22:40:22 03/20/21 Sat But wasn't Chelsea in meteorology school in Vermont at the time? I believe she also stayed there for a while working for a tv station. (NT) -- No name, 10:16:01 03/22/21 Mon Chelsea took a class at a school in VT, but she dropped out after Miss America and moved to Baltimore for a job (NT) -- No name, 15:59:36 03/22/21 Mon The beautiful Chelsea is still a meteorologist in Baltimore. (NT) -- No name, 15:52:37 04/01/21 Thu Does anyone remember how many times Chelsea tried NC? Also, what were her placements and local titles. I remember her being a very polarizing contestant. (NT) -- No name, 20:29:26 04/01/21 Thu She was a finalist in 2010 (Adrienne Core's year). (NT) -- No name, 10:03:20 04/02/21 Fri She wanted to study with Jim Cantore and did. Very wise decision on her part. (NT) -- No name, 15:55:03 04/01/21 Thu For 6 months (NT) -- No name, 18:44:21 04/01/21 Thu She completed what she needed. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:50 04/02/21 Fri Yes, meeting the eligibility requirements for the state title (NT) -- No name, 18:54:42 04/02/21 Fri Yes, she was a meteorologist in Burlington, VT, when she was crowned Miss VT. (NT) -- No name, 10:09:25 04/02/21 Fri I'm pretty sure she was never a meterologist in Burlington (NT) -- No name, 18:59:54 04/02/21 Fri Yes she was. (NT) -- No name, 23:49:36 04/02/21 Fri Which station? (NT) -- No name, 00:06:29 04/04/21 Sun WFFF/WVNY, a Fox/ABC media duopoly in Burlington, Vermont. (NT) -- No name, 05:41:17 04/08/21 Thu Vermont has the worst state hoppers, then they see what state they are representing and don't fit in at all. They are all from "Burlington" (NT) -- No name, 23:21:41 03/20/21 Sat Love state hoppers. Gives us something else to discuss and brings them a lot of attention. (NT) -- No name, 20:17:19 03/20/21 Sat I wouldnt say great attention tho (NT) -- No name, 23:12:16 03/20/21 Sat Let me say if a girl moves to another state to win a title, she is not in it for the scholarship. I am sure Miss VT Org doesn't award enough scholarship to cover what is spent out. Those hopper girls wants one thing: A Ticket to Miss America. And yeah, while most were pretty awful, the Vermont girls could have picked up a few pageant tricks from them to improve their game. And yes, you are right, those state hoppers that won the title, didn't fit in because in part, no one wanted them to. So most of them left, and usually after Miss America and before their year was up to pursue careers elsewhere. (NT) -- They got what they wanted, they didn't feel welcomed and left., 21:51:55 03/21/21 Sun Meh, that's not entirely true. First, some left before Miss America, and never came back. Second, maybe they didn't feel welcomed because they rude AF. I can't be the only one here old enough to remember what Katy J did? I didn't even know who this girl was. I read on here she was moving to VT. And then within a few months, she'd written an article about how she moved to VT to show VT girls how to be pretty. Like WTAF? I don't know, but if she'd come to my state with that snooty attitude, you better believe she wouldn't feel welcomed. We'd show her the door pronto. The thing is, the girls in VT like being themselves, not fake, "I want world peace" crown chasers like Johnson and Ingram. I'd also add you want the VT girls to learn from them, but seriously, some of the worst girls statehop to VT. They can't win in their own state so they want the easy win. It isn't like VT is getting quality state hoppers (NT) -- No name, 23:14:05 03/21/21 Sun Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Katy enrolled at the University of Vermont. She lived in Florida at the time and flew to Vermont to compete for the state title. In the week after she won it, she flew back to Florida and spent the majority of her year there. They rarely saw her in Vermont. She withdrew from the University after her year as Miss Vermont was over. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:45 03/22/21 Mon I don't know what's true and not about Katy since I'm not from VT, but that was what everyone was told. She won and left to work with her coaches in FL to prepare for Miss A. In fairness, Miss VT is generally at the end of spring, around when colleges administer finals and go into summer so it could be that she was living in a dorm and left because the dorms closed. But the rumor was she only came back to crown her successor and then came back a few months later to win Miss VT USA. I'm pretty sure she didn't go to Univ of Vermont. She went to one of the small liberal arts colleges (NT) -- No name, 00:46:13 03/23/21 Tue I have news for you...today the scholarships MAO offers are not why ladies compete, it�s a nice bonus at the state and local level. It�s the ticket to Miss America is why ladies compete. Period! (NT) -- No name, 17:39:07 03/22/21 Mon Exactly (NT) -- No name, 15:56:52 04/01/21 Thu Have any other State Hopper stories go as big in the media as the girl in Oregon did a few years ago? It made national news for a few days. (NT) -- No name, 00:47:58 03/22/21 Mon Oregon had two, both very obvious. Miss Oregon/America resigned within a few weeks; Miss Oregon/USA did not (NT) -- No name, 09:39:48 03/22/21 Mon What girl in Oregon? I don't recall that. (NT) -- No name, 09:49:46 03/22/21 Mon Rachel Berry (America) - Toneata Morgan (USA) (NT) -- No name, 09:59:19 03/22/21 Mon Toneata Morgan didn't even hide her state hopping. She posted a photo on IG of her flying to OR a few days before OR USA took place. (NT) -- She said she lived in a small town on the OR coast for a year but her IG was all Los Angeles based., 12:39:36 03/22/21 Mon I don't recall any others making national news, but they did stir up quite the controversy, especially Johnson in VT (NT) -- No name, 15:58:31 03/22/21 Mon Ok, definitely not a popular opinion BUT I thought Johnson did a good job in Atlantic City (NT) -- No name, 22:10:49 03/22/21 Mon She didn't make top 10 and I wasn't there that year for prelims due to the hurricane so I don't know how she did (NT) -- No name, 00:43:17 03/23/21 Tue K Johnson was overly tanned imo, however SS was very solid as was gown. For talent she sang a song about marriage in a mock sort of wedding gown. I liked it. She has a nice voice. (NT) -- No name, 01:09:35 03/23/21 Tue She sang "Two Little Words" from Steel Pier, a very timely selection. (NT) -- No name, 05:20:56 03/23/21 Tue Also Nia Sanchez after her Miss USA win. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/miss-usa-no-truth-to-allegations-she-switched-states-to-win-miss-nevada (NT) -- No name, 12:12:16 04/02/21 Fri How about Jessica Wheeler from Alabama - then competed in TN, and then in Arkansas. She was a true crown chaser. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:11 04/01/21 Thu Lol didn't she pack up and leave Arkansas on final night when she didn't make the cut? (NT) -- That's a good story, 13:01:24 04/01/21 Thu No, she made top ten in Arkansas. She returned to Alabama the next year when she didn't make the cut. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:55 04/01/21 Thu I remember when that happened, but could not remember her name. (NT) -- No name, 14:27:16 04/01/21 Thu

Subject: Donna Davis Parsons Obituary

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Date Posted: 02:43:21 04/08/21 Thu

June 28, 1949 - March 29, 2021

It is with great sadness that we mark the passing of Donna Davis Parsons, formerly Donna Kaye Byrd of Elkin. Daughter of the Reverend Von Byrd and Hazel Byrd (Cox), Donna graduated from Elkin High School in 1967, was crowned Miss Elkin Valley �67-�68 and competed in the 1968 Miss North Carolina pageant. She went on to receive her MFA in acting from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and subsequently moved to New York City to pursue her dream. Her career spanned some 40 years in the theatre, on television and in films, including leading roles in classical and contemporary plays, on and off Broadway, in regional theaters around the country and in Europe. She was a loving wife to William Parsons and mother of two daughters: Deni O�Toole Sheehan of Elkin and Caroline Juliano presently of London, England. She is survived by them and her brother, Judge David Byrd of North Wilkesboro. When not on stage, Donna managed renovation of her Brooklyn brownstone, created an incredible garden, and threw fabulous parties. In 2020 she returned home to Elkin, living out her final year in the beautiful foothills her ancestors settled as pioneers. In lieu of flowers, donations may be sent to www.Alz.org to help fight this terrible disease.
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Subject: Final Guesses Miss CT
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:18:30 04/01/21 Thu One week out, any guesses? After reviewing headshots, I think: 1. New Haven County 2. Milford 3. West Haven 4. East Haven 5. Hartford [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think New Haven, West Haven, Milford, Bristol, and either Hartford or New Britain (NT) -- No name, 19:33:35 04/01/21 Thu Where are these headshots? (NT) -- No name, 22:16:18 04/01/21 Thu On Instagram and Facebook. I can�t pick based on �looks� though, especially not knowing anything about the contestants. Some of the headshots look amateurish, so it is hard to tell from that (NT) -- No name, 23:00:30 04/01/21 Thu On FB where? I went to the CT Facebook page-couldn not find them. (NT) -- No name, 23:05:31 04/01/21 Thu This is what is frustrating me. Why are people still making predictions for MAO state pageants based on headshots. That is so pre-2019. As you know, Miss America no longer judges on looks in any way. Therefore, headshots mean absolutely nothing because being beautiful means absolutely nothing to the competition. (NT) -- No name, 14:28:57 04/03/21 Sat I agree! You really can�t pick based on a picture. Especially without knowing what the candidates are like in interview, talent, etc. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:03 04/03/21 Sat Some of them are so heavily photoshopped you don't recognize the girl when you see her in person. (NT) -- No name, 18:46:58 04/06/21 Tue I am thinking it�s Anderson this year. A lot of hype about Rockville but have not seen much here about her. Maybe she�s falling off the radar. (NT) -- No name, 14:25:09 04/03/21 Sat Decent candidate but I�m not so sure. I think there are several others who are in the forefront as well. I hope they don�t choose solely based on number of years competing. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:18 04/03/21 Sat Anderson is very pretty and a good tapper, but I have heard her interview is only average. I don't think Leah is going to win with a monologue. I could be wrong but I think in this age of "diversity" and "inclusiveness" the panel may want to make history by going with a truly plus sized winner (Christie). Plus her talent is off the charts. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:47 04/03/21 Sat I wouldn�t mind seeing Laura win. She seems like a very nice person as well. I know her talent is good but I�m not sure how she does in the other phases of competition. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:30 04/03/21 Sat There�s a couple other candidates I�m thinking could sneak up and take it who seem to be very well rounded (NT) -- No name, 15:02:13 04/03/21 Sat Rockville is doing a monologue ? She is a great vocalist - why did she change ? With the social impact pitch that is practically a monologue does not seem smart. (NT) -- No name, 16:03:29 04/03/21 Sat Feeling East Haven. New to CT, but had some success in CA as a teen plus she goes to Yale. Not sure about her talent, but she's on my radar. (NT) -- No name, 20:06:24 04/03/21 Sat Seems rather young and having a Miss title holder who lives in CA might be difficult. Haven�t really heard much buzz about this candidate. (NT) -- No name, 20:48:47 04/03/21 Sat CT wants someone who will perform at Miss A, especially after such success in past two years. Anderson is not that person, but maybe Rockville, Milford, or someone else. My issues with Alyssa are that she changed her SII this yr after a decade of competing...Rockville also lost some edge with there being another nonbinary candidate...I like Milford. Good talent and relevant SII. -- No name, 21:56:16 04/03/21 Sat Milford or someone else, for sure (NT) -- No name, 22:40:34 04/03/21 Sat Just because she would make a splash and sings beautifully doesn't mean she has a magnetic personality/Miss CT persona... -- No name, 00:04:19 04/05/21 Mon Making a splash AND singing beautifully is not too bad. (NT) -- No name, 08:48:30 04/05/21 Mon I agree 100%. I think you have to look at the overall picture. Yes, talent plays into it. But I like to see who would be best suited to take on the job (personality, accomplishments, speaking ability, etc.) (NT) -- No name, 08:59:41 04/05/21 Mon They all have accomplishments. If talent is 50 percent of your Miss America score, then in my opinion Laura C is the only one one who can score highly at nationals if not outright win prelim Talent. "Personality" is important but a nebulous concept. Plus one can fake personality. You can't a fake a great singing voice. (NT) -- No name, 09:54:07 04/05/21 Mon They all have accomplishments but some way more than others. If your goal is to just choose based on talent alone, then sure, pick the best singer. But as we�ve seen at the state level and even the national level, the one chosen does not always have the best talent. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:49 04/05/21 Mon No, but it can get you very far. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:44 04/05/21 Mon Relevant SSI? Why do you say that? (NT) -- No name, 22:51:43 04/07/21 Wed See Connecticut going radical this year. Wolcott (has anybody in the country beat on paper) or Milford. Not sure the country is ready for either one of these being Miss America, but both would make the Top 5 and get national attention - probably 4th runner up. (NT) -- Sonia, 10:05:52 04/04/21 Sun Do you mean Rockville? -- No name, 10:52:36 04/04/21 Sun On paper is one thing. Reality is another. (NT) -- No name, 11:00:02 04/04/21 Sun Besides Rockville who is the other non binary contestant? (NT) -- No name, 11:11:08 04/04/21 Sun There�s several other accomplished girls with impressive resumes competing at Miss CT this year (NT) -- No name, 13:01:04 04/04/21 Sun Who is Wolcott?? (NT) -- No name, 16:10:28 04/04/21 Sun Who is Miss Wolcott? (NT) -- No name, 20:59:54 04/04/21 Sun There is no Miss Wolcott this year--probably the first time that's happened since the late 60s. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:29 04/04/21 Sun Not sure what the above poster meant when they referenced Wolcott - they must have the person confused with a different title (NT) -- No name, 22:51:20 04/04/21 Sun Newbies are at such a disadvantaged with at-large/appointed titled -- No name, 16:08:46 04/04/21 Sun Is Milford is the only one with talent? Are any other former/new candidates talented? If she's a 10, is there maybe an 8 who everyone just loves? Genuinely asking, don't know any of the talents. -- No name, 11:54:19 04/05/21 Mon I've seen Gonzalez' talent before she's very average, Sapna R does the Bollywood dance she was about a four or five previously--Alyssa Anderson (tapper) is pretty good she's at least a seven. Jaymie Bianca the twirler is maybe a three or four. L Christie was definitely a 10 two years ago.. That's all I can recall or know about. (NT) -- No name, 12:04:35 04/05/21 Mon I find some of the talents boring (sorry). I saw Jaymie Bianca�s twirling last year (with the addition of the flags) and thought she was well above a 3 or 4. (NT) -- No name, 12:37:54 04/05/21 Mon She is very well liked too. So is Gonzalez. (NT) -- No name, 13:24:46 04/05/21 Mon Not to mention, twirling is a difficult talent. Much more so than many other talents out there. (NT) -- No name, 21:07:16 04/05/21 Mon Is this Miss Connecticut or America's Got Talent? How important do you think talent is compared to other accomplishments? It seems like other factors are being completely overlooked. (NT) -- No name, 12:41:39 04/05/21 Mon Being "well liked" is nice but I don't see the relevancy of it. Let's look at this logically. If there are no SS and gown competitions at Miss America and physical appearance doesn't count, it seems to me that it has devolved into a talent plus "speaking ability/semi sob story" (you can call it "personal journey") competition. I think that favors people like Rockville and Milford-personal opinion of course. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:15 04/05/21 Mon Yes, if you don�t have a �story�, it doesn�t seem like you can be in the running (NT) -- No name, 14:25:49 04/05/21 Mon Miss East Haven has a very good talent performance. (NT) -- No name, 23:40:47 04/06/21 Tue Haven�t heard anything about her at all to be honest (NT) -- No name, 00:30:35 04/07/21 Wed And seems to be on here quite a bit ;) (NT) -- No name, 00:37:05 04/07/21 Wed Have you seen her peformance before? Is there a video? (NT) -- No name, 00:48:28 04/07/21 Wed No chance against Milford -- No name, 06:05:43 04/07/21 Wed Is Miss Elm City, Amani Jaramiga, still competing? I don�t see her headshot/info on Facebook or Instagram like the other 17 candidates have. (NT) -- No name, 18:15:32 04/05/21 Mon She withdrew. -- No name, 20:33:59 04/05/21 Mon Any idea as to how much scholarship there is? -- No name, 20:49:00 04/05/21 Mon I finally got around to checking that IG post re Laura Christie. I have to tell you that IMO the "hype" around her is totally justified. My goodness what a voice. Perfect pitch, expression, clarity. I was completely blown away. (NT) -- No name, 13:02:31 04/06/21 Tue Where can I find a list of contestants and their talent selections? (NT) -- No name, 17:31:06 04/06/21 Tue I don't think there is one. (NT) -- No name, 17:40:35 04/06/21 Tue https://missct.org/meet-the-candidates/ -- No name, 19:55:35 04/06/21 Tue Oddly enough, I believe someone else won overall talent in 2019 (NT) -- No name, 17:57:01 04/06/21 Tue Somebody is doing a CPR demonstration? (NT) -- No name, 21:34:18 04/06/21 Tue (also) I have my eye out for this Emma Rook, Ivy League school, interns for a congressman. How is her talent? (NT) -- No name, 21:46:26 04/06/21 Tue Haven�t really heard much buzz about this candidate at all. I don�t think it matters if a girl attends an Ivy school or not to be honest. Several of the girls have impressive resumes too. (NT) -- No name, 22:01:36 04/06/21 Tue I think it certainly helped Cara Mund and Erika Harold. (NT) -- No name, 22:14:53 04/06/21 Tue Why would someone want someone from Brown vs. Yale? -- No name, 23:05:57 04/06/21 Tue To do the job of Miss CT, it really doesn�t matter what school you attend. Look up previous Miss Connecticut winners. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:57 04/06/21 Tue Oh yes, I agree. I do not think either will win, but I was curious how girls who study out of state and are from state vs. how girls who study in-state and are out-of-state are seen. -- No name, 23:36:51 04/06/21 Tue Really? Wow... (NT) -- No name, 00:28:24 04/07/21 Wed Cara Mund -- No name, 06:11:40 04/07/21 Wed One out of many. School doesn�t matter. (NT) -- No name, 08:26:16 04/07/21 Wed Why did the poster say "Brown vs. Yale"? Did you mean to say, "Brown or Yale"? (NT) -- No name, 08:31:54 04/07/21 Wed

Subject: Will CT be livestreamed?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:48:54 04/06/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No (NT) -- No name, 20:52:00 04/06/21 Tue Why are states having in person pageants since the virus is still not under control? (NT) -- No name, 06:35:58 04/07/21 Wed Good question. And why is CT so early? Usually their pageant is in the middle of June. (NT) -- No name, 08:12:50 04/07/21 Wed Why is anyone leaving their house? Covid will never go away. When do we start living again? Why are schools allowed to have sports, band concerts and plays? Why are churches allowed to congregate? Where does it end? (NT) -- No name, 12:47:26 04/07/21 Wed Also, have you asked these questions of MUO and all the other systems who keep having in person pageants? (NT) -- No name, 12:57:17 04/07/21 Wed People lost their minds and harassed Camille when they had her private function lol.. guess pageants are ok now (NT) -- No name, 15:35:50 04/07/21 Wed There was no vaccine, restrictions were imposed and numbers were much higher when she had her event. Not even comparable. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:08 04/07/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Connecticut Peoples Choice
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:07:46 04/05/21 Mon https://www.pageantplanet.com/event/miss-connecticut-2021?fbclid=IwAR3wFSyvFqK5refmTOhRq8O6UPxkQDWGuu0a4x37tO-07zbnIOkTYaUbBwk [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sylvana Gonzalez (NT) -- No name, 20:42:44 04/05/21 Mon What is her talent? (NT) -- No name, 02:06:55 04/06/21 Tue Lyrical dance to "Tomorrow" (NT) -- No name, 13:14:47 04/06/21 Tue How do you know? (NT) -- No name, 15:41:47 04/06/21 Tue So the competition begins this Friday & there's still no venue mentioned on their website? (NT) -- Groove, 11:12:51 04/06/21 Tue I am sure its in that convention space they used for Miss A Prelims with the portable stage (NT) -- No name, 11:16:44 04/06/21 Tue https://missct.org/meet-the-candidates/ (NT) -- Venue mentioned at the above link. It was hidden away, 13:12:45 04/06/21 Tue Of course, all it states under "Meet the Candidates" is Mohegan Sun (NT) -- No name, 13:14:04 04/06/21 Tue They are hurting for talent in CT (NT) -- No name, 13:17:18 04/06/21 Tue Says who? (NT) -- No name, 13:27:25 04/06/21 Tue Hardly! There are numerous great talents in Miss and Teen! And with so many new candidates, how can anyone know that? (NT) -- No name, 14:36:26 04/06/21 Tue I know that Miss has one great talent. OT competition has one excellent talent that I know of-Emmerson Forbes (fantastic dancer). (NT) -- No name, 14:39:49 04/06/21 Tue Again, talent isn�t everything. That�s all people seem to focus on. Must be a lot of America�s Got Talents fans out there! (NT) -- No name, 15:14:52 04/06/21 Tue No, it's because Talent is worth 50% of your prelim score. In the 1.0 days it was 35%. That's a big change. (NT) -- No name, 15:22:50 04/06/21 Tue Not at the state level (NT) -- No name, 15:26:31 04/06/21 Tue Was it worth 50% at MA last year? Because not every talent there was amazing. Some were and some weren�t (NT) -- No name, 15:29:06 04/06/21 Tue I believe talent is now 35% for state. So it's true that talent just isn't everything. (NT) -- No name, 15:38:33 04/06/21 Tue Why is everyone focusing on talent? How about speaking ability? Talent is worth 35% at state along with interview. So they are pretty much at the same level anyway. Miss CT needs to be someone who is talented and has a mature speaking ability (NT) -- No name, 15:43:53 04/06/21 Tue Talent was and is 50% at Nationals. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:24 04/06/21 Tue that could change? I would much rather see a well rounded representative than someone with just strong talent (NT) -- No name, 16:02:17 04/06/21 Tue (cont) I attended prelims last year. Not one contestant who made the first cut had what I would call weak talent-not one. And there was a highly touted contestant (touted because of her educational background and speaking ability) who got up to sing during talent and in my book was about a "2"-thus didn't make the first cut. Therefore it's only logical (unless it changes) to focus not exclusively but primarily on talent. And again the winner and runner up in 2019 were the two prelim talent winners. (NT) -- No name, 16:10:43 04/06/21 Tue At Miss America 2019? Because we were at finals night and some of the talents that made it in the final cuts were not the best (in my opinion of course, but I�ve been to many pageants over the years) (NT) -- No name, 16:41:09 04/06/21 Tue Yes!!!! And being a Miss State is a year long job which requires meeting many people and furthering the organization (among other duties, of course) (NT) -- No name, 16:10:36 04/06/21 Tue Precisely. And now with talent and interview being weighted on the same level, both will be judged similarly. No use focusing on primarily talent when interview is weighed just the same. (NT) -- No name, 16:14:06 04/06/21 Tue Every Miss State has to compete at Nationals and at Nationals interview and talent are not weighted the same- Talent is weighted more. (NT) -- No name, 16:29:00 04/06/21 Tue But what the above poster is trying to say is that scoring might change. And there�s a final ranking at the end anyway too (NT) -- No name, 16:38:38 04/06/21 Tue Talent is entertaining for sure but how many times during her reign does Miss State/MA perform? Not many unless you sing the National Anthem. But she sure does open her mouth to speak...a lot. (NT) -- No name, 16:44:11 04/06/21 Tue Then why is Talent 50 % at Miss America? (NT) -- No name, 17:08:31 04/06/21 Tue It was 50% last year. There is no mention of the national scoring on the website right now. So its only state and local scoring that is out right now. (NT) -- No name, 17:17:04 04/06/21 Tue And since there's no gown or SS one has to anticipate that it will still be at 50%. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:29 04/06/21 Tue When did Miss America become Nationals? Toddlers and Tiaras anyone? (NT) -- No name, 17:21:21 04/06/21 Tue May I point out something about "speaking" ability. Private interview, SII, and OSQ are totally different things. One contestant can have a very weak interview,for example, BUT be able to memorize a Ted Talk successfully. PS: what's so terrible about saying "nationals"? (NT) -- No name, 17:46:59 04/06/21 Tue Because it is Miss America not some pay to play pageant that has watered down the whole pageant system although Miss America has cut their own throat. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:17 04/06/21 Tue ? (NT) -- No name, 19:47:53 04/06/21 Tue

Subject: Miss Connecticut Judges
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:13:34 04/01/21 Thu https://www.facebook.com/missctamerica [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Still can't find talent info for the contestants (NT) -- No name, 16:17:26 04/01/21 Thu

Subject: Small States
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:54:17 03/16/21 Tue What states do you think never get the attention they deserve? Anyone hear to represent a smaller not so popular state? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Well, as long as you're bringing it up, it was a miracle worthy of Fatima and Lourdes put together that a non sasher like CT got in the top 5 two years in a row. I'm sort of kidding, but being from there, I never thought in a million years that would have ever happened. (NT) -- No name, 13:19:31 03/16/21 Tue Thought Oei was the winner in '19... (NT) -- No name, 14:14:56 03/16/21 Tue Me too-I thought Bridget Oei was the whole package in 2018. In 2019 I liked CT too but was surprised she made it that high. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:35 03/16/21 Tue I thought Bridget had the total package. I can see how she made it as far as she did. She seems like a very nice woman too. (NT) -- No name, 16:08:00 03/16/21 Tue I think Bridget is finishing up her second year of medical school. (NT) -- No name, 17:52:24 03/16/21 Tue I wish Vermont would make the cut. Never in the history have they made the top ten. 14 non finalist talent award winners. (NT) -- No name, 18:21:58 03/16/21 Tue Impossible to be certain, but I am of the opinion that if the MAO had not dropped swimsuit Connecticut would have won. (NT) -- No name, 18:39:48 03/16/21 Tue That one girl (who won a talent preliminary) was on her way until she came out in that gown made from her Aunt Fiona's old drapes. All in the name of recycling. She just went to Bernie Sanders. (NT) -- No name, 18:39:59 03/16/21 Tue I can remember other Miss Vermonts with excellent talents, like Erica Van der Linde, but who also had very weak SSs and really bad gowns. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:17 03/16/21 Tue I'm actually surprisec that NH, who seems to have such a thriving state pageant, just drops their contestant off at the National registration and says" Give us a call honey and we'll pick you up when it's over." It seems like for all their trouble that they would spend more time prepping their girls. They've had like 2 finalists in 100 years. (NT) -- No name, 20:05:45 03/16/21 Tue Meh, I'm not sure that's fair. NH crew was all over the boardwalk in AC and the strip in Vegas during Miss A week. They're in full support of their girl. I think unfortunately they need to bring in some southern coaches because the coaches they have now don't seem to know how to make it happen. Lots of girls with potential and then they crash at Miss A. I think of girls like Meg Lyman who was adorably amazing. They sent her to Miss A looking like a 35 year old soccer mom. Samantha Russo won prelim talent and was on so many people's top lists, but she just wasn't stage ready. Regan Hartley who was 1st RU to Miss Mass USA looking sexy and beautiful showed up to Miss America in an 80s prom gown. Lindsey Graham was an amazing speaker and her talent was fantastic. Her wardrobe was terrible. And don't get me started on Rachel Barker - the girl who was robbed in broad daylight. There's no reason Barker should have missed that cut (NT) -- No name, 20:13:24 03/16/21 Tue I completey agree, and not having been at the pageant, it just looks like they desert her. They have had some outstanding candidates, especially Barker and Russo, but they seem to be left to flounder about for themselves. Plus, NH is so early in the season. Just think what a good coach could do to their girl in all that time. (NT) -- No name, 20:28:45 03/16/21 Tue I don't think it's a question of deserting the titleholder, but they just don't know what they're doing. Some of these girls are more ready for Miss A before they even win Miss NH. Then they win Miss NH and the coaches ruin her (NT) -- No name, 13:29:27 03/17/21 Wed For example here is Meg Lyman winning her local and Meg Lyman at Miss America. She needed some polishing, but they aged her like 15 years (NT) -- No name, 13:34:01 03/17/21 Wed Megan was Miss Lakes Region when she won Miss NH, so this is not the local she won when she became Miss NH. (NT) -- No name, 17:23:09 03/17/21 Wed Yes, Ashley Wheeler was her name and she could have been the one to make it. I believe she was the first Miss VT to win preliminary talent. She had an outstanding SS too and so much buzz around her. Then that gown... (NT) -- No name, 20:08:32 03/16/21 Tue Wasn't she the first Miss VT to win preliminary anything? (NT) -- No name, 20:30:46 03/16/21 Tue Yes she was (NT) -- No name, 13:28:26 03/17/21 Wed I agree with the above-referenced comments pertaining to Rachel Barker. I competed in a Miss America prediction contest (sponsored by David Weincek) that year & finished 4th runner-up. I had Rachel Barker in my top five. She was on my radar as well & my 5th place finish proves most of my projections panned out. (NT) -- No name, 16:21:43 03/17/21 Wed I sort of agree with R Barker being ripped off. I have the DVD and I thought she was really pretty, nice gown presentation, and very good ss. However (this goes for Lyman too) their tapping was "ok". It wasn't exceptional. Lyman had the misfortune of competing against Alicia Clifton that yr as well. (NT) -- No name, 17:27:13 03/17/21 Wed But since when was "ok" tapping not been enough to at least make top 10? I didn't have Rachel as the winner, but I did have her in top 10. Let's not forget that Molly Hazlett made top 10 with her gimmicky jazz dance that year. Rachel's tap was heads and shoulders above that and I would say her onstage presence and style was much better. If she had a sash state sash, I suspect she would have been in the running. Lyman competed against Mallory and Mandy Schendel. But at least with Megan, I can say her styling sucked. Not so with Rachel (NT) -- No name, 17:59:08 03/17/21 Wed Molly Hazlett, true, had weak talent, but I thought her SS and gown were like perfection. Maybe the lady u are referring to had a weak interview-who knows. (NT) -- No name, 20:30:47 03/17/21 Wed NH and VT -- No name, 22:31:56 03/17/21 Wed NH ME and VT -- No name, 22:42:21 03/17/21 Wed ....It would be so much better if the national contestants are not known by states but by numbers or their names (first and last or just their first name)...that would cut down on (NT) -- bigger state influence and natural bias of certain states....and no banners too!!, 13:43:40 03/18/21 Thu NJ -- No name, 01:47:30 03/21/21 Sun NJ -- No name, 21:50:05 04/03/21 Sat New Mexico (NT) -- No name, 17:09:30 04/04/21 Sun Why is Megan Lyman in the above photo being crowned in casual clothes? (NT) -- No name, 18:11:14 04/04/21 Sun

Subject: MAO Fundraising for MAFoundation via Spotfund- $500 for State
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:28:23 03/31/21 Wed Just got a notification that the girls are now fundraising $500 for state competition for the MAFoundation via Spotfund. Here are some of the girls featured so far: clickheretogotoMAOSpotfund. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Girls above in order: Maeve Hess-MA; AddisonSmith-OH; Maggie Mitzel-ND; Amanda Freel-OH; Kelty Zavitz-FL; Chailie Alsaffar-TX; Sienna Mascarenas-NM. (NT) -- No name, 10:51:16 03/31/21 Wed alsaffar from TX looks great! What's her story? Does she have the talent, interview, and SII to back her up? (NT) -- Getting excited for TX, 16:39:03 03/31/21 Wed Very talented twirler! (NT) -- No name, 19:37:08 03/31/21 Wed Thanks for the update. (NT) -- No name, 11:12:08 03/31/21 Wed I see that Camaro NM. Looking good. Pretty girl. (NT) -- No name, 12:27:47 03/31/21 Wed Did she win a car? (NT) -- No name, 13:15:32 03/31/21 Wed Is the $500 in addition to what some of the titleholders raised for CMNH last year? (NT) -- No name, 23:44:57 03/31/21 Wed I don't know, but I bet not. That was for 2020. Now they have to fundraise for 2021 directly to the foundation. (NT) -- No name, 11:00:56 04/01/21 Thu That�s a big difference in contestants in Ohio. Wow. (NT) -- No name, 12:36:21 04/01/21 Thu

Subject: What do you want to see on the 100 Anniversary pageant? I would love to see every states talent,maybe a little clip.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:29:18 03/30/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Once again, you do realize that with all the commercials during last year's competition, the actual competition only amounted to about an hour and 30 minutes. The time factor would be a major hurdle to show all of the talents, even short clips of them. Plus they can't seem to make up their mind regarding showing 10 talents, 5 talents, or two talents --the worst pageant in th of the program after last year. If they'd just stick to the formula of selecting TEN semi-finalists and have them compete in all phases of competition( like most of the states do) they'd be on track to having a solid competition -- just like it was for years and years. (NT) -- No name, 23:31:19 03/30/21 Tue The Miss America (September 2018) pageant was a two-hour show- they showed all ten talents, even the lousy ones. They had an evening gown competition and a final question. They could have fit in a SS competition and shown brief clips of every talent if they had eliminated that 25 minute gab fest with the top 15. It CAN be done in a two-hour show even with commercials. (NT) -- No name, 08:34:42 03/31/21 Wed Amen (NT) -- No name, 18:04:33 03/31/21 Wed

Subject: What candidate would you pick other than the winner from 1970 to current. I love your picks. Its fun
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:23:19 03/01/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1996 2 RU though i like Ali (NT) -- s, 21:27:45 03/01/21 Mon sorry my bad was thinking abt usa (NT) -- s, 21:40:33 03/01/21 Mon I can think of a few: Judy Mallett over Rebecca King, Alyse Eady over Teresa Scanlan, Cullen Johnson over Heather Whitestone, Tracy Hayes over Shawntel Smith, Michelle Warren over Kate Shindle, Rebecca Yey over Nina D, Lexie Madden over Mallory H, Acacia Courtney or Caitlin Brunell over Kira K, and Bridget Oei over Nia Franklin. (NT) -- No name, 21:52:43 03/01/21 Mon 1980 Paige Phillips, 1985 Honey Castro, 1988 Melissa Aggeles or Maya Walker, 1990 Linnea Fayard, 1991 Soncee Brown or Allison Hurdle, 1992 Catherine Lemkau, 1995 Paula Montgomery, 1996 Patricia Lienes or Allison McCreary, 1997 Christy Newman; 2000 Faith Jenkins, 2002 Casey Presler; 2003 Marina Harrison (NT) -- No name, 21:55:46 03/01/21 Mon 2006 Taryn Foshee, 2008 Chastity Hardman, 2010 Jalee Fuselier, 2012 Lexie Madden, after 2014 I stopped caring and following. (NT) -- No name, 22:05:41 03/01/21 Mon 1981 Paige Philips- Terri Eoff-Lencola Sullivan 1982- Sherri Ryman 1985 Kathy Manning or Tamara Hext 1987- Julianne Smith 1988 - Why were Nancy Humpheries and Kelly Jerles not in the Top 10? 1989- ABG (Anybody but Gretchen) 1990- Vitginia Cha 1991- Suzanne Lawrence 1993 Cathy Lenkau 1995- Cullen Johnson 1996- Monica Louwerens 1997- Erika Rachael Schwarz 1998- Myra Barginear 2001 Faith Jenkins 2003 - Scarlotte Deupree 2004- Tina Sauerhammer (NT) -- No name, 22:56:56 03/01/21 Mon 70- Kathy Baumann, 74- Debbie Ward, 75- Darlene Compton, 76- Mary Ellen Richardson, 86- Honey Castro, 89- Maya Walker, 97- Alison McCreary, 98- Michelle Warren, 99- Kelli Bradshaw, 01- Faith Jenkins, 04- Marina Harrison, 05- Kirstin Elrod, 06- Monica Pang, 11- Alyssa Rady, 13- Ali Rogers, 15- Jasmine Murray, 17- Rachel Wyatt, 20- Victoria Hill (NT) -- No name, 23:35:43 03/01/21 Mon Alyce Eady over Teresa, Bridget Oai over Nia F Maya Walker over Gretchen C, 1997 Christy Newman, Alicia clifton over Mallory H , (NT) -- No name, 02:29:18 03/02/21 Tue Chrystal Lee over Nina (NT) -- t, 02:30:46 03/02/21 Tue Absolutely (NT) -- LucidDreams, 16:28:06 03/29/21 Mon Maya Walker should have won. (NT) -- No name, 12:29:01 03/02/21 Tue There are some I disagree with and would have chosen differently, but in the end I wouldn't change any of them. Each of these Miss Americas had their good points, and their bad, but each brought something special and unique to the crown, and in their own way, made lasting impressions, be they good or bad, on those of us who love this system and hope it survives. Would not change anyone. (NT) -- Bob, 12:37:14 03/02/21 Tue Any one of the remaining contestants over Gretchen!!! (NT) -- No name, 15:10:33 03/02/21 Tue 1973 - Judy Mallett; 1975 - Janet Carr; 1980 - Lencola Sullivan; 1984 - Kathy Manning; 1986 - Kimberly McGuffee; 1988 - Maya Walker; 1995 - Tracy Hayes; 1997 - Christy Neuman; 2000 - Rita Ng; 2002 - Camille Lewis; 2004 - Veena Goel; 2008 - Chastity Hardman; 2009 - Kristy Cavinder; 2011 - Noelle Freeman; 2013 - Crystal Lee; 2014 - Victoria Cowen; 2015 - Daja Dial; 2016 - Arianna Quan; 2018 - Taylor Tyson; 2019 - Tiara Pennington. (NT) -- No name, 15:42:52 03/02/21 Tue I would have picked ANYBODY in the top 10 over the three New Yorkers in a row, Judy Heike over Rebecca King, Laurie Nelson (one of my favs) over Kylene Barker, Paige Phillips over Susan Powell, A Eady over Teresa Scanlan, and Bridget Oei over Nia Franklin. (NT) -- No name, 20:17:08 03/02/21 Tue There are a few winners that I keep scratching my head as to how did they win - Carolyn Sapp, Nicole Johnson, Angela Perez Baraquio, Erika Harold, Caressa Cameron. There are a few where I still keep scratching my head wondering what went wrong and they did not win: Lizette Gonzales, Marisol Montalvo, Monica Lauwrens, Faith Jenkins, Chisty Cavender, Crystal Lee. (NT) -- No name, 12:35:28 03/03/21 Wed Nicole Johnson, platform and you're not going to beat the girl wearing an insulin pump. Caressa, you're not beating that talent or her interview. People from Oklahoma saw my badge Caressa's year and said, oh, you have the winner. We know. We're Oklahoma and no one is beating Virginia this year. So I don't know why those 2 are head scratchers for you. People still talk about Christy Cavender and that's the head scratcher for me because she was a good dancer but that was about it. Caressa's on stage question night, the people from Ohio were sitting behind us and OSQ night should be a big let down. She nailed her answer and one of the Ohio people said, "this pageant is completely over". Lizette didn't win because she was a mean girl and the judges saw through it. The risers exploded in joy when she was called out as a runner up. Faith I agree with, should have won. But what a great career since. (NT) -- No name, 13:02:40 03/03/21 Wed Got your point on Nicole Johnson. Still do not get Caressa - difference must have been more noticeable in person. I did hear that Lizette was there to win - but so was the infamous Tara Dawn. I have no problem with people going there to compete so can't knock her for it. (NT) -- sonia, 13:34:20 03/03/21 Wed Let's face it, Marisol lost because she wasn't very pretty. (NT) -- No name, 13:36:32 03/03/21 Wed Then you've not met Caressa to say she's a head scratcher. She won talent and if you saw her interview or spoke with her you would understand. (NT) -- No name, 14:25:34 03/03/21 Wed Christy Cavender had the most irritating speaking voice and reminded me of a affected, overzealous, child actor. (NT) -- Judges knew people couldn't listen to that voice the whole year., 14:40:28 03/19/21 Fri No, Caressa did not nail her OSQ. I wanted her to win, but the answer had her saying about kids going into the street and playing with sticks. I was like, oh no. And then the 1st runner-up named her OSQ. Like I said, I was rooting for her but the OSQ was an �oh no!� But the judges had already decided. (NT) -- So yes, a head scratcher. And her first runner-up was an exceptional dancer., 07:39:29 03/29/21 Mon "But the judges had already decided." If we're going to discuss initial gut instincts, I'd mention Katherine Putnam as my choice. Yet CC just seemed to have momentum all week. (NT) -- No name, 05:40:21 03/30/21 Tue Caressa was the undisputed winner. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:48 03/30/21 Tue Carolyn Sapp had a great interview and personality. She was made to be Miss America because of that. One of the better ones overall. Marisol Montalvo had no desire to be Miss America so it worked out best for her. A big sum of money and not the demands of the national title. (NT) -- No name, 14:58:22 03/03/21 Wed And she was drop dead gorgeous. MAO needed to get back to beauty by the time she was crowned. (NT) -- No name, 16:50:35 03/03/21 Wed Carolyn was NO surprise to me, my friends there and almost everyone who was there all week. She was a favorite. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:39 03/03/21 Wed I wasn't there yet I was in telephone contact with Atlantic City in Sapp's year. She was MUCH discussed. Pre-pageant, it was all about Cheryl Majercik. First night prelims, though, Sapp won swimsuit. Next night, Majercik lost talent to Simodi. And the next comment was Sapp held her own in talent. It was basically Sapp's to lose afterwards. My Miss State sat next to Sapp backstage & reported Carolyn was very confident. (NT) -- No name, 15:24:17 03/04/21 Thu I was in Atlantic City when Carolyn Sapp, Nicole Johnson and Erika Harold all won. None were a surprise at all after being there all week. I was surprised with Angela Perez Baraquio but I liked her. Was not there when Caressa won. Crystal Lee was amazing and almost won. Nina was strong too. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:43 03/03/21 Wed I think we should all be thankful that Lisette Gonzalez didn't win. She wasn't at all the picture of congeniality and that does matter for the brand. Monica Lawrens (sp?) was a doll (NT) -- No name, 07:35:03 03/08/21 Mon Monica should have won. (NT) -- No name, 22:50:48 03/12/21 Fri I was not feeling great this morning post second Covid shot and the 1996 pageant came up on my Youtube feed -- No name, 14:16:19 03/04/21 Thu Not sure what pageant you watched, but NY and MA didn't make top 10 in the 1996 pageant (Miss America 1997, which was won by Tara Dawn Holland) (NT) -- No name, 07:58:36 03/08/21 Mon Maya over Gretchen, Cullen over Heather, Katharine Putnam over Stam. (NT) -- No name, 16:35:16 03/04/21 Thu 1972: Idaho Karen Herd over Laurie Shaeffer, 1973 Maryland Kathleen Neff over Terry Meeuwsen, 1978 any of the top 10 over Susan Powell, 1980 Arizona Pam Wenzel over Cheryl Prewitt, 1981 Arkansas Lencola Sullivan over Susan Powell. I can pick another contestant over the winner most every year but for the most part I think the ones that win were fine. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:01 03/04/21 Thu I think is so sweet you mentioned our Kathleen Neff. She is such a lovely lady and very in shape the last time I saw her at the state pageant. Really, quite beautiful. (NT) -- So many small states had truly lovely winners back in the day., 17:09:28 03/04/21 Thu "In the future, I see myself as a wife and mother -- in a nice quiet place...just like Cumberland, Maryland." (NT) -- No name, 17:22:20 03/04/21 Thu You've got to be kidding about anyone replacing Terry Meeuswen as Miss America 1973. Extremely talented, poised, articulate, and with that undefineable quality that Al Marks referred to -- charisma -- her win was definitely a no-brainer. And if the judges had been accurately ranking the contestants the following year, Judy Heike would have become Wisconsin's second Miss America in a row. Rebecca King was not in the top 5 in any of the on-stage categories that year. The judges ranked her higher in all of those categories because of her interview. (NT) -- WI fan, 01:14:06 03/05/21 Fri Years that stand out to me, 1985- Melissa Bradley over Wells, Dawn Smith over Cash, 1989- Walker over Carlson, 1991- Dana Brown over Vincent, 1998- Myra Barginear over Shindle, 2008- Christina Thompson over Haglund, 2009- Chasity Hardman over Stam, 2011- Emoly West over Scanlan, 2012- Betty Thompson over Kaeppler, 2013- Lexie Madden over Hagan, 2014- Crystal Lee over Davaluri, 2015- Jasmine Murray over Kazantsev , 2017, Rachel Wyatt over Shields (NT) -- No name, 03:01:07 03/05/21 Fri Not saying she should have won over Savvy but wow - Rachel Wyatt! Wow, what a beautiful girl. (NT) -- No name, 15:54:43 03/07/21 Sun I'll say it. Rachel should have won! (NT) -- No name, 18:34:16 03/08/21 Mon Ali Rogers should have won instead of Mallory. SC normally sends beauties. (NT) -- No name, 18:35:19 03/08/21 Mon Yes, but 2000 was a real head scratcher. (NT) -- No name, 11:16:26 03/26/21 Fri Speaking of back to back states, I think Ashlee Baracy danced her heart out but they probably didn't want back to back Miss Michigan's. Indiana had nicole rash and Katie Stam. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:58 03/08/21 Mon Think Nicole Rash got robbed. I liked her talent and she was beautiful and the whole package. (NT) -- sonia, 11:17:59 03/08/21 Mon Some years I've a clue as to who will win before tuning in and other years I've a gut feeling a fluky, unpredicted outcome awaits.... (NT) -- No name, 18:21:20 03/08/21 Mon Rachel Wyatt is stunning for sure but Savvy had a certain sparkle, one of my favorite Miss Americas (NT) -- No name, 08:51:34 03/15/21 Mon I agree. Love them both, very different in their own way. I always wished Rachel would have attempted USA at some point, but seems to be having a great life. (NT) -- No name, 18:16:51 03/29/21 Mon 1979- Guylyn Remmenga over Kylene Barker. That controversy was still so sad and unfair, but... it's history now! (NT) -- No name, 10:46:33 03/18/21 Thu Loved Guylyn Remmenga! Stunned she didn�t make the 5, or even win it all. Was there some controversy about her? (NT) -- No name, 22:36:51 03/18/21 Thu ....The Nebraska native did win Miss National Sweetheart before she came back to win a shot to compete at Miss America. (NT) -- So not all was lost for this gal. Curious to know what she is doing these days? A lawyer still?, 15:52:41 03/19/21 Fri What was the controversy? I believe that Guylyn was the Sweetheart winner the year before. When it got down to the final six, she must have thought she was the winner. Of course, Lori Bergen also made a big fuss about Kylene's win. Didn't she refer to Kylene as a Barbie doll? (NT) -- No name, 23:08:01 03/18/21 Thu I watched the pageant last night on You Tube. I cannot believe that Guylyn did not win either. Obviously Bergen lost in SS, but still should have made Top 5. So what was the "controversy" ? (NT) -- No name, 07:45:39 03/23/21 Tue Guylyn probably should have placed...Win? No. Bergen should have been happy just to be in AC. Talented yes but was big and that was not going to cut it. In no way, shape, or form was she Miss A material. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:17 03/26/21 Fri Kylene was a pleasant surprise that year. Wondering what the buzz was that year in Atlantic City prior to final night. I'm sure Theresa Cheatam was probably expected to win being a double preliminary winner. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:39 03/28/21 Sun The buzz was that Kylene was a dark horse to win. (NT) -- No name, 18:04:43 03/30/21 Tue OP here: When the pageant was over, Guylyn revealed that prior to the talent competition she was told by pageant officials she was not eligible to win because of a scoring error at her state pageant that was unearthed by Florida's team; they knew she was a shoe-in for top 5 and maybe win, and back in the day it was clearly easier to affect competition in real time. While some may call it hearsay, it's very sad either way; although, Guylyn did go on to be super successful in her own way. She was told she could drop out of the competition or continue on with talent knowing she couldn't place; and she chose to go on .... (NT) -- No name, 11:59:33 03/31/21 Wed Shani Nielsen over Tara Holland. Her talent alone should have put her in the Top 5 at least. (NT) -- No name, 16:26:08 03/19/21 Fri I so agree with you. No one since Shani has come close to her awesome rendition of "In His Eyes." And how she didn't make it to top 5 is also big mystery to me. (NT) -- No name, 01:54:26 03/20/21 Sat Leonard Horn didn't like Shani's Pet Therapy platform. He felt it was lame & not marketable nationally. That's what kept Shani out of top five. (NT) -- As told to me by my Miss State upon her Atlantic City return., 06:13:56 03/20/21 Sat And so Leonard Horn instructed the judges not to advance her past top 5 because of her platform? What's the point of having judges if the CEO is going to make this kind of call. (NT) -- No name, 10:53:35 03/20/21 Sat The point of having judges is to attract and audience that will watch a rigged "competition". (NT) -- It has always been the case, at least since the 80s., 11:17:12 03/22/21 Mon I actually think it's irrelevant to an audience who the judges are. That's why I also think it's ridiculous to have celebrity judges during the finals of Miss America. Some of us that have followed the Miss America program for years and years and would know what to look for would almost give our first born to have an opportunity to judge the national pageant. Instead they choose people that could care less about the program, may have never watched it in their lifetime . . . and then we wonder why we get the winner we do. I will never forget the dufus that wore a baseball cap the year Betty won. What a joke. (NT) -- No name, 00:44:11 03/27/21 Sat Or Mike Fleiss sitting in the judges pit wearing sun glasses and vaping during the competition. (NT) -- No name, 11:55:16 03/27/21 Sat Teresa Cheatham (double prelim winner!) definitely should have beaten Kylene Barker in 1979. (NT) -- No name, 02:51:52 03/28/21 Sun Weren�t Teresa cheathams prelim wins ties? I think Kylene probably won gown and swimsuit finals night. I liked the top 5 overall that year. Supposedly Lori Bergen had the best interview of the entire pageant not to mention her superior talent but it wasn�t enough to overcome the beauty party. Watching the state pageants on YouTube, South Carolina should�ve sent Shawn weatherly instead of a 17 year old. Weak talent for sure but would�ve easily won a swimsuit prelim and placed. (NT) -- No name, 03:08:44 03/29/21 Mon She tied in SS with MS and won talent in get group outright. The tie in talent was FL and NE. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:43 03/29/21 Mon Can you imagine Weatherly and Barker onstage together fighting it out in the beauty category? According to an old roommate I had who was from Galax, VA. He went to high school with Barker, and he said she was so beautiful that he was in love with her.....and he was gay! (NT) -- No name, 16:21:47 03/29/21 Mon Barker was much beautiful and overall better looking than Weatherly. Weatherly had no talent what so ever and got beat by a 17 year old at Miss SC. The stars aligned for her at Miss USA and Universe. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:51 03/29/21 Mon No she wasn�t. Kylene was pretty, but weatherly was out of this world gorgeous . Kylene was the weakest in the top 10 talent wise. Her talent was on the elementary school level but she was beautiful and that�s what counted the most that year. (NT) -- No name, 22:23:37 03/29/21 Mon Weatherly would never had made the top 10 at MA. Looks or not.....there was no substance. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:14 03/30/21 Tue As a fan, Kylene's talent was my favorite. (NT) -- No name, 17:03:58 03/30/21 Tue She looked so much older than 17! The winner of SC that year! (NT) -- No name, 18:22:22 03/29/21 Mon Mary Diane Toole won the year Shawn Weatherly was 1st r/u. Mary was an incredibly talented ballerina. Shawn was gorgeous, but that was all she had going for her. Her talent was on par with a first year tap student. (NT) -- No name, 21:23:42 03/29/21 Mon Kylenes was just slightly better. Fun to watch but on par with a elementary school recital. Pam wenzel the next year and Sheri ryman were wonderful gymnasts from that era. (NT) -- No name, 22:27:43 03/29/21 Mon It's significant to note the 17 year old (Mary Diane Toole) who beat Shawn at Miss SC received a non-finalist talent award at Miss America. Quite impressive for a 17 year old to win a southern sash state at age 17 & then receive nft nationally. And I believe Kylene paved the way for Pam Wenzel (preliminary talent & top 10), who -- I think -- also used Chuck Mangione's music. (NT) -- Shari Ryman remains in a league of her own & should've been Liz Ward's 1st runner-up., 05:36:17 03/30/21 Tue Ever hear of Paige Phillips, 17 year old Miss Alabama. Mary's ballet is very good but that is all she had going for her. (NT) -- No name, 10:48:06 03/30/21 Tue

Subject: Tuesday Quotations
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:17:32 03/30/21 Tue A. This talent I shared not as a gift but as an expression of friendship and love. B. ....and kids go on the street & possibly get discouraged from school. C. ...this is no longer dress rehearsal. D. Heaven only knows. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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D is Miss CA Susan Anton. (NT) -- No name, 07:56:24 03/30/21 Tue A is Jenny Sauder, Miss FL 1987 and B is Melissa Aggeles, Miss FL 1988 (NT) -- No name, 10:05:33 03/30/21 Tue Is C Shelly Yoder, Mss Indiana 1992? (NT) -- No name, 11:34:03 03/30/21 Tue As expected, Guru readers nailed these with no incorrect guesses. (NT) -- Good work., 12:36:05 03/30/21 Tue

Subject: Miss Louisiana 2000
Author: YouTube Observation [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:39:09 03/26/21 Fri Crowning... Faith Jenkins... 1st runner up didn�t hug or congratulate faith when she won. Was this top 5 a controversial one? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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No. Did you see the way Jenkins reacted? Shelley Colvin was probably trying to move away in fear of getting hurt. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:24 03/26/21 Fri Lol (NT) -- No name, 10:39:54 03/26/21 Fri She looked like someone shot her. Like she had an out of body experience. (NT) -- No name, 11:46:48 03/26/21 Fri Just watched that. Wow! Faith certainly spruced up before AC. Just looking at that years Top 5, you would never pick the winner. The other contestants didn�t seem so excited. And the Jesus revival production number was different at a pageant (NT) -- No name, 18:19:30 03/26/21 Fri Those girls jumped for joy! They did a lot of Jesus at pageants in the South. (NT) -- No name, 22:13:05 03/26/21 Fri Faith was shocked. The last black Miss Louisiana was in 1984 -Nita Whitaker. Faith did not win any prelims either at state. Shelly was just stunning and it was her last year. That makes things really much harder. But, Faith had substance which is why she won. And clearly she did great at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 03:54:35 03/30/21 Tue I loved that song that Faith performed at this pageant- "Next Time I Love." As i recall, the first time I heard it was on a peliminary talent tape. I believe Miss Maine sang it the next year at Miss America. This is also the first pageant I've witnessed where all 10 semi-finalists were vocalists. (NT) -- No name, 06:32:45 03/30/21 Tue yall those outfits are giving me life lol......it is hard though see that girl that everyone thought would win and she doesn't. Not taking anything away from the winner but that look is always so sad. (NT) -- No name, 09:39:00 03/30/21 Tue

Subject: MAO Pageant Interviews
Author: obsessedpageantfan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:04:10 03/29/21 Mon Does anyone have access to the 2019-2020 MAO Interviews, that they are willing to share? I'm looking for Camille or Nia. If you have Nina's interview, I would love to see it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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https://watch.jcproductions.tv/maprelims/ (NT) -- No name, 17:20:51 03/29/21 Mon

Subject: Superb SS Competition from Miss Grand International 2020 Swimsuit Competition
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:09:52 03/29/21 Mon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv2DLeRsTw4&t=2001s [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The bottoms are a little too cheeky and I wouldn't want to navigate those steps in heels and a SS but I do miss this category of the PAGEANT (NT) -- No name, 16:29:28 03/29/21 Mon

Subject: Final, Final Miss NC Candidates down to 35

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Miss NC Class of 2021

Statesville - Melody Hager, (vocal) 2017 NF
Rose Hill - Ashley Brooke Daniels, (dance) new
Moore County - Karolyn Martin, (vocal) new
Sandhills - Courtney Smith, (dance) 2017 1ru, 2018 2ru
Emerald Ridge - Tessa Rabideau, (vocal) 2018 NF
Stanley Co. - Karie Grace Shields, (vocal) new
Zebulon - Julia Walsh, (vocal) 2019 NF, 2018 NF
Randolph Co. - Gracie Hensley, (dance) new
Wilson - Madelanah McFarland, (vocal) new
Garner - Megan Huff, (vocal) 2018 NF
Asheville - Hannah Teague, (dance) new
Blue Ridge Valley - Hannah Harvey, (vocal) 2018 NF
Central Carolina - D�Amrah Rowdy, (dance) new
Thomasville - Emily Pena, (Piano) new
Goldsboro - Alexis Carol Brown, (dance) new
Henderson - Lauren Walsh, (vocal) 2017 NF, 2018 talent, 2019 Top10
Cabarrus Co. - Tiffany Rush, (vocal) 2019 NF
Gaston Co. - Mariana Linares, (Dance) new
Gastonia - Julia DeSerio, (vocal) new
Dunn - Maya Bryant, (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF
Metrolina - Kaitlyn Sparks, (vocal) 2019 NF
Sampson Co. - DaCiya Solice, (vocal) new
Charlotte - Maddy Wilson, (dance) 2018 NF
Mecklenburg Co. - Sophia Kellstrom, (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF
Cleveland - Carli Batson, (dance) 2018 Top 10/talent, 2019 2RU
Johnston Co. - Maura Westbrook, (vocal) new
Wilmington - Bryana Carrington, (dance) 2017 NF, 2019 NF
Mt. Holly - Anne Marie Hagerty, (piano) new
Spivey�s Corner - Abby Britt, (dance) 2017 NF, 2018 Top 15, 2019, NF
Raleigh - Carlie Spencer, (dance) - 2018 NF, 2019 Top 10
Durham - Anna Claire Musick, (dance) - 2019 Top 15
Greenville - Cassidy Stoltenberg, (dance) new
Jacksonville - Jada Carter. (dance) new
Fayetteville Dogwood Festival - Hailey Hudson, (vocal) - new

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Subject: Is anyone else following the Miss Grand International Pageant? I had never heard of it, but wow, it is on par with Miss Universe. USA won, but Guatemala was across the board the winner. A three-way tie for the winner and that had to be broken with one more question. Find it on Facebook.
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And to add, Nick Verreos reviewed the fashions. Miss USA�s National costume had images and names of high profile victims of police violence. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:14 03/28/21 Sun

Subject: Titleholder Professions
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:36:51 03/26/21 Fri I�m curious to know what job titles candidates in your state hold outside of their MAO title! Does your state make your candidate quit her job after winning the state title? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Most of ours were still in school. Shivali worked/s as an engineer, did not quit. (NT) -- No name, 19:35:47 03/26/21 Fri Plastics Engineer for Honda (NT) -- No name, 21:09:14 03/26/21 Fri Indiana is almost always still in school. Last one not in school had just graduated and is a teacher. (NT) -- No name, 21:49:19 03/26/21 Fri Texas typically requires the girl to quit school and/or job. Very unfortunate. I've heard that the state winner in Texas only has 40 minutes to review the entire contract before she actually has to sign it. She then proceeds to a dinner reception. I know only a few Texas titleholders who fought to stay in school or keep their job. (NT) -- No name, 00:10:30 03/28/21 Sun Which Texas winners stayed in school or kept their jobs? (NT) -- How were they treated by the MTO?, 11:28:43 03/28/21 Sun

Subject: Miss North Carolina FINAL: 36 Candidates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:01:10 03/15/21 Mon Miss NC Class of 2021 Statesville- Melody Hager, (vocal) 2017 NF Rose Hill- Ashley Brooke Daniels, (dance) new Moore County- Karolyn Martin, (vocal) new, Sandhills- Courtney Smith (dance) 2017 1ru, 2018 2ru Emerald Ridge- Tessa Rabideau, (vocal) 2018 NF Stanley Co.- Karie Grace Shields, (vocal) new Zebulon - Julia Walsh (vocal) 2019 NF, 2018 NF Randolph Co. Gracie Hensley, (dance) new Wilson- Madelanah McFarland, (vocal) new Garner- Megan Huff, (vocal) 2018 NF Asheville- Hannah Teague, (dance) new Blue Ridge Valley- Hannah Harvey (vocal) 2018 NF Central Carolina- D�Amrah Rowdy (dance) new Thomasville- Emily Pena (Piano) new Goldsboro - Alexis Carol Brown, (dance) new Henderson - Lauren Walsh (vocal) 2017 NF, 2018 talent, 2019 Top10 Cabarrus Co. - Tiffany Rush (vocal) 2019 NF Gaston Co.- Mariana Linares, (Dance) new Gastonia - Julia DeSerio, (vocal) new Dunn - Maya Bryant (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF Metrolina - Kaitlyn Sparks (vocal) 2019 NF Queen City - Tiffany Smith (vocal) 2017 NF, 2018 NF, 2019 NF Sampson Co. - DaCiya Solice (vocal) new Charlotte: Maddy Wilson (dance) 2018 NF Mecklenburg Co.- Sophia Kellstrom (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF Cleveland 1/18- Carli Batson (dance) 2018 Top 10,/talent, 2019 2RU Johnston Co. 1/18-Maura Westbrook (vocal) new Wilmington 1/19- Bryana Carrington (dance) 2017 NF, 2019 NF Mt. Holly- Anne Marie Hagerty (piano) new Spivey�s Corner- Abby Britt (dance) 2017 NF, 2018 Top 15, 2019, NF Raleigh - Carlie Spencer (dance) - 2018 NF, 2019 Top 10 Durham - Anna Claire Musick (dance) - 2019 Top 15 Greenville- Cassidy Stoltenberg (dance) new Jacksonville - Jada Carter (dance) new Fayetteville Dogwood Festival - Hailey Hudson (vocal) - new [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Isn't there another festival queen going.... Taste of Charlotte or something like that? (NT) -- No name, 22:43:21 03/15/21 Mon She dropped out😢 (NT) -- No name, 00:29:07 03/16/21 Tue There are so many new girls this year that any one of these girls could come in and take it. I hope it is someone we never saw coming. Last year was so predictable that it wasn't even a good show. (NT) -- No name, 10:25:08 03/18/21 Thu Strongest talents...Batson- amazing dancer; Musick- tapper; Hager- superb vocalist (NT) -- No name, 15:58:50 03/18/21 Thu most talented IMO: Spencer, Walsh and Teaque (NT) -- No name, 12:51:40 03/20/21 Sat Thank you (NT) -- No name, 20:18:27 03/20/21 Sat For...? (NT) -- No name, 20:57:15 03/20/21 Sat Courtney Smith is the bomb (NT) -- No name, 20:21:17 03/20/21 Sat Queen City also dropped out (NT) -- No name, 20:56:36 03/20/21 Sat Oh no. I had not heard that😢 (NT) -- No name, 21:55:07 03/20/21 Sat Was there a first runner up? (NT) -- No name, 22:15:23 03/20/21 Sat Are you sure you don�t mean Miss Charlotte? (NT) -- No name, 18:00:04 03/22/21 Mon Both charlotte and queen city dropped. Charlotte appointed the 1st ru. QC is not (NT) -- No name, 18:34:07 03/22/21 Mon 36 contestants now, how many did they have in the summer of 2019? (NT) -- No name, 22:12:09 03/22/21 Mon 42 candidates in 2019 (NT) -- No name, 18:59:56 03/23/21 Tue Yes, but 6 of those were sweeps titles. No sweeps this year. If you add 6 sweeps titles to the 36, then you�d have 42 this year too. (NT) -- No name, 09:58:51 03/25/21 Thu Not really true. They crowned the Sweeps winners that are competing this year in March of 2020. They are included in the 35 (NT) -- No name, 12:32:40 03/25/21 Thu I think they crowned 4 instead of 6, they planned to crown 2 more but couldn't due to Covid. Sadly, no top15 They also lost Fayetteville, hopefully just temporarily... (NT) -- No name, 19:01:51 03/25/21 Thu They crowned the Fayetteville Dogwood Festival Queen Miss Fayetteville for this year (NT) -- No name, 11:53:25 03/26/21 Fri What happened to Miss Fayetteville? (NT) -- No name, 13:35:42 03/26/21 Fri The fayetteville dogwood is a long running festival pageant. this year due to COVID, it was virtual. Miss Fayetteville that normally goes to Miss NC took a year off to reorganize. (NT) -- No name, 23:01:37 03/27/21 Sat Does that mean they are down to 35? (NT) -- No name, 18:57:15 03/23/21 Tue From when my sister competed in 2017, they lost 9 locals I can think of. Belmont, Eastover, Capital City, Clayton, Eastern Carolina, High Point, Mountain Glory, Piedmont and Rowan County. Sweeps winners are included in the 35 (NT) -- No name, 12:36:58 03/25/21 Thu And Shelby, Hendersonville, Western Carolina, Carolina Foothills (NT) -- No name, 13:20:24 03/25/21 Thu I don't remember Belmont, Eastover, or Mountain Glory. Where was Mountain Glory held? Was it a sweeps title. NC seems to have a lot of preliminaries that spring up and just last a year or so. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:32 03/25/21 Thu Eastover and Mountain Glory were Festival pageants (NT) -- No name, 19:05:03 03/25/21 Thu BUMP (NT) -- No name, 10:28:54 03/25/21 Thu

Subject: 'We are changemakers': Two Danbury-area women vie for the Miss CT title
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:23:32 03/27/21 Sat https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/We-are-change-makers-Two-Danbury-area-16056696.php [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Dream Girl USA
Author: Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:55:11 03/26/21 Fri I've enjoyed watching the Dream Girls weekly competitions and semi-finals on YouTube. Can anyone post a video of the finals? I remember who won, but I'd love to see the competition itself. Thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Someone post half the finals- the first half, but is gone. (NT) -- No name, 21:22:18 03/27/21 Sat

Subject: What is the best story a Miss State shared after competing at Miss America?
Author: curious [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:32:39 03/22/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Mary Zilba (OH '87) not making top 10; calling a press conference..."I was robbed!" Hearing her "unbiased" account all week of the competition being rigged for Kellye Cash was priceless! (NT) -- No name, 16:51:58 03/22/21 Mon Please, more details. (NT) -- No name, 10:43:30 03/26/21 Fri Please, more details! (NT) -- No name, 10:45:25 03/26/21 Fri Our contestant, from a non-sash state competed during the years when the Contestants started in Disney World before heading to Atlantic City. The southern girls were sort of their own clique and acted stand-off'ish with some of the contestants from smaller states. So our girl bonded with the other smaller state reps. Fast forward to Atlantic City and our rep wins a prelim the first night of competition. Suddenly, the Southern Girls saw her as a threat and started giving her daggers, and the small state reps she was close with at Disney were still friendly but were pulling away as she continued to have a good week. She said it was the oddest dynamic and no one prepared her for it, and our State hadn't made the Top 10 in several years and non of our formers knew to tip her off to the competition week dynamics. (NT) -- No name, 21:42:23 03/22/21 Mon As a veteran watcher of MA, I noticed that; how some girls would not be as friendly. Same with comments about the smaller states, here online. This also happens at MU, where Hispanic countries are somewhat cold to non-Hispanics. It is very noticeable as names are called during eliminations.. (NT) -- I'm aboard with the notion that MA is chosen even before the telecast., 16:15:25 03/23/21 Tue which years were the Disney World years? (NT) -- And /when/why did they stop the tradition?, 17:25:53 03/23/21 Tue In the 90's. I remember our Miss State joking about how she felt so spoiled because they all entered the rides via the secret VIP entrances. This perk was during the ABC broadcast years. (NT) -- Disney/ABC same ownership, 21:13:23 03/23/21 Tue and early 2000's. Heather French's year the girls all went to Disney first before AC! (NT) -- My girl knew as soon as she saw Heather that she was the competition., 17:15:29 03/25/21 Thu I want to say it was around the 1993/1994 timeframe. Leanza's year the contestants still started in Philadelphia and rode the train over to Atlantic City. It was a year or two after that when it was switched to Orlando and Disney. (NT) -- No name, 10:25:33 03/26/21 Fri

Subject: Anyone noticed Camille has set up her own website and none of her bookings are going through MAO? Her site says it is the �only authorized location to request Miss America 2020.�
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:28:03 03/17/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Her contract was up. (NT) -- No name, 00:56:33 03/17/21 Wed And that means she's no longer getting paid! Now's the time to hire an agent. (NT) -- No name, 09:40:52 03/26/21 Fri You Rock, Camille (NT) -- No name, 01:28:31 03/17/21 Wed So there is no Miss America right now? (NT) -- No name, 02:36:04 03/17/21 Wed Bingo! (NT) -- No name, 02:57:18 03/17/21 Wed So MAO lied to the state orgs when they said that Camille graciously agreed to be Miss America until the next pageant? (NT) -- No name, 10:19:22 03/17/21 Wed Shantel is a politician so that's not surprising she lies to the states (NT) -- No name, 11:16:57 03/17/21 Wed Is anything that MAO says truth? (NT) -- No name, 23:54:07 03/17/21 Wed Once you lose trust, no matter what they say, you can't rely on it and that was so 3 years ago. Sad. (NT) -- No name, 19:46:25 03/18/21 Thu People have been pretty rough this year with Camille and this was unknown territory. MAO did nothing for her, not that they could have but their support of Miss America has been waning for years and this was the worst. I don't even know why anyone would compete for this at this point. Pandemic or not. (NT) -- No name, 11:29:37 03/17/21 Wed Because being Miss State is still a fantastic experience in many states. (NT) -- No name, 12:09:48 03/17/21 Wed This is what�s going on and this is what went on with Nia as well...Miss A no longer has a booking manager like in the past. Nia and Camille are doing their own bookings. Long gone are the days of seeing Miss A on any kind of red carpet events. Nia sat in a hotel room, called in as many favors as she could, Camille hired a PR person which was smart. This is why now Miss A is platform driven, that is what her appearances will consist of from now on! The average girl (the girl next door) does not have the connections or information to connect with high profile people/events as in the past. Anyone going into MAO needs to understand it is NOTHING like it used to be. The person/people who worked to get Miss A booked are long gone and she is 100% on her own. So in that regard Camille was smart to hire a PR firm, it�s just too bad that she had to. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:32 03/17/21 Wed I don't get it-doesn't every state winner have a business manager and even many local winners have a business manager? And Miss America doesn't? (NT) -- No name, 12:29:25 03/17/21 Wed There�s a booking manager, but she isn�t good at her job. She relies on people and organizations coming to her, instead of creating meaningful partnerships. I had Camille and Nia at events and Camille�s booking manager was terrible. She was unorganized and didn�t respond to emails. She passed her work off on other employees and it was obvious she would prefer to be at the events instead of working on details. I wouldn�t invite Miss America back if I had to deal with her and told many guests who contacted me about having Camille at their events as much. I felt terrible that she was painted with that brush, but the organization has really slipped. I had a number of people tell me, when I recalled this story, that the booking manager was drunk in public several times at last years pageant and the other employees were exasperated with her lack of organization and creativity in booking. (NT) -- No name, 13:44:15 03/17/21 Wed The last true booking manager ran out the door in the mass exodus staff under Regina and with it went the many client and sponsor relationships that took years to build. (NT) -- No name, 12:35:43 03/18/21 Thu ^^^^^^^ This right here is the absolute truth!!! (NT) -- No name, 11:49:35 03/19/21 Fri It sure is. Its too bad the board doesn't see it. Problem is people in charge don't know what they don't know. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:33 03/19/21 Fri So MAO- empty suits, all of them. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:15 03/18/21 Thu Does Shantel and the board know of this? If it were me, I would let them know by writing them a letter so its in writing. (NT) -- No name, 17:12:48 03/19/21 Fri Of course Shantel and the board know. (NT) -- No name, 02:36:03 03/26/21 Fri The issue is that the people in these BUSINESS roles lack the skills and experience to be successful in them. Too often, its people who have the heart for the program, but no qualifications. A booking manager should not be someone who simply responds to email inquiries as they come in. They should be actively reaching out to relevant and appropriate orgs to build connections and partnerships. Until we start finding folks who understand marketing, or at least train them to, girls at every level will have to fend for themselves. The ones with money and connections will do fine, but the rest will be very disappointed. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:06 03/17/21 Wed That's not true. Miss America definitely has a business manager. Camille is no longer an under contract with MAO so I assume this is for all bookings moving forward for her appearances similar to what other forevers have done (NT) -- No name, 12:38:05 03/17/21 Wed People forget, SHE headed back to school. (NT) -- Now she can try to get appearances just like any other former., 14:39:55 03/17/21 Wed You said business manager. We're discussing booking managers. If they are indeed a booking manager, there is no need for that position, since there is no MA under contract. (NT) -- No name, 09:29:33 03/26/21 Fri The Forevers should be Miss America now. They'd see a different picture and a different Rainbow. Would be a different experience. They'd be amazingly surprised. (NT) -- No name, 15:08:19 03/17/21 Wed She has someone who collects payment and chaperones her on occasion but she is not a booking manager. When I say that Camille and Nia orchestrated their own appearances that�s exactly what is happening. There may be a few appearances like the NFL thing but long gone are any connections to meaningful appearances. And long gone is 20,000 a month. (NT) -- No name, 18:16:36 03/17/21 Wed But don�t you think that is a reflection of society and the world? The days of pageant queens as celebrities have disappeared with reality tv and influencers. Miss America didn�t rebrand it even try to be relevant. (NT) -- Ted talks are not relevant. It�s dated and dead., 19:02:47 03/17/21 Wed MAO relied a grat deal on its partnership with dcproductions. NYE, red carpet, lots of tie in appearances. Same with CMNH, after the Sam debacle all of that was destroyed and the new management - and management after - did nothing. Embracing the #MeToo movement with a #FMysogyny- women can be brilliant, strong, talent AND wear a swimsuit would have been a better approach (YMMV) .. I believe this is where MVA is going (NT) -- No name, 19:17:36 03/17/21 Wed Why did the Mao and children�s miracle network partnership end? (NT) -- No name, 21:03:22 03/17/21 Wed They killed their cash cow (NT) -- No name, 19:52:13 03/18/21 Thu No it didn't, DCP gave them a small handfull of high profile appearances. They were responsible for a maybe 10% of the appearances at best. CMNH gave them 10 appearances and the rest were due to the booking mgr.. (NT) -- No name, 23:03:06 03/19/21 Fri NP- DHP gave the MAO its most high-profile appearances. (NT) -- No name, 14:53:56 03/20/21 Sat True and that accounted for a total 5 appearances for the year. (NT) -- No name, 22:58:08 03/20/21 Sat I would love to go to 5 high profile events in a year. That doesn't sound bad at all (NT) -- No name, 10:40:10 03/22/21 Mon I think girls are much more exited about these 5 appearances that a school talk or store opening. They're the highlight of her year, giving her access a state or local titleholder couldn't get. (NT) -- No name, 09:38:04 03/26/21 Fri Perhaps but then cheslie kryst got great exposure with high profile people and locked in a fabulous job and management agency so the "end of an era" argument doesn't hold. You need a dynamic woman and a solid staff and brand. (NT) -- No name, 22:03:20 03/17/21 Wed She was USA (NT) -- No name, 00:45:15 03/18/21 Thu Right, and that's a pageant. My point being, Miss America's state isn't due to societal decline, it's due to incompetence (NT) -- No name, 02:21:58 03/18/21 Thu You can be in denial all you want. It is declining due to society too. People are suffering and pageants do not play well into this time period. It�s an okay hobby, but it�s a bit out of touch when people can�t pay their rent and are on public assistance. (NT) -- And influencers are really something the younger generation looks at., 13:27:33 03/18/21 Thu MAO did not move with the times. They did not embrace social media fast enough .. should be on tiktoc .. Savvy knew how to use social media .. that needed to continue (NT) -- No name, 17:02:55 03/18/21 Thu NP- Pageants have only been a niche interest for 20 years. MAO's mistake was trying to appease those that would NEVER have us. Idiotic. (NT) -- No name, 19:55:35 03/18/21 Thu And then MAO separated themselves from their niche! Face palm emoji here (NT) -- No name, 11:54:57 03/19/21 Fri I only partially agree. MAO missed the boat when they decided that talent no longer mattered in the final decision, as the popularity of amateur talent shows like "American Idol" and "AGT" exploded in popularity. MAO, in it's never ending quest to show its relevancy decided to go the social justice warrior route and people yawned and tuned out. Somewhere along the line, MAO was so busy trying to appease its critics that it lost sight of what the American Public would respond to. We had amateur talent since 1935. Too bad MAO didn't use what it already had to catch the wave of amateur talent show popularity, because we'd be in a much better place today if we had. (NT) -- No name, 10:16:28 03/26/21 Fri But the MAO Appearance Manager is supposed to be that person. She isn�t because she doesn�t know how. She doesn�t have the connections or creativity to find new clients. She is paid a percentage of every appearance that she brings in which implies she�s supposed to go find them. She just doesn�t know how and gets paid wether she brings them in or not. (NT) -- No name, 20:27:20 03/17/21 Wed And thus the titleholder is left to her own to figure out appearances. Platform is what she has to go on unless she has a high profile org that she�s affiliated with. The direction MAO is going is not good. Sam was bad but he did have the connections and his staff knew their job. This has nothing to do with a pageant girl no longer being relevant, USA never has a problem making connections and getting booked. All MAO needed to do was make some small tweaks but instead they threw the baby and the bath water out. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:36 03/17/21 Wed This is simply not true (NT) -- No name, 18:13:07 03/25/21 Thu MAO needs to get rid of the present regime - all of them including the Board. We need Sharon Pierce. She is the only person who knows how and has the gumption and caring to get this organization back on track. (NT) -- No name, 00:13:34 03/18/21 Thu Our Miss State is not being seen at all....not even on the organizations social media. A new Miss State USA was crowned two weeks ago and she is already posting pictures with sponsors. The opportunity is out there. (NT) -- No name, 09:53:57 03/18/21 Thu I second the motion! Bring back Sharon!! She has class, an understanding of the program and is smart enough to bring about moderization correctly. And guess what she truly cares about the organization and is not about making herself "the star". At the very least they should put her on the board. Bring back Sharon! Bring back Sharon! (NT) -- No name, 14:41:33 03/18/21 Thu Yes, Sharon is the best. After Sam fired her, the organization declined. She is who should have been brought in to take over after Sam left. This pageant would be in a much better place if that had happened. She is still in AC and was working for Hard Rock and doing a great job. (NT) -- No name, 03:34:07 03/19/21 Fri She was not fired. (NT) -- No name, 17:19:05 03/19/21 Fri I remember when she resigned. Agreed with her choice at the time, but I would love for her to be running the organization now. (NT) -- No name, 02:22:46 03/20/21 Sat Can't blame her, it must have been tough working for Sam and Regina!!! Not to mention at that time Sam had Josh and Brent as his sidekicks. (NT) -- No name, 10:38:15 03/20/21 Sat furthermore I would like to have seen what she could do if even a fair chance. (NT) -- No name, 10:39:27 03/20/21 Sat* I heard that her resignation was requested and not voluntary. Happens all the time. (NT) -- No name, 16:06:34 03/23/21 Tue Camille is obviously still Miss America. She was at SFA in Texas today, wearing the crown for photos. It's on the MAO social media. So she is still the titleholder or she couldn't wear the crown, right? (NT) -- No name, 16:43:36 03/25/21 Thu Maybe they paid her for those two fotos 🤨 The gig was offered when she was Miss Virginia, so it could have something to do with previous obligation. If she were still under contract with MAO, she would not have her own website for speaking gigs. (NT) -- No name, 19:46:00 03/25/21 Thu Don�t even bother. These people are all about bashing MAO and spreading rumors if it doesn�t fit their agenda they don�t go along with it. (NT) -- No name, 21:27:18 03/25/21 Thu Please. How the MAO operates, without transparency and threats for sharing info, BREEDS rumors and also invites bashing bc of people's frustration with the last 3-99yrs. "Agenda??" Ah yes, the one where supporters desire competence from leadership. You're right; we don't "go along with (that)." (NT) -- Camille can certain appear as MA., 10:40:52 03/26/21 Fri I am sure they could only afford to pay her for one year (NT) -- No name, 21:23:53 03/25/21 Thu

Subject: A Topic that is never really discussed and usually just mentioned in passing is the Bullying that goes on especially in High School for Girls that enter Pageants. Many Pageant Contestants talk about bullying but it for some reason never is paid attention to, it is almost like how can some beautiful Teen get bullied at school??? What is the answer is their an answer, I think this hurts recruitment in many ways, that the National Organization does not address
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:22:18 03/24/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You are exactly right. That type of bullying is never mentioned. And it's not just young women who participate in pageants. (Although that's the worst)--- it's anybody who had an interest in pageants is made fun of and ridiculed even if they're adults.. (NT) -- No name, 10:44:10 03/24/21 Wed Usually by people who are jealous that they don't have the goods to compete! Wear your crowns proudly, Queens! (NT) -- No name, 11:10:23 03/24/21 Wed Not at all condoning any type of bullying but there�s a difference between �girls who do pageants� and �girls who do pageants and are obnoxious about it�. Sorry not sorry, but that is the bottom line. Wearing their crown and posting about it constantly is just inviting jealousy. HUMILITY is the key here. (NT) -- No name, 11:28:29 03/24/21 Wed I mean, I think the overall point is that ANY bullying is wrong, but when you think about bullying, there is a lot less sympathy for girls who are bullied for pageants or cheerleading, etc than girls who are bullied for, say, having acne, being overweight, wearing glasses, etc (NT) -- No name, 11:23:22 03/24/21 Wed Bullied about being in pageants! I saw let them eat cake. It's just a bunch of big ol' country girls that can't get a date to save their life. I say, give me five minutes with 'em. If I can turn Anthony into a Homecoming Queen and Bernice into Miss Leisure Living Retirement Home, I'll fix them right up! (NT) -- Suzanne Sugarbaker.....Miss Georgia World 1975 and lover of all crowns, big and small., 15:51:03 03/24/21 Wed On thing that could help is the crown and sash thing. They need a titleholder social media page that includes this stuff and a personal page that does not, that might be a small help (NT) -- No name, 12:05:17 03/24/21 Wed How would sash and crown help anything? (NT) -- No name, 18:24:43 03/24/21 Wed Bullying and exclusion go on within pageants as well. (NT) -- No name, 12:22:15 03/24/21 Wed What I could never understand is why parents don't prepare their kids ahead of time. And if they couldn't/wouldn't, then let the school introduce the subject; if not, get it from an adult. This is a responsibility adults should educate the public about. We know the basics: Bullies are very insecure; probably a learned behavior from home or entertainment; they are not only insecure but usually have to have back-up for their bullying. It not the fault of those who are bullied. Understanding is a key coping mechanism. (NT) -- Finally, have the kids join a beginner's class in self-defense!, 17:34:03 03/24/21 Wed I had a kid who bullied me unmercifully in Jr. High. Even beat me up a couple of times. He was 2 years older and my parents went to see the uneffective school principal and he did absolutely nothing. One day I had had enough. This cretin informed me that he was going to beat me up when I got off the bus. I just happened to have an empty Coke bottle in my backpack. One well placed zonk on his forehead was enough to make him reconsider. I know it sounds barbaric, but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. His parents sued my parents but it was thrown out of court. However, that was the end of me being bullied the rest of the way through school. (NT) -- No name, 18:51:44 03/24/21 Wed i had a friend who was bullied at a national pageant. (Teen usa) It does not help that MAO has bullies in the organization (NT) -- t, 20:39:35 03/24/21 Wed It also doesn't help that bullies win pageants (NT) -- No name, 22:22:45 03/24/21 Wed for sure S like Shauna Gambill and Christy Woods in Teen usa (NT) -- pam, 22:52:38 03/24/21 Wed Christy Woods wasn't alone at that pageant. Supposedly, it was her and two other girls and one of them went on to become a MAO state titleholder and made top 10 at Miss A (NT) -- No name, 23:57:06 03/24/21 Wed KG from FL (NT) -- No name, 01:27:27 03/25/21 Thu THATS THE ONE (NT) -- L, 17:07:54 03/25/21 Thu

Subject: PAGEANT QUOTATIONS -- Happy Spring!!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:48:43 03/23/21 Tue A. "Life is a song worth singing, & I'm ready to sing it!" B. "...I'm not into the Liberace style, I feel it breaks my concentration...." C. "I'm living proof that transplantation works...." D. "Every 15 seconds a woman is abused in the United States...." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A - Sonja Anderson, Miss New York 1976; B - Yolanda Ferandez, Miss Alabama 1982; C - Michelle Kline, Miss Pennsylvania 1989 (NT) -- No name, 07:58:52 03/23/21 Tue A. isn't Sonja Anderson but, boy, is that the BEST guess!! Sounds as though she'd say those words. (NT) -- Correct on B. and C., 09:56:56 03/23/21 Tue Is "A" Miss Maryland 1987? (NT) -- No name, 10:11:35 03/23/21 Tue Another excellent guess! The sentiment of Tammy Walker's on-stage speech was in the same vein. (NT) -- No name, 10:18:35 03/23/21 Tue After I posted Sonja, I realized it was wrong. I believe A is Sandra Truitt, Miss Illinois 1981. (NT) -- No name, 12:29:08 03/23/21 Tue Yes...it's Truitt IL 81. She state-hopped from NC to IL. (NT) -- Again, I applaud the guess of Sonja...the quotation is compatible with her persona., 12:57:26 03/23/21 Tue Did she compete in Miss NC? If so, how did she do? (NT) -- No name, 14:55:08 03/23/21 Tue She was 2nd runner up to Susie Proffitt in 1976. She was Miss Hickory. She waited nearly 5 years before she became Miss IL. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:30 03/23/21 Tue State-hopped, as in going to school at Northwestern. That's not really state hopping. State hopping is when you come from a state like Florida and audit a few classes at The Community College of Vermont. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:55 03/23/21 Tue Is D Marjorie Vincent? (NT) -- No name, 18:27:25 03/23/21 Tue Yes, very good!! (NT) -- No name, 09:07:15 03/24/21 Wed B is Yolande Fernandez. AL (NT) -- No name, 20:57:09 03/24/21 Wed

Subject: Any Chance
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:09:59 03/20/21 Sat Anyone think a girl that fits in with beauty standards even has a chance of winning a state title this year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes. Absolutely. If she also is extremely talented and is an exceptional communicator (NT) -- No name, 08:33:18 03/21/21 Sun I disagree. I think that girls that physically look like a Miss USA or a Miss Volunteer America contestant are going to have a much harder time winning a Miss America state title. Girls who are heavier and have a more 2.0 look (less glam, and more business look) will have a better shot. Miss America has drawn a line in the sand and is absolutely not judging on beauty and fitness whatsoever. To keep crowning stunners takes them further away from their mission. (NT) -- No name, 08:46:50 03/21/21 Sun Nonsense. Just because swimsuit is no longer a factor doesn't mean winners will look like crap. Get a grip! Camille had no talent but is a gorgeous woman (NT) -- No name, 09:41:04 03/21/21 Sun Camille is nice looking, would not say gorgeous (never count pro hmua photos) (NT) -- No name, 10:36:48 03/21/21 Sun What is a pro hmua photo? (NT) -- No name, 12:29:03 03/21/21 Sun Professional hair & makeup photos (NT) -- No name, 13:39:02 03/21/21 Sun I agree! So far MAO has followed their total inclusivity format. Im convinced next will be plus size, not necessarily overweight but definitely larger than you have ever seen for Miss A. Since there is no longer any physical fitness component a lot of the contestants that MAO has crowned at the local level fit this bill. It should be interesting. (NT) -- No name, 13:44:11 03/21/21 Sun Yes, MAO is about inclusivity now (other than girls with no talent or who can�t speak well). I actually think Camille is a very beautiful young lady, much more in line with 1.0 than with 2.0. However, I think this is the year that Miss America and their states pick someone different. There is absolutely no expectation of beauty or fitness. Think about American Idol auditions. The ladies that make it are all different shapes and sizes and looks. Think about when you have a slate of candidates applying for a real world job. You have people show up with all different shapes and sizes and looks. All people, regardless of shape and size, can keep themselves well and make themselves up and dress nicely. (NT) -- No name, 14:35:46 03/21/21 Sun You people crack me up. Miss America will be as beautiful as ever and as relevant. Can't wait for the first two states, I think CT and NH. (NT) -- No name, 14:36:30 03/21/21 Sun I agree!! (NT) -- No name, 18:38:09 03/21/21 Sun Montana was first to crown their 2021 state titleholder (NT) -- No name, 19:28:53 03/21/21 Sun No one wants to look at or follow an ugly Miss America. Let's hope she's pretty and dynamic unlike Camile who is "cute" and boring (NT) -- No name, 09:20:07 03/23/21 Tue The judges haven't changed and they will aways be influenced by beauty...it's life, not necessarily fair, but that's how it is. Now beauty alone won't win but if she has everything else then she is hard to beat (NT) -- No name, 18:52:08 03/21/21 Sun Yes, the judges have changed. Everything has changed. It�s not the same people anymore. One thing that is so different is the size of the girls competing. Quite a few of the current state titleholders have gained quite a bit of weight. You can also see the local titleholders who aren�t making any commitments to being fit. I agree I didn�t like the skinny girls winning swimsuit all the time and thought they were too skinny and not in any way reflective of what young women should aspire for. Now we�ve gone to the complete other end of the pendulum and are not putting any attention on healthy lifestyles. There has got to be a happy medium and Miss America Org hasn�t found it. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:53 03/21/21 Sun We have almost 50 girls in my state and less than 5 are anywhere near over weight. The girls haven�t really changed much. (NT) -- No name, 19:39:59 03/21/21 Sun The same judges are on the judges list. Did they get a new list and not tell us? MAO never said they would exclude someone due to being beautiful. People are human and they can�t help but be drawn to people who are physically beautiful But, being physically beautiful has never been enough to win in this system. This is why people who don�t understand the system will criticize the winner. Beauty won�t guarantee a win nor will it exclude a girl from winning. (NT) -- No name, 23:48:27 03/22/21 Mon We have a contestant that does very well in interview and has a really good talent but definitely doesn�t have the looks. Is it possible for her to win a state title? (NT) -- No name, 21:16:09 03/21/21 Sun Probably not (NT) -- No name, 21:33:52 03/21/21 Sun Look at TX titleholder (NT) -- Anything is possible, 23:22:03 03/21/21 Sun Look at last year's top 7. Beauty played no part in the competition, and it will be even worse this year. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 21:46:44 03/21/21 Sun That's not true. I thought VA, OK. and CT were all nice looking girls. (NT) -- No name, 14:51:15 03/22/21 Mon When I read this statement yesterday, I was also going to comment. VA, AL, OK, CT, and GA were all comparable to what we expect of a top 10 at Miss America, probably not Miss USA. But to say that beauty played no part of this competition is false. Once again, this is the huge mistake Gretchen and crew made when they touted that they would no longer be judging on physical appearance,. It would have made so much more sense to say we are no longer judging on a candidate's physique, because bottom line . . . we will never have an unattractive Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:57 03/22/21 Mon No!!!!! I�m appalled at what some States are picking! I hope the Volunteer system is different! It�s the only one left! (NT) -- No name, 14:45:58 03/22/21 Mon I too have been shocked by some of the girls crowned in my state! There will absolutely be a very large number of plus size ladies this season. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:38 03/22/21 Mon Dropping Swimsuit opened up the floodgates for plus sized contenders. I can't say I blame them either. (NT) -- No name, 22:16:06 03/22/21 Mon MAO was more worried about quantity, not quality. (NT) -- KML, 22:26:59 03/22/21 Mon I definitely agree with that statement! -- No name, 22:31:41 03/22/21 Mon I can't imagine walking into the boardroom of a major corporation and introducing my titleholder as Miss America and people are looking around and scratching their heads. I used to book models to clients and I would always make sure that the models were what the client was expecting. Essentially, in this type of business, you are selling a product and people are your product. Miss America, in everyone's collective consciousness, is supposed to be ideal. And yes, that means very attractive, talented, and articulate. Not an average, marginally talented "mall pretty" girl. Miss America is an ideal. Unattainable except for a very few. Everyone cannot be Miss America. That is why she is special. (NT) -- No name, 22:43:02 03/23/21 Tue Thank-you very much for your input. Most people in the community I live in feel the same way. -- No name, 08:31:43 03/24/21 Wed TRUTH (NT) -- No name, 09:16:41 03/24/21 Wed Wish we had a like button because this comment would get one from me. Miss America has turned into an everyone gets a trophy competition and that sucks. Reward young women who are the full package, the �ideal�. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:40 03/24/21 Wed SS should never have been dropped,. (NT) -- No name, 05:41:16 03/24/21 Wed

Subject: Debbie Turner
Author: j [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:41:21 03/18/21 Thu I know she was studying to be a vet. Did she graduate and did she ever open a practice? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She did graduate. I don�t think she had a traditional vet practice, but she was on the CBS morning show for a while as a correspondent covering animal care and animal news, I believe. (NT) -- No name, 22:32:16 03/18/21 Thu Debbye got her undergrad in Arkansas and then went to vet school at U of MO. That's what qualified her to compete in MO. She won Miss MO and Miss America as she was about to start her senior year of veterinary school. She went back after Miss America and completed her final year of vet school, but never opened her own practice. She was a spokesperson for Ralston Purina pet foods for a few years and took advantage of some broadcasting opportunities presented to her. Debbye is one of my favorite Miss Americas. (NT) -- No name, 22:59:04 03/18/21 Thu Debbye has been really big returning to emcee state pageants...and she is absolutely fantastic! I also have noted she judged a state pageant I recently saw on YouTube. (NT) -- No name, 04:58:01 03/19/21 Fri This is what I like about Debbye, I have judged with her. She made a lot of money during her year as Miss America. And since then, she knew she was her best Salesperson. Yes, she is asked to do many events, but she is never shy about being paid. No matter what the gig is, I think more titleholders should be like this. (NT) -- No name, 10:51:44 03/24/21 Wed Is she still under contract to CBS? (NT) -- No name, 15:53:05 03/24/21 Wed

Subject: Sorry to see the passing of Kennedy Nida, a Miss Arkansas Outstanding Teen contestant. Prayers for her family.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:23:58 03/22/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Didn't know she had passed. Deepest sympathy to her family and friends. (NT) -- No name, 18:58:20 03/22/21 Mon Oh no! What happened? Was she sick? (NT) -- No name, 19:12:39 03/22/21 Mon This breaks my heart. Does anyone know what happened? (NT) -- No name, 12:38:16 03/23/21 Tue According to FB, she was struggling. Mental health is real. Hug your kids, check on your loved ones. Just because some wear it well, doesn't mean it isn't heavy. (NT) -- No name, 13:30:40 03/23/21 Tue

Subject: https://youtu.be/0c_DB6fMLj8
Author: Barron [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:08:04 03/20/21 Sat Watch "Interview with Crystle Stewart, Miss USA President and National Director and Miss USA 2008" on YouTube She talks about her plans for the contest, including but not limited to: Prizes Swimsuit competition Duties of her queens and Location of the pageant [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She also commented on MAO's decision to nix swuimsuit (NT) -- Mikala, 17:20:17 03/20/21 Sat Perhaps Jason's best interview. (NT) -- No name, 20:27:38 03/20/21 Sat She seemed upbeat and confident about her new role and who better to be in that role than someone with her pageant history and the fortitude she and tenac�ty she had to win at State (NT) -- Ivana, 15:21:13 03/21/21 Sun Excellent interview -- Josh, 17:16:31 03/22/21 Mon

Subject: Congrats to the first Miss Oregon/Miss Oregon USA, Allison Cook (2013 & 2021)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:38:41 03/21/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So far two former MAO delegates are competing @ Miss USA 2021, Allison Chu and Allison Cook. (NT) -- No name, 13:18:11 03/21/21 Sun what state (NT) -- No name, 14:47:14 03/21/21 Sun Chu was/is Hawaii (NT) -- No name, 17:46:42 03/21/21 Sun in 2013? (NT) -- k, 19:56:40 03/21/21 Sun Allison Chu Miss HI 2016 and a Non-Finalist @ MA 2017. (NT) -- No name, 20:24:35 03/21/21 Sun As stated in title, Cook 2013 (NT) -- No name, 00:16:32 03/22/21 Mon Congratulations to these outstanding ladies. (NT) -- No name, 04:19:24 03/22/21 Mon

Subject: Anyone watch the Miss PA 2005 pageant posted? I think one of those tap dancers would have been a prelim talent winner if they went to Miss A.
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:54:58 03/20/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What are you smoking d. There were three tap dancers in the top ten. Shannon went on to become Miss PA in 2009 and did nothing at Miss America. Bethlene Pancoast was crowned Miss New York in 2006 and won a non finalist talent award at Miss America. Diera Shaw competed in New Jersey the following year and was 1st runner up. (NT) -- No name, 09:27:25 03/21/21 Sun I liked the host, Wes Johnson. Was he a local PA guy or is he from somewhere else. In watching some of these old pageant tapes, some of the hosts are cringe-worthy, while others can be a pleasant surprise. For example, Gloria Gilbert Barron does a great job with Miss TX. (NT) -- No name, 11:16:32 03/21/21 Sun B. Pancoast was in the Junior Miss pageant, wasn't she? (NT) -- No name, 12:45:39 03/21/21 Sun Yes, she was PA's Junior Miss (NT) -- No name, 12:52:23 03/21/21 Sun I thought Diera Was great and could have won talent at Miss A. But they were all good I think. (NT) -- d..., 13:11:12 03/21/21 Sun

Subject: Legitimate Question
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:51:53 03/18/21 Thu Do you think it will play against a girl in the upcoming MAO state pageants if she is drop dead gorgeous or stunningly beautiful? If a girl can�t help being beautiful on the outside, will it play against her favor with the judges? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Why would it? Unattractive women won under the old rules, so... (NT) -- No name, 08:39:23 03/19/21 Fri I think it will depend on what inclusivity goal MAO is trying to hit this year. I�m going to predict a woman on the heavier side with a good talent. (NT) -- No name, 11:45:23 03/19/21 Fri What is the "heavier side? A size 6? Puh-Leez! (NT) -- No name, 12:18:31 03/19/21 Fri NO. a size 14 or more. Just like in the plus size stores. (NT) -- No name, 13:26:50 03/19/21 Fri I agree. I think this is the year that they choose a winner that would clearly not have won in Miss America 1.0. I predict the winner will also be on the heavier side so that they can finally put the swimsuit/fitness debate to bed once and for all. (NT) -- No name, 14:22:32 03/19/21 Fri I agree that it will be a female on the heavier side, but the quality of the talent will not matter. -- No name, 15:09:09 03/19/21 Fri contestants -- No name, 13:37:49 03/19/21 Fri I also am predicting a plus sized Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 17:40:54 03/19/21 Fri I am predicting no pageant (NT) -- jo, 21:34:30 03/19/21 Fri I stiil believe it will be a beautiful girl, the best one we hope. I don't know what size she will be but I know that beauty won't hurt her, whoever she is (NT) -- No name, 18:43:04 03/21/21 Sun

Subject: there was a state winner from Kiras yea I think it was Massachusetts, She was in dental school. Did she become a dentist?
Author: s [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:55:19 03/21/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think you're referring to Lauren Kuhn, Miss Massachusetts, who was 4th runner-up. She was attending Harvard Dental School at the time of the pageant. Yes, she is now an endodontist. After Harvard she went on to advanced training for her specialty. (NT) -- No name, 15:09:11 03/21/21 Sun yes. Thank you for the prompt answer (NT) -- m, 16:48:46 03/21/21 Sun

Subject: Be honest, what is your favorite talent to watch?? I like the baton twirling. Not into speed painting.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:44:35 03/19/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I have a deep appreciation for this difficult talent. Sadly, twirling is often unappreciated. Average to below average singing and dancing are often placed above twirling. Wish people could understand how challenging it actually is! (NT) -- No name, 11:28:34 03/19/21 Fri Musicians, other than piano. I enjoy piano - but it is a common instrument. Well done strings, marimba, horn .. truly enjoyed a flutist who beatboxed a few years ago (MAOT) (NT) -- No name, 12:07:46 03/19/21 Fri Anything that actually shows true talent--singers who are on key with a pleasing tone and some range; instrumentalists who play a challenging piece; dancers who actually have skills, flexibility, etc and don't just hop around shaking their booties...I am so sick of nonsense being passed off as "talent" (NT) -- No name, 12:17:36 03/19/21 Fri I like all kinds of talents but I particularly like and enjoy watching Irish step dancing when it's done very well. I don't care for monologs or speedpainting. . (NT) -- No name, 14:22:13 03/19/21 Fri baton twirling, lyrical dance, (NT) -- No name, 01:32:39 03/20/21 Sat Nothing compares to red dixie cups (NT) -- LucidDreams, 16:48:02 03/21/21 Sun

Subject: Lets have some fun
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:11:11 03/20/21 Sat Comment on this post, and I will reply with a random state. You either do some research or if you already have an opinion, let me know you think will win the state pageant!! Lets have some fun! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Ok, I'm commenting.... (NT) -- No name, 02:20:48 03/21/21 Sun Oregon!! -- No name, 09:13:01 03/21/21 Sun Locals wont be done till May (only 3 titleholders right now) (NT) -- No name, 10:33:30 03/21/21 Sun This does sound fun! (NT) -- No name, 08:53:31 03/21/21 Sun New Mexico -- No name, 09:13:34 03/21/21 Sun They are accepting at-large candidates untl 3/31 so I'll hold on prediction (NT) -- No name, 10:22:42 03/21/21 Sun Alabama (NT) -- No name, 14:45:41 03/21/21 Sun

Subject: Post St. Patrick's Day Quotations
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:27:01 03/18/21 Thu A. "I LIKED being a youth minister." B. "...complain about the cafeteria like any other normal school." C. "You hear a lot of people giving good rhetoric to this subject, but you don't actually see people making it part of their lifestyle. We need to get in there and just do it." D. "Well I think first of all the strength of our families is vital to the strength of our nation. And each one of us need to make a commitment to our own families and to encourage those around us to make that same commitment as well." Happy guessing!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A --I'm pretty sure is Miss New Mexico 1985. (NT) -- No name, 19:34:55 03/18/21 Thu B is Heather Curren Miss N Dakota (1988?) (NT) -- same poster, 19:36:13 03/18/21 Thu So sorry. Tina Curren. I used to gave a friend named Heather Curren. (NT) -- lol, senior moment, 19:42:08 03/18/21 Thu Valerie Faber, who ties in so beautifully with the state-hopping thread below. She went from Virginia to New Mexico. (NT) -- Very good!, 19:36:37 03/18/21 Thu A. is Valerie Faber, NM 85. B. is Tina Curren, ND 88. (NT) -- OP, 19:38:02 03/18/21 Thu C is that opera singer from Ohio (1989)-can't think of her name. (NT) -- same poster--- this is a pretty easy batch OP. But I love'em, 19:39:16 03/18/21 Thu C. is the opera singer from Ohio '89. I was using excerpts only for the first two (& the last two might be trucated as well). I thought that might've upped the degree of difficulty. (NT) -- OP, 19:43:15 03/18/21 Thu Just remembered C's name: Kristen Huffman. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:37 03/18/21 Thu Yes, it's Kristin Huffman. Her well-articulated on-stage answer is just a hint at how good her private interview was. (NT) -- My Atlantic City source that year had Ohio middle-of-the-pack on her talent night, though., 05:08:29 03/19/21 Fri She just did't have demeanor or looks for a Miss A. (NT) -- No name, 11:27:11 03/20/21 Sat D - Carolyn Sapp? (NT) -- No name, 21:10:00 03/18/21 Thu No, good guess though. (NT) -- No name, 05:09:38 03/19/21 Fri D is Carrie Mitchel, Miss Colorado 1990. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:42 03/19/21 Fri Very good! (NT) -- No name, 06:40:20 03/20/21 Sat

Subject: https://medium.com/authority-magazine/author-hilary-levey-friedman-how-the-evolution-of-beauty-pageants-reflects-womens-history-df42bedc3534
Author: Barron [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:38:59 03/03/21 Wed Author Hilary Levey Friedman: How The Evolution Of Beauty Pageants Reflects Women�s History \| by Authority Magazine \| Authority Magazine \| Medium Friedman is the author of Here She Is: The Complicated Reign of the Beauty Pageant in America. She is a sociologist at Brown University and a leading researcher in pageantry, merging her mother�s past experiences as Miss America 1970 with her interests as a glitz- and glamour-loving sometime pageant judge, and a mentor to Miss America 2018. Friedman also serves as the president of the Rhode Island chapter of the National Organization for Women. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WOW ...Would love to read the book (NT) -- STEPHEN, 00:15:20 03/05/21 Fri Did she write another Miss America book? Or, are we still hearing about the same one? (NT) -- No name, 02:23:55 03/20/21 Sat

Subject: Miss Texas 2000, wow! Great pageant and stacked with winners.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:44:54 03/17/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Who all is in this? (NT) -- No name, 23:41:46 03/17/21 Wed Morgan Matlock, Tara Watson, Lisa Dalzell, Marshawn Evans and Jesse Ward. (NT) -- No name, 14:12:24 03/18/21 Thu Morgan is the Miss TX GOAT (NT) -- No name, 16:53:20 03/18/21 Thu I was reading through the YouTube comments for Miss Texas 2000 & was surprised no one mentioned Miss Harris County, Tori White. Her rendition of I Want More is my favorite rendition of a Linda Eder song ever performed in a pageant. (NT) -- So glad to see this!!, 17:41:54 03/18/21 Thu Tori was wonderful but let's just say she got on the wrong side of the powerful ED. The next year she won a big local, but just bombed in her preliminary talent. It was this awful version of "At Last" I like her a lot!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:00:20 03/19/21 Fri I thought Morgan Matlock won on her first try never knew she competed prior! How many times did she compete until she won! Loved her talent in 2000! (NT) -- No name, 22:01:56 03/18/21 Thu I was watching a little bit of this pageant last night---and for some reason I can't find it tonight (after numerous searches). It wasn't taken off YT, was it? (NT) -- No name, 23:22:38 03/18/21 Thu It's still there @pageantshayday. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:23 03/19/21 Fri she pretty much competed from the time she was 18 until she won at 24. Not sure if she sat out any years, but she tried for Miss TX at least four times. (NT) -- No name, 23:37:44 03/18/21 Thu Morgan had competed in pageants since she was a small child. (NT) -- No name, 21:01:37 03/19/21 Fri when did Marshwan win> (NT) -- No name, 21:10:58 03/19/21 Fri Marshawn was top 10 in 1997 and 1998, and then she finished 3rd runner up in 1999, 2nd runner up in 2000 and then competed in DC in 2001 and won. (NT) -- No name, 21:36:56 03/19/21 Fri

Subject: best Host go
Author: l [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:41:55 03/15/21 Mon Chris Harrison [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Donny & Marie (NT) -- No name, 14:50:04 03/15/21 Mon Gary Collins. (NT) -- No name, 15:56:44 03/15/21 Mon Gary 100% hands down. (NT) -- Miss him, 17:11:42 03/15/21 Mon Gary was always three sheets to the wind, which made it all the more fun. (NT) -- No name, 19:40:38 03/18/21 Thu Gary Collins (NT) -- No name, 17:11:25 03/15/21 Mon Gary Collins but Tawny Godin was excellent when she did prelims. At least she knew how to pronounce words properly. (NT) -- No name, 18:23:34 03/15/21 Mon Perhaps....Bert Parks (NT) -- No name, 20:47:25 03/15/21 Mon I never cared for Chris. In the post Bert Parks/Gary Collins era, I thought Tom Bergeron did a fantastic job the one year he hosted. He wasn't an ego that put himself in front of the contestants. I liked him and wish they would have had him back. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:00 03/15/21 Mon Liked the least: Wayne Brady by far. (NT) -- No name, 22:40:17 03/15/21 Mon Least for me is Ron Eli. Remember that train wreck? (NT) -- Wayne Brady was no where near that bad., 23:33:50 03/15/21 Mon Wayne Brady was all about Wayne Brady. Just like he is on Let's Make a Deal. Yes, I agree, Ron Ely was beyond bad, but at least he didn't crack jokes about contestants being so hungry that they were all panting after a piece of fried chicken. That just gave the swimsuit naysayers more to crow about. Personally, I'm not even sure that was Ron Ely. Maybe just some big wind up Ken Doll. He took wooden to a new level. Personally, no one could ever replace Parks at his prime, but he did get a little ditzy near the end. Liked Regis and Kathy, Donnie and Marie, Mario, but my favorite Parks replacement was Gary Collins. Other notable disasters.....Eva Larue and that man, Boomer Esiason, that strange woman from The Chew (or whatever the name of that show.) And oh yes, that other Ken Doll Academy graduate James Denton. (NT) -- No name, 20:20:13 03/16/21 Tue I thought Mario Lopez was overrated as a host. (NT) -- No name, 01:28:19 03/16/21 Tue Mario sucked. Ron Ely was set up to fail. Last year was painful to watch as was the year before. Nobody could have salvaged that nightmare. I did not think Danza was better than Viera and Boomer. I thought Callahan and La Rue were Ok, as were the Osmonds. If you want to feel old..Donny and Marie are eligible to join AARP. (NT) -- No name, 14:52:08 03/16/21 Tue Collins. Then Regis and Kathie Lee. (NT) -- No name, 23:18:32 03/15/21 Mon regis and kathy lee followed by donny and marie. worst was meredith viera (NT) -- sonia, 08:00:33 03/16/21 Tue Regis and Kathie Lee were my favorites. Mario was pretty good and better than some. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:27 03/16/21 Tue James Denton was a class act. (NT) -- No name, 15:48:59 03/16/21 Tue why dosnt anyone like Chris Harrison? he did s good job (NT) -- k, 23:08:53 03/16/21 Tue Long before Chris Harrison's current controversies, I have felt that "The Bachelor" is trash TV appealing to the lowest common denominator. And while I realize a former Miss America is married to the creator of the show, I have always had high distain for the ways MAO has allowed elements of "the Bachelor" into the telecast. This was true when they had the contestants sitting by hot tubs in bikinis in 2004 and having Chris Harrison as host. (NT) -- No name, 23:20:56 03/16/21 Tue Agree (NT) -- No name, 01:30:11 03/17/21 Wed Chris Harrison has no say in how the pageant was done ( or if they did anything resembling the bachelor. that is why they have producers and editors and writers (NT) -- k, 19:25:29 03/17/21 Wed I was fully aware of this when I posted my comment about how I disliked MAO allowing TV producers to infuse elements of the Bachelor into the telecast. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:23 03/18/21 Thu Kira Dixon should host the 100th Anniversary Telecast (NT) -- No name, 23:46:50 03/16/21 Tue Who? (NT) -- No name, 09:27:36 03/17/21 Wed n�e Kazantsev (NT) -- No name, 13:07:15 03/17/21 Wed Yes, and Hank Williams Jr. can provide the entertainment. He can serenade us with his rendition of "Red Solo Cup." (NT) -- No name, 15:46:19 03/17/21 Wed Toby Keith - Red Solo Cup (NT) -- No name, 00:33:07 03/18/21 Thu Yes, you are correct. I'm a little rusty on Country Music, lol. (NT) -- No name, 22:38:03 03/18/21 Thu Mario is the absolute BEST! (NT) -- No name, 01:29:13 03/17/21 Wed Without question- Dena freakin Blizzard!! (NT) -- No name, 01:52:35 03/17/21 Wed I agree with this 100%. I realized the OP meant celebrity host(s) on final night but Dena was always fantastic! (NT) -- No name, 16:02:42 03/17/21 Wed Has Dena ever hosted the final night (NT) -- No name, 16:41:11 03/18/21 Thu Bert Parks. The one Parks-era pageant I have on videotape is the 1969 (Pamela Eldred) pageant and he was really good. I also liked Regis and Kathie Lee. Tom Bergeron was the most Bert Parks-like, they should have brought him back! Chris Harrison was decent. (NT) -- No name, 23:45:14 03/17/21 Wed I really liked Gary and MaryAnn. Donnie and Marie were good too. Meredith and Boomer were interesting.... did she actually despise him or was that just an act? LOL (NT) -- No name, 09:58:49 03/18/21 Thu Mario !!!! (NT) -- No name, 10:36:51 03/18/21 Thu He was my choice for the worst. He wasn't right for the MTUSA Pageant, either. I read that some of the contestants at MA claimed he spent more time looking in the mirror than they did! (NT) -- no name, 15:07:39 03/18/21 Thu In my view Meredith Vieira ruins everything she ever touches. I mean remember when she did the syndicated Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? She was so awful and annoying on that show I stopped watching it after about a week. (NT) -- No name, 17:12:56 03/18/21 Thu I kind of liked Meredith. She's kind of worked all over the place. Right now, she's hosting a game show, 25 Words or Less, that even though it's produced by Lisa Kudrow (Friends) is kind of cheap looking production wise. Their losing contestants get something like a toaster oven, so the budget must be tiny. The winners (which are rare) only get 10,000.00. (NT) -- No name, 22:34:33 03/18/21 Thu In any regard, I guess you do what's offered. She has a very sick husband that she takes care of. (NT) -- No name, 22:36:11 03/18/21 Thu Who was that gorgeous couple from the soap? He kept his bottom lip pouty the whole show! (NT) -- No name, 18:21:56 03/18/21 Thu john Callihan and Eva Larue (NT) -- No name, 18:24:45 03/18/21 Thu I think he died last year. (NT) -- No name, 21:13:56 03/19/21 Fri I liked Ron Ely. One of the most handsome men in America was fine for hosting Miss A. I also liked Tony Danza's enthusiasm. (NT) -- No name, 18:51:55 03/18/21 Thu Danza had a tough gig. He hosted the one right after 9/11. (NT) -- No name, 03:28:52 03/19/21 Fri

Subject: Red Carpet Competition
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:06:41 03/19/21 Fri I am not understanding what the Red Carpet competition is actually going to be like going forward. Is this going to be the traditional evening gown competition? Is it judged on beauty of the girl or of the gown, or is this a total personality competition? Will it be glamorous? How are judges directed to score it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss Texas Volunteer to Award a $20,000 scholarship to its Winner
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:11:44 03/16/21 Tue Will any other state pageant, MAO or Volunteer, come close to this? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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There is no pageant announced for Alabama. Will an at large girl go to nationals? (NT) -- No name, 17:56:05 03/17/21 Wed Nan was part of the original 22 and very outspoken against MAO. I wonder if she will just change her program from MAO to Volunteer and keep everything the same? (NT) -- No name, 17:59:47 03/17/21 Wed Any idea who is competing in Texas? Any MAO girls? Who do you hope will compete? (NT) -- Is there an appointed spokeswoman now?, 19:05:21 03/17/21 Wed Miss New Hampshire is winning a 20k scholarship. (NT) -- No name, 20:10:39 03/18/21 Thu

Subject: miss America Laura Kepplers year
Author: m [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:04:05 03/11/21 Thu Why weren't the contestants called in alphabetical order? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think they did the intros by region. (NT) -- No name, 09:59:09 03/12/21 Fri The way they were introduced that year was odd. For the most part they were in alphabetical order, except there were some states that were missing as they went along. But then those missing states were introduced in the last two segments. Maybe it had to do with those state representatives having their interviews or in rehearsals when the segment they should have been in was being taped. Perhaps someone from that class of representatives is on this board and knows the exact reason why it was done that way. (NT) -- No name, 15:26:34 03/12/21 Fri hope so (NT) -- k (l), 21:59:30 03/12/21 Fri It's because the segments were filmed in specific locations in Vegas and you had to be 21 to be in some of the buildings (NT) -- No name, 15:12:47 03/17/21 Wed thanks (NT) -- No name, 19:27:41 03/17/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Hawaii Competition - Saturday, May 15th
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:51:55 03/16/21 Tue Candidate photos and bios on Miss Hawaii Organization Facebook. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Many beautiful contestants. but Miss Aloha Hawaii, Katheryn Frederick, who recently graduated high school is an absolute doll. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:05 03/16/21 Tue

Subject: Upcoming Miss USA state pageants - March 20, 2021 Miss Oregon USA/Teen USA; March 21, 2021 Miss Washington USA/Washington Teen USA
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:40:28 03/16/21 Tue https://missoregonusa.com/2021-miss-oregon-contestants/ https://www.misswashingtonusa.com/2021-miss-washington-usa-contestants/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 1991 Miss Virginia Pageant: Tawnya Mullins was the 1st runner up in the pageant and the next year she was crowned Miss Kentucky. Did she attend school in Virginia? I had no idea she competed anywhere other than Kentucky.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:51:49 02/14/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did she represent Virginia in the 1991 Miss National Sweetheart pageant in Hoopeston? If so, how did she place? And was she (NT) -- a one-time Miss Virginia contestant or competed before being named state first runner-up in 1991?, 17:30:01 02/14/21 Sun If memory serves me correct, Tanya was a graduate student at Radford University (NT) -- No Name..., 14:54:09 03/16/21 Tue

Subject: Miss Crown City Volunteer, Kazi Maimuna
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:34:01 03/11/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Wowza (NT) -- No name, 22:49:07 03/11/21 Thu What state is this? She's pretty, but those crowns look a little comical. Too big for a local. (NT) -- No name, 02:39:08 03/12/21 Fri California (NT) -- No name, 14:23:08 03/12/21 Fri If Volunteer makes it thru the next few years and actually becomes a legit system, they will need to design a crown of their own. These ebay knock offs are over the type glitz types. (NT) -- No name, 07:46:15 03/12/21 Fri Yes at some point they should design their own classic crown. Different subject on Volunteer, but they also need to show integrity and transparency. I think it is a huge conflict of interest for GA to have a pageant coach be their spokesperson. She advertises her coaching services at the same time as pushing Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 11:03:21 03/12/21 Fri I don't see a lack of integrity or transparency here, as the spokespersons are not titleholders. (NT) -- it seems you're looking to find a way to disparage Vol, 16:08:16 03/12/21 Fri Just a matter of opinion. I don�t think this is any different than having a board member as a pageant coach. Still a conflict of interest. (NT) -- No name, 13:59:32 03/13/21 Sat The crown IS custom made. Absolutely is unique to the Volunteer Organization!! (NT) -- No name, 23:46:41 03/13/21 Sat I see people griping about this crown and I laugh. Nothing is uglier than a USA State crown. (NT) -- No name, 10:56:47 03/12/21 Fri USA Crowns are the best!!! The mark of beauty ... (NT) -- No name, 10:58:45 03/12/21 Fri USA crowns are a joke. Stars and gigantic football on your head. (NT) -- No name, 16:47:45 03/12/21 Fri For someone to say this crown is large is a joke. USA has been gigantic for like 30 years. (NT) -- No name, 16:48:50 03/12/21 Fri I love the USA state crowns!! I love it better than the crown at USA! And I love that it doesn�t have to sit on top of your head making it easier for different hairstyles. And nothing speaks USA/America like a crown full of stars! (NT) -- No name, 11:29:48 03/12/21 Fri Last year, we all LOVED the Volunteer crown, it was so like MAO (with one more point)...times change (NT) -- No name, 11:14:29 03/12/21 Fri I love the Volunteer crown. (NT) -- No name, 14:24:32 03/12/21 Fri It would be ironic for a woman to earn or be given that title and not get a crown. Was she an appointed or actual contest winner? It looks to (NT) -- closely like MAO crowns...be it a local or state version. Volunteer needs their own design., 16:25:54 03/12/21 Fri They have their own design. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:36 03/12/21 Fri Some states are crowning locals with appointed titles and others are not. Some other systems are the same. USA does not (appointed local) USOA does (appointed local). Who cares? (NT) -- No name, 18:33:29 03/12/21 Fri This doesn�t look like the same local crown they are using in Tennessee (NT) -- No name, 00:23:57 03/14/21 Sun Nothing will ever come close to the elegance and beauty of the ORIGINAL YAMRON CROWN!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 21:32:08 03/12/21 Fri Can someone post a photo of the yamron crowns? Have yet to figure out the details differentiating the various crowns. (NT) -- Would love to see a collage of crowns over the years!, 00:25:36 03/13/21 Sat Lee Meriwether received the first and Vanessa Williams received the last one. Look at their pictures. (NT) -- No name, 21:04:54 03/13/21 Sat What did Sharleen get. Wasn't that before KC Concepts started doing everything? (NT) -- No Name, 22:25:36 03/13/21 Sat I don�t see the difference between yamron and the others that followed it: (NT) -- How are yamron crowns so different?, 01:19:20 03/14/21 Sun The style is a very little difference frik my understanding it was the quality that changed. I also thought the schoppy crown was a good quality too the new crowns with KA concepts not so much (NT) -- No name, 01:44:15 03/14/21 Sun If you have the 1996 program with Shawntel on the cover, turn to page 11 and you�ll see Donna Axum holding her Yamron crown. Then compare it to the one Shawntel is holding on the cover. (NT) -- No name, 21:19:08 03/15/21 Mon

Subject: I've been watching some of the pageants from the 70s and it amazes me how much ENTERTAINMENT they were able to pack into two hours. Granted we can do without the corny production numbers, but it just shows how far we've detoured from the "specialness" of the Miss America telecast.. I used to love how they zoomed in on the former Miss America towards the beginning when she took her first runway walk and Bert Parks sung "Look at Her". I was always anxious to see how she changed from the year prior. We always knew the format would be the same. A top ten would be chosen and they would compete in all three categories without unnecessary elimination rounds. The contestants in their modest swimsuits was always tastefully done. And then the reigning Miss America got her final runway walk with a fitting farewell to her year. When they announced the non-finalist talent winners, if my state hadn't made top 10, I was always hopeful she would win one of those awards.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:44:11 03/14/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Continued: In 1977 when Susan Perkins won, I had no problem with her win, but I thought a couple others in that top 5 were questionable. When it got down to the final six, I thought for sure that Lori Smith had won. She had a decent talent, looked good in swimsuit, her gown was stunning, and she was frreakin' gorgeous. How she didn't at least make top 5 is beyond me. Would love to hear of other favorite memories when Miss America was still a pageant or of a contestant that you felt should have placed higher than what she did. (NT) -- No name, 03:57:37 03/14/21 Sun 3 of the 5 were prelim winners and Frank deford said Barbara mougin had the best interview that year. (NT) -- No name, 00:25:45 03/15/21 Mon However, Mougin barely made it into the ten. I read there was a tie between her (IN) and Bunny Holbert (AR) that year for 10th place after the preliminaries. Holbert had won a swimsuit preliminary but Mougin got in because of her interview and then on final night, made it all the way to 1st runner up. On a side note, I saw on a news magazine years later that Holbert's life did not go all that well. She had a lot of personal issues and at one point was living in a homeless shelter. She passed away a few years ago. She was quite beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 01:07:17 03/15/21 Mon Mougin should thank her lucky stars she got that high (if u ask me). I didn't like her hair, gown was nondescript, and talent was amateurish. (NT) -- No name, 14:19:57 03/15/21 Mon It kind of makes you wonder if Holbert's life would have gone in a different direction had she placed higher. (NT) -- No name, 15:29:12 03/15/21 Mon

Subject: New England
Author: Anonymous (Wondering) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:15:38 03/15/21 Mon Anyone hear anything about the New England states? Who do you think will win in them? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Hoping for Jana El-Sayed in New Hampshire (NT) -- No name, 12:39:06 03/15/21 Mon MA still has 3 locals to crown before the state pageant but they already have 4 returning Mass OTs competing (NT) -- No name, 13:26:22 03/15/21 Mon

Subject: Next USA pageants in March
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:36:59 03/06/21 Sat March 12-13, 2021 Miss Mississippi USA/Mississippi Teen USA Miss Tennessee USA/Tennessee Teen USA March 20, 2021 Miss Oregon USA/Oregon Teen USA March 21, 2021 Miss Washington USA/Washington Teen USA [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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http://www.missmississippiusa.com/msusa2021/ (NT) -- No name, 11:27:54 03/06/21 Sat The blondes are gorgeous (NT) -- No name, 11:34:20 03/06/21 Sat Winner - Bailey Anderson, 1RU - Hannah Perrigin, 2RU- KT Scannell, 3RU- Kerrie Blakeney, 4RU- Anne Elizabeth Buys (NT) -- No name, 03:00:50 03/14/21 Sun https://missoregonusa.com/2021-miss-oregon-contestants/ (NT) -- No name, 11:35:57 03/06/21 Sat https://www.misswashingtonusa.com/2021-miss-washington-usa-contestants/ (NT) -- No name, 11:38:23 03/06/21 Sat Are there any states (or D.C.) that do not have both state pageants together on the same day/weekend? (NT) -- What year began the tradition (for majority of states) to have both at the same time?, 14:16:56 03/06/21 Sat I thing OR/WA joined due to cost savings, they are run by the same company. Quite a few pageants that are run by same orgs do the same thing (MHSA, IJM, NAM, USOA) (NT) -- No name, 19:33:00 03/07/21 Sun North Carolina and South Carolina were held together this weekend. North and South Dakota being held together. I imagine this trend will continue beyond COVID as the cost of productions is high and it fiscally makes sense. (NT) -- No name, 10:08:35 03/08/21 Mon I think MO pageants are held on different days. (NT) -- No name, 20:57:23 03/11/21 Thu Who is judging this weekend's pageants? (NT) -- No name, 13:34:33 03/12/21 Fri Can't find the answer, but noticed both are being held at Horseshoe in Tunica. Fun place! (NT) -- No name, 14:26:40 03/12/21 Fri Miss TN Teen USA Top 15 (NT) -- No name, 15:45:33 03/13/21 Sat Miss Tennessee Teen USA 2021 - Annie Zhao (NT) -- No name, 17:33:42 03/13/21 Sat (NT) -- No name, 18:04:24 03/13/21 Sat TN Teen USA Top 5 (NT) -- No name, 18:06:35 03/13/21 Sat TN Teen USA winner has a beautifully shaped face. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:05 03/13/21 Sat Miss TN USA Top 15 (NT) -- No name, 18:01:27 03/13/21 Sat Elizabeth Graham, Miss Tennessee USA (NT) -- No name, 21:25:39 03/13/21 Sat Congratulations (NT) -- No name, 21:29:17 03/13/21 Sat Elizabeth Graham Pistole @elizabeth_graham (NT) -- No name, 22:24:45 03/13/21 Sat What a stunner! Looks like a Miss USA to me. (NT) -- No name, 04:02:46 03/14/21 Sun How did the former Miss TN MAO do? (NT) -- No name, 11:20:27 03/14/21 Sun 2nd runner up (NT) -- No name, 13:51:55 03/14/21 Sun Miss MS Teen USA Top 15 (NT) -- No name, 21:33:36 03/13/21 Sat Miss MS Teen USA Top 5 (NT) -- No name, 21:39:15 03/13/21 Sat Personally I'm more impressed with the Teen Tennessee's looks than the Miss. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:45 03/14/21 Sun No, the Miss is very pretty in person and well-spoken. She comes across as genuine and smart. Teen is very programmed. (NT) -- That is the observation from the pageant., 14:35:57 03/14/21 Sun (NT) -- No name, 21:37:45 03/14/21 Sun

Subject: Obituary for Catherine Wright, long time Miss America fan
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:08:11 02/04/21 Thu https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/pressofatlanticcity/name/catherine-wright-obituary?pid=197644162 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What an odd obituary. It fails to say when longtime Miss America fan Christine Evelyn Wright died in New Jersey this year? -- Turns out she died on Jan. 31, 2021, four days after she turned 94., 15:28:47 03/14/21 Sun The person above should said Catherine Wright (not Christine Wright) but there is no date of death. Bizarre. Anyone here remember this New Jersey lady? (NT) -- Speaking of obituaries, are other recent pageant deaths to take note of??, 20:50:39 03/14/21 Sun

Subject: Thank you PageantsHayDay for putting on YT two new Dream Girl USA tapes.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:08:25 03/08/21 Mon The one I just watched was very entertaining. It had Sherry Thrift (first runner-up to Miss America), Barbara Crandal former Miss Michigan who was a non-finalist Talent winner at Miss America (1984), Ronda Gerardot from Ohio (don't know her),and Susan Cantalupo-who competed in Connecticut in 1985. Funny when Thrift came out they said she was 5'2.(eye roll). I love this old stuff from the 80s. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That Susan Cantalupo is really pretty, plus a very good dancer. (NT) -- No name, 12:41:58 03/09/21 Tue She is. How did she do in the state pageant? (NT) -- No name, 19:52:52 03/10/21 Wed She is one of the Miss CT pageants on that YT channel. She represented NC, did she ever compete there? She got low marks not he semi-finals round. Dana, Desiree, and Kristin- all former MA state titleholders and top 10 finishers. (NT) -- No name, 13:42:41 03/14/21 Sun

Subject: Just curious-----Why is it that posts critical of certain sash states or their organizations are immediately, while other posts critical of non-sash states remain here indefinitely? I thought this was supposed to be a fair and impartial discussion of all things MAO
Author: Jolene [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:22:38 03/12/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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sorry----should read "immediately deleted" (NT) -- Jolene, 12:28:21 03/12/21 Fri Nothing about CA ever stays on this board because someone always has to say something negative! People can�t just seem to scroll on by and list their own contestants they think might win, they have to bash the girls. So unnecessary, Deleted!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 12:42:57 03/12/21 Fri You shoukd have been here in 2019, God forbid anyone say anything bad about Miss Oregon (NT) -- No name, 15:46:52 03/12/21 Fri Or Miss Minnesota. (NT) -- No name, 22:29:20 03/12/21 Fri We have a new moderator, who is doing an excellent job. Have not noticed any deletions. (NT) -- No name, 22:50:11 03/12/21 Fri post something negative about kay alexander or the miss ok organization and see how fast it gets deleted! (NT) -- former miss o participant, 23:49:36 03/12/21 Fri Only in your mind, dear (NT) -- No name, 08:00:03 03/13/21 Sat I think the moderation has improved 100% from the past. And the posts are better quality too. However many moderators this page has had, it seems better right now than when I started reading it in 14/15. (NT) -- No name, 22:18:20 03/13/21 Sat

Subject: Who won Miss Tennessee USA?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:42:55 03/13/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Elizabeth Graham (NT) -- No name, 21:49:47 03/13/21 Sat

Subject: Best of luck to Christine Williamson as she competes in Miss TN USA on March 12-13.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:04:52 03/05/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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LOVE her! Best of luck! (NT) -- No name, 20:27:32 03/05/21 Fri She will be the winner! This franchise always uses MAO judges and in each state former MAO girls always win. (NT) -- No name, 12:47:22 03/06/21 Sat She's beautiful, but has no spark. Just not interesting. (NT) -- prelims were very sloooow, 14:31:09 03/13/21 Sat Is Christine sick she is seeming very robotic (NT) -- No name, 18:28:36 03/13/21 Sat Anne Elizabeth Buys is competing at Miss MS USA the same weekend. (NT) -- No name, 00:31:49 03/07/21 Sun Same people running it. Look for Buys to take MS. MAO judges crown MAO girls. (NT) -- No name, 10:53:15 03/07/21 Sun Buys needs to fix the make up and hair. During her year as Miss Mississippi it was awful! USA does not like that look! (NT) -- No name, 14:35:01 03/07/21 Sun OMG-I loved Ann Elizabeth at Miss America but she was TOO skinny. Hope she has put on some weight. (NT) -- No name, 11:43:05 03/07/21 Sun Williamson is way to plastic even for USA and Buys needs to tone down the look. There are better competing. Do not see either winning. (NT) -- No name, 15:10:37 03/07/21 Sun Buys won�t win with her hair and makeup being the disaster it is. If she r we would get some help with both she could win. Very good interview. She is beautiful but has taken horrible advice on hair and makeup. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:02 03/07/21 Sun She looks the same, even wardrobe but she's hot. I expect her to make top five but Lowndes or Starkville are my choices to win. (NT) -- No name, 20:05:38 03/13/21 Sat Who won Teen? (NT) -- No name, 14:48:31 03/13/21 Sat

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:31:23 03/12/21 Fri Introducing Olivia Matas, Miss Orange County Volunteer 2021! A graduate from @materdeimonarchs and a National Honor Society honoree, Olivia is dedicated to promoting her platform of Elder Advocacy through @agelessallianceunited and her own initiatives. She is the founder of @aging_advocacy and dedicated to serving elder communities in Orange County and beyond. She aspires to become a Licensed Social Worker with an emphasis in Geriatrics. She will be sharing a vocal performance on the Miss California Volunteer stage this summer and looks forward to representing Orange County. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Another beauty from CA (NT) -- No name, 23:00:10 03/12/21 Fri

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:33:10 03/12/21 Fri Introducing Claire Rose Vincenzi, Miss San Francisco Volunteer 2021! Claire Rose is a 2019 Graduate of the University of California, Santa Cruz where she obtained a Bachelor�s Degree in Cognitive Science with a minor in Theater Arts. While at @ucsc she was a member of @ucscequestrian and the school�s @kappakappagamma Chapter. She is passionate about using Equine Assisted Therapy to improve the lives of those with physical and mental disabilities and hopes to one day earn her PhD in Industrial-Organizational Psychology. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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beautiful (NT) -- No name, 22:55:50 03/12/21 Fri

Subject: Indiana class complete
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:02:43 03/07/21 Sun Miss Limberlost - Lindsey Brown/tap (New) 2018 MIOT 4ru and Prelim Talent Miss Northeast - Alyssa Hochstetler/piano (New) 2015 MIOT 3ru Miss Harvest Homecoming - Elizabeth Hallel/vocal (New) Miss Auburn Cord Duesenburg - Victoria Ruble/vocal 2018,2019 Miss South Central - Megan Riehle/vocal (New to Indiana. 2019 Ohio) Miss Kiwanis Balloon Fest - Lily Padgett/acrobatic dance & sign (New) Miss Duneland - Emma Schneider/dance 2019 Miss South Bend - Hannah Stombaugh/Opera (New) Miss Great Lakes - Libbey Detcher/Scripture Recitation (New) Miss Southern Heartland - Ellie Barmes/vocal (New), 2017 MIOT and top 15 at MAOT Miss Hoosier Heartland - Kaylee Arthur/ukelele vocal 2018 Prelim SS Miss Cardinal - Samantha Shank/piano 2019 Top 10 Miss Three Rivers Festival - Kaitlyn Bestul/tap (New) Miss Central Indiana - Alias Tschour/vocal 2019 Top 10 Miss Metropolitan - Kaitlyn Schleis/baton 2017 T10/prelim talent, 2018, 2019 4th RU/prelim talent Miss Capital City - Olivia Broadwater/vocal (New) 2019 MIOT 1ru Miss Northwest Territory - Abigail Walker/vocal (New) Miss Ohio Valley - Priscilla Olson/dance (New) Miss Purdue University - Amanda Coy/baton (New) 2019 Michigan T12 Miss Fort Wayne - Cydney Bridges/vocal (New) Miss Indiana State University - Olivia Dillion/tap 2018, 2019 Miss Banks of the Wabash - Teyler Siples/vocal 2019 1ru Miss Crossroads to America - Diamond Coleman/vocal (New) Miss White River - Madeline May/piano 2017 Miss Ball State University - Anastasia Sharp-Keller/vocal 2018, 2019 Miss Collegiate Indy - Hallie Wright/science experiment (New) Miss Collegiate North - Samantha Robbins/tap 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 Miss Elkhart - Hannah Mischler/monologue (New) Miss Kosciusko - Jullianna Niebba/sign language (New) Miss Indiana University - Alexandria Ford/TED talk monologue (New) Miss Spirit of Indiana � Nina Harshman/flute (New) Miss Heart of Midwest - Cierra Evans/dance (New) Miss Collegiate South - Meadow Ryann/guitar vocal 2018 and 2019 Miss Heart of Indiana - Emily Axsom/vocal (New) Miss Wabash Valley - Julia Magill/dance (New but unknown Miss NJ history) Miss Hoosier Valley - Carley Myers/monologue (New) Miss East Central � Claire Nieschalla/piano vocal (New) Miss West Central � Braxton Hiser/vocal, 2018 and 2019 3ru Miss North Central � Dyna Martinez/vocal, 2017, 2018 4th ru, 2019 prelim evening gown TEEN: Miss Limberlost's Outstanding Teen -Natalie Bailey/dance (New) Miss Northern Lakes' Outstanding Teen -Madison Grawcock/dance (New) Miss Northeast's Outstanding Teen - Ellise Edwards/dance 2017 4ru, 2018 1ru, 2019 2ru Miss Harvest Homecoming's Outstanding Teen - Lexie Stites/dance 2019 T10 and Prelim Interview Miss South Central's Outstanding Teen - AnnaBella Brown/vocal 2018 2019 Miss Kiwanis Balloon Fest's Outstanding Teen - Isabella Lange/dance 2019 Miss Fall Festival's Outstanding Teen - Presley Beck/vocal (New) Miss Duneland's Outstanding Teen - Emily Eshbach 2018, 2019 Miss Great Lakes' Outstanding Teen - Alyssa McClendon/dance 2019 Miss South Bend's Outstanding Teen - Jordyn Leininger/vocal 2018, 2019 T10 Miss Southern Heartland's Outstanding Teen - Ariana Patricio/dance 2019 Active Wear prelim Miss Cardinal's Outstanding Teen - Kat Nagler/dance 2019 NF Talent Miss Hoosier Heartland's Outstanding Teen - Shaylee Barnes/vocal 2018,2019 Miss Three Rivers Festival's Outstanding Teen - Katelyn Joseph/dance 2019 Miss Central Indiana's Outstanding Teen - Kalyn Patterson/vocal (New) Miss Metropolitan's Outstanding Teen - Kate Demmitt/vocal (New) Miss Capital City's Outstanding Teen -Ali Kokesh/sign language (New) Miss Ohio Valley's Outstanding Teen - Emilee Hall/vocal (New) Miss Northwest Territory's Outstanding Teen - Alexandra Baker/dance 2019 Miss Fort Wayne's Outstanding Teen - KK Kokonaing/piano vocal 2019 Miss Banks of the Wabash's Outstanding Teen - Lydia Schmidt/vocal (New) Miss Crossroads to America's Outstanding Teen -Ella Francis/dance (New) Miss White River's Outstanding Teen - Jaelyn Grumieaux/vocal 2019 T10 Miss Collegiate North's Outstanding Teen - Aryanna Swopshire/vocal (New) Miss Elkhart's Outstanding Teen - Seanna Winner/vocal 2019 MIOT 3ru Miss Kosciusko's Outstanding Teen - Chloe Bollinger/dance (New) Miss Spirit of Indiana's Outstanding Teen - Sophia Ruble/vocal (New) Miss Collegiate South's Outstanding Teen - Hannah Colin/dance (New) Miss Heart of Indiana's Outstanding Teen - Darby Johnson/clogging (New) Miss Wabash Valley's Outstanding Teen - Ella Doddridge/dance 2019 Miss East Central�s Outstanding Teen � Molly Greer/vocal 2019 Miss North Central�s Outstanding Teen � Amarra Nester/taekwondo 2019 Miss West Central�s Outstanding Teen � Keegan Conner/vocal (NEW) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Congrats & enjoy your title year! (NT) -- No name, 21:27:18 03/07/21 Sun Awesome job with the locals, 39 of them! That's impressive. Congratulations. (NT) -- No name, 18:27:50 03/09/21 Tue Great show, Miss IN Org! (NT) -- No name, 02:04:00 03/10/21 Wed So impressed with Ellie Barmes (NT) -- No name, 20:55:06 03/11/21 Thu She reminds me of a younger version of Laura Kaeppeler (NT) -- No name, 21:00:31 03/11/21 Thu Love that most of 2019 Top 5 are returning (NT) -- No name, 21:32:37 03/11/21 Thu I posted incorrectly. Braxton was 2ru. 3ru Paige Harder was the only non returning top 5 from 2019 (NT) -- No name, 21:52:35 03/11/21 Thu Thanks (NT) -- No name, 22:25:35 03/11/21 Thu When is the state pageant and where exactly? (NT) -- ., 14:25:37 03/12/21 Fri June 16-19th in Zionsville, IN (NT) -- No name, 16:39:58 03/12/21 Fri

Subject: Indiana crowns the last 3 Miss and last 3 Teens today. Then class will be complete.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:43:14 03/07/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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...and what are those three final local-regional or open state pageants and now that its March 11th, who won the titles (NT) -- to get the chance to compete for Miss Indiana this summer?, 15:34:33 03/11/21 Thu The entire list is posted on this forum. (NT) -- No name, 16:30:48 03/11/21 Thu Thank you (NT) -- No name, 20:24:54 03/11/21 Thu Yeah, we all see that listing of local and state open winners in Indiana.....but do you see the dates listed there to know which of those women are the ones mentioned (three) with this posting?? (NT) -- Only titles, names and their past experience told here: http://www.voy.com/229344/2763.html#post, 15:31:07 03/12/21 Fri They are posted in crowning order. Have a good day. (NT) -- No name, 16:38:35 03/12/21 Fri

Subject: This 'Miss Congeniality' Used Pageant Winnings to Fund Her Business

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With $500 Courtney Newell launched Crowned Marketing and Communications. Now she advises big brands on inclusive messaging.

https://www.inc.com/christine-lagorio/courtney-newell-crowned-marketing-what-i-know-podcast.html

https://www.taketheleadwomen.com/blog/a-force-together-founder-ceo-shares-tips-for-working-with-millennials-gen-z

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Subject: SPRINGTIME PAGEANT QUOTATIONS
Author: Happy March!! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:41:21 03/10/21 Wed A. Good evening, I'm 21 years old & a senior at the University of ______________. At different times of my life I have devoted myself to music, art, or the performing arts. But now I realize I am most happy when combining all three creative arts. B. I'm a 25 year old graduate of the University of ____________ School of Music -- and I've learned that man is unique because he's blessed with the gift of laughter and tears. I thank God for those character-building hardships that bring the tears and I thank Him for the laughter that makes those tears worthwhile. C. Good evening, Ladies & Gentlemen. I'm a 20 year old senior elementary education major. A wise gentleman once said, "Though we travel the world over to find beauty, unless we carry it with us, we will find it naught." Thank you, Americans, for being very beautiful people. D. Abused children: I would try to set up more facilities to help them. I think their main problems are psychological. They've gone through so much abuse they don't know kindness & they don't know how to handle kindness. So I'd try to set up more programs to help them if I had the facilities. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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D is Miss Louisiana 1988. (NT) -- No name, 13:51:10 03/10/21 Wed Right-o! (NT) -- No name, 14:03:04 03/10/21 Wed Is C Laurie Saarinan, Miss Minnesota 1982? (NT) -- No name, 17:38:21 03/10/21 Wed Nope, sorry. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:02 03/10/21 Wed Rethinking that guess. I'm almost positive C is Judy Mallet, Miss Texas 1973; (NT) -- No name, 17:53:19 03/10/21 Wed Very good! (NT) -- No name, 18:08:47 03/10/21 Wed Is A Miss Oklahoma 1974? (NT) -- No name, 20:02:05 03/10/21 Wed B is Darlene Compton, Miss KY 1974 (NT) -- No name, 20:32:54 03/10/21 Wed Yes! (NT) -- No name, 22:10:44 03/10/21 Wed Glad to see your quotations again! (NT) -- No name, 21:23:31 03/10/21 Wed Thanks! (NT) -- No name, 22:11:23 03/10/21 Wed Is A Jean Ahern, Miss IL 1974? (NT) -- No name, 21:55:28 03/10/21 Wed Yep! (NT) -- No name, 22:12:03 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: I totally agree about speaking kindly of all the contestants. What I won�t do is stop speaking out against the Miss America Organization. Over the last three years, those associated with MAO leadership have hijacked the organization, completely changed it to something unrecognizable, used bullying and fear tactics to keep women silent, and as of this week started using Spyware to prevent EDs from forwarding info on to others. MAO continues to operate out of fear and control tactics. The only thing MAO has taught young women over the last three years is how NOT to lead.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:22:18 03/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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^^^^^^ This Best of luck to all the young women (MAO & MVA) (NT) -- No name, 17:44:31 03/06/21 Sat Agree with you! (NT) -- No name, 18:07:27 03/06/21 Sat AMEN!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:35:18 03/06/21 Sat If you're criticizing Miss America because you're mad it's changed that's one thing. But if you're associated with another organization and you're criticizing it to make your new organization look better - that's wrong. Be proud enough to brag on your new organization. Period. Criticizing another one only makes yours look bad. This may or may not pertain to anyone. But if it does, they are wise words. (NT) -- No name, 21:40:50 03/06/21 Sat What about just telling the TRUTH?!! And that�s exactly what MAO doesn�t do. They operate with fear tactics. That shouldn�t happen in an organization that�s supposed to promote young women. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:33 03/06/21 Sat Please STOP! You made your peace. Now each girl experiences their own personal level of growth in MAO. If they choose to leave then they can. But if a girl chooses to stay then please refrain for bashing what many girls have already accomplish with scholarships, awards, growth, community services etc. After all there are always two sides to a story. (NT) -- No name, 01:48:03 03/07/21 Sun I would never judge a girl who chooses to compete for whatever reason!! I applaud all young women who follow their hopes and dreams. My issue is with the leadership that has been in charge since the takeover and their constant lack of transparency, truthfulness, fear tactics and poor decision making. People want to believe that MAO is still the same when it definitely is not. (NT) -- No name, 15:15:54 03/07/21 Sun And it's not your job to tell them. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:46 03/07/21 Sun I disagree. I do believe it is our place to make sure all young women are informed about what the leadership of MAO has done over the past three years. If girls are informed and still choose to compete, then that is their right. It isn�t okay for people to think that today�s MAO is the same �Miss America� of the pst because it isn�t. (NT) -- No name, 16:42:49 03/07/21 Sun Shantel has filed 2 lawsuits against Donna Bozarth and the old MAOTeen Board. Did it really have to go this route? (NT) -- No name, 18:45:20 03/07/21 Sun Exactly! And the new scare tactics and she is constantly bad mouthing Volunteer and doing everything she can to discredit them on the ED calls. I am over it and how unprofessional she is. (NT) -- No name, 19:38:30 03/07/21 Sun I have been on several calls with Shantel and I have never once heard her say anything negative about Volunteer. Where are you getting your info? Just coming on here and saying it doesn't make it true. In my state we are encouraging girls to compete in both systems. (NT) -- No name, 13:12:42 03/11/21 Thu Agree. NEVER heard her say anything negative. People, please realize that anyone can say anything and it doesn't mean it's true. (NT) -- No name, 16:26:13 03/11/21 Thu

Subject: MA vhs tapes to be given away, or maybe we can exchange offerings. I have 28 yrs of shows taped. My relative doesn't want to throw them away. There is more of MTUSA, MU. but they want to keep them for now. Any offer will be considered; esp. postage. No money wanted. It is about 13 pounds postage; probably more. Is it worth it, to someone?
Author: Let's discuss. e-mail: pxmissionhs@gmail.com.First come, etc! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:07:24 03/08/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The years, are: 1984, '86, '87, '89, 1991, '92, '94 through '99; 2000, '01, '02, '04, '06, 'through '09; 2019, '11, through '15. (NT) -- So. California, 19:14:28 03/08/21 Mon Just emailed you. (NT) -- I already have ideas what to send you (in addition to postage), 20:00:01 03/08/21 Mon Are those the title years for the Miss America winners crowned or the year in which the national contest was held? Example.....Vanessa Williams was named Miss America of 1984 in 1983......so was 1984 the tape of Vanessa (NT) -- or the year that Miss Utah, Sharlene Wells was named Miss America 1985?, 15:36:56 03/11/21 Thu The tapes are spoken for; sorry. Unless they change their mind, it will be mailed over the next couple of days. (NT) -- They are labeled according to their title. If contest held in Sept. 1999, then MA 2000, 16:09:27 03/11/21 Thu

Subject: Was Rammy Walker on Dreamgirls USA before or after Miss America?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:55:35 03/09/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Tammy not Rammy. (NT) -- d..., 11:26:11 03/09/21 Tue d...I don't think Tammy Walker was on Dreamgirl USA though if she was, it would have been after Miss Maryland. I was around the Miss MD organization while she was competing. She was a college student at Towson State and was the 1st runner up to Miss MD the year before she competed. (NT) -- .,., 19:11:58 03/09/21 Tue She competed in Dreamgirl before her Miss Maryland win per the dates on the videos. First runner up to Miss MD in 1986? or what? (NT) -- No name, 19:58:34 03/09/21 Tue What did she sing the first time she competed? (NT) -- d..., 03:21:37 03/10/21 Wed She was first runner up to Katrina Owens in 1986 when she was 19 and won Miss MD the next year when she was only 20. (NT) -- No name, 00:25:57 03/10/21 Wed Even I -- a diehard pageant enthusiast -- am not going to scan through the four hours of Dreamgirls USA Rounds 1-3 to find an encore performance by Tammy Walker. If anyone stumbles upon it, please post what she sang. (NT) -- No name, 09:24:58 03/10/21 Wed She's at 1:06 in Round 4. She covers "The Greatest Love of All" -- Mary-Ann Farrell performs next. Dreamgirls USA broadcast September 1986 - March 1987 so Tammy was selected to appear before her top 10 finish at Miss America as Miss Maryland. (NT) -- No name, 10:01:35 03/10/21 Wed I meant her first time ain't Miss Maryland. (NT) -- d..., 11:24:32 03/10/21 Wed At not ain't. (NT) -- d..., 12:07:30 03/10/21 Wed She did two performances? (NT) -- d..., 11:23:22 03/11/21 Thu

Subject: Class of 2019 updates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:58:15 03/07/21 Sun Of the state winners who competed at Mohegan Sun: 1) Who already gave up their title? 2) Who kept it, but is back to school or work? 3) Who continued on full time for a second year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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DC is continuing her second year (NT) -- E, 18:00:40 03/07/21 Sun Oregon held on, even gave up a chance to be on The Bachelor! (NT) -- No name, 19:28:32 03/07/21 Sun A chance to be debased on The Bachelor. WOW...reach for the stars! (NT) -- No name, 13:29:50 03/09/21 Tue Imagine being on a reality show that America actually watches. (NT) -- No name, 19:19:57 03/09/21 Tue Arizona gave up her title. (NT) -- No name, 19:19:02 03/07/21 Sun Wisconsin kept her title, but is back to work as a special education teacher. (NT) -- No name, 21:12:02 03/07/21 Sun Texas- kept the title and continued to reprsent the Texas org. (NT) -- No name, 07:51:03 03/08/21 Mon Were the ones who left replaced? (NT) -- No name, 11:35:42 03/09/21 Tue Arizona was nor replaced. (NT) -- No name, 12:04:16 03/10/21 Wed NE: Married. Wasn't replaced. Not really being Miss Nebraska but still recruiting and representing the program. (NT) -- No name, 18:24:44 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: I know this has been asked before, but no one was able to give a decent answer. What is Gretchen's / Regina's / Shantel's reasoning for having the Miss contestants only refer to themselves by the state they're from -- and not Miss . . . . Obviously, many of the girls did not approve of this and still introduced themselves as Miss .... But the inconsistency was quite noticeable, as the emcees only referrred to them by their state. If this is what they want, then realistically Miss America should be referred to as "America." The whole thing is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned; if they ever gave a reasoning for this, I missed it..
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:38:46 03/07/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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it is not about the state winners it is about them ( Gretchen and mallory and Regina and their cronies (NT) -- k, 01:40:48 03/08/21 Mon "Miss State" is pageanty. We are no longer a pageant. I would not have been surprised if the 2020 sashes omitted "Miss". With Shantel in charge, we may keep Miss and the crown. (NT) -- No name, 09:32:19 03/08/21 Mon Not sure where you are but we still and have always still used Miss (NT) -- No name, 09:52:01 03/08/21 Mon Everyone still has Miss sashes and introduce themselves as Miss so and so. Look Regina is gone, most of the traditions, with exception of SS are back.. (NT) -- No name, 10:48:56 03/08/21 Mon TedTalks are still around (NT) -- No name, 13:07:26 03/08/21 Mon The TedTalks need to go away. (NT) -- No name, 13:26:02 03/08/21 Mon I like them. Nothing wrong with a 1 minute presentation of platform and accomplishments (NT) -- No name, 13:46:44 03/08/21 Mon I agree! Ted talks need to go..needs to be eliminated! It�s boring to the general public and unfortunately the are very robot and heavy scripted and rehearsed (NT) -- No name, 14:07:39 03/08/21 Mon The problem with the Ted Talks is this: It gets to be overkill when you have to listen to 25 Ted Talks on one night if they continue to have only two nights of preliminary competiton. It wouldn't be quite so back if they went back to three nights of preliminary competiton and had 17 talks each night, but that is still a bit much. It seems like a very rehearsed, scripted phase of competiton. They should be eliminated all together and instead a top five should be announced on finals night and they should go through a round table informal interview competiton. This is the best way to see who can think on their feet on topics that aren't necessarily related to their social impact. (NT) -- No name, 14:58:20 03/08/21 Mon Everything should be changed to the way it was before platforms, TedTalks, and other boring, nonsensical discussions. (NT) -- No name, 18:48:29 03/08/21 Mon They can break up the competitions within the night as well. 20 competitors, 6-7 girls together 3 times within the night. (NT) -- This is why I always pregame pageants & carry a flask as well., 20:04:27 03/08/21 Mon Most of the traditons are back?? Seriously? Last year we only saw five talents. The reigning Miss America got neither a decent introduction or final walk. How about having her perform, being that talent counts so much. There was no evening gown competiton; the girls were lying on the ground in their gowns. The whole fiasco with anouncing a top 15 and going down to 7 with no phase of competiton has never been a tradition. And yes, there was inconsistency between the contestants announcing themselves as Miss State and the emcees and judges referring to them only by their state. If many of the traditions are coming back, why can't they announce the format of the next national competition. They've had over a year to go back and make it RIGHT, but just like everything else, it's a big secret. (NT) -- No name, 14:43:54 03/08/21 Mon Umm, you do realize we had no competition last year and you are talking about Regina's Miss America. Watch the states this year. (NT) -- No name, 15:12:37 03/08/21 Mon Actually the state pageants are doing the same format they did in 2019 it wasn�t till the national pageant that someone who was in charge had a brilliant idea to change everything at the last minute that�s why you got to get rid of this leader ship because there a brilliant ideas are ruining the organization (NT) -- No name, 15:44:03 03/08/21 Mon I will watch the states because fortunately they still understand that their program should also be a PRODUCTION where you actually have entertainment dispersed throughout the entire competiton. They have no desire to be a reality show with unnecessary elimination rounds and gimmicks to try to appeal to an audience that will never care about them in the first place. The Miss America Competiton should be a blueprint for the way the state and local competitons also are staged ( which was the way it was for years and years). And yet when we got to Miss America at the end of 2019 they created a program that was so unrecognizable from anything that any state or local would ever want to emulate. The national organziation needs to spell out their format now so that the locals and states leading up to Miss America know exactly what to expect. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:38 03/08/21 Mon Probably to be inclusive, isn�t there a gender queer local candidate in one of the states this year? (NT) -- No name, 17:40:03 03/08/21 Mon The Ted Talks are garbage. They�re done by people who have real life experience and people the age of these contestants have none. Their real adversity was not having Internet access for 1 hour one day or they�re selling a fake story just like their platform- there I saiid it. Just stop trying to make the girls a CEO at 20 years old. It makes us look stupid. (NT) -- No name, 19:02:41 03/08/21 Mon I don�t care for the TedTalks either here�s why...the �real� TedTalks are orchestrated and usually themed by event. The speakers must submit their TedTalks and then are invited or not. This way talks that are not well done, not well thought out or not presented well will not make the cut. At MAO all of the TedTalks are viewed and even ones that make the cut are not that great and some can be down right boring. This is just not exciting, it doesn�t make me say oh wow I can�t wait to tune in and listen to their TedTalks. (NT) -- No name, 15:16:43 03/09/21 Tue It�s like saying my favorite part to watch is onstage question. Said no one ever. (NT) -- No name, 09:02:01 03/10/21 Wed We concentrate more on the state competitions, especially since the national competition is not what we enjoy. (Not speaking for everyone, of course, but perhaps the majority of us.) (NT) -- No name, 02:10:20 03/10/21 Wed I believe the states are doing the TedTalks is that not the case? (NT) -- No name, 14:58:39 03/10/21 Wed We need to hear about the candidates' platforms, but not to the degree of a Ted Talk. That should be the judges' job during the personal interview. My thought is that they rename the onstage interview segment to onstage social impact question. There would be a question during preliminaries and then a different one if they make top ten. Prior to a judge asking the question, a video should be played showcasing the work the candidate has already done with their social impact. This would be similar to what they did last year when the top seven were called out. It was the only worthwhile segment of the whole competition. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:11 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: Annalisa Sega - Miss America 2021 Allman Scholarship Winner
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:50:10 03/08/21 Mon To wrap up #InternationalWomensDay, we�d like to congratulate Annalisa Sega for being awarded the Miss America 2021 Allman Scholarship! Annalisa is a former Miss Connecticut�s Outstanding Teen local titleholder, and we are so proud of everything she continues to accomplish! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Congratulations (NT) -- No name, 22:52:03 03/08/21 Mon What year did she compete for CTOT and how did she do? (NT) -- No name, 23:02:05 03/08/21 Mon She was, at least 2nd ru in 2011. Not sure about before or after (NT) -- No name, 00:56:32 03/09/21 Tue She is genuine and kind. So happy for her and this continued opportunity to win scholarship!! Congrats! (NT) -- No name, 09:16:42 03/09/21 Tue What is the amount of the scholarship? (NT) -- No name, 11:30:03 03/09/21 Tue $5,000 (NT) -- No name, 02:07:17 03/10/21 Wed Guidestar shows that the expenses for giving this scholarship were $6947 with a revenue of $0 (NT) -- No name, 13:10:33 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: Our beautiful Miss NC, Alexandra Badgett
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:42:07 03/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Does she have a career started? (NT) -- No name, 21:21:44 03/06/21 Sat That is a good photo of her. Very natural and relaxed. (NT) -- No name, 02:34:05 03/07/21 Sun She always has a big smile on her face (NT) -- No name, 02:16:33 03/10/21 Wed Don't know if she has a career yet, but she is a graduate of the University of South Carolina with a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration. Alex first served our state as Miss North Carolina's Outstanding Teen in 2012. (NT) -- No name, 16:41:33 03/07/21 Sun I believe she was hired by a company in Texas. Not sure what her start date is (NT) -- No name, 16:56:36 03/07/21 Sun Is she still officially Miss NC or did she relinquish the title. If she is still active, did she keep the apartment in Raleigh? (NT) -- No name, 18:39:01 03/07/21 Sun Still Miss NC. Hasn't been in the apartment for about a year. The new Miss NC won't have the apartment. The deal is gone (NT) -- No name, 19:46:03 03/07/21 Sun Why? Where did it go? (NT) -- No name, 18:46:41 03/08/21 Mon Hope she goes for USA when this reign is over. (NT) -- No name, 20:34:52 03/07/21 Sun Since she decided to stay for an extra year instead of pursuing her career, can we assume that Miss NC is a busy, full time job? (NT) -- No name, 11:32:57 03/09/21 Tue From what I understand, next year, the new Miss NC can stay in school and/or work and basically do the job on a part-time basis. Other states do this and it works out fine. (NT) -- No name, 11:59:39 03/10/21 Wed She looks like a Miss VA and VA USA from a few years ago. Beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 08:52:48 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: Miss South Carolina Candidates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:43:45 03/08/21 Mon https://www.miss-sc.org/miss-south-carolina-contestants [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Are those the current candidates? Looking at the SC website, nothing is updated at all. (NT) -- No name, 16:19:50 03/09/21 Tue Like Brooke Mills. Top 5 in New Hampshire twice (NT) -- No name, 16:55:59 03/09/21 Tue Please let this be Tori Sizemore's year. (NT) -- No name, 02:05:42 03/10/21 Wed

Subject: Is miss usa or Miss America.more fair in their choices for a top 10 at state
Author: K [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:24:00 03/08/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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USA is controlled. Well known the owners of the state program have a say (at national level too). They are privately owned, for profit, businesses (NT) -- No name, 09:26:47 03/08/21 Mon Is it still controlled since Mr. Trump is no longer involved? (NT) -- No name, 22:28:50 03/08/21 Mon yes, very (NT) -- No name, 00:57:19 03/09/21 Tue what about t 10 at nationals? Any other thoughts? (NT) -- m, 22:23:36 03/08/21 Mon I've attended our state pageant for many years and always score all the candidates during preliminaries. With a few exceptions here and there, I always am pretty spot on with who the judges select, even without the benefit of the personal interviews. So, I would say our state is very fair as far as who gets into the top ten. (NT) -- No name, 01:43:58 03/09/21 Tue What lies! I've judged Miss USA and they have one of the top auditing firms in the country. They go overboard to be fair. (NT) -- No name, 01:51:49 03/09/21 Tue Auditing has nothing to do with a "selection committee" having the owners of the pageant (at any level) weigh in (NT) -- No name, 09:50:25 03/09/21 Tue I understand and agree that, using your sole judgment (and applying standards for judging prescribed by Miss Universe from time to time), you will determine the manner and method of conducting and judging the State Pageant and of selecting the winner of the State Pageant. (more) -- No name, 10:05:45 03/09/21 Tue Having judged several state USA and MAO pageants, the USA folks do make it clear what they need but they never direct you to any particular girl, just let her be beautiful and have a great figure they are happy. I have been lucky enough to judge very fair MAO states as well. But there are always a few that do break the rules or come very close to guiding their panel to who they want. I hear it about it and I am always disappointed that the national office upon when told, never do anything about it. So it continues to happen. Ever wonder how a girl with no talent wins when talent is 35% of the score? (NT) -- Found Miss USA to be just as fair if not moreso than MAO, 10:04:12 03/09/21 Tue Talent has never mattered for Miss America. And when they toss in the Composite Score as the only thing that carries over, and then when they went to the Final Ballot, it's just a way to get the judges to pick the girl they want. You can even do total points and the judges will just low-ball the girls they don't want. It's a judged competition, so there's always a way to get who they want. I'm VA but this last year was garbage when they had 3 judges to make it look like American Idol and they didn't even score. No monitors, no keyboards, no pens, no paper. They chose the winner from prelims and they just tried to put on a show which was really bad. Big Fail. I like Camille but it looked bad if you know pageants and watched. No scoring on final night by the judges? At least fake it better than that. (NT) -- No name, 11:09:41 03/09/21 Tue I have judged about eight state MAO pageants and a few OT state pageants. They were all fair and I never saw anything that anyone would describe as wrong. The judge's orientation were always well organized and thorough. They shared about what their state winner would usually do in her year but we were never led to a certain type of girl. Every state stressed to judge each category and let the points fall where they do. That doesn't mean anyone can forget what happens in interview. We are human. But you are least have to try. (NT) -- No name, 11:10:18 03/09/21 Tue

Subject: https://youtu.be/H7iEPtLQI_U
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:17:03 03/09/21 Tue Watch "Miss America documentary on American Experience" on YouTube [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Wow. Jean Magness and David White have joined forces to lead the Miss Texas Volunteer pageant. This is huge.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:53:54 02/28/21 Sun Jean Magness and David White have both been huge forces in Texas pageantry. Both are former state EDs for the Miss America program. They are going to make the Miss Texas Volunteer pageant the hands down premier pageant in the state. They have major connections and will spoil their winner royally. Girls should RUN to this pageant this summer. It�s not even a question of which program will be superior anymore. Look for girls to start dropping their Miss Texas MAO local titles and going to compete this summer with the new Volunteer program. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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David White is a great leader and I�m glad to hear this (NT) -- No name, 18:33:49 02/28/21 Sun Of those girls who have already given up their titles, who do you switching to Volunteer? (NT) -- Did they appoint a spokesperson for the title?, 18:41:47 02/28/21 Sun This group will do everything correctly verses how Jan and Hunter have destroyed MTO (NT) -- No name, 18:54:52 02/28/21 Sun Have known them both for many years and I know they will put their hearts and souls into building a great program. It is great that the young women of Texas will have 2 options for competing!! I hope they all participate in both! (NT) -- No name, 19:08:31 02/28/21 Sun So glad to hear this. Jean Magness is a legend! (NT) -- No name, 19:37:57 02/28/21 Sun All these hopes and promises being made about Volunteer and yet nothing to show from it. (NT) -- No name, 19:40:33 02/28/21 Sun At this point why would there be something to show for it? There has been just one state pageant last year and a few locals this year. You can't make a judgment until after states and national pageant. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 22:24:16 03/01/21 Mon State competiton dates and ED are in place for 26+ states. Volunteer will have all 50 announced this month. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:50 03/02/21 Tue Miss Texas Volunteer pageant will be held June 26-July 3 in Allen, TX (NT) -- No name, 20:00:22 02/28/21 Sun ....as in small town city Allen in Collin County just north of Dallas----or you mean southern Texas bigger city McAllen, Texas on the US-Mexico border? Both get mixed-up a lot with mailed letters and reference of one or the other. (NT) -- It would also help if you would post the contact phone/email for TX Volunteer, 20:34:42 02/28/21 Sun So we have Jean and David from Texas, Allison from Tennessee, Chet from Pennsylvania, Suzi from Colorado as well as a City, Date and Venue....This is a powerhouse group. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:41 02/28/21 Sun Is Allison running both TN state and National? (NT) -- No name, 10:23:24 03/01/21 Mon Allen Texas is by no means considered a SMALL town. It's schools are in the largest division of the Texas School Association. They seriously DO NOT get mixed up, that's a misinformed comment. Miss Texas America was held in Allen for a couple of years before it was moved to the current location of Richardson. And if you go to the website for Texas Volunteer, you will find all the contact information you are looking for and requesting. Honestly, you poster, sound like someone from Jan's personal group trying to stir up drama. (NT) -- No name, 15:07:37 03/04/21 Thu Isn�t that the same week as Miss TX MAO? (NT) -- Hoping to see a spokesperson and or some local titleholders!, 23:16:54 02/28/21 Sun No, the week after (NT) -- No name, 11:25:08 03/01/21 Mon Should run now, otherwise they will look like crown chasers. Pick a program to support. (NT) -- No name, 21:40:01 02/28/21 Sun Nothing wrong with being a crown chaser. Many people have only one hobby and put all of their free time into that interest. Competing in both gives a girl the opportunity to win more scholarship money. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 22:20:31 03/01/21 Mon Unfortunately I don't see many current girls "running over to Volunteer". I think they're to invested in MTO to switch this late for a new pageant with very little information provided based on comments on here saying how great these people are. (NT) -- No name, 23:10:52 02/28/21 Sun Most "current girls" are active titleholders whomhave been waiting over a year for their state's crown. (NT) -- No name, 16:21:16 03/03/21 Wed Is former Miss Southlake going to Volunteer? (NT) -- No name, 23:22:46 02/28/21 Sun Each state has scorned MAO volunteers who are happy to try and get back at others. (NT) -- No name, 23:30:30 02/28/21 Sun Hope it will be a positive situation where there is room for everyone to go where they are comfortable. Up to this point the different pageant organizations have coexisted. (NT) -- No name, 01:04:27 03/01/21 Mon Amen! The new pageant gives more girls the opportunity to participate and to find the best match for their talents. (NT) -- No name, 07:20:12 03/01/21 Mon ^^^^^^ This (NT) -- No name, 13:43:05 03/01/21 Mon The real deal (MAO) is in a death spiral. Does anybody really believe that the involuntary retirees are going to ever make it work? It's a great refuge for those who think 2.0 is an obscene joke, but splitting an already small constituency is not going to work. We collectively need to figure out a way to pick up the pieces and intellectual property rights when Shantel and Mallory and friends end up in bankruptcy court.� (NT) -- No name, 12:45:44 03/01/21 Mon Ok, I am impressed with this organizations board. It includes three beloved former Miss Texas' Tamara Hext, Johnna Fitzgerald AND Gloria Gilbert (NT) -- No name, 13:03:53 03/01/21 Mon And another former Miss Texas Dana Rogers is helping in Nevada! Interesting about Gloria and Johnna, who were both on the Miss Texas board until last summer. (NT) -- No name, 13:21:08 03/01/21 Mon Yes, both were on the board until last summer, when they were kicked off for asking to many questions and pointing out inaccuracies from how Miss Texas was being handled. They were basically told shut up / quit asking questions or else. And they were removed by the current leadership for trying to make sure Miss Texas was being run correctly. (NT) -- No name, 15:13:05 03/04/21 Thu What type sponsors do they have and what type scholarships will they offer? That would be the deciding factor for me. (NT) -- No name, 13:26:57 03/01/21 Mon What sponsors does Miss America have? (NT) -- No name, 01:50:55 03/03/21 Wed Their website says Toni & Guy, Shimmer Boutique, Fernando Wong, Jamye Shaw, Corado Fitness. (NT) -- No name, 11:22:54 03/03/21 Wed They released today they're giving $20,000 CASH scholarship to the Miss winner. That is HUGE. (NT) -- No name, 14:58:09 03/08/21 Mon Our state is announcing the Volunteer ED soon - and it's going to be a great state pageant. (Not a competition, a PAGEANT.) (NT) -- No name, 14:57:45 03/02/21 Tue TX MAO crowns June 26; TX Vol starts that same day & crowns the following Saturday, July 3rd, so it appears there will be no cross overs this year. (NT) -- Will be interested to see who competes for Vol, 15:34:03 03/03/21 Wed I know many girls that age out this year were sadden to hear that Miss Tx Volunteer is at the same time as Miss Texas America. Many of these women are overlooked. What an opp for a chance at a title if it was later in the summer. Giving them a chance to really compete before saying goodbye. (NT) -- No name, 19:37:14 03/03/21 Wed Or they can just not compete in Texas America? Sometimes difficult choices must be made. (NT) -- No name, 05:38:08 03/06/21 Sat I would seriously consider a run at Volunteer if this were my last year of eligibility. (NT) -- I think you would have better chances at a first yr pageant., 11:51:18 03/06/21 Sat

Subject: I'm going to put this out there... This may be deleted within mins. As we come closer to state competitions or pageants, let's limit or just NOT post hurtful/spiteful comments about any girl that is competing. Yes, please continue to support your favorite. But let's show some class! After all, we are supposed to be uplifting young ladies to be incredible leaders, role models. Empower WOMEN.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:09:06 03/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Amen! (NT) -- No name, 17:34:57 03/06/21 Sat Amen! (NT) -- No name, 20:51:16 03/06/21 Sat Why would you possibly think this would be deleted? (NT) -- No name, 21:30:08 03/06/21 Sat I'd like to add that we not criticize volunteers too. It's really, really hard to volunteer and spend a ton of money and time and cringe when you log on hoping you won't see your name. It shouldn't be hurtful to come on this board. Facebook groups require your name so it's limited there, but wish we could walk the path of being anonymous without being mean. (NT) -- No name, 21:34:22 03/06/21 Sat I can understand why you would say "this might be deleted" because 9 out of 10 times someone says something mean and the whole thread gets deleted. (NT) -- No name, 01:57:22 03/07/21 Sun I don't post hurtful/spiteful things, but I do critique. It's not all positive. If a girl finds a kindly said, constructive opinion hurtful, she's not mature enough to hold a title. (NT) -- It's a good skill to have- considering advice without taking it personally (& skipping over the crap, 20:01:48 03/07/21 Sun I am not going to hit you with this stick, but you are standing where I'm about to swing.. (NT) -- No name, 21:29:21 03/07/21 Sun Do you know what's hardest for a contestant to get? An unbiased appraisal. How does a girl know what to fix, if she doesn't know what's wrong. Judges can't talk to them, EDs have to live with them for the year. Mother, boyfrind, bffs & fb likes tell her she's gorgeous; the smartest, most talented, most robbed girl ever. That's their job! But if she wants to win, she's got to know what's wrong (& how to fix it). (NT) -- Winning is in the details., 01:17:41 03/08/21 Mon Ex: "The color is gorgeous on you. Actually, you'd look great in any royal color. The lace & appliqu�s gowns are for girls who are underweight & trying to hide it bc they add pounds. Old pageant trick. It's a gorgeous dress, would be fine for an appearance, but there are better choices for competition." I'd recommend specific gown styles for her body shape. "This slims your hips and shows off your beautiful waist line". I want her to be in a gown that she looks beyond amazing in and feels more than amazing in. "Most dresses look good on you, but you want that dress that when people see you in it for the first time, it literally takes their breath away, as in there's an audible gasp from the audience."I'd remind her she told me she wanted to win & she can't unless she knows wha's not working. (NT) -- & it's not about hurt feelings, it's about looking & doing your best., 01:54:27 03/08/21 Mon

Subject: Oklahoma has 41 candidates
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:41:45 03/05/21 Fri Miss Ada � Elizabeth Gibson Miss Altus � Kennedy Martin Miss Bricktown � Maggie Bond Miss Broken Arrow � Sophia Arroyo Miss Brookside � Lexi Neahring Miss Capital City � Abigail Chitwood Miss CASC � Maci Crandell Miss Collinsville � Faith Steedman Miss Delaware County � Ashlin Murray Miss EOC/Mid-Del � Ava Cruchon Miss Edmond � McKinzie Deaton Miss Elk City � Karli Lovelace Miss Greater Oklahoma � Caitlin Rhodes Miss Green Country � Carly Vargas Miss Heartland � Jetta Smith Miss Huckleberry � Seyton Thomas Miss Keystone Lake � Emily Yannatone Miss Land of the Lakes � Macy Eminger Miss McAlester � Samantha Donato Miss Moore-Norman � Alyssa Payne Miss Muskogee � Telara Day Miss Mustang � Haylee Chiariello Miss NSU � Malory Lynch Miss NOC Enid � Emily Hall Miss NOC Tonkawa � Carli Pendleton Miss Northwestern � Liberty Bird Miss Oil Capital � Sunny Day Miss Oklahoma City � Ashleigh Robinson Miss OCU � Mackenzie McIntyre Miss Oklahoma State Fair � Ashley Ehrhart Miss OSU � Julianne Thomison Miss Ponca City � Chandler Brown Miss Redbud � Lexie Large Miss RiverWalk � Theodora Baker Miss Route 66 � Lynzie Herron Miss Queen of the West � Lily Parker Miss Sooner State � Michella Wilson Miss SWOSU � Natalee Karcher Miss Tulsa � Megan Gold Miss Tulsa State Fair � Kamryn Brown Miss University of Central Oklahoma � Alana Hughes [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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41 participants, I have to say I'm impressed-in this day and age that's a remarkable accomplishment. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:39 03/05/21 Fri Hoping this is Maggie Bond's year. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:26 03/05/21 Fri Miss OK Org always does such a great job. (NT) -- No name, 20:16:32 03/05/21 Fri they should---with a $500,000 production budget--Kay drawing a $150,000plus expenses salary----but they always seem to be needing scholarship money! (NT) -- former, 20:23:31 03/05/21 Fri stretching the truth with those figures hon? (NT) -- No name, 09:56:54 03/06/21 Sat Was it last year when their venue was flooded? (NT) -- No name, 11:39:41 03/06/21 Sat What do the 990s say? (NT) -- No name, 11:45:02 03/06/21 Sat https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/730989478/202022279349301507/full (NT) -- No name, 12:26:03 03/06/21 Sat Some of the awesome names ever! Liberty Bird! Sunny Day! Lexie Large! (NT) -- No name, 12:30:00 03/06/21 Sat Sunny Day and Liberty Bird might be the happiest names I have ever heard! (NT) -- No name, 19:06:28 03/07/21 Sun

Subject: Miss Tennessee Competition - June 27 - Jul 3, 2021; Cannon Center for the Performing Arts, Memphis, TN
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:06:24 03/04/21 Thu 2021 Miss Tennessee Candidates: https://www.misstennessee.org/2021-candidates [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Never thought I would see the day that only 7 BLONDES would be competing for Miss Tennessee (NT) -- No name, 20:55:04 03/05/21 Fri A M A Z I N G ! Crazy good website. Wow. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:50 03/05/21 Fri Don't know any of them but Miss Johnson City looks stunning! (NT) -- No name, 00:11:14 03/07/21 Sun Capitol City should win. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:51 03/07/21 Sun

Subject: SC USA Contestants - Finals March 6
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:04:36 03/06/21 Sat https://www.misssouthcarolinausa.com/contestants-miss/ https://www.misssouthcarolinausa.com/contestants-teen/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Beaufort is from Alabama and competed one year at Miss Alabama as Miss University of Mobile. (NT) -- No name, 11:09:56 03/06/21 Sat She is pretty! (NT) -- No name, 11:32:41 03/06/21 Sat When are finals? (NT) -- No name, 21:46:12 03/06/21 Sat Marley Stokes won (NT) -- No name, 22:36:01 03/06/21 Sat Davia Bunch was Top 10. (NT) -- No name, 00:28:21 03/07/21 Sun was Davina T 5 (NT) -- k, 00:46:38 03/07/21 Sun

Subject: NC USA Contestants - Finals March 6
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:07:00 03/06/21 Sat https://www.missnorthcarolinausa.com/contestants-miss/ https://www.missnorthcarolinausa.com/contestants-teen/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Asheville and Queen City look familiar (NT) -- No name, 09:21:14 03/06/21 Sat Mecklenburg County is very striking. (NT) -- No name, 09:22:12 03/06/21 Sat So is South Charlotte (NT) -- No name, 09:24:48 03/06/21 Sat Madison Bryant is Metrolina. Was 1st ru in last year's pageant and also top 5 two years in a row in miss America NC. Kaylee spruill and Paige adkins also top 15/10 in miss NC America. Asheville was Miss wheelchair NC. I see Vesche or bryant for the win (NT) -- No name, 14:36:05 03/06/21 Sat I believe Madeline Delp was previously Miss Statesville (NT) -- No name, 18:47:43 03/06/21 Sat Madison Bryant has been 1st runner up at NC USA and at NC America ..both! (NT) -- No name, 14:45:24 03/06/21 Sat Is there a top 10? Would love to see Davina win (NT) -- J, 15:40:06 03/06/21 Sat Chapel Hill, Mecklenburg County, Forsyth County, Triangle Area, Metrolina, Pinehurst, Asheville, Halifax County, Capital City, Queen City (NT) -- No name, 18:43:43 03/06/21 Sat Metrolina wins! (NT) -- No name, 19:23:24 03/06/21 Sat who is Davina? (NT) -- No name, 19:32:54 03/06/21 Sat Kaaviya (NT) -- No name, 19:49:31 03/06/21 Sat Davina is South Carolina this is North Carolina (NT) -- No name, 23:41:43 03/06/21 Sat Teen Winner - Gardner (NT) -- No name, 19:24:29 03/06/21 Sat Garner - Sorry for typo (NT) -- No name, 19:28:14 03/06/21 Sat What time is this pageant? Will someone please post T10, T5, and placements/winner as it's happening? Thanks. (NT) -- No name, 19:44:29 03/06/21 Sat just ended. Metrolina � Madison Bryant won (NT) -- No name, 19:55:30 03/06/21 Sat Davia Bunch was Top 10. (NT) -- No name, 00:27:04 03/07/21 Sun Wrong thread. (NT) -- No name, 00:27:55 03/07/21 Sun

Subject: Miss NJ
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:00:23 03/03/21 Wed Is Miss NJ still happening in June in AC? If so is there a updated contestant list? Anyone n�e to look out for? Top 5? Never see anything about NJ on this thread. Also any ideas on when Miss America might happen? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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On behalf of the Miss New Jersey Executive Board, we would like to congratulate the new Miss Atlantic Coast 2021, Taylor Swanger and the new Miss Blue and Gold 2021, Brittney Portes. These two young ladies will be joining the class of 2020/2021 in Atlantic City this June and competing for the title of Miss New Jersey 2021 (NT) -- No name, 04:33:35 03/03/21 Wed Congratulations! -- No name, 22:33:18 03/03/21 Wed In what venue is Miss New Jersey being held? (NT) -- No name, 06:27:50 03/03/21 Wed Venue -- No name, 00:06:50 03/07/21 Sun

Subject: Which System do you now support the most?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:11:44 02/04/21 Thu As of now, there are three systems that are available for Miss girls to participate in. Which system do you now support? Miss USA- This system is focused on classy, glamorous modeling, beauty and fitness, with interview skills as an integral part as well. Primarily attracts girls interested in careers in entertainment, modeling, and/or social media. Crystle Stewart has promised to bring even more glam to the USA system. Miss Volunteer America- This system is focused on selecting the all-around girl who is beautiful, fit, talented, and intelligent. This system is the �OG� Miss America pageant that you all grew up with through 2018. Typically attracts girls that want to work on themselves in a well-rounded way. The DeMarcus Nextflix stars are sure to attract a following very quickly. Miss America- Arguably the smallest of the three competitions going into this new year, the system does everything to shy away from beauty, fitness, or pageantry. It�s become a talking and talent competition only since 2019, focusing on social initiative statements. It has name brand recognition and attracts girls who fawn over the title �Miss America.� [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Personally I like USA. I like the prize package. Some of us WANT the celebrity status and the doors it opens. Not just scholarship. Especially if our debt is paid off, we get nothing in MA (NT) -- former contestant, 14:25:09 02/04/21 Thu I also like Miss USA/Universe, because they've been broadening their horizons. I'd also like to throw in Miss World, as that one seems to be coming on as well. I'm reserving judgment on Volunteer America, until I've seen how they operate and what kind of contestant shows up. Something to think about: MVA is going to need a winner who just blows everyone away to gain credence in pageantry, as well as the general public. Back in the day, MA had winners who were popular everywhere, like Heather Whitestone, Phyllis George, and Kaye Lani Rafko. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:55 02/04/21 Thu So MVA is the place for MUA types who can fake talent (NT) -- No name, 16:18:25 02/04/21 Thu Volunteer is at the top of my list. Can't wait for the pageantry to begin. (NT) -- No name, 16:00:58 02/04/21 Thu I am liking the Miss USA/Miss Universe System more and more every day and the support and direction in which they are headed. A few weeks ago I had a Zoom call with who they call their �Leadership Team� - Crystle Stewart, Max Sebrechts, and Micheal Hannah about starting two local pageants in California. I love their ideas and focus and I can�t wait to jump on board with them as a Local Franchiseholder. (NT) -- No name, 16:17:20 02/04/21 Thu CA has locals already, did they pull contracts and are starting over? (NT) -- No name, 16:20:30 02/04/21 Thu I can see MVA becoming part of the pageant loop. Timing will play a roll, however. Girls competed for State-USA, then do their open & go to State-MOA and then walk-in for State-MVA pageant weekend. At the very least, we will see USA/MVA crossovers, considering talent can be anything & worth the same as swimsuit (NT) -- No name, 16:31:10 02/04/21 Thu I feel really stupid, but I don't know what MOA and MUA mean. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:21 02/05/21 Fri MAO is Miss America Org, MUA is Miss USA/Universe Org (NT) -- No name, 14:03:36 02/06/21 Sat Vollenteer (NT) -- A., 17:20:27 02/04/21 Thu Anything except MA click in -- No name, 07:30:28 02/05/21 Fri True (NT) -- No name, 09:48:52 02/05/21 Fri Reposted from click-in: MA is no longer promoting their titleholder, but instead has become a place for the people in charge to promote social and political causes. Miss USA and Miss Volunteer promote their titleholders and organization and do not get political. (NT) -- If you post in the "Message subject (required): box, we can see it from the Main Page., 12:56:02 02/06/21 Sat* Volunteer (NT) -- No name, 15:24:23 02/05/21 Fri USA! All the way!!! :-) (NT) -- No name, 10:49:00 02/06/21 Sat I'm too short. Matters not what people say, 5'2" will never be Miss USA (NT) -- No name, 13:41:14 02/06/21 Sat Miss USA because Crystle now runs it (NT) -- LucidDreams, 17:56:56 02/06/21 Sat Most people thought Miss America was going to be great when they ousted Sam in put the formers in. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:53 02/06/21 Sat Not the many of us who knew better but we were silenced. It was so obvious to anyone who knows not only does winning a pageant not make you an expert on running one but I'd hardly believe they could coach someone to win. (NT) -- They won but that's about it, 20:31:56 03/02/21 Tue None because the meanspirited still has found a place to not uplift the girls. (NT) -- No name, 10:13:26 02/07/21 Sun I don't support any of them. I wanted to support Volunteer, but they are also having platforms. I think this move to turn pageant contestants into social justice warriors has really turned me off. Miss USA is too glamour girl, and MAO is on life support. I wanted Volunteer to be a return to true pageantry, but in the end, they are keeping platforms and looking for a "spokesperson". I wish them much success though. (NT) -- No name, 12:30:26 02/07/21 Sun I agree with the above- why can't pageants just be pageants? Why do they have to have platforms. (NT) -- No name, 14:17:24 02/07/21 Sun Because it�s 2021 and we now expect women to have substance beyond their looks. There are very few celebs/models these days who don�t aren�t involved in philanthropy. (NT) -- No name, 17:04:21 02/07/21 Sun Or even know what they're talking about when they open their big mouths about social issues. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:36 02/07/21 Sun How about the fact that someone is committed to their education. Isn't that enough to make them a role model. Long before platforms, many Miss America contestants were involved in Girl Scouts or taught Sunday School or various other things that had them involved in the community and doing good things outside of academics. But somewhere along the way MAO decided that someone needed to raise $1M for a platform cause in order to prove herself worthy of the title. And the downward slide has ensued ever since. (NT) -- No name, 10:05:26 02/08/21 Mon Being committed to one�s education is a given now. Yes, it was impressive during a time when women were discouraged from doing so, but that�s not the case anymore. Standards have risen. I don�t think that�s a bad thing. It�s the same reason getting into med school fifty years ago was easier than it is now. More opportunities = higher expectations. (NT) -- No name, 11:33:45 02/08/21 Mon Who has decreed that "standards have risen"? That's your opinion. I've been involved with Miss America since 1968 and in my opinion the young women years ago on average had much higher standards and much higher morals. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:18 02/08/21 Mon As someone who has successfully maneuvered through a competitive graduate school admissions process, my school wanted to see some community involvment outside of academics. But in their eyes, that was things like sitting on the auxilary board of my local American Cancer Society Chapter or sitting on my church council. It wasn't some social justice platform where I needed to be arrested at a protest or have raised millions of dollars for the cause. So I think your definition of "standards have risen" are out of line with the direction that MAO has taken. I am not looking for someone to have testified before congress six times just so she can win a State Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 12:17:38 02/08/21 Mon What if that is/was the woman's calling .. her grad degree is education admin and the bills she pushed through improved high school grad rates or lowered freshman college dropout numbers? Being on a church board is no where near the same. Sounds like sour grapes. (NT) -- No name, 17:32:01 02/10/21 Wed You miss the point. If someone has worked a platform to the point of having pushed through legislation or raised money, that's great. But that shouldn't be the criteria for winning the pageant. If that same young woman has a talent that scores a 3 and she's out of shape, then she shouldn't win the pageant. And it's setting the bar so high on platforms that we are lucky to get six contestants for a local, and have to give away 2 titles to boost numbers at State, when 20 years ago those same locals were getting 10 to 15 contestants for one title. Your point about sour grapes is ridiculous and totally off point. (NT) -- No name, 18:53:52 02/10/21 Wed If that young woman who sits on her church board had a talent I'd score a 9 or 10, and she's well spoken, personable and looks good in the image categories, I'll pick her to be Miss America over the Social Justice warrior who may have more platform experience, but who has a bad talent and lags in image. (NT) -- No name, 19:00:13 02/10/21 Wed why don't they call them "soap boxes" instead of platforms? (NT) -- No name, 22:38:18 02/07/21 Sun Most colleges look beyond their admission applicants� grades and test scores to evaluate them. How do they spend their time when not studying? What potential contributions will they make to the college community? Can they handle several responsibilities at the same time? A kid who plays video games in his room all the time is not going to get into Harvard, or any of the other Ivies and comparative colleges. Creating and marketing a game which is accessible and played by millions of players worldwide is infinitely better, as is starting a literary magazine for the high school, or singularly raising $20,000 for a local non-profit, or submitting original research to an academic journal. You can�t just brag about a 4.5 GPA and a perfect 1600 on the SAT score. The competitive schools have thousands of those applicants, just as pageants have thousands of beautiful contestants. (NT) -- No name, 20:35:46 02/28/21 Sun Harvard (grad here) and other Ivys look for balance. As a pageant should. (NT) -- No name, 22:00:28 03/01/21 Mon The reason why platforms are needed is because, what would they talk about during their year. Do you think that companies are lined up to invite a Vanna White to stand there and look pretty for pic and not speak or just be in a parade and wave to the crowd and take pics and sign autographs? This is not 1950 or 1960 any longer. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:24 02/10/21 Wed O.K. How have platforms increased the popularity of pageants? Are ratings going up or down now that they have social causes as part of the requirement. In the meantime, some of the highest rated TV shows have amateur talent as the premise of the show. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? Can we just send a young woman on appearances to talk about her committment to her career or education? Does she need to be a social justice warrior? (NT) -- No name, 12:35:10 02/10/21 Wed I have said the same thing. There are programs in a lot of state with MAO State winners that just go to Elementary, Middle, and High Schools to talk about the difference of making good choices can change the way your life unfolds. It doesn't need to be a platform individually each year. And I know a Miss America from this Century, and she got to do nothing with her platform even though she tried. She got some bookings and MAO wouldn't let her do them because she had sponsor visits to make. She did 3 platform appearances in her whole year and it wasn't because she couldn't get them. She was very disappointed, and that's why platforms need to end. And at this point, no one is booking her anyway and even before the Pandemic really were not. Nia got some appearances because of NY and the Lincoln Center and NC where she was from. Pretty much now only the State a girl is from is interested. (NT) -- No name, 12:56:30 02/10/21 Wed To the poster who said that we need platforms because the girl who wins has to have something to talk about during her reign, I mean that's just ridiculous --what did they do or talk about before we had platforms? (NT) -- No name, 09:10:58 03/01/21 Mon Pre-platform, winners were the spokesmodels for large sponsors. Traveled on their behalf (NT) -- No name, 16:13:17 03/03/21 Wed The void left by MAP demise will be quickly filled by volunteer and usa. (NT) -- No name, 17:00:55 02/07/21 Sun Volunteer (NT) -- No name, 11:14:09 02/10/21 Wed You are giving this Volunteer thing way to much credit way to early. (NT) -- No name, 19:51:24 02/10/21 Wed agree .. they do nit even have all 50 states yet (NT) -- No name, 20:31:06 02/10/21 Wed How do you know that?! They have been strategic with announcements because of the pandemic. Don't judge until we get closer to states opening up. (NT) -- No name, 17:28:51 03/03/21 Wed Platforms were created after Kay Lani. They did not exist before. Once put into MA , the pageant has gradually declined. I think USA does better simply because people know what they are about. They are looking for beauty. They are not putting her on a soap box. I have had two daughters compete and platforms are not necessary to determine an educated woman. Manners, vocabulary and knowledge become clear in a young woman once she opens her mouth. (NT) -- No name, 21:20:32 02/11/21 Thu I�m for USA until we see who wins at Volunteer. The Tennessee winners have been stunners, but the appointed spokesmodels have been just okay. (NT) -- No name, 14:30:24 02/12/21 Fri USA. Volunteer has to be a proven competition. America is over. (NT) -- No name, 22:10:48 02/27/21 Sat MAO has put the focus entirely on the winners platform. So when Nia won she tried to get appearances in the music field, with Camille its science/prescription drug appearances. The problem here is that if you�re not into music, you�re not going to follow Nias year. Likewise with Camille, iif science bores you you�re going to tune out. I think this approach is tunnel vision. What I like about USA/Universe is they have not locked their girl into any one thing. You see her with USO, the Sherri Hill prom gown giveaway event, Best Buddies, we�ve seen her going international, as well as fashions shows and beauty events. She�s just more versatile and exciting to follow. (NT) -- No name, 22:33:57 02/27/21 Sat Profit vs non / not for profit (regardless of industry) - profit will win (NT) -- No name, 01:12:02 02/28/21 Sun Thought I would be saying Volunteer at this time, but with the lack of information and the lack of participation by Allison, it is basically off my list. (NT) -- No name, 05:45:07 02/28/21 Sun We are all living in a pandemic. If you don�t understand how difficult it would be to do this when so many states are still restricted then you should move on. Allison had worked tirelessly and this is going to blow everyone away. So wait for the best or move on. (NT) -- No name, 13:15:17 02/28/21 Sun Pandemic or not, she should still be promoting Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 20:55:54 02/28/21 Sun She does! All the time. (NT) -- No name, 19:34:48 03/02/21 Tue Their Facebook page hasn�t been updated in MONTHS (NT) -- No name, 12:58:04 03/04/21 Thu Pandemic or not? Dear Lawrd you put more emphasis on a beauty pageant than staying alive. (NT) -- No name, 13:49:34 03/05/21 Fri There is no Miss America pageant. (NT) -- No name, 13:20:22 02/28/21 Sun Sure wish the new system would start with positivity and not with the need to criticize the others. The statement "there is no Miss America" is not true. It might not be your cup of tea, or you might be mad at it, but it does exist. Come on - take the high road. (NT) -- No name, 01:10:41 03/01/21 Mon The bitterness with which the Volunteer people communicate about MAO does not make me feel like they would be an improvement. The message seems to be, we're from TN and are still mad at Gretchen, so lets have a pageant nobody will ever care about. I really am tired of reading the press releases about the winners of their living room pageants. (NT) -- No name, 13:11:01 03/01/21 Mon You are OBVIOUSLY from 2.0!! Volunteer is all about young women competing where ever they want to and could care less about Gretchen or any of it. I called and talked with them and they were supportive of ALL pageants and still have friends that are Executive Directors with MAO and friends with people in the USA organization. From what I hear it is completely the opposite and its MAO that says all the bad things about EVERYONE who is a "pageant". Imagine that. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:38 03/03/21 Wed Advice to everyone... negative talk about another pageant is bad form. Just promote your own - don't criticize another one. (NT) -- No name, 19:39:44 03/01/21 Mon Well said (NT) -- LucidDreams, 21:32:43 03/01/21 Mon Two of the three systems came after the original one. America and USA have flourished because each believed in what they are doing. Even though USA was second they stick to who they are, and have worked positively alongside America. Both have done well. I hope Volunteer will be proud of who they are, without trying to "beat" the others. That's never a good way to start and it conveys weakness and ill will. All eyes are watching. (NT) -- No name, 10:34:53 03/02/21 Tue I do think MAV is doing well, it is MAO that is busy bad mouthing Volunteer, all can live together. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:13 03/03/21 Wed For sure!! My state ED told me about the call they had the other night with all directors and Shantel was full of remarks about Volunteer and threats. They must be VERY worried about Volunteer, and they should be with the incompetent leadership that MA has had for the past couple of years. They took our beloved program and ruined it. (NT) -- No name, 17:20:12 03/03/21 Wed Don�t believe this for a second our state MAO ED is encouraging girls to compete in both and our local prelims are sharing Volunteer post all the time (NT) -- No name, 13:55:27 03/04/21 Thu With the timing, hard to do both. Cannot hold concurrent titles, much depends on closing day for MAV State sign ups & what MAV may require (fees, certain swimsuit or opening number, ad sales - which can be required of a private/for profit corp like MAV) (NT) -- No name, 14:17:41 03/06/21 Sat This is good advice. (NT) -- No name, 16:06:07 03/03/21 Wed I will always support local titleholders. They deserve that (NT) -- No name, 18:38:16 03/03/21 Wed Why can't we support all programs that support these young women? Of course, we may have our favorites, but IMO we should never make these teens and misses feel punished because of the choice they made. All of these programs have something to offer and I think it would be a great example to these ladies if we all got along and cheered these young women on. We all know that MAO is the grandmother of them all so give them their accolades and then open the door for other opportunities! (NT) -- No name, 11:23:44 03/04/21 Thu THIS! Absolutely correct on all fronts. Nice to see a reasonable point of view. Each program offers something different and we should celebrate the availability of such great options for young women to choose from. And support their decision, no matter what it may be. After all, the core concept behind all of these is to promote opportunities for women. My feeling is if we truly want to support young women, we should support any program out there as long as it is being conducted honestly, honorably, and legally. Let's foster an environment of positivity! (NT) -- No name, 12:38:21 03/04/21 Thu *I WISH MAO felt the same way. Just told by our Executive Director that they could no longer forward emails to anyone. They were told that MAO now has a program attached to all emails that will TRACE anyone that they forward an email to. So, more SCARE tactics?!!! I am on the BOD and can�t get an email with info forwarded to me. I am quitting!!!! Are they the FBI or how ridiculous is that?! And they said that Shantel definitely said many negative things about Volunteer in the call. This is RIDICULOUS. I doubt that a program could actually do that but why don�t they trust VOLUNTEERS? Would the national Cancer Society or any group threaten their volunteers like that ?! I don�t understand why anyone would want to be an executive director or anything fir them. (NT) -- No name, 21:00:37 03/04/21 Thu* I will be emailing Shantel directly and asking this question. If I can�t support both then I will have to move on. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:09 03/04/21 Thu Please do!! And contact your state director to see how they are feeling about the new �threat� and the spyware they supposedly have to trace emails. Shantel, Marc, Brent and some board members were on that call so she can�t deny it!!!!! And she can�t deny saying untrue statements about Volunteer and also talking about how much better the New MAOTeen is going to be... but it�s only 2 days of prrelims and final night. Doesn�t sound better to me!! So if posiitivity is what you want I don�t think that phone call demonstrated much of that. (NT) -- No name, 00:39:19 03/05/21 Fri As I posted above, even if this were true and they have 'spy ware' embedded in their emails (dear god are they paranoid), all they would have to do is copy the body of the email and paste it in doc as attachment. Can't be traced. (NT) -- No name, 14:01:42 03/05/21 Fri Exactly!! I guess they think everyone is stupid and scared. WHY oh WhY would anyone want to work for those people?! And, send girls to them to compete?! (NT) -- No name, 15:17:50 03/05/21 Fri Lastin Impressions is hosting the annoucement of America's Ideal Miss pageant, run by Neely Musgrave (NT) -- No name, 21:08:05 03/05/21 Fri Mean Girls 2.0 -- No name, 15:47:18 03/06/21 Sat

Subject: Are any former MAOT doing vollunteer?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:32:42 03/05/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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As in state titleholders, or local winners who have opted to move away from MAO? (NT) -- No name, 12:18:20 03/05/21 Fri either one (NT) -- d, 02:52:48 03/06/21 Sat There has been no announcement about Volunteer pageant in Alabama. Girls can�t find any information. (NT) -- No name, 12:02:42 03/06/21 Sat Any state (NT) -- No name, 13:03:07 03/06/21 Sat Oregon has their 2019 teen 1st runner up competing in the teen div. As well as a couple 2019 Miss have moved over. (One was the pre 2.0 2018 1st runner up & 2.0 2019 4th runner up) (NT) -- No name, 14:12:51 03/06/21 Sat

Subject: Who are your favorite dark horse contestants in each state?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:30:33 03/01/21 Mon It�s interesting to see the ladies that unexpectedly make top 10/top5 every year. Especially with all the changes in the organization. Who do you have your eye on or think will do well this year that isn�t getting the �buzz� other girls do. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Minnesota darkhorse is Lori Martin King Bird. Alabama Camden Swatts. Arizona Melody Pierce. Arkansas Callie Scherry. Florida is Carlehr Swanson. Georgia Chelsea Paulding. Hawaii Carly Yoshida. Illinois Laila Haley. Indiana samantha Shenk. Iowa GraceLynn Keller. Kansas Alexandria Adkins. Kentucky Laura Hancock. Louisiana Rebecca Wheelis. Michigan Simone Vaughn. Mississippi Sarah Gladney. Missouri Angela Luna. Nebraska Torisa Walker. Nevada Jeong Jayne Lee. New Hampshire Kaley Missert. New Jersey Michelle Wanner. NewYork Bria Stone. North Carolina Karolyn Martin. North Dakota Julia Ressler. Ohio Jaeleen Miller. Oklahoma Ashley Ehrhart. Pennsylvania Abby Traxler. South Carolina Sarah Floyd. South Dakota Margaret Samp. Tennessee Deanna Greer. Texas Nicole Wingor.. mUtah Emma Titus. Virginia Lilly Summy. Washington Kayla Souca. West Virginia Alicia Holloway. Wisconsin Sophia Karegeannes. (NT) -- No name, 22:58:44 03/01/21 Mon NE: Unfortunately Torisa Walker has handed down her 2020 title and won't be competing in 2021. She would have been amazing! (NT) -- No name, 13:48:08 03/02/21 Tue NH: Kaley Missert resigned her title and is not competing (NT) -- No name, 14:51:37 03/02/21 Tue Didn't Jaeleen Davis compete in Michigan several times? How did she place? (NT) -- No name, 15:16:17 03/03/21 Wed Rebecca Wheelis in Louisiana resigned her title and won't be competing in June (NT) -- No name, 20:46:31 03/04/21 Thu I would not call Camden Swatts a dark horse in Alabama. She was top five her last time competing. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:13 03/05/21 Fri It's Samantha Shank not Shenk and Indiana still has a local with 3 crowns to give out tomorrow. (NT) -- No name, 08:08:41 03/06/21 Sat Looks like some really good choices. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:06 03/02/21 Tue I so agree about Lori Martin Kingbird and she can bring publicity to the program. The girl has already been on 2 billboards in MN. One for a college and one for her culture. (NT) -- KML, 10:28:03 03/02/21 Tue Since CT is the first state having a pageant, any thoughts on them? (NT) -- No name, 10:37:28 03/02/21 Tue I think she would do well at Miss America, but with all the changes who KNOWS what they are looking for (NT) -- No name, 12:59:47 03/03/21 Wed My datkhorse in Connecticut is Leah. I think it's a first but I personally find her fearless. (NT) -- No name, 13:40:08 03/02/21 Tue NC doesn't really have a "dark horse". So many names being tossed around, and it seems the common thought is it will be anyone's to win this year. No true frontrunners. I have my faves. (NT) -- No name, 14:22:46 03/03/21 Wed Going back to the early 60s (as far as I know) CT has never sent a monologue to nationals (if Rockville wins). The closest was in 1974 (Elisa Heinimann who did a monologue but sang during it). Old timers may recall that Elisa so tragically died in a plane crash with her family in 1994. (NT) -- No name, 09:34:41 03/04/21 Thu Miss Racine 2020, Sophia Joyce Karegeannes is not nor should be a "dark horse" to win Miss Wisconsin this June let alone place in the semi-finals IF they bother to know who she, heard her talent and saw her pageant wardrobe and state preparation. She is leading candidate for Miss Wisconsin--and to become the first-ever Miss Racine to win the Miss Wisconsin title since 1960. (NT) -- http://journaltimes.com/article_399e3487-35a1-5d0a-abdc-239a97e10da8.html, 14:00:36 03/04/21 Thu Please explain this. i know noting about her and am curious to know why she is a contender this year. Can you provide a link to that newspaper article? (NT) -- No name, 22:16:52 03/04/21 Thu I think you are right and I should have picked someone else. I think she has a good chance of winning. Bjvgest competition is probably Sarah. (NT) -- No name, 20:08:12 03/04/21 Thu In our state most of the �candidates� are a dark horse because back in the day they wouldn�t have even won a local let alone have a legit shot at the state crown. (NT) -- No name, 20:09:57 03/04/21 Thu

Subject: So sad.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:01:01 02/25/21 Thu I spent a few hours watching the Pageant Heyday channel last night. I'm not one of those people to dwell on a past that was never as great as my memories. But as we watch the state and national pageants from as recently as 15 years ago, you get the sense of how much MAO has lost its way. NOBODY cares about what they are selling or wants to watch somebody "interviewing" for a job while leadership keeps driveling on about "empowerment." The people who care about those things are inextricably opposed to the institution they are running into the ground. They should not be part of it any longer. It's a pageant. I cannot understand how there is anything wrong if young women want to compete in swimsuit, and cannot see why the powers that be would have even screwed up the evening gown competition. I also disagree with the continued whacking away at the talent segment, much less the concept that an 8th-grade lab demonstration should have merited anything but rolled eyes and laughter. And though I have few issues with platforms, if I want to dwell on issues I'll watch C-Span. It's a pageant. Nothing is ever going to get the ratings MA used to get, but we are seeing major sporting events facing the same challenges. But MAO does not have to pull huge numbers to survive in the current landscape. There is a definite niche in the marketplace for a product that would appeal to a loyal and engaged fanbase. As a person that spent decades in tourism-related marketing, it's utter insanity to see the constant tinkering with a format that fails to bring in new viewers and succeeds only in alienating the loyal. I realize I'm not saying a single thing most of you folks already know, but it's absolutely an insane tragedy what has happened to a century old brand. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Agreed. (NT) -- No name, 12:27:12 02/25/21 Thu They decided to turn their backs on those of us who continued to volunteer and liked Miss America in favor of thinking cutting Swimsuit and Gown and adding an onstage talk would make girls come to the program in droves and they were very wrong. But they won't admit it or they would have changed back for those of us who still care. So a lot of us turned our backs on MAO, so I quit. We'll always have our wonderful memories and comraderie with pageant friends that we only saw at State each year, and for those of us that were lucky, had girls make it to Miss America. That's one thing they can never take away. We remember what Miss America was, and the current leadership doesn't or they would honor it. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:20 02/25/21 Thu OP, I agree with you too. It's really something to watch the state finals from 15+ years ago on YouTube and realize they totally killed a good thing that could have survived among its fan base. (NT) -- No name, 14:14:48 02/25/21 Thu You are absolutely correct. It would not be that difficult to fix, if leadership would check the egos at the door, and drop the toxic feminism. I was very supportive of Ms. Hagan when it was obvious Sam was acting badly, but they need to flip the script on that entire chapter and clean house. Especially after the odd time we have collectively survived, a return to some familiar things from the past would be welcomed, and that includes the MA pageant. If it does die, it will be because of all the infighting and drama, not because it could not have made it. Honestly, we were better off with Haskell. Scary thought. (NT) -- No name, 21:19:41 02/25/21 Thu you are preaching to the choir (NT) -- No name, 23:46:10 02/25/21 Thu Well said. I agree completely! (NT) -- No name, 00:13:34 02/26/21 Fri Very well written post. Thanks (NT) -- No name, 00:14:07 02/26/21 Fri I think another thing MAO missed the mark on is how much the girls want that crown! They want that unforgettable, amazing moment of winning while their entire peer group/ community watches. All while wearing beautiful gowns! & being your most beautiful. It's affirming. It's a structure for self improvement & growth outside of what you would learn in college. This is esp true for 1st gen students. (NT) -- Then you're feted as the queen for a year, 23:53:32 03/03/21 Wed You are so absolutely right. The biggest tragedy about MAO, is the militant lack of understanding of the people that are their base constituency. There never seems to be a lack of those moments where you wonder what the thought processes are. (NT) -- No name, 01:23:20 03/05/21 Fri When I see those old pageant videos on Youtube, I think about how much talent was running through this program. MAO decided to go full out Social Justice Warrior as amateur talent shows were exploding in popularity with American Idol, The Voice and America's Got Talent. We always had amateur talent!!!!!! But somewhere along the line decided that platforms trumped all else, while the TV audience yawned and changed the channel. That's what makes me sad when I see those videos. (NT) -- No name, 09:58:45 03/05/21 Fri I'm the same way. Fortunately I competed in the 90s and have great memories of being in AC. We weren't SJWs yet or trying to be. I guess I'm now over the hill because I look back on even then as "the good old days"... The platforms totally ruined MAO. It became a platform competition and looks and talent didn't seem to matter much. So why bother? (NT) -- Bring on the nostalgia of old. Kids might tune in and get a kick out of it., 12:53:14 03/05/21 Fri

Subject: Miss Delaware Contestants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:44:48 03/03/21 Wed Alli Dayton - Miss First State - New - Singer Caroline Scalora - Miss Sussex County - New - UNKNOWN Danielle Taylor - Miss Christiana - Returning - Singer Emalie Lawson - Miss New Castle County - Returning - Dancer Imani Cummings - Miss Capital - New - UNKNOWN Kara Scarengella - Miss Blue Gold - New - Speed Painter Kaylynn Pride - Miss Hockessin - Returning - Dancer Kimberly Aiken - Miss Southern Delaware - New - Speed Painter Kristin Greenly - Miss Diamond State - New - Dancer Maya Bythwood - Miss Dover - New - Saxophone Riley Slate - Miss Brandywine - Returning - Singer Sophie Phillips - Miss Milford - Returning - Piano [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 11:22:22 03/03/21 Wed 12 candidates seems like a small number for Delaware (NT) -- No name, 14:38:49 03/03/21 Wed Not really. They've averaged 12-15 candidates for the past 4 years or so (NT) -- No name, 09:16:09 03/04/21 Thu Did they stop having locals/city preliminaries in Delaware (NT) -- No name, 14:57:03 03/04/21 Thu No. They do a mix of citys/towns and then general geographic location every year. The titles vary depending on what EDs are participating and who�s holding the pageants. I think the only ones missing are the Wilmington Newark titles but that organization is not active right now (NT) -- No name, 20:10:17 03/04/21 Thu

Subject: Candidate eligibility
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:41:35 02/28/21 Sun I heard an MAO volunteer tell someone that a girl cannot compete if she lives with a boyfriend, but I cannot find a contract to verify. Can anyone confirm? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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This is correct. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:12 02/28/21 Sun Where is this in the local contract? Is it also in the State contract? (NT) -- No name, 15:33:14 02/28/21 Sun Wrong. That was years ago. Not in the contract now. (NT) -- Does this volunteer not want this girl to compete for some reason? A favorite??, 22:55:50 03/03/21 Wed Good! -- No name, 14:58:59 02/28/21 Sun There have been girls living with their boyfriend, but just didn�t advertise it - even a Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:38 02/28/21 Sun Old rule no longer valid or written in the contract. -- No name, 17:35:32 02/28/21 Sun Who was the miss @Ameriva (NT) -- No name (T), 18:03:43 02/28/21 Sun Our state has had many girls live with their boyfriends and be engaged. One recent year, our winner had to push her wedding back a year after winning state. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:54 02/28/21 Sun That would be Indiana. (NT) -- PikachusWorld, 20:21:24 02/28/21 Sun Correct (NT) -- No name, 11:39:24 03/04/21 Thu There's no law that says you can't rent an apartment with a member of the opposite sex, especially if you are trying to keep your college years on a tight budget. Whose bussiness is it to determine if you are boyfriend and girlfriend? (NT) -- No name, 19:57:32 02/28/21 Sun ...oops. "business". (NT) -- No name, 20:02:32 02/28/21 Sun Can someone with access to a contract confirm? I have a regular contestant that moved in w/ her bf during the pandemic and will be devastated if she can't compete anymore :( (NT) -- No name, 12:10:56 03/01/21 Mon I competed for multiple years while living with a boyfriend. My directors knew and no one said anything, so this would be news to me. -- Anonymous, 10:52:04 03/04/21 Thu I was going to say, we've had multiple girls that lived with their boyfriends and like someone else said, got engaged but postponed the wedding for a year when they won State. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:46 03/04/21 Thu

Subject: MISS UNIVERSE!!! Is happening!! Who else is excited for a pageant???
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:05:36 03/03/21 Wed May 16, 2021 Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Hollywood, Florida [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Whoop whoop I�m so so ready!!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:21:03 03/03/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Universe competition set to air live in May
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:24:21 03/03/21 Wed https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/miss-universe-competition-air-live-may [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: WATCH: Beauty queen guru Paolo Ballesteros polishes Honey Cartasano's runway walk
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:09:03 03/03/21 Wed https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainment/showbiznews/news/74706/watch-beauty-queen-guru-paolo-ballesteros-polishes-honey-cartasanos-runway-walk/story [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Good advice (NT) -- No name, 16:04:26 03/03/21 Wed

Subject: NC loses another one. Miss Asheville Emily Holbert resigned. Got a great job offer. Was top 16 in SC in '19
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:56:29 02/18/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can�t blame her. There is still so much uncertainty that I would move on (NT) -- No name, 18:06:28 02/18/21 Thu She probably saw how people are treated behind the scenes (NT) -- No name, 14:58:43 03/02/21 Tue Girls are resigning left and right - does Shantel realize people are OVER her BS? (NT) -- No name, 15:00:00 03/02/21 Tue Sad to hear about all the resignations (NT) -- No name, 21:50:37 03/02/21 Tue MAO knows all about it. They just don�t care. That simple. They think thousands of girls are going to show up for all of their great changes and ideas and you won�t be able to change their minds. Go to another better run system. This one is done. They won�t change and look how many great formers have quit and turned their backs on it (NT) -- No name, 01:46:04 03/03/21 Wed Most of the women who resigned did so due to the extra year and COVID. Opportunities came up and they simply couldn't lett them slip away. I haven't heard one woman say they're quitting because of the MAO in general. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:43 03/03/21 Wed Agree. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:11 03/03/21 Wed

Subject: Something to ponder
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:55:17 02/28/21 Sun First, watch the Golden Globe awards show tonight (now playing) on NBC as they likely will have an "In Memoriam" tribute segment of past recently deceased stars and top L.A. producers including a tribute to actress and former Miss Chicago 1946, Cloris Leachman, who was a top 16 finalist at Miss America in 1946. She died on January 27, 2021 at age 94. Also, unrelated to pageantry and tonight's gala award show, but not far away from the Los Angeles broadcast portion of tonight's show (the other originating from New York City), word was announced on Friday that the two stolen dogs of Lady Gaga were located and taken to police. All three dogs are now back together including the one not stolen during the bizarre canine heist. However, dog walker Ryan Fischer is still making a recovery from torso injuries. Am I the only one who is kind of puzzled by this sudden and announced half-million dollar reward by the famed singer and now actress (who is in Rome filming a movie now)?? She puts up $500.000 for the dogs, but not any reward money to help solve the kidnapping and near-fatal shooting case to help get dire tips on who shot the dog walking friend? Seems odd. She was more concerned over the dogs than putting up money for the guy and trying to help solve the case in general?? The media announced an email address for Lady Gaga in the name of her two now returned dogs...maybe we all should email Lady Gaga and her handlers/family to tell them that was kind of an odd reward priority----just find my dogs, and who cares who shot my pal/dog walker?? KojiandGustav@gmail.com Lets all hope that this was not an an elaborate concocted scheme involving Ryan himself to get big money from a despite dog-loving Lady Gaga?? But she has had an eventual two months this year, so far. She sang at the Biden presidential inauguration last month in Washington, and now she made big headlines late this month over two "stolen" French bulldogs. Trust me, dog-gone-it, these dogs will not sign autographs, but you can still send them fan email!!! KojiandGustav@gmail.com http://www.tmz.com/2021/02/27/lady-gagas-dogs-tied-to-poll-in-alley-finder-gets-500k-reward/ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lady-gaga-offers-500-000-return-dogs-after-thief-steals-n1258838 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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...Wrong words (blame auto-spell check??!!) in the last paragraph. It should have said.... -- "desperate" dog-loving Lady Gaga......and "eventful" two months., 21:02:35 02/28/21 Sun It was posted that lady Gaga had paid for the dog walkers family to be with him and has taken care of all of his expenses. He is a close friend of hers and moved with her to continue working for her. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:46 03/02/21 Tue

Subject: I was watching the 1992 Miss Pennsylvania Pageant when Kristin Chenoweth was 2nd runner up. Just curious....how was she eligible to compete there since she was from Oklahoma. She listed her school at Oklahoma City University.
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Chenoweth was living in Philadelphia when she was offered a spot at the Philadelphia Academy of Vocal Arts to study voice. She was going to further her studies there until she was offered a Broadway role and then eventually left to live in NY. (NT) -- No name, 12:24:13 02/18/21 Thu Thank you!!! (NT) -- No name, 13:28:16 02/18/21 Thu If Chenowith had ever made it to Atlantic City and won Miss America, I'll bet she would have gone down as one of the favorite formers. Could you imagine her interacting with the public for a whole year with that infectious personality? She would have been a PR monsoon. (NT) -- No name, 19:32:37 02/19/21 Fri "PR Monsoon." Aptly put!! (NT) -- Devotia Joy Bagelman, 22:14:13 02/27/21 Sat Kristin's parents were Pennsylvania residents. (NT) -- No name, 15:43:36 02/21/21 Sun I know she was born in Ok and that she gave money for a performing arts center in her name in her hometown in OK. Did she ever live in PA? (NT) -- No name, 09:02:09 02/24/21 Wed Her parents live in broken arrow Oklahoma and that�s where she grew up, I haven�t heard her parents ever lived there. (NT) -- No name, 23:09:42 02/27/21 Sat They lived in PA for ten years. Her dad was transferred from DX to Sunoco. My dad worked with her dad. (NT) -- No name, 10:14:57 03/01/21 Mon She would've competed in Carolyn Sapp's year. That's hard to imagine. (NT) -- No name, 21:00:22 02/27/21 Sat No...She would have competed Leanzas year. (NT) -- No name, 22:30:38 02/27/21 Sat Didn't Kristen C. compete in Oklahoma in 1991? That was Carolyn's year. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:30 03/01/21 Mon Kristi Dawn Chenoweth won Miss OCU and then was 2nd RU Miss Oklahoma 1991 (NT) -- No name, 12:20:26 03/02/21 Tue I think she went to Caragie Mellon. A big performing arts school. (NT) -- No name, 10:46:31 03/01/21 Mon Can you imagine what a tragedy it would have been if Leanza had not won that year. I doubt Kristin with her conservative proclivities would have adopted AIDS as a cause. Plus the First runner up that year (Lemkau) would have still beaten her even if Leanza had waited a year. (NT) -- No name, 12:53:59 03/01/21 Mon all speculation (NT) -- No name, 18:54:28 03/01/21 Mon Kristin's platform in Oklahoma and Pennsylvania was AIDS Education at both the local and state levels. She's Christian, but very liberal. (NT) -- No name, 15:20:41 03/02/21 Tue She earned a bachelor's degree in musical theatre in 1990 & a master's degree in opera performance in 1992 both from OCU. (NT) -- No name, 12:26:33 03/02/21 Tue

Subject: I've been searching but can't find scoring for Volunteer for state and/or nationals. Can anyone confirm the breakdown?
Author: Thanks! [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:58:46 02/16/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It is here - but to save you time ... 40/20/20/20 (NT) -- No name, 22:11:59 02/16/21 Tue Miss Volunteer -- excited for a real pageant!!, 22:34:41 02/16/21 Tue 40 percent interview; 20 percent lifestyle /fitness; 20 percent talent; 20 percent evening gown. Final night the onstage question is taken into consideration for placement only. (NT) -- No name, 10:17:31 02/17/21 Wed Looking forward to state pageant season - dreading MAO, but loving all the Volunteer crownings. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:49 03/02/21 Tue

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:28:22 02/19/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did anyone wonder what is this loud noise that Katelyn is hearing? (NT) -- No name, 14:57:32 03/02/21 Tue

Subject: I find it bizarre that the latest Miss America newsletter does not include even one mention of Camille. There are photos of lots of other people included, but not a single reference to the current Miss America.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:32:28 02/05/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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They have not treated her well. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:35 02/05/21 Fri There is very seldom anything about her on the Miss America social media page. It is primarily used to promote social causes. -- No name, 11:21:52 02/05/21 Fri Huge reason that they selected her was because she said she could bring sponsors. She did not do that. If you have expectations by your employer and you do not meet those expectations, you are usually fired. I don�t think you should be treated poorly, but lying on the interview process is pretty serious. (NT) -- Think about it., 12:43:11 02/05/21 Fri Oh PLEASE. She was a very successful state titleholder. I�m sure she brought her contacts....you can lead a horse to water, but you can�t make it drink. She doesn�t make the deals, MAO does. Brent can�t close a deal if his life depended on it (NT) -- No name, 13:55:12 02/05/21 Fri Hey contacts came about because her mom hired a publicist. I'm not sure how sustainable that is and honestly Mao needs sponsors y/y and ones that are more general and not tied to one Miss America platform. (NT) -- No name, 14:54:03 02/05/21 Fri Pretty sure she confirmed at the beginning of her year that rumor was false. Do you really not believe there couldn�t have been organic interest? Do you all just hate seeing successful women? Isn�t that the entire point of all of this? You all just love to hate on Camille because she doesn�t feed in to your beauty pageant BS . (NT) -- No name, 16:58:23 02/05/21 Fri Rumor was/is true. Her mother did hire a publicist. (NT) -- No name, 23:20:30 02/05/21 Fri Camille totally fits into the beauty mold, check out her social media before she competed in Mao. She even did makeup blogging. And that's what makes her unimpressive. She's manufactured everything instead of being authentic and sincere but hey, she worked the system and won. (NT) -- No name, 02:36:19 02/06/21 Sat "You all just love to hate on Camille because she doesn�t feed in to your beauty pageant BS ," says the person, speaking of Miss America, lol. (NT) -- No name, 02:41:03 02/06/21 Sat I like Camille a lot. (NT) -- No name, 21:23:36 02/10/21 Wed Nia�s state ED was telling everyone that she had a long list of sponsors to bring to MAO. Did any of those come to fruition? (NT) -- No name, 16:35:49 02/06/21 Sat That was Camille, not Nia. (NT) -- No name, 19:10:45 02/06/21 Sat Actually most Miss America winners have talked about all the sponsors they will bring and most do not. No one wants to sponsor at this point. Maybe 15 years ago but not anything since. I believe Camille talked about DuPont sponsoring her because of her talent presentation but no one would be sponsoring anything this year given the situation and there's no benefit for a sponsor for Miss America. Watch the Superbowl tomorrow and see all of the big names missing from commercials. Budweiser isn't doing commercials for the first time in years and so are a lot of others. You're going to see new companies advertising because of reduced ad rates and the benefit just isn't there. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:10 02/06/21 Sat You are crazy if you think the Super Bowl can't get ads. Huge names and stars in the commercials. Try again. Don't make promises to get a job and then be disappointed if they start to ask where those sponsors are. (NT) -- Dellusional, 00:24:22 02/08/21 Mon I didn't say the Superbowl couldn't get commercials. But the caliber and type of companies running ads were different. No Clydesdales, and people noticed. You can try again when your girl is Miss America and can't sell the program. Ad rates and ratings were way down this year for the Superbowl. One coast bowls don't equate to national ratings. And yes, you can post the ratings from that week and the Superbowl will be on top but the numbers are critically down year over year again and again. (NT) -- No name, 19:11:03 02/15/21 Mon Nia spoke, in her interview, about how she got Kendra Scott to sposnor NY .. not true (NT) -- No name, 19:39:38 02/06/21 Sat Regardless of who the winner is and what she said or did to get the title... as long as this current leadership is in place, it will always be like this year after year. They are really pushing this �Miss America is a MAO employee and she�s part of a team� crap... girls do not grow up wanting to be Miss America to simply be another �employee�. They use the narrative that she needs to be flexible and adapt to whatever... basically because they know they can�t deliver a year full of experience and excitement.. so they chalk it up to �You are an employee and you are not entitled to anything� Literally what they said on the national call to ladies gearing up to compete. Seems to be this way now because states are just �adapting� to the bs. Miss America (as we know it) is now a thing of the past. (NT) -- No name, 07:08:55 02/07/21 Sun That was all Regina�s concept and for some reason MAO has decided to stick with it. They need to understand their consumer base. IMO their messaging is all over the place with no cohesive organizational plans. (NT) -- No name, 08:36:55 02/07/21 Sun Let's just face facts, Miss America is finished. (NT) -- No name, 14:37:06 02/07/21 Sun The only ones who know who Miss America is, is us. Same with USA. Most average people couldn't name a Miss America or a Miss USA from the last 15 or 20 years. They see her on a morning TV talk show right after the pageant, and that's it. Ask anyone on the street (insert name of any recent Miss America), and they'll have no idea. (NT) -- No name, 09:38:40 02/08/21 Mon Not the same with Miss USA! (NT) -- No name, 21:22:00 02/10/21 Wed Yes it is (NT) -- No name, 13:12:49 02/11/21 Thu Actually it is the same. No one cares except for pageant fans. Don't believe us? Walk down the street and ask the general public who Miss USA is. (NT) -- No name, 18:34:04 02/11/21 Thu And why do we care? Why are we chasing the general public's approval? Pageantry is for Pagentry fans, not everyone. (NT) -- No name, 10:59:07 02/17/21 Wed Exactly right. We should be focusing on the people who still care about a real pageant and not pandering to the general public. They're not going to watch anyway or they already would be. We're all we have left. Look at Soap Opera. They've tried again and again to do stunts to get ratings and no one new is watching. Everything is streaming and Hulu and Netflix series now. There's no point in pandering to the masses who still won't watch anyway. Let us have a real pageant and when it ends, we did it our way. Not the way of the people who made fun of us anyway. (NT) -- No name, 15:47:13 02/17/21 Wed I agree!!! -- No name, 13:48:20 02/10/21 Wed Most people I know don�t even know there are two systems. They think USA is Miss America and vice versa. They couldn�t name a winner at all. (NT) -- No name, 01:36:41 02/11/21 Thu Exactly, I can ask the first 1000 people I meet in my city, "Can u name either the current Miss America or Miss USA" and not a single person would know. (NT) -- I guarantee you, 10:57:21 02/11/21 Thu Agree. But they couldn't 30 years ago either unless it was the week after the pageant. I have been involved since the 70's. Even people on my local committee couldn't remember the winner's name most years. They might rememebr the state she was from but not all of them did and they were involved. Except when our state won Miss America. They knew her name, her talent, her college, her major and most had her framed photo in their home and/or office. (NT) -- No name, 16:18:10 02/11/21 Thu What exactly is the purpose of the Miss America newsletter? (NT) -- No name, 18:42:04 02/11/21 Thu But it�s the same with most things. Ask who won best picture at the oscars or who won America�s Got Talent, both have much higher ratings. I�ve been following the pageant since the early �70�s and I can�t remember the current winner�s name myself. Or the best picture winner or the winner of America�s Got Talent and I watched all 3. (NT) -- No name, 06:20:47 02/18/21 Thu Camille is also absent from the social media (click in) -- No name, 08:40:18 02/18/21 Thu It's not like MAO has anything for Camille to do anyway. They all keep claiming how busy she is, but no one believes it. (NT) -- No name, 22:18:09 03/01/21 Mon Here�s my take on MAO social media for what it�s worth...I�ve never understood why the face of your org and her activities are not prominently displayed on the org page? If I�m an outsider or a potential sponsor I�m going to go the the Miss America page to look for info. I�m not going to go to Camille Schrier, I don�t even know how to spell her name! I get that by Camille using her personal page she gains the followers for her future but hey the org needs to grow it�s page as well!!! Many states do this very same thing which is even more obscure because people are not going to go to @missanericaxx to find out what�s going on, they�re going to go to the org pages. If the org pages are not prominently displaying their titleholder, appearances and upcoming events that�s a terrible marketing job with lots of missed opportunities. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:10 03/02/21 Tue

Subject: Miss GA USA Contestants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:50:10 02/13/21 Sat http://www.missgeorgiausa.com/gausa2021/?fbclid=IwAR313t9qeOV3I0l4whHHgI89vvXcZeq2Hkrbu-J5PejWNxDhcGGm94qAERc [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think Caroline Wade is a previous GA Teen USA. (NT) -- No name, 21:36:25 02/13/21 Sat Caroline Wade was GA Teen USA 2010 and Non-Finalist @ Miss Teen USA 2010. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:35 02/18/21 Thu Gracie Abercrombie's mom is a former Miss NC (NT) -- No name, 23:35:37 02/13/21 Sat Gracie Abercrombie is the daughter of former Miss NC, Susie Proffitt (NT) -- No name, 23:37:33 02/13/21 Sat Does anyone remember what Susie Proffitt looked like at Miss America? It's too bad that she competed in the Dorothy Benham year. She was gorgeous! Plus, her wardrobe was killer. It's too bad that she didn't make the 10, but I'm sure she was close. She was at a recent reunion of Miss NC's and still looks pretty much the same. (NT) -- No name, 21:47:29 02/17/21 Wed (NT) -- PikachusWorld, 22:16:47 02/17/21 Wed She did a tap routine to �Baby Face� (NT) -- No name, 12:34:44 02/18/21 Thu Yes, that was back when Miss America/Miss USA and State Queens looked and dressed like movie stars (NT) -- No name, 21:31:58 02/20/21 Sat How did she do? I couldn't watch. (NT) -- No name, 21:34:17 02/20/21 Sat Gracie was T15. Should've made T5 in my opinion. (NT) -- No name, 00:35:49 02/21/21 Sun They are apparently not going after beauty anymore. (NT) -- No name, 13:41:57 02/21/21 Sun The winner was "Most Photogenic" (NT) -- No name, 02:14:27 02/22/21 Mon Thx (NT) -- R, 08:06:11 02/14/21 Sun I wonder if Betty ever thought abt USA (NT) -- D, 15:44:07 02/14/21 Sun No (NT) -- No name, 09:08:47 02/15/21 Mon She said if she wasn�t under contract with MAO to do another pageant she would�ve gone for it (NT) -- No name, 09:25:39 02/15/21 Mon Erin Snow looks gorgeous! Lots of gorgeous ladies. (NT) -- Tnt, 00:23:20 02/18/21 Thu (NT) -- No name, 01:19:06 02/21/21 Sun (NT) -- No name, 01:21:31 02/21/21 Sun Top 5 (NT) -- No name, 01:23:39 02/21/21 Sun 1RU: Erin Snow;2RU: Hollyn Adams;3RU: Sabrina Lewis; 4RU: Christell Foote (NT) -- No name, 02:10:30 02/22/21 Mon The girl on the bottom left is absolutely stunning. How did she do? (NT) -- No name, 18:05:09 02/21/21 Sun She's the gorgeous Christelle Foote, who placed 4th RU. She's competed a few times before & placed every time. She's lovely. (NT) -- No name, 11:32:22 02/22/21 Mon (NT) -- Top 15, 01:25:52 02/21/21 Sun Gracie Abercrombie; Shayla Farmer; Jordan Meachum; Aja Murray; Randelle Nataki Shaunii Rawls; Bridget Robinson; Alix Troupe; Vanessa Van Dyke ;Olivia Wamack (NT) -- No name, 02:13:30 02/22/21 Mon (NT) -- No name, 13:38:00 02/21/21 Sun The teen is gorgeous. Loved her photos from the pageant. (NT) -- No name, 15:22:54 02/22/21 Mon The new Miss GEorgia zuSA graduated from Auburn University and was in Miss Alabama one year. She won swimsuit but I don�t think she made top ten. (NT) -- No name, 22:35:25 02/21/21 Sun Beautiful girls! (NT) -- No name, 01:16:49 03/01/21 Mon Interesting that USA and America systems have pretty much co-existed amicably. Volunteer should follow suit and not try to denigrate MAO. Just makes you look bad. (NT) -- No name, 19:41:58 03/01/21 Mon

Subject: Alabama has all candidates up. My top three are Ashland Winkler, Chandler Mordecai and Lauren Bradford. I was hoping someone could answer this?? Is Collins Mcmurray on the reality show The Chrisleys?? I think she is Savannah friend.
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Meant to say Savannahs friend. Also the girls name is Ashlyn and my phone keeps spelling Ashley. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:48 03/01/21 Mon

Subject: https://youtu.be/74qF79YbPmg
Author: KORY [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:20:23 02/28/21 Sun Watch "Interview with Miss America 2001 Angela Perez Baraquio" on YouTube [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 03:25:49 03/01/21 Mon

Subject: Black History Month - Part Two
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:04:14 02/17/21 Wed First winners for state - after 1983 - (after first Black Miss America Vanessa Williams 1983) 1984 - Alaska - Mary Line Blackburn 1984 - DC � Desiree Keating 1984 � Minnesota � Lauren Green 1984 � Illinois � Ruth Booker 1984 � Louisiana � Anuita Whitaker 1984 � Oregon � Renee Bagley 1987 - Mississippi � Toni Seawright 1989 � Missouri - Debbye Turner 1992 � Vermont � Nicole Gentry 1992 � Oklahoma � Dusharme Carter 1992 - Kansas � Pam McElvy 1993 � New Mexico �Sherron Melton 1993 - Ohio � Titulayo Adedorun 1993 - Alabama � Kalyn Chapman 1993 - South Carolina � Kim Aiken 1995 � Arizona - Cara Jackson 1998 - Pennsylvania � Mayra Acosta 2000 - Michigan � Chevonne Burton 2003 - Florida � Ericka Dunlap 2003 - Virginia � Nancy Redd 2004 � Virgin Islands � Kanilla Callender 2004 - Georgia � Danica Tisdale 2007 - Texas � Shilah Phillips 2011 - Rhode Island � Deborah Saint-Vil 2013 - North Dakota � Rosie Sauvageau 2017 - West Virginia � Tamia Hardy 2018 - Massachusetts � Gabrielle Zayres 2019 � Tennessee � Brianna Mason 2019 - Maine � Carolyn Brady There have been about 125 Black women who have competed at the Miss America Pageant. corrections, additions wanted. Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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...do "half black" contestants count has being a first black winner of a state pageant? I think you missed one or two if that is the case. (NT) -- I do not think there is a box to check on race on pageant applications---is there?, 16:52:30 02/17/21 Wed who are the contestants you are referring to? (NT) -- No name, 19:32:57 02/17/21 Wed What's "half-black"? Like a twist ice cream cone? (NT) -- They're black or they're white., 16:03:07 02/20/21 Sat It means they have one parent who is white and one parent who is black. And yes you can definitely be both. President Barack Obama was half-black because his mother was white. Vice President Kamala Harris is half-black because her mother was Asian. (NT) -- very possible, 22:36:35 02/25/21 Thu You clearly missed my sarcasm. There is no such thing as IDENTIFYING as "half" anything. Obama did not identify as white, even though he had a white mother. He's black. Kamala does not identify as Asian, but black. See how it only goes one way? (NT) -- It's called "mixed race"., 15:01:40 02/27/21 Sat Wrong. Obama said he identified as a black man because that's how he was treated by white people including the ones who raised him. Kamala has identified as black, Indian, Asian, it really just depended on when it was, what she was doing and what was most advantageous to her. In college she was black but when sworn into the Senate she was Asian. There are more examples of her claiming Indian than anything else. With both of them, when their race is described in print, yes Obama is referred to as black even if he is half black but Kamala is almost always referred to as both black and Asian. Last, biracial and mixed race are not synonymous. You cannot be "black" with one whole non-black parent. A white woman and an Indian woman cannot birth a black baby. You are biracial at best. Half black. Mixed race isn't accurate either because many native black Americans are "mixed race" due to legacy of slavery with the average native black American having 20 to 25% non-African lineage. (NT) -- You have no idea what you are talking about. People identify as half and biracial all the time., 01:13:20 02/28/21 Sun CC Barber, Miss Oregon 2009? (NT) -- No name, 17:11:29 02/17/21 Wed Absolutely!!! (NT) -- No name, 19:02:55 02/17/21 Wed Which states have never had a Black winner? (NT) -- No name, 17:40:00 02/17/21 Wed Wyoming? (NT) -- No name, 18:45:20 02/17/21 Wed Cheryl Johnson 1974 Wyoming is listed on the other History post (NT) -- No name, 19:35:33 02/17/21 Wed Not sure but believe Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Utah, Wisconsin (NT) -- No name, 19:40:09 02/17/21 Wed For Miss USA, states that have never had a Black winner are Arkansas, Maine, Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming. (NT) -- No name, 15:06:37 02/21/21 Sun 1995 Michele Harris, Delaware (NT) -- No name, 17:56:15 02/17/21 Wed .....Nice to mention Michelle, however Delaware's first black Miss Delaware was Day Deborah Rica Lipford in 1976. (NT) -- Additionally made history as the first black woman to be a Miss A. semi-finalist., 18:44:29 02/17/21 Wed VT 2003 -- No name, 18:13:58 02/17/21 Wed It is Anita Whitaker and you missed Miss Louisiana 2000 and 1st runner up to Miss America - Faith Jenkins (NT) -- No name, 21:26:57 02/17/21 Wed and Miss Louisiana 2018 and 2nd runner up to Miss America - Holli' Conway (NT) -- No name, 21:32:10 02/17/21 Wed I think some of you need to read the post. The OP is referring to the FIRST black winners from each state (NT) -- No name, 20:10:22 02/27/21 Sat California- Simone Stephen�s 1987 (NT) -- No name, 11:49:11 02/18/21 Thu So the first Southern state to send a Black delegate to Miss America was AR and oddly enough, AR remains the only Southern state to have not sent a Black delegate to Miss USA. On the flip side, the first Southern state to send a Black delegate to Miss USA was TN (1990) yet TN was the last Southern state to send a Black delegate to Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 15:00:47 02/18/21 Thu Miss Kentucky 1973, Lyda Lewis, is the first Black woman to win a state title representing a Southern state. (NT) -- No name, 15:12:46 02/18/21 Thu Lyda was also only the third black woman to compete at Miss America. She's a friend. She's still a babe! (NT) -- No name, 15:32:07 02/18/21 Thu To be a southern state, Kentucky has crowned several black winners. After Lydia Lewis, I recall off the top of my head, Monica Hardin, Veronica Duka, and Clark Davis. (NT) -- No name, 21:36:33 02/21/21 Sun I believe Miss Michigan 1994, Maria Malay Kamara, is the first Black woman to win the Miss Michigan title. (NT) -- No name, 15:09:14 02/18/21 Thu Yes, thank you for that correction. Interestingly found an article stating her father was from Liberia (NT) -- No name, 19:39:53 02/19/21 Fri Was LaTonya Hall the first for Colorado? (NT) -- No name, 11:10:12 02/20/21 Sat No, Sheliah Wilkins was the first black Miss Colorado in 1980. La Tonya Hall crowned Maya Walker who was also Black. (NT) -- No name, 14:25:08 02/20/21 Sat Thanks, I couldn't remember if Sheliah was black. Interesting about Maya, she was bi-racial. Her father was black and her mother Japanese. She was stunningly beautiful when she competed. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:35 02/20/21 Sat Did not know that Maya Walker was black (NT) -- Steve, 19:39:26 02/24/21 Wed 1/2 black and 1/2 Japanese. And beautiful as all get out. (NT) -- No name, 00:10:35 02/25/21 Thu 2007-08: 4 of them--Mississippi (Kimberly Nicole Morgan), District of Columbia (Shayna Yvonne Rudd), South Carolina (Crystal Garrett), Pennsylvania (Rachel Marie Brooks) (NT) -- No name, 20:33:00 02/20/21 Sat Excuse me--I forgot Janeisha John (Miss Virgin Islands). So there are 5 of them for 2008. (NT) -- No name, 20:41:08 02/20/21 Sat Miss Michigan USA 1967 was Sonja Dunson , very deserving winner. Michigan USA has crowned over 9 African Americans and seem to always pick a good contestant. Miss Michigan also had Octavia Reece and Che'Vonne Burton. I think the pageant girl from California should have gone to Miss America. Her name was Angel Blue. (NT) -- No name, 10:22:08 02/22/21 Mon 1990 Miss Illinois, Marjorie Vincent :) (NT) -- No name, 11:34:06 02/22/21 Mon Marjorie wasn't the first to win IL, read again. (NT) -- No name, 12:01:52 02/24/21 Wed 1/2 black - I think a more politically correct term might be biracial. (NT) -- No name, 07:54:26 02/26/21 Fri And ten years ago it wasn't politically correct to refer to someone as black. Let's see where the trend goes in six months. (NT) -- No name, 14:21:00 02/28/21 Sun

Subject: Please share for Presley
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:54:51 02/28/21 Sun https://www.facebook.com/thepresleybarker/videos/1151269198656702 Presley Barker Hey y�all! Here�s a little Chris Stapleton song for ya �Starting Over� I�d love for you guys to help me SHARE it. Thanks so much! Keep watching American Idol you never know when you might see me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Why are MAO local titleholders being discouraged from wear crowns and sashes? Isn�t the crown and sash significant branding for the organization?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:00:42 02/15/21 Mon Why are MAO and MAOT local titleholders being discouraged from wearing crowns and sashes? Isn�t the crown and sash significant branding for the organization? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's been that way since Gretchen. MAO is not a pageant, it's just a competition now. Leadership at MAO think that being less glamorous and beautiful will help the program. Crowns and sashes don't go with that. MAO doesn't know who they are or have an identity now. They want social justice and platform warriors (which they won't do anything with if you win Miss America anyway), but that's what they think. They're worried about pretty or beautiful winners will deter girls from competing. No longer allowed. (NT) -- No name, 14:19:52 02/15/21 Mon Who says they are? In my state we totally encourage it (NT) -- No name, 14:21:36 02/15/21 Mon Shantel is discouraging it. -- No name, 15:49:42 02/15/21 Mon I have been on multiple calls with her and she is NOT discouraging it (NT) -- No name, 13:31:12 02/17/21 Wed She is not discouraging it. She only said for the titleholders to learn when and where a crown/banner is appropriate. And that there are times at appearances that they are not. (NT) -- No name, 21:20:36 02/19/21 Fri Intelligent, successful, beautiful women are not unique these days. Put a Miss America crown and sash on one of them! That's what people want to see, and what sponsors want. (NT) -- No name, 16:03:48 02/15/21 Mon Leonard Horn tried to get of the crown, and just have a crown pin. They wanted to get rid of the "Beauty Queen" label and more the scholarship competition and a little later emphasis on platforms. In 1998 state winners could not wear crowns at all at the finals, only the crowning of the announcement of Miss America. ie it has been around for years to get rid of the "pageantry" (NT) -- No name, 11:22:45 02/17/21 Wed ooops - Horn tried to GET RID of the crown (NT) -- No name, 11:28:26 02/17/21 Wed yep, and that's why for many years the cover of the Miss America Program had the reigning titleholder holding the crown in her hand or standing there with it on her wrist, like a bracelet. While there's no excuse for the bad decisions of the last five years, so much of this downward slide started under Leonard Horn in the 1990's. Unfortunately, many years of bad decisions and poor leadership have only exacerbated the problem. (NT) -- No name, 12:48:05 02/17/21 Wed What does that mean no crowns at the finals but only Amat crowning Miss America? (NT) -- d..., 01:50:29 02/19/21 Fri This is right on! This all started years ago and you can pinpoint platforms as the problem. People in general watched to see a pretty girl win. Once winners began to win who the general public did not understand how they won �then Miss America ran into less viewership. Back in the 1990�s, young high school and college kids called Miss America the �gimp pageant�. That does not put a good light on your contestants or the pageant as a whole. Plus, pageants are no longer of that much interest. Times have changed in America. Scholarship opportunities are now abundant for women. Thus, the pool of contestants has declined. (NT) -- No name, 15:45:19 02/18/21 Thu Why would they have called Miss America "the gimp pageant?". Please explain. I never heard that before. (NT) -- No name, 13:50:56 02/21/21 Sun The problem with MAO is that other companies and organizations learn from mistakes and make positive changes to counter the negative reaction to bad changes. MAO never has done this. Or rarely. (NT) -- No name, 16:13:51 02/18/21 Thu I haven't heard anything about being discouraged from wearing a crown and sash. (NT) -- No name, 17:28:39 02/18/21 Thu Well if they don't want them wearing them. then that will save my "COMPETITION" about $250 a year per titleholder! Thanks GRETCH! I hope they understand they wont get their kickback payments from The Crowne Shoppe or The Sash Store either .... (NT) -- No name, 18:28:54 02/26/21 Fri Like I said they aren�t discouraging them they just want them to know when it�s appropriate to wear them. While it�s fine to wear them at a school or big event, wearing. crown at a appearance where you talk about homeless or sexual assault might not be a great idea. (NT) -- No name, 19:16:13 02/27/21 Sat

Subject: Kirsten Haglund was one of my favorite titleholders
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Subject: Laura Kaeppeler is one of my favorite Miss America titleholders.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:24:14 02/22/21 Mon Is she married? Does she have children? Where does she live? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kaeppeler (NT) -- No name, 20:32:15 02/22/21 Mon Very nice to hear she is pregnant with her second child. (NT) -- No name, 19:03:30 02/23/21 Tue She was pregnant with her 2nd child a year ago and now he is a 1 yr old. (NT) -- No name, 20:22:32 02/23/21 Tue The wikipedia write-up needs updating. (NT) -- No name, 04:05:00 02/24/21 Wed Laura did a great job during her year, but my personal preference was and is Betty Thompson (NT) -- me, 15:30:04 02/25/21 Thu I liked Betty and Laura, and when it came down to them as the final two, I knew I'd be happy with the result, no matter the choice. (NT) -- No name, 20:21:26 02/25/21 Thu Loved Laura's EG (NT) -- No name, 18:13:19 02/26/21 Fri

Subject: On this day in pageant history
Author: . [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:04:47 02/17/21 Wed For those who remember this exactly 34 years ago tonight or for those who were not yet born, it was on this day, Thursday, February 17, 1987, when CBS aired the 1987 Miss USA pageant from the Tingley Coliseum (affectionally known by locals as the so-called "Cow Palace") in Albuquerque, New Mexico. It was the first and last time that the state hosted the Miss USA pageant At the time, this pageant featued the largest amoung of past Miss America contests (two which made the top 11 semi-finalists): Arizona-USA, Diane Lynn Martin (Miss Arizona 1985)--Second runner-up Mississippi-USA, Katharine Clare Manning (Miss Mississippi 1984 and Miss America second runner-up)--top 11 Indiana-USA, Alecia Rae Masalkoski (competing as Alecia Rae) (Miss Michigan 1985, Miss America semi-finalist ) non-finalist Lousisiana-USA, Carol Carter (Miss Louisiana 1985)--non-finalist *Wisconsin-USA, Regina Maria Part (two-time Miss Wisconsin finalist)---non-finalist The 1987 Miss USA pageant was the final year that Bob Barker hosted the national pageant after 20 consecutive years (1967-1987), and he also hosted Miss Universe three months later in Singapore which his 1987 contract required. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhhwun2JUuY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7GMtjt0EFo This was one of a few years when the reigning Miss Teen-USA also competed in the Miss USA competition as Miss Universe, Inc. attemppted to have one become the "Triple Crown of Beauty"--it never happened with teenage girls competing against 20-24 year-olds. Outgoing Miss USA 1986, Christiane Crane "Christy" Fichtner (who was crowned in May 1986 in Miami, Florida) had one of the shortest reigns due to the Miss USA pageant moving from the normal May schedule to February in 1987. The North Dallas, Texas native and first runner-up to Miss Universe 1986, was the second of what would be five back-to-back Texan Miss USA winners. Exactly 34 years later, wondering what Christy and successor Michelle are doing these days?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_USA_1987 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I will say the pageant screwed Albuquerque and its busnesses out of thousands in unpaid hotel bills and the like. They did the same thing years later in Branson. (NT) -- No name, 20:33:11 02/17/21 Wed ...not sure about hotel rooms---as Miss Universe works with the host city on allowance of required/needed amount of hotel rooms from sponsoring hotels in the host city. Actually that is one of the perks to get a Miss USA or Miss Teen-USA pageant (NT) -- to a bidding city---which can provide hotels, meals, and other required items., 20:48:40 02/17/21 Wed Diane Martin looked totally different from when she competed for Miss America 1985. (NT) -- No name, 21:28:40 02/17/21 Wed Michelle Royer lived in Pittsburgh for many years and worked with Chet on his MAO girls. (NT) -- No name, 22:51:12 02/17/21 Wed Click In for details. There was over 100 K in dispute. -- No name, 01:48:15 02/18/21 Thu ....The 1987 Miss USA pageant held in New Mexico exactly 34 years ago last night was one of my favorite all-time Miss USA pageants. Loved the mix of two songs into one opening production number and the fashion swimsuit presentation taped around the city to promote tourism---something not well done in recent years. They are lucky to get cities to bid to host Miss USA in recent years. The parade of state costumes was always a nice treat and different from Miss America. (NT) -- Michelle Royer was a nice winner (got 2nd runner-up at Miss Universe) and loved the gown competition, 17:31:20 02/18/21 Thu Royer was one of the former Miss Texas contestants that spoke to life magazine about b don magness that resulted in him resigning. She was actually a favorite of his and despite not making the top 10 at Miss Texas during her two tries. (NT) -- No name, 18:26:26 02/18/21 Thu does anyone have a copy of that article? (NT) -- Would love to see what Royer and others, said!, 16:11:19 02/21/21 Sun Kathy Manning should have been top 5 at USA (NT) -- No name, 20:39:51 02/20/21 Sat Yes indeed. (NT) -- No name, 10:22:38 02/21/21 Sun Miss Teen USA participation -- robert (book), 21:16:23 02/20/21 Sat Miss Teen USA winners competed at Miss USA during their reigns, twice. In 1984, The 83 and 84 teens competed at USA, and Allison brown in 1986, also competed at USA during her Teen reign. (NT) -- JS, 21:34:42 02/20/21 Sat No kidding....when why was Ruth Zakarian (1983) and Cherise Haugen (1984) in the 1984 Miss USA pageant?? (NT) -- Video time 2:50---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91uNyqPDlLg, 22:20:11 02/20/21 Sat Sorry -- robert, 10:26:53 02/21/21 Sun ..lol. I am glad that these people set the record straight. And you lived to tell about it Robert! Since we have not seen you post here before (at least with your name shown) it would be best to check facts before posting to prevent "pageant experts" from correcting you in a nice or sarcastice manner. By the way......three Miss Teen-USA winners competed at Miss USA as Miss Teen-USA, however, additionally four former title-winners later competed at Miss USA (Kelly Ann Hu, 1985, as Miss Hawaii-USA 1993/Brandi Sherwood, 1989, as Miss Idaho-USA 1997/Jamie Solinger, 1992, as Miss Iowa-USA 1998/ and Shauna Gambill, 1994, as Miss California-USA 1998). -- Only Brandi Sherwood became Miss USA when she assumed the 1997 title., 17:38:29 02/21/21 Sun Jamie was the only Miss Teen-USA winner whose crowning was taped and not actually on live tv...all because of the (NT) -- because of the hurricane threat. Two different out-comes were recorded then., 16:20:08 02/26/21 Fri

Subject: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1990/11/22/pageant-member-ousted/627fff38-140a-46ac-acca-6827a203f0c6/
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Subject: Congratulations to Miss Connecticut 2014
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:43:46 02/24/21 Wed (and triple crown winner) Acacia Courtney who announced her engagement this week to her intended Miguel Clement. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Congratulations! I look forward to cheering her on in Mrs. Pageants (NT) -- No name, 11:47:42 02/24/21 Wed I hope not. Mrs pageants are ridiculous. She needs to move on with her life and close the chapter on pageants, now that she's had that experience and was quite successful in that part of her life. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:55 02/24/21 Wed I think she has moved on. Life goes on after pageant world, and she has established a nice career for herself. (NT) -- No name, 13:30:04 02/24/21 Wed Thanks for sharing. I didn't know Acacia had gotten engaged. I've worked with 100s of pageant girls in my lifetime and I can tell you that Acacia is in the top 5 for nicest and sweetest girls I've ever dealt with. Much good luck to the couple. (NT) -- No name, 17:46:37 02/24/21 Wed

Subject: Congratulations to Miss San Diego County Volunteer 2021, Caroline Azer!
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Was there an actual pageant or was she assigned by the directors (NT) -- LucidDreams, 13:46:36 02/21/21 Sun There were 4 contestants. (NT) -- No name, 18:54:03 02/21/21 Sun (NT) -- No name, 01:19:03 02/23/21 Tue Caroline is an honors student at @uofsandiego where she is active in @usd.phide @usdbrigades and @usdkkg in addition to studying Behavioral Neuroscience and Biomedical Ethics. In the future she plans to attend medical school and pursue a Master�s Degree in Global Health. Caroline is looking forward to becoming involved with @doctorswithoutborders to further her platform of Health and Wellness Advocacy. (NT) -- No name, 01:20:20 02/23/21 Tue Were they assigned or was there a pageant? (NT) -- LucidDreams, 15:13:41 02/24/21 Wed They held a virtual pageant. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:24 02/24/21 Wed

Subject: Love songs at Miss America
Author: . [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:30:33 02/14/21 Sun Curious to know how many women made it to Miss America singing "My Funny Valentine" and how did they place? I know Miss Texas, Rhonda Morrison sang the sentimental song in 1991 when she was among the top ten, but anyone else? And also any other Valentine's related songs to make the finals, besides these that I recall: I recall Miss Tennessee, Dana Renee Brown sang "I Can't Give You Anything but Love, Baby" in 1990 and Miss Tennessee, Stephanie Wittler sang "I Will Always Love You" in the 2009 top ten which was the same song that Miss Virginia, Nancy Glisson sang in the 1993 finals when she was also a semi-finalist and then fourth runner-up. Miss Texas 1990, Suzanne Elizabeth Lawrence sang "Sweet Dreams" in the most sultry tasteful way and made top ten and won third runner-up that year. She passed away at 34 in August 2003. Additionally, Miss Colorado, Karrie Lee Mitchell sang the Mariah Carey hit song "Vision of Love" and Miss Mississippi, Wanda Gayle Geddy used "More Than You Know" to make the semi-finals in 1983 and place third runner-up. While not among the semi-finals in 1984, Miss Florida, Lisa Veldez sang "Through the Eyes of Love", however Miss Washington 1980, Doris Hayes sang "Love Is Here to Stay" to place in the semi-finals. Sadly, next month marks the one-year anniversary of her passing at age 59, told here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tribnet/obituary.aspx?n=doris-janell-hayes-clark&pid=195875805&fhid=23431 Any other Valentine's type songs made it big at Miss America...or used in the preliminary competitions who did not make the semi-finals? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A Miss Illinois opened a prelim night singing "Hello Young Lovers" but I could not tell you her name or what year it was. (NT) -- No name, 23:47:44 02/14/21 Sun Sara Helena Martin, 1993 (NT) -- No name, 01:51:30 02/15/21 Mon Miss Ohio 1980 Kathy Vernon did a medley of "I Have Dreamed" from The King & I and "I Loved You Once in Silence" from Camelot. (NT) -- No name, 09:35:13 02/15/21 Mon Won't get counted, but amazing choice and good enough. Leigh Taylor Smith - New York when they really should have won. Kerrigan and Loudermilk. "Say the Word" or otherwise "Stay". And I'm not from NY or Virginia. (NT) -- No name, 16:29:28 02/15/21 Mon Sorry - Leigh did make the semi so apologies for my mistake. (NT) -- No name, 16:31:13 02/15/21 Mon Julianne Hackney, Miss Indiana 1999, My Man (NT) -- No name, 16:55:27 02/15/21 Mon Mississippi, Kathy Manning, Crazy; Susan Akin, You're My World; Kimberly McGuffie, Inseparable; Cherry Busby, My Funny Valentine (NT) -- No name, 17:04:08 02/15/21 Mon Laurie Saarinen, Miss Minnesota 1982 also sang " My Man". (NT) -- No name, 19:42:57 02/15/21 Mon Miss Michigan 2000 Che'Vonne Burton made Top Ten with "Almost Like Being In Love/This Can't Be Love". Unfortunately, that was the first year talents were cut to only 5 performances for finals. (NT) -- We were so disappointed about that change. :-(, 21:18:53 02/15/21 Mon nope it was the second year. The first year of five talents was 1999 when Heather French won. (NT) -- No name, 21:52:33 02/15/21 Mon Yeah......we had wanted to see Miss Wisconsin's classical Italian love song which got her in the top ten. Oddly enough, Mary-Louise Kurey did not get to sing "Il Bacio" (The Kiss Waltz) in 1999, however coincidentally (NT) -- she helped Miss Wisconsin 2011, Laura Marie Kaeppeler with the song and became Miss America 2012., 22:28:58 02/15/21 Mon How timely for this question to be asked last night--Valentine's Day. We all need a good love song---especially at the Miss America pageant. Miss Pennsylvania 1998, Mayra Acosta sang "To Love You More" by Celine Dion, however Mayra did not place. Miss Utah 1985, Gina Larsen did not place in the semi-finals at Miss America when she sang the 1977 ballad "Greatest Love of All" which later became a hit for Whitney Houston in 1985. Miss South Carolina 1973, Fran Riggins sang (NT) -- "All the Things You Are" the musical "Very Warm for May" but did not place in the semi-finals., 22:04:13 02/15/21 Mon Michelle Warren, Miss America 1997, "You're Gonna Love Me" (NT) -- No name, 22:35:10 02/15/21 Mon Well that is a stretch.......Michelle's song was "And I Am Telling You" from Dreamgirls. (NT) -- No name, 23:49:15 02/15/21 Mon ....a strecth as thinking that Michelle was Miss America 1997 vs actually being Miss North Carolina of 1997?? (NT) -- Or what? Did she sing a that or another "Dream Girls" song to win Miss North Carolina in 1997?, 23:07:00 02/16/21 Tue She sang the same song at Miss NC with the same dress and earrings. Gurl was ready to slay the stage in Atlantic City on her was to a prelim talent win and a 1st runner up placement to Kate Shindle. (NT) -- No name, 17:54:09 02/17/21 Wed I was there on her preliminary talent night at Miss NC. When she finished, there was a couple of seconds of silence because the audience was just stunned. One of the best 2-3 talent presentations ever at Miss NC. When she won, people were already talking about how lucky for her 1st runner-up that she would be Miss NC after Michelle won Miss America. Then.....Kate Schindle happened. (NT) -- No name, 00:02:19 02/18/21 Thu ...a unique question to ask (and on Valentine's Day, of course). However, aren't most classical opera songs about romance and love or the lost love a woman or man feels? (NT) -- Kind of shocked barely mentioned any classical love arias by contestants., 16:33:01 02/17/21 Wed Exactly a week later and no classical love songs at Miss America? That question asked last Sunday (Valentine's Day) asked about love songs. Were there not many romance arias sung at Miss America? (NT) -- There must have some classical vocal songs in English or Italian right?, 23:05:37 02/21/21 Sun

Subject: Congratulations to Miss Lakeville (MA), Jackie O�Keefe!

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Jackie has earned her Bachelors in Arts and Entertainment Management. She also received her Masters degree this past spring in Student Affairs Administration in Higher Education, with the hopes of becoming a Dean of Students at a higher education institution. Jackie is currently the Community Director for Lakeside Hall at Springfield College where she runs a residence hall, and she also helps to coordinate logistics or quarantine housing (she is know as the �Quarantine Queen�). We are delighted to have Jackie represent Lakeville on the Miss Massachusetts stage in June where she will promote her social impact initiative �Fresh Check Day: Strengthening Mental Health in College Students�.

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An Orange County native, Kelly is a senior at @ucsandiego double majoring in Political Science and History with an emphasis in Public Law and Pre-Professional Law. At UCSD she is active in the Alpha Chi Omega Fraternity and @ucsdspeechanddebate. This aspiring attorney and public servant has volunteered as a campaign intern for Todd Gloria and at @someonecaressoupkitchen in addition to raising awareness about Domestic Violence. Give her a follow at @misslajollavol!

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Subject: Miss Spirit of Indiana 2021 is Nina Harshman. She is new. Her talent is flute. She was 1ru in the 2020 pageant and Hannah will be getting married before Miss Indiana
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Subject: Podcast: Empowering women crowning achievement for Miss America
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:27:31 02/18/21 Thu https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/special/podcasts/2021/02/17/podcast-empowering-women-crowning-achievement-miss-america/6783742002/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Totally enjoyed hearing from Camille in this podcast. (NT) -- No name, 18:52:44 02/18/21 Thu Great job! (NT) -- No name, 19:09:54 02/18/21 Thu Fascinating in many ways! Before she began to speak, I would not have recognized her. Very lowkey appearance. I was interested to learn of her illness and wondered how someone who claims "I can get burned out very quickly" thought she would do with the job of Miss America? She was uncomfortable in being questioned about coming from a pageant family, but I was glad to see she had slowed down her delivery. Maybe it was due to the transcription under her, but boy, did she use a lot of ums, you knows and likes. One question I have is about how "busy" she has been as Miss America. Obviously, the pandemic wrecked her year, but Camille & Shantel always make sure they talk about how busy Miss America is. My question is: Can anyone give us insight to her first year schedule? (NT) -- No name, 18:54:33 02/20/21 Sat

Subject: Dublin woman gains TikTok fame with Miss America parodies, comedy skits
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:25:08 02/18/21 Thu https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/dublin-woman-gains-tiktok-fame-with-miss-america-parodies-comedy-skits/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She posted Miss USA talents. Camille commented it was Miss America that did talent & the tiltokker replied, she read about hers .. (NT) -- No name, 21:43:10 02/18/21 Thu So looks like any street creature can achieve tiktok fame. (NT) -- No name, 16:32:57 02/20/21 Sat Link to one of her tictocs -- No name, 16:30:38 02/20/21 Sat Those are funny (NT) -- No name, 16:51:35 02/20/21 Sat

Subject: CELEBRITY FITNESS TRAINER GINA LOMBARDI AND 2012 MISS AMERICA LAURA KAEPPELER LAUNCH HEALTH INTERRUPTED PODCAST
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:29:15 02/18/21 Thu https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/535565600/celebrity-fitness-trainer-gina-lombardi-and-2012-miss-america-laura-kaeppeler-launch-health-interrupted-podcast [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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...what is the importance of the word "interrupted? (NT) -- ., 18:50:51 02/18/21 Thu Ones health or life in general, hits a bump or crisis and is "interrupted". It's a catchy title and sounds interesting to me. (NT) -- No name, 12:39:48 02/19/21 Fri I listened to both episodes, they are pretty good. I recommend listening them. (NT) -- No name, 16:24:15 02/20/21 Sat

Subject: YouTube channel Pannoni10 and Pannoni14 just added tons of DreamGirls USA episodes. Sherry Thrift, Desiree Daniels, Dana Rogers, Kristin Lowenberg(she sings here!), Bobbie Candler, Donna Cherry, I mean tons of Miss America state winners and local ones too!
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So they could be married? Interesting. The age limit had to be 28 (NT) -- No name, 10:29:24 02/20/21 Sat

Subject: Former Indiana first lady Susan Breshears Bayh dies at 61 from cancer
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:36:21 02/06/21 Sat https://apnews.com/article/john-mccain-elections-evan-bayh-indiana-susan-bayh-25ee418c435003ec0e99582d5eb72ced Miss Southern California in 1978 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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While the obituary does not mention it---how did Susan do at the 1978 Miss California pageant.....the year Christine Acton won the crown, providing she competed with Christine that year. People need to get their heads examined for pre-cancer checks (NT) -- ...not wait until they can barely remember something or have hourly head-aches., 16:15:17 02/06/21 Sat Is that local still in existence? (NT) -- No name, 14:57:54 02/07/21 Sun She competed at Miss California USA not Miss California. (NT) -- No name, 18:10:35 02/08/21 Mon Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 22:42:25 02/08/21 Mon Newspapers.com is running a free weekend, and I tried to look up her pageant career and there is not much there. (NT) -- No name, 13:18:57 02/12/21 Fri I'm confused about something. The obituary and other comments stated she was Miss Southern CA in 1978. Some said 1982. I did see she was Miss Pasadena and Miss Glendale in 1982/1983. So do any of you folks know the details of her pageant career? A lot of us who are bonded to Indiana are really sad about this news, and incredibly another Indiana icon (Bob Jenkins) has just announced he has brain cancer too. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:56 02/18/21 Thu

Subject: How many candidates do you need to call a Top 15?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:40:58 02/17/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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at least 15! - lol. I don't know that there's a rule. But in my humble opinion, you shouldn't do a top 10 if you don't have more than 21 contestants, because it basically divides the candidates into two groups of "better half" and "not-so-good half". If you are going to do a top 15, it makes sense that you have 40 or more contestants, then it works. Otherwise go with a Top 10 if you have between 21 and 40. (NT) -- No name, 14:51:02 02/17/21 Wed I once attended a local pageant where there were 7 contestants. Everyone got something except for 2. One of the girls was slightly dingy, so I don't think she even noticed. However, the other one was the daughter of one of the richest guys in town and had sold out most of the auditorium to her friends. It's a pity that they didn't award a high ticket sales winner. Anyway, her mom was a right tight little fireball and she was so angry that she made sure that was the last pageant that little town had. (Ironically, the girl that won, also won State that year.) The Mad Mom incorporated a fake festival title and appointed her daughter the winner and she made appearances as a festival queen for a festival that didn't even exist! lol. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:07 02/17/21 Wed ...hate to ask...what city was this...and did any of the non-winning gals return the next year especially the two lone non-finalist holdouts? (NT) -- All of the seven gals should have at least been given a small bag of gifts., 20:46:39 02/17/21 Wed This was years ago, and no, they did not return as the mom raised such a ruckus that the committee decided to disband. I agree about the gift bag, but the reason the mom was so mad was because of the embarrassment her daughter suffered during the onstage awards. They gave a NFT, Miss Congeniality, (who was 1st RU) , a 3rd -1st runner-up position, and Winner. Too many awards for such a small pool of contestants. No need for NFT and 3rd ru. (NT) -- No name, 21:05:27 02/17/21 Wed If there were scholarships tied to the other awards, they should absolutely be given out. You take a risk when you enter a pageant. You may win or you may finished last. You received something out of the journey, you just don't realize it at the time. (NT) -- No name, 19:02:49 02/18/21 Thu

Subject: Pageant-related death
Author: Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:04:34 02/11/21 Thu The husband of former Miss World USA 1972, Lynda Jean Cordova Carter, the famed "Wonder Woman" actress has died. Businessman Robert A. Altman, 73, died on February 3, 2021 at a hospital in Baltimore due to complications from a medical procedure and was announced today by Lynda: http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/wonder-woman-s-lynda-carter-announces-death-of-husband-robert-a-altman-at-73-the-love-of-my-life/ar-BB1dA6OR?ocid=mailsignout [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So very sorry to hear this. (NT) -- No name, 17:29:38 02/11/21 Thu Anyone know if Arizona native Lynda Carter did any other pageants and if she had to win something like Miss Arizona World to compete for Miss World USA in 1972? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_World_USA_1972 (NT) -- At least she won the 1972 national title and placed top 15 at Miss World in 1972., 19:40:25 02/12/21 Fri I remember her talking at the pageant that she won Miss Phoenix World then Miss World Arizona within weeks of participating in Miss World USA. (NT) -- No name, 07:44:41 02/18/21 Thu

Subject: Black History Month
Author: corrections, additions wanted [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:33:23 02/02/21 Tue A very partial MAO history: 1948 � Thelma Vawter competes for Miss Philadelphia 1948 � Joyce Monroe competes for Miss West Oakland (California) 1956 � First Black float in the Miss America Parade included Miss Apex, Miss Afro-American 1956 � Diane Nash competes in a local (preliminary for Miss Illinois) 1958 � Carolina Smith is a finalist for Miss San Francisco (California) (First winners of a local title): 1959 � Danna Wood wins Miss Chicago South Side (for Miss Illinois) 1959 - Nancy Streets wins Miss Indiana University (Indiana) 1959 - Patricia Ann Williams wins Miss Sacramento (California) 1962 � Barbara Louise Desadier is a finalist for Miss Knoxville (Tennessee) 1962 � Audrey Smaltz competes for Miss New York City 1964 � Ernesdyne Toliver wins Miss Denver (Colorado) 1964 � Omega Loretta Milbourne wins Miss University of Hartford and places 2nd Runner Up to Miss Connecticut 1965 � Sarah Pener wins Miss Rochester (New York) 1966 - Cheryl Pride is a finalist for Miss Tampa (Florida) 1967 � Patty Burnett wins Miss Michigan State University (Michigan) 1967 � Rebekah Ward wins Miss Eastern Pennsylvania and places semi-finalast to Miss Pennsylvania 1968 � NAACP complains of lack of winners in Miss America Preliminaries 1968 � First Miss Black America Pageant partially held in protest 1968 � Miss America Organization request help from NAACP for entries in Miss America preliminaries 1968 � MAO makes available a $1,000 scholarship to NAACP 1968 � Jada Hunter wins Miss Eastern West Viriginia (West Virginia) 1968 � Jennifer Fla wins Miss Medford (Massachusetts) 1968 � Tanya Dennis wins Miss Oakland and places 3rd Runner Up to Miss California 1968 � Dorothy green wins Miss Manhattan then places 1st Runner Up to Miss New York 1969 � Catherine Pope wins Miss Omaha (Nebraska) 1969 � Dr. Zelma George becomes first Black judge 1969 � Rev Kenneth E, MacDonald named to MAO Board of Directors 1970 � Margaret Sherrod wins Miss Prairie View A & M (Texas) 1970 � Pandora Olivia Dixon wins Miss Rockbridge County places in 10 semifinalist for Miss Virginia (First State Winner): 1970 � Cheryl Brown wins Miss Decora then wins Miss Iowa and wins Non-Finalist Talent at Miss America 1971 � Pat Patterson wins Miss Indiana 1973 � Lyda Lewis wins Miss Kentucky 1974 � Cheryl Johnson places 1 RU to Miss Wyoming then assumes title when winner quits 1976 � Deborah Lipford wins Miss Delaware and becomes Top 10 Semi-Finalist at Miss America 1978 � Maryalice Flintroy wins Miss Connecticut 1980 � Sheliah Wilkins wins Miss Colorado 1980 � Lencola Sullivan wins Miss Arkansas places 4th Runner Up to Miss America 1980 � Doris Hayes wins Miss Washington and places top 10 Semifinalist for Miss America 1981 � Robin Harmon wins Miss Maryland 1981 � Natalie Oliver wins Miss New Hampshire 1983 � Suzette Charles wins Miss New Jersey and places 1st runner up to Miss America 1983 � Vanessa Williams wins Miss America Additions, corrections wanted, please. Also want to know more about other Black contestants before the first state winner in 1970. Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If my pageant memory serves me correctly Mary Alice Flintroy in 1978 was a non-finalist Talent winner. And I think she sang "Inseparable". (NT) -- No name, 19:50:54 02/02/21 Tue Thank you (NT) -- No name, 20:48:59 02/02/21 Tue Miss America 1984 in September 1983 they were: New York -Vanessa, New Jersey- Suzette, Maryland-Amy Keys and North Carolina-Deneen Graham (NT) -- No name, 22:03:20 02/02/21 Tue Deneen Graham's second runner-up at Miss North Carolina was also a woman of color. (NT) -- Quite competitive!, 13:02:41 02/05/21 Fri 1956 Lillian Cooper competed for Miss District of Columbia. 1970 Pauletta Pearson won Miss Newton-Conover then 2 RU to Miss North Carolina. (She later became Mrs. Denzel Washington) (NT) -- No name, 22:15:21 02/02/21 Tue Gabriela Tavares was the first black Miss Massachusetts in 2018. Then fourth runner up to Miss America (NT) -- No name, 16:13:13 02/03/21 Wed Just watched The Little Things and remembered the greatness of Denzel. (NT) -- No name, 21:03:39 02/04/21 Thu In WISCONSIN....Beloit, Milwaukee & Racine had many black women compete in those cities in the 1960s/1970s, however the first time the Miss Wisconsin pageant had a black contestant was in 1973--coincidentally, two competed then but did not place in the top ten: Miss Sheboygan, Barbara Ann Stovall, and Miss Wausau, Marva Marie Hemphill. Both Chicago women had attended college in Wisconsin, and Barbara was voted Miss Congeniality. The first black to be a top ten finalist & also the first among the court of honor was Miss Lake Geneva, Darvi Wilburn in 1980. She was chosen third runner-up. The second top ten finalist was Miss Janesville, Emma Gipson of Rockford, Illinois in 1984. The former Miss Rockford 1978, also a preliminary talent winner in 1984.The state has not had a black woman be named Miss Wis...the highest-ever ranked was Miss Racine 2009, Sha-Nita GaNeal Rhea of Beloit (formerly Miss Beloit 2007) who was first runner-up in 2009. In 2018 she became a state open pageant director. (NT) -- Two minorities were Miss Wisconsin (Korean-American sisters) Keungsuk Kim (1981) & Maria Kim (1987)., 16:14:13 02/03/21 Wed 1983 - Deneen Graham becomes first Black woman to win Miss North Carolina. Our second is the current Miss NC Alexandra Badgett. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:39 02/03/21 Wed CORRECT spelling is Cheryl Browne (IA'70) (NT) -- No name, 17:27:55 02/03/21 Wed Wasn't Browne actually a New Yorker attending school in Iowa? (NT) -- No name, 17:42:19 02/03/21 Wed Yes (NT) -- No name, 10:53:10 02/04/21 Thu QUESTION for OP. Sarah Pener, Miss Rochester 1965, was Miss Congeniality and 4th Runner to Miss New York (Patricia Burmiester). So my question is why is Dorothy Screen (not green) mentioned as a first runner-up when Sarah was before her. I promise I am not being rude. I am legit asking because I want to know if I am missing something! (NT) -- No name, 19:25:08 02/03/21 Wed Sorry I was not aware that she had been 4RU, just that she was the first Black woman to compete in NY. Also I tried to go year by year in order. Thank you for your information, appreciate that very much. (NT) -- No name, 12:59:33 02/04/21 Thu Meant to say first to win a local in NY. Thanks again (NT) -- No name, 13:04:46 02/04/21 Thu Patrice McLemore, a beautiful and talented and sassy Black woman was first runner in the mid 70s to Miss Texas (mid-decade, but don't know exact year). The winner that year, Mary Ellen Richardson, never expected to win and balked at signing the contract for a night or two. The MTO officials panicked until they finally got Mary Ellen to sign. Patrice would have charmed everyone if she'd served as Miss Texas. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:47 02/03/21 Wed The 1975 Miss TX pageant is on youtube. (NT) -- No name, 12:09:15 02/04/21 Thu Patrice should have won but it wasn�t going to happen in a Texas back then. (NT) -- No name, 00:23:13 02/06/21 Sat The first Black contestant at Miss Louisiana was Zina Curlee, who placed 1RU in 1980. Anita Whitaker was the first Black Miss Louisiana, winning in 1984. (NT) -- No name, 10:08:53 02/04/21 Thu Thank you for sharing this. Learning always helps, and these trailblazing women deserve a LOT of credit. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:27 02/04/21 Thu After decades of knowing that a black contestant would never win Miss Texas, the first Miss Texas winner who happened to be black was the beautiful and talented Shilah Phillips in 2006. And because of the �powers that be� (before they were booted) she almost didn�t win! Thank God for a set of honest judges who scored and voted the way they wanted to vote, rather than the way they thought the State Executive Director wanted them to vote. Shilah went on to win a Talent Preliminary at the Miss America Pageant and was 1st Runner-up to the beautiful and talented Lauren Nelson from Oklahoma. (NT) -- No name, 20:40:55 02/06/21 Sat Does anyone have a list of the Black winners in the following states: AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN? (NT) -- No name, 01:17:44 02/07/21 Sun TN�s first Black winner was Brianna Mason in 2019. (NT) -- No name, 08:44:12 02/07/21 Sun Are you talking about states or locals? (NT) -- No name, 10:02:29 02/07/21 Sun To clarify, MAO state winners in AL, AR, GA, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN. (NT) -- No name, 19:08:53 02/07/21 Sun NC: 1983, Deneen Graham, 2019, Alex Badgett (NT) -- No name, 22:30:34 02/07/21 Sun MS: Toni Sewright, 1987, Kimberly Morgan 2007, Jasmine Murray 2014 and Asya Branch, 2018. (NT) -- No name, 19:17:43 02/07/21 Sun First state: 1993 - Alabama - Kalyn Chapman; 2004 Georgia - Danica Tisdale (NT) -- No name, 14:25:20 02/09/21 Tue Louisiana winners: 1984� Anita Whitaker. 2000�Faith Jenkins. 2018�Holli� Conway. (NT) -- No name, 03:12:40 02/08/21 Mon SC: Kim Aiken 1993, Crystal Garrett 2007, Daja Dial 2015. Interesting to note from the 2002 pageant (for Miss SC 2003) there were two African American contestants who had superb talent--Patrice Snow and Laura Thomas. Patrice Snow should have won. (NT) -- No name, 13:03:26 02/08/21 Mon I remember Patrice. Very talented, but the powers that be at Miss SC org. wanted nothing to do with her! (NT) -- No name, 13:27:37 02/08/21 Mon OHIO aa beauty queens -- Tim, 22:45:23 02/14/21 Sun *North Carolina* The first black contestant to compete in Miss NC was in 1970. Her name was Pauletta Pearson, Miss Newton Conover. She placed as 2nd runner up in the 1970 Miss NC Pageant. You may now know her by another name...Mrs. Denzel Washington. (NT) -- No name, 15:25:02 02/08/21 Mon There was also another Miss NC runner-up that became Mrs. Charles Bronson. (NT) -- No name, 19:07:33 02/08/21 Mon Didn't know that. (NT) -- No name, 21:32:36 02/08/21 Mon Yes, her name was Kim Weeks and she was a runner-up sometime in the early 90's I believe. She was working for an audio company that was transcribing his second wife's (Jill Ireland) book and when Ireland died of cancer, they started seeing each other. They had been married about five years at the time of his death. (NT) -- No name, 00:30:07 02/09/21 Tue I just googled Kim Weeks and it says she was born in 1960 so she would've had to have competed in the early 1980's (not the 90's). does anyone remember which Miss North Carolina she was first runner-up to and what her local title was? (NT) -- No name, 09:01:13 02/09/21 Tue Kim was Miss Western Piedmont 1986 and was 3rd runner up to Miss NC 1986, Karen Bloomquist (NT) -- No name, 09:37:09 02/09/21 Tue I've seen photos of Kim Weeks. She doesn't look black to me. (NT) -- No name, 18:20:07 02/09/21 Tue She isn't black. I never said she was. The post was in response to another contestant having become Mrs. Denzel Washington. I thought it was interesting that another Miss NC finalist became a Hollywood Wife. I also never said she was 1st runner-up, as someone inferred. I simply said she was a runner-up. In addition, I said I thought it was in the early 90's, but I wasn't sure. As another poster said, it was 1986. I was in the ballpark, but off by about 5 years. (NT) -- No name, 23:44:37 02/09/21 Tue That�s the year I would love to see again Miss North Carolina 1986! I�ve only seen it once when it aired on television. (NT) -- No name, 18:37:25 02/14/21 Sun Yes, so would I. i would also love to see the '72-'75 shows. However, I doubt they exist anywhere on tape. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:01 02/14/21 Sun 1970 Linda Sarah Cofer, Miss Upsala, 2 nd runner up to Miss New Jersey (NT) -- No name, 17:45:17 02/09/21 Tue I�d like to acknowledge Corrine Huff, Miss Ohio USA 1960 and the first black delegate to ever compete at Miss USA; she was also a semi finalist at the pageant. I never see Corrine mentioned much, considering the amount of history she made. But I think she�s one of the more beautiful faces that I�ve seen grace the stage, especially for that era. Fun fact: Corrine actually replaced the original winner of Miss OH USA that year due to that girl not meeting the age requirements. (NT) -- So this bit of Miss USA history almost never happened., 17:50:53 02/09/21 Tue Also USA interesting is that Dorthy Johnson, Miss Idaho USA 1964, was the first Black woman to win a state pageant in any pageant - USA, America, World, International, etc. As mentioned Coriine was 1RU to Miss Ohio in 1960. Also, Dorthy was a top 15 semifinalist for Miss USA 1964. (NT) -- No name, 21:43:55 02/13/21 Sat Interesting......when mentioning the first black winners of Miss America state pageant----no one mentioned that Simone Stephens was the first black to win Miss Califonria in 1987, and the first black Miss Maine was Philadelphia native Carolyn Brady in 2019. The first black Miss Illinois was Ruth Booker in 1984 then followed by Marjorie Judith Vincent in 1990 who later became Miss America of 1991. Additionally, pianist Lauren Susan Green became the first in Minnesota in 1984 and named third runner-up to Miss America of 1985. Green was later a credible (NT) -- news anchor on FOX News...come to think of it, I have not seen her recently. Did she leave FOX?, 23:10:33 02/14/21 Sun It is labelled a very partial history. Maybe the person who made the post was only able to post what they knew and could find. (NT) -- No name, 09:06:28 02/16/21 Tue Tried to list the "firsts" mostly before the first chosen "Miss America". To include every first winner or all winners would have been very very long (NT) -- No name, 18:28:55 02/16/21 Tue I for one appreciate this list. Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 20:48:47 02/16/21 Tue FYI - HARRIET Vawter is the name of the woman who competed in the 1948 Miss Philadelphia pageant - not Thelma. (NT) -- No name, 06:40:01 02/16/21 Tue You right Thank You. Was looking at the article about her but somehow typed the wrong name... ooops - thanks again (NT) -- No name, 18:30:54 02/16/21 Tue ....if MAO was smart they would invite Miss Iowa 1970, Cheryl Browne (the first black woman to compete at Miss America) to be on the judging panel this year--to mark the 50th year anniversary of her historic milestone last year which there was no pageant.If not her than Miss Arkansas 1980, Lencola Sullivan (as last year was her 40th anniversary of being at Miss America and the first black in the (NT) -- Miss America top five) if she can and wants to travel to the USA from her home in Netherlands., 16:00:31 02/17/21 Wed Key statement: If MAO was smart. LOL LOL LOL LOL (NT) -- No name, 17:20:42 02/17/21 Wed

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:42:51 02/09/21 Tue Miss Ohio Volunteer Spokesperson - Genoa Arling! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I cannot believe my eyes. Does she think she is twelve? She needs to sit like a lady. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:22 02/10/21 Wed I wish someone would start a Volunteer page so that I can go there rather than here. That comment above? Ridiculous. Needs to sit like a lady - she's got her feet crossed and a long dress on. Nothing wrong with it. MAO and a lot of their fans need to get their stuff together. This is a nice, tasteful, fun photo instead of the over air-brushed completely fake posed stuff MAO contestants have put out the last few years. Does she think she's twelve? If you sit back on a couch and get your picture taken are you twelve? (NT) -- No name, 15:53:35 02/10/21 Wed Agree. It is a great, fun photo. I am a long time MAO supporter and love it. Please don't judge us all by a few vocal ones. (NT) -- No name, 15:57:45 02/10/21 Wed Seriously?? She looks like she just crawled out of bed and don�t get me started on those shoes! I can�t believe Allison approved this (NT) -- No name, 21:47:58 02/10/21 Wed It doesn�t look like a natural position. I think she was posed in this picture by the photographer. (NT) -- No name, 04:26:48 02/11/21 Thu Awful! (NT) -- No name, 22:41:45 02/10/21 Wed Really? This is what you choose to not approve? What about the opening of the last MA pageant? The girls were laying around on the floor in full length gowns. (NT) -- No name, 01:31:12 02/11/21 Thu Beautiful young lady. Love the gown (NT) -- No name, 10:29:26 02/11/21 Thu I like her first name too, especially her salami. (NT) -- No name, 10:53:32 02/11/21 Thu This is the spokesperson that Miss Ohio Volunteer chose to represent their program and the first impression of their brand. As a contestant wondering what type of titleholder they crown/ who is competitive in this pageant, this says they want a younger/Teen vibe, (which means they don't expect a lot of accomplishments as girls right out of HS haven't had time to make any); while they have gowns and crowns, they are not looking for glamour bc of the everyday makeup and hair; and they crown novices, as she doesn't have the styling and poise of a more experienced contestant (the pose is awkward, plain daytime shoes are wrong with a gown, and rather than making the focus on her facial beauty, I can see the bottom of her foot, coming right at me. Ick! (NT) -- No name, 15:10:26 02/17/21 Wed I get this photo was probably taken right after her crowning (as these shoes would have been hidden under her dress), but first impressions matter. At least set up the photo better. I thought Volunteer was bringing back the glamour and competitiveness in pageantry, but these choices don't convey that. (NT) -- I was hoping for more from Volunteer., 15:25:05 02/17/21 Wed

Subject: Congratulations to PA Volunteer local titleholder Caroline Jones, Miss Commonwealth 2020, and the release of your TEDx Talk!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:19:26 02/16/21 Tue https://youtu.be/Od0m6AaoV7oaoV7 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Wait, I thought the Volunteer system was getting rid of all that jibberish? (NT) -- No name, 01:37:37 02/17/21 Wed It appears this Volunteer contestant gave a real Ted Talk. (NT) -- No name, 10:12:10 02/17/21 Wed

Subject: Introducing Emma Marielle, Miss Belmont Shore Volunteer

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A 2nd Lt Deputy Commander and Health Services Officer in the US Air Force Auxiliary Civil Air Patrol, Emma is also a student at @hopkinsnursing. She is passionate about teaching disaster response and hopes to one day found a non-profit organization whose mission is to build schools in developing countries. Be sure to follow @missbelmontshorevol to keep up with her journey to @misscavol this summer!

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Subject: The 1989 Miss North Carolina Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:18:48 02/11/21 Thu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOkscHJhz0 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Wow! Thanks for posting. I was at that pageant in the audience...32 years ago...wow I�m old lol (NT) -- No name, 20:13:12 02/11/21 Thu Who won (NT) -- No name, 20:25:19 02/11/21 Thu Marjorie Vincent is second runner up here before winning IL and Miss America. I believe the first runner up became a rocket dancer in NY and heard that she competed in Miss NY /placed 2nd but not sure (NT) -- No name, 20:29:53 02/11/21 Thu For some reason the 1989 state pageants seem to be of a very high quality. (NT) -- No name, 21:28:37 02/11/21 Thu That's because it was at a time when talent and interview comprised 70% of the score and talented still counted for something. Platforms were still just emerging and we hadn't evolved to having contestants who looked and acted like Senator's wives. Seeing all of these videos posted on Youtube has brought back such great memories of how and why I enjoyed Miss America, back in the day. (NT) -- No name, 13:54:32 02/12/21 Fri Correct. I think she was in NY the year Helen Goldsby won. (NT) -- No name, 21:39:50 02/11/21 Thu The production sand sponsors, national sponsors, wow. Those were the days. And this winner was the reason that the rules changed for OSQ. (NT) -- No name, 21:34:28 02/11/21 Thu What do you meant "the rules were changed?" (NT) -- No name, 22:44:58 02/11/21 Thu In top 10, they made a rule that contestants were not allowed to ask for another question. (NT) -- No name, 00:32:57 02/12/21 Fri The Fletcher rule: contestants can�t ask for another question ..they implemented it after this happen..Named after her too. (NT) -- No name, 11:59:00 02/12/21 Fri What I found interesting is that her first question wasn't that difficult. How could she not know it, but immediately popped out a great answer to the second question. (NT) -- No name, 13:51:29 02/12/21 Fri There was no doubt in my mind the minute she asked for a second question and then nailed it -- with complete composure the entire time -- that she had talked the crown onto her head. Actually I think she was far enough ahead that it didn't matter. I dont think they were using final ballots at that time. The correct winner was crowned and she was a great Miss NC. (NT) -- No name, 00:48:43 02/14/21 Sun Christina Carole de Matteis (Gr. Raleigh) was 2nd runner up in 1987..came back this year (89) and didn�t make top 10. (NT) -- No name, 22:38:58 02/11/21 Thu NC has that happen a lot. Placing high one year no way guarantees Top 10 the next time. I remember at least 3 first runner-ups not making Top 10 in their next attempt. One of the eventually won. She was 1st runner-up, then not even placing the next year, then winning it all on her 3rd attempt. (NT) -- No name, 23:22:30 02/11/21 Thu I forgot to mention the contestant was MacKenzie Faggart who eventually won a NFT at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 16:18:37 02/12/21 Fri Isn�t her Mother Miss Charlotte/Mecklenburg in the 89 pageant that taps (NT) -- No name, 21:43:16 02/12/21 Fri Please keep posting them! I love watching them all. These were the days!! (NT) -- No name, 14:02:14 02/12/21 Fri Were any of the 1988 runners up back in 1989? (NT) -- No name, 01:11:44 02/13/21 Sat No! 1st runner up aged out, 2nd runner up didn�t competed, 3rd runner up came back 1990 was a preliminary talent winner (piano) but failed to make top 10, 4th runner up didn�t come back...Miss Wilson in 89 who is 3rd runner up here was in the top 10 in 88 (NT) -- No name, 09:49:17 02/13/21 Sat Who were the runners up in 1988? (NT) -- No name, 18:04:25 02/13/21 Sat Thanks for posting. Marjorie changed the ending to her talent piece when she won miss Illinois and miss America. (NT) -- No name, 08:34:14 02/13/21 Sat Same gown for piano at Miss NC 89 and Miss IL 89. She switched for Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 11:01:02 02/13/21 Sat s/b Miss IL 90 (NT) -- No name, 11:06:07 02/13/21 Sat Marjorie carried over he entire wardrobe from Miss NC to wear at Miss IL the next year. After she won Miss IL, she got a new evening gown, which was a Yearick. Her talent outfit for Miss America was done by Mike Nolte in Columbia, MO. (NT) -- No name, 18:01:24 02/13/21 Sat Thanks for sharing. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:23 02/13/21 Sat Love the history! Thanks for the info! (NT) -- No name, 18:47:27 02/13/21 Sat Wow! Thanks for the details. (NT) -- No name, 09:41:54 02/14/21 Sun I thought she had a more regal look at Miss America than at Miss NC. I think she had lost weight and of course was older by a couple of years. (NT) -- No name, 23:27:31 02/14/21 Sun To the North Carolina fonts. If Marjorie came back the following year would she have won? And how did the NC org. feel about her winning Miss America. (NT) -- ., 13:39:50 02/14/21 Sun I don't know if Marjorie would have won. But she also competed at NC because it was convenient for her as a Duke Law Student. Marjorie competed in 1988 at Miss Illinois, for the first time and won talent and made top 10. The next year she went to NC and finished in the top 5. But in her heart, she was a Chicago girl and not a southern woman. She decided to come home and give it one more try and win her home state. She always spoke of her NC experience favorably. Marjorie was 24 when she won her first trip to a state pageant, and was 26 when she won Miss America. So she started late under the former age limit of 26. (NT) -- No name, 21:14:25 02/14/21 Sun I wonder how Marjorie handled the demands of Duke Law, traveling to IL to win Miss Kankakee County, clerking with a NYC law firm during summer, winning Miss IL, getting ready for Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 09:55:31 02/15/21 Mon Thanks for responding. (NT) -- ., 16:11:39 02/15/21 Mon Not from NC, but Scarlet Morgan was unbeatable that year. Won a talent prelim at Miss A. I have read that her interview did her in at Miss A. Is this true? (NT) -- No name, 19:11:54 02/14/21 Sun Yes...unfortunately it was interview (NT) -- No name, 20:03:07 02/14/21 Sun I always thought Morgan was drop dead gorgeous, and had that "Miss America" look, plus a stellar talent. However, I also heard that it was her interview and also someone on the production team at Miss NC said that she was a little bit of a handful to work with. (NT) -- No name, 23:22:37 02/14/21 Sun I was told by a Philadelphia journalist covering the pageant that Scarlet Morgan didn't know who Jesse Helms was during her interview. Also said she was a standout in the looks department yet her interview ruined her chances. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:17 02/15/21 Mon I was told by someone who was closely involved with the miss North Carolina pageant at that time... Jeanne Swanner Robertson, former Miss NC 1963 judged the interview/preliminary nights that year so North Carolina thought for sure they were in...with Scarlet�s talent, looks and Jeanne judging...when she didn�t they went to Jeanne and ask her what the ...Jeanne informed them if you want to make top 10 send someone who�s going to score high/well in an interview.. Virginia ,Colorado ,Pennsylvania Etc..they scored well in interview they made finals. (NT) -- No name, 13:41:12 02/15/21 Mon The NC powers-that-be must've followed Jeanne's advice: next year, NC made top 10. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:04 02/15/21 Mon Yep! (NT) -- No name, 16:35:53 02/15/21 Mon At that time, September 1990, Jesse Helms was up for re-election in a hard fought battle with Charlotte architect and Mayor, Harvey Gantt. At the time it was the most expensive Senate race in US history. If Scarlet Morgan didn't know the infamous Jesse Helms, and the incredibly negative campaign he ran that was getting huge national attention, then that would have definitely done her in and no chance at Top 10, no matter her wonderful talent. (NT) -- No name, 19:04:19 02/16/21 Tue Not a very popular opinion but I'll say it anyway: I never thought Scarlet was all that gorgeous and I wasn't that impressed with her talent. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:44 02/16/21 Tue She was not Miss America material overall. She was awarded what she deserved at Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 20:30:20 02/16/21 Tue Does anyone have copies of Miss NC from 1983-1988 and 1992,1993, 1995. Would love to see those years again! Such a great years. Those were such GREAT times!! (NT) -- No name, 13:50:46 02/15/21 Mon Yes! Yes! Please do. Definitely 1985 and 1986. 1987 was anniversary year. 1992 Heidi Sue Williams year..production were great modern woman, looking for something in red. 1993 the talents Helen opera, Gr Raleigh singing �sister� ...oh and the 4th runner up Fayetteville who sang �I will always love you � from the bodyguard WoW! Would love to see them Again (NT) -- No name, 14:01:17 02/15/21 Mon Another vote to see the 1986 NC pageant (the very underrated Karen Bloomquist). (NT) -- would love to see that, 15:52:26 02/15/21 Mon I was going to put a comment on the YouTube page of the 1989 MC pageant poster but the comments are locked. (NT) -- No name, 18:56:44 02/15/21 Mon

Subject: Will there be a Road to Miss America contest this year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:05:09 02/16/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:07:37 02/03/21 Wed We are beyond excited to hold our inaugural pageant this year, August 12th-15th in Lynchburg, VA. Since we are an at-large pageant, you do not have to win a local competition to apply. Winners will receive thousands in scholarship funds towards education! We can�t wait to see who will be crowned the first ever Miss Virginia Volunteer. Will it be you? Sign up today at www.missvirginiavolunteer.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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WOW! Not much time between winning VA and competing at nationals. Good luck future Miss VA Volunteer🥰 (NT) -- No name, 21:00:04 02/03/21 Wed Gorgeous dress- stand up straight in it so we can see how much more amazing it is on you! (NT) -- No name, 13:08:57 02/06/21 Sat I don't know if this has been answered before but, is talent 90 seconds in the volunteer pageant? (NT) -- No name, 16:20:53 02/08/21 Mon That�s an enormous crown. (NT) -- No name, 21:15:14 02/08/21 Mon No disrespect intended, but there is nothing exciting about this marketing. It actually looks like a rip-off of MAO. Stale. Boring. Dated. (NT) -- No name, 21:47:40 02/08/21 Mon That might be true if MAO wasn�t stale, boring, and dead. And to the person that mentioned the crown being �huge� take a look at the Universe crown from the 70�s 80�s and 90�s when they wore a football goal with beads on their heads. (NT) -- No name, 22:28:47 02/08/21 Mon I agree was this picture from 1980? (NT) -- No name, 10:07:35 02/16/21 Tue Now that's a great classy logo. None of that 2.0 junk. (NT) -- No name, 20:54:09 02/10/21 Wed Love it! (NT) -- No name, 21:19:48 02/10/21 Wed

Subject: Miss Georgia Volunteer Pageant is thrilled to announce Brooke Doss the official spokeswoman of the Miss Georgia Volunteer Pageant. She will crown the first Miss Georgia Volunteer in July 2021.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:07:15 01/20/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm sure this has already been answered but what's the difference between the spokesperson and actual pageant queen? BTW loooooove Brooke and so glad she is involved in whatever capacity. (NT) -- No name, 14:08:13 01/20/21 Wed Each state has a spokesperson/queen that has been selected w/o a competition. She is the voice of the program & helps recruit. They will not compete at nationals this year. (NT) -- No name, 20:23:11 01/20/21 Wed No, not necessarily. Each state has the option to also host a virtual competition and then have jusdges pick their spokesperson. Official guidelines were sent out to interested states. The person selected is not eligible to compete at the state pageant or the national pageant this year. (NT) -- No name, 19:25:41 01/23/21 Sat ah, had not heard of that - ours was appointed (NT) -- No name, 21:45:48 01/27/21 Wed My gosh, she is beautiful! (NT) -- No name, 08:01:06 01/21/21 Thu right?!? and really just the total package- talent/swimsuit/interview winner multiple years at Miss GA but never did win. I will honestly never understand it. (NT) -- No name, 08:49:58 01/21/21 Thu Miss Georgia Org and Miss America foundation owe her $16,000 in scholarships that have not been paid. Ask her. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:58 01/21/21 Thu That is very sad she wasn't paid. There are other Miss and Teen who were never paid by Miss Georgia 2.0 commenting on Donna Bozarth's wall. I don't blame Brooke or the others one bit for being angry. (NT) -- No name, 17:20:10 01/22/21 Fri She never won because MB and GB did not like her. Miss Georgia Board 1.0 owes her the money not 2.0. (NT) -- Fact, 13:21:00 01/21/21 Thu She never won because there were better contestants. (NT) -- No name, 14:12:33 01/21/21 Thu I agree; I always felt she was too �programmed� and just wanted it too much. (NT) -- No name, 18:44:27 01/22/21 Fri Neither of those things are true. No one blackballed her. Regarding scholarships, GA2.0 is responsible for paying all scholarships and like MAO, when a takeover of leadership happens, they assume the debts. There was scholarship funds transferred to GA2.0 but MA erroneously told them they could use it as a "slush fund". That's wrong. Trina should know better. Pay your scholarships. (NT) -- No name, 14:43:46 01/21/21 Thu Yes, I was involved in the takeover of a State Program several years ago, and the old organization is contractually obligated to turn over any unspent scholarship monies to the new group, along with the list of any unpaid scholarship obligations. Once the group in Columbus lost their MAO affiliation and turned over the monies, the obligation to pay past scholarships moved to the new organization. (NT) -- No name, 15:58:11 01/21/21 Thu Trina didn�t pay out her local scholarships so why would she worry about paying out the state scholarships. She knew better. But, yet the locals still in existence support her. (NT) -- No name, 16:11:59 01/23/21 Sat Love her! (NT) -- No name, 18:11:50 01/28/21 Thu It seems like it would be a conflict of interest to have a pageant coach/consultant be your Spokeswoman. (NT) -- IMO, 00:43:10 02/16/21 Tue Is there a separate voy board for the volunteer pageants? It is confusing to see MAO information and volunteer information on the same board. (NT) -- No name, 04:29:37 02/16/21 Tue Guess you could always make one.... (NT) -- No name, 09:05:02 02/16/21 Tue

Subject: Watching USOA Pageant (Teen-Misss-Ms-Mrs) .. not all 50 states repped & a wide variety of shapes, sizes and pageant ability.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:22:09 02/12/21 Fri Not sure what the goal of this pageant is, beyond making money for the owner. Looked back on Insta, they don't do anything after winning. I mean other pay to play pageants (NAM, IJM, MHSA etc) go on group cruises, photoshoots etc. These winners get prizes & sent home (waiting for MMG to call). Makes me wonder what MVA prize package will be [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Well, this was an interesting one to watch. Very long, due to all four categories competing. Certainly lives up to the goal of embracing everyone to be encouraged and lifted up. It is a good starter pageant for teen and miss; IMO, more of the Ms and Mrs were former competitors from other systems (walks, poses, styling much better). -- No name, 11:07:56 02/15/21 Mon Strange pageant. Each contestant did not need five minutes to model in each category. Boring! Husband and wife judges hurt the credibility. I think they may have also been sponsors. (NT) -- No name, 12:01:45 02/15/21 Mon I noted that as well (husband/wife), and some had forever on stage, while others not. (NT) -- No name, 14:20:26 02/15/21 Mon Just going by photos alone, the girl (Nevada) who won the Miss 2020 title looks like a potential Miss USA to me. (NT) -- stunner, 16:48:48 02/15/21 Mon You do realize MAO and MUSA are both pay to play. For MAO it was under the guise of CMN and ad pages. Now it's fee. So they are on equal grounds. Well, actually not, this pay to play will provide you with the money you win. For instance, optional are paid at the pageant. Some pay you the prize for winning at the crowning of the new titleholder. Most of the girls have nice very nice opportunities provided to them along with trips. And the competition week has parties and other events. The glamour of Miss America is gone. We will see what Volunteer does. It's a throwback pageant, which people on this board love, but we will see how it plays out. (NT) -- Some facts, 17:11:01 02/15/21 Mon Duh (NT) -- No name, 17:36:28 02/15/21 Mon USOA national prize package is nothing like NAM/IJM/MHSA. (NT) -- No name, 17:39:53 02/15/21 Mon

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Gorgeous (NT) -- No name, 22:49:14 02/05/21 Fri I never got the static that this girl got in regard to her looks, True, she doesn't look like the "traditional" Miss Texas, but put any other sash on her and she fits right in. Also, her gown was my favorite on finals night. (NT) -- No name, 23:49:08 02/05/21 Fri That's because that's a very flattering photograph. (NT) -- No name, 21:38:52 02/06/21 Sat Need her before and after as an ad for MAO. (NT) -- No name, 00:03:18 02/06/21 Sat An ad that pretty girls are not welcome. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 22:22:45 02/09/21 Tue Another picture without a smile that Texas spins. (NT) -- No name, 20:42:04 02/06/21 Sat Females do not have to have a big goofy smile on their face at all times. (NT) -- No name, 00:11:44 02/07/21 Sun She has beautiful skin. And a fantastic photographer (NT) -- No name, 00:05:10 02/07/21 Sun airbrushed (NT) -- No name, 14:38:11 02/07/21 Sun Beautiful! (NT) -- No name, 10:07:57 02/07/21 Sun Definitely what 2.0 is looking for. (NT) -- No name, 11:47:55 02/07/21 Sun I would say not so much �2.0�. Yes, she made the Top-15 but did not progress any further, so I would say whatever it was that she was bringing was not the �2.0� that the Miss America Organization was looking for. (NT) -- No name, 23:37:28 02/07/21 Sun We all know that HAWT and O'Rican don't like her so some statements just have to be ignored. They're only here to tear down every girl to shreds. (NT) -- 2.0 or not..., 11:45:35 02/08/21 Mon huh? (NT) -- No name, 11:47:23 02/08/21 Mon The are a couple of losers from the USA Board that have no control over their mouths. (NT) -- No name, 20:16:37 02/08/21 Mon I don't think either are posting on this board. (NT) -- No name, 21:13:40 02/08/21 Mon I think she is a beautiful woman, and I'm not lying! Why so negative?! (NT) -- No name, 10:12:11 02/10/21 Wed She is beautiful. Everyone has a right to an opinion and mine is she is beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 11:10:58 02/10/21 Wed she definitely stirred the pot at Miss America, threatening to leave (NT) -- No name, 11:54:24 02/10/21 Wed Huh?? She threatened to leave at Miss America???? Never heard about that. (NT) -- No name, 18:52:11 02/10/21 Wed ask anyone that attended and had passes to visitation, it was the talk. MAO threatened to pull Texas franchise if she didnt stay, so the story goes. Many of the candidates were pissed when Camile won talent, many (NT) -- No name, 22:12:50 02/11/21 Thu I think she is cute! (NT) -- No name, 12:09:09 02/10/21 Wed I don't think that it's right or proper to use words like "ugly" on this board, however I have to say that ever since this girl was chosen Miss Texas almost two summers ago there has been such hyperbole concerning her looks: describing her as stunning and gorgeous. Please, she's an average looker with figure flaws. (NT) -- Plus if she had a Vermont banner on no one would have given her an extra look, 13:42:08 02/10/21 Wed Well they might actually have if she had Vermont on her Banner. They will push a black girl through to look like they're inclusive. She probably would have had a better chance at the top 5 if she were Vermont. But because she's Texas it's a pretty much automatic advance. I didn't get her at all. She's extremely 2.0. The drop of Swimsuit helped a lot but she still would have made it through because of the Texas sash. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:36 02/10/21 Wed Off topic: but speaking of non sash states. I now know why Miss Connecticut made the top 5. I just saw her "Ted Talk" or whatever you call it. This was on IG. Fabulous and she looked like a million bucks to boot. (NT) -- No name, 19:16:11 02/10/21 Wed I agree CT had it all - should have taken the crown! (NT) -- No name, 22:26:35 02/12/21 Fri They should have crowned Alabama. She was fab!! (NT) -- No name, 23:12:01 02/11/21 Thu Did u happen to catch Alabama's various interviews on YT? Just not a polished speaker plus she got the date wrong for when our pageant began. (NT) -- No name, 08:36:15 02/12/21 Fri Still AL's Tiara should've won. It's rather obvious it was set up for Camille. With all things being equal, I suspect judges would've gone with Tiara. (NT) -- No name, 14:47:15 02/13/21 Sat No. Georgia was the clear winner by a mile. (NT) -- No name, 16:18:29 02/13/21 Sat Alabama was very polished. In fact, she may have been too polished for what they were looking for. Her talent was great, she was 9/10 across the board. She has an excellent interview. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:28 02/12/21 Fri What appearances would these other girls have gotten and what new sponsors? (NT) -- No name, 15:40:47 02/13/21 Sat She just makes me smile. I find her to be stunning!! (NT) -- No name, 17:04:08 02/15/21 Mon

Subject: People's Choice Voting - Miss SC USA and Miss SC Teen USA
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:11:28 02/13/21 Sat https://www.misssouthcarolinausa.com/contestants-miss/ https://www.misssouthcarolinausa.com/contestants-teen/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Good Luck to former Miss SC (Davia Bunch/4RU last year) & SC Outstanding Teen (Hope Harvard) (NT) -- No name, 09:56:59 02/14/21 Sun Go Davina (NT) -- A, 15:37:30 02/14/21 Sun Hoping for Davis to win, but I think Marley Stokes will win. (NT) -- USA likes their former teens., 20:15:32 02/14/21 Sun Would not have recognized Davia if her name had not been under the photo. (NT) -- No name, 22:21:15 02/14/21 Sun She looks amazing and has really grown up since being Miss SC 2018 (NT) -- No name, 23:55:22 02/14/21 Sun any former teens (NT) -- k, 01:27:08 02/15/21 Mon Hope Harvard (NT) -- No name, 09:05:06 02/15/21 Mon I like Meera for the win and I liked Davia's "look" better 2 years ago. (NT) -- No name, 09:13:07 02/15/21 Mon 29 Miss contestants-is that the usual #? (NT) -- No name, 09:14:46 02/15/21 Mon from what I heard she didnt choose her look two years ago. (NT) -- No name, 10:47:57 02/15/21 Mon

Subject: News Article - Nina Forest, Miss Idaho 2018 and Top 10 at Miss America
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:25:05 02/15/21 Mon Alumna Awarded Fellowship, Entry to Foreign Service https://magazine.ucdavis.edu/alumna-awarded-fellowship-entry-to-foreign-service/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: To while away the lonely snowy covid-19 nights, I present to you movie quotations PART TWO. The last one is a real killer, ( I think)..
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:18:05 01/30/21 Sat A) You dare turn your back on Elizabeth of England, YOU DARE!! B) I am big, it's the pictures that got small. C) I could smell the dirty roadhouse whiskey on his breath, and I liked it, I LIKED IT! D) OH GOD! Shut up with your 'oh Gods' or we'll kill ya milk or no milk. E) MRS BATES, if my sister and I wanted flowers we could afford to buy them! F) And I know for a fact that Lee used to go up to that lake and scuba dive. G) I wouldn't worry so much about your heart; you can always put that award where your heart ought to be. H) I ain't never seen you change your underwear the whole time I've been here; and that's pretty peculiar behavior. AND I) If it isn't inside, I shall retire to Sussex and keep bees. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A) Bette Davis-Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex B) Gloria Swanson- Sunset Boulevard E) Bette Davis-Whatever Happened to Baby Jane. Three of the best films ever made. (NT) -- No name, 20:10:10 01/30/21 Sat YES, correct thank you. Funny how Davis for years had disparaged Errol Flynn as a lousy actor (he wasn't), then she changed her tune later in life. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:33 01/30/21 Sat I always thought she secretly had the hots for him, but alas, he liked Olivia DeHavilland. (NT) -- No name, 21:54:29 01/30/21 Sat Warner Brothers offered David Selznick a very nice distribution deal for Gone With The Wind (with Davis and Flynn in the leads) but she refused to do it with him. (NT) -- No name, 22:00:46 01/30/21 Sat G- again, Miss Davis-All About Eve 1950. Nominated for a record 14 Oscars. She should have won best actress for that. (NT) -- No name, 21:59:15 01/30/21 Sat G is All About Eve. Thanks, perhaps the wittiest script ever. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:33 01/30/21 Sat C - Piper Laurie in Carrie 1976 (NT) -- No name, 19:16:41 01/31/21 Sun OP: you are correct. C is from 1976's Carrie, one of my favs. (NT) -- No name, 19:59:15 01/31/21 Sun D is from Rosemary's Baby, toward the end of the movie. It was the best adaptation of any of Ira Levin's novels, which is sad because his novels are really good. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:59 02/01/21 Mon OP: Correct D is from Rosemary's Baby. Patsy Kelly is responding to Mia Farrow's cries. (NT) -- No name, 10:05:29 02/01/21 Mon I liked Sliver... (NT) -- No name, 15:14:11 02/04/21 Thu B. Is Gloria Swanson as Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard (NT) -- No name, 10:50:00 02/01/21 Mon OP: Yes thank you, but that was already spoken about. (NT) -- No name, 10:58:59 02/01/21 Mon It's amazing that Piper Laurie gives this spectacular performance in Carrie and loses the Oscar to Beatrice Straight who had 2 scenes in Network for about 8 minutes. (NT) -- If I live to be a hundred I'll never figure out the Academy Awards, 19:49:50 02/01/21 Mon Since it's been 5 days and not a nibble on F. H and I, here are some hints. One of the 3 is a Best Picture Oscar winner. Another one starred an actor who not only has a famous sister but also a mom who's an accomplished writer. And another stars an actor whom most people think is from England but is actually from South Africa. These should help. (NT) -- No name, 17:21:05 02/03/21 Wed In a film filled with cynical, corrupted people, Straight's Louise is the only person capable of complex emotion, and Straight brings all of it to the table in a performance that still gets to me, even on my umpteenth viewing of �Network." Characters in "Network" are satrical parodies, except for Louise -- who shatters through her controntational scene with realistic humanity. Plus the Academy loves "Network" with 10 nominations and Straight's win can be viewed as riding this tide of goodwill all the way to victory. (NT) -- No name, 13:43:33 02/14/21 Sun I never thought the William Holden character was a satirical parody. I saw Network when it first came out and I said to myself, I'm getting a headache from all the yelling and screaming going on (Robert Duval yells the most). (NT) -- No name, 14:40:37 02/14/21 Sun H - Midnight Cowboy (Jon Voight) (NT) -- No name, 20:52:18 02/04/21 Thu OP: Congrats H is Midnight Cowboy. Very good. Jon Voight says that to Dustin Hoffman. (NT) -- No name, 22:20:38 02/04/21 Thu OP: more hints for the two remaining--- one is about a detective and the other is about a serial killer. (NT) -- No name, 22:28:03 02/04/21 Thu For F and I? I could have sworn I just heard F in a movie recently, and it was about a killer. "I" sounds.like a Point/Agatha Christie movie, Empire of the Sun? (NT) -- No name, 05:32:43 02/05/21 Fri POIROT! I hate spellcheck sometimes. (NT) -- No name, 05:34:01 02/05/21 Fri I - Sherlock Holmes (Basil Rathbone) - The Pearl of Death (NT) -- No name, 06:14:24 02/05/21 Fri So wanted F to be Mark Harmon for his role as Ted Bundy, but don't think Mark's Mom was a writer. (NT) -- No name, 07:24:24 02/05/21 Fri Same for Eric Roberts (NT) -- No name, 07:45:35 02/05/21 Fri OP: I is CORRECT, Sherlock Holmes and the Pearl of Death. Congrats that was a tough one. (NT) -- Sorry I haven't responded sooner but I was busy all day today, 13:28:39 02/05/21 Fri OP: F is NOT The Deliberate Stranger with Mark Harmon. That was actually a TV miniseries. (NT) -- but not a bad guess, 13:32:08 02/05/21 Fri OP: wow, really surprised nobody's gotten F in over a week so I'll give two more clues: the film takes place in California and is directed by someone who cast Armie Hammer in a dual role. (NT) -- No name, 16:26:08 02/08/21 Mon OP: sorry to be confusing (cast Armie in a dual role in another film). (NT) -- No name, 16:27:59 02/08/21 Mon OP: Surprised that nobody has gotten F which is Zodiac (2007) starring Jake Gyllenhaal (brother of Maggie and son of Oscar nominated screenwriter Naomi Foner). (NT) -- No name, 15:36:03 02/13/21 Sat I wasn't guessing that movie. Just loving on Mark Harmon. (NT) -- No name, 16:55:23 02/13/21 Sat Mark was quite the looker in his day. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:27 02/13/21 Sat

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Happy Valentine's Day to you! Thanks for remembering the fans. (NT) -- No name, 09:50:28 02/14/21 Sun (NT) -- Happy Valentines Day!, 14:02:55 02/14/21 Sun Happy Valentine's Day, Miss MN! (NT) -- No name, 14:07:36 02/14/21 Sun Kathryn is such a sweetheart and adorable to boot. (NT) -- No name, 14:16:12 02/14/21 Sun

Subject: Happy Valentine's Day from the Miss Virginia Organization
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:09:19 02/14/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Happy Valentine's Day (NT) -- No name, 09:50:56 02/14/21 Sun

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Subject: Miss America 2020's crown term has been unlike any other due to pandemic; 'It's actually been kind of a hidden blessing'
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:59:15 02/14/21 Sun https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/miss-america-2020s-crown-term-has-been-unlike-any-other-due-to-pandemic [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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IMO, Camille has been an excellent titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 09:05:08 02/14/21 Sun

Subject: Miss Southeastern 2021 winner annonuced by SLU; Lily Gayle to compete in Miss Louisiana pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:03:13 02/14/21 Sun https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/communities/livingston_tangipahoa/article_6515ced4-6189-11eb-803d-23537a5e938f.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Very pretty titleholder. (NT) -- No name, 09:04:33 02/14/21 Sun

Subject: Why did Miss Mississippi change gowns from preliminaries to finals?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:07:34 02/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Was it for a reason? (NT) -- d..., 14:04:58 02/07/21 Sun Good question? I saw that. I�m glad personally the final night one was better (NT) -- No name, 15:08:12 02/07/21 Sun What is this thread about? (NT) -- during what pageant, 15:21:26 02/07/21 Sun Miss America 92 ....Mississippi wore a different gown preliminary night ...than she wore final night. Preliminary swimsuit and gowns are up on PageantHayDay from Carolynn Sapp�s year (NT) -- No name, 16:21:57 02/07/21 Sun Thank you. It's actually more common than people think to change gowns from prelims to finals. Leanza did it, so did Robin Meade, and so did Scarlett Dupree (I think). (NT) -- No name, 16:34:42 02/07/21 Sun Kira did as well (NT) -- No name, 17:31:27 02/07/21 Sun Both Leanza and Robin Meade change back to the gowns they won their state pageant in. (NT) -- No name, 16:14:39 02/10/21 Wed Changing gowns is not allowed in some states. I know it isn�t allowed in this state. (NT) -- No name, 03:15:18 02/08/21 Mon Which state are you in? And i think it's ridiculous - girls should be able to wear what hey want to wear. (NT) -- No name, 15:15:43 02/08/21 Mon It's not allowed in North Carolina (NT) -- No name, 15:19:37 02/08/21 Mon If the original gown gets you into to ten why change it? (NT) -- d..., 02:52:30 02/09/21 Tue What happens if your gown rips or something like that (after prelims). Then you would have to change it. (NT) -- No name, 08:54:18 02/09/21 Tue Because some of these state directors forced contestants to wear gowns they didn't like. In Leanza's case, the "zipper broke" on the gown she wore in preliminaries and she wore the yellow gown from her state pageant. As I've always said, it's the young woman who has to get on stage and be comfortable with what she's presenting and how she's presenting it. (NT) -- No name, 16:59:59 02/09/21 Tue Years ago, our "Miss State" was forced by the state board to wear an ugly dress made by a sponsor. Everybody in Atlantic City thought it was awful. She won a non-finalist talent award. I always wonder if the look of the dress, in such poor taste, prevented her from making the top ten. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:16 02/09/21 Tue My Miss State was told she had to wear this ugly gown from J. C. Pennys. She refused and the ED said the state wouldn't pay for any dress but that. She said " OK, I'll make my own gown." She did and made top 10 in AC. (NT) -- No name, 20:07:49 02/09/21 Tue Vanessa Williams also changed her gown from Prelims to finals. She wore a white Grecian dress during prelims and the tulle dress for finals. (NT) -- Done a lot. Maybe they have lots of sponsors to please..., 21:35:44 02/09/21 Tue Vanessa wore the same competition gown for prelims and finals. But during that time they did swimsuit last and Vanessa wore the pink tulle dress for crowning announcement. I almost think the pink was her parade gown, but not totally sure on that. (NT) -- No name, 21:42:38 02/09/21 Tue It was her parade dress. I always wondered why she wore that for the crowning. It looked like a costume, especially with that big wad of tulle on the shoulder. (NT) -- No name, 22:16:47 02/09/21 Tue I'm scratching my head right now. Vanessa Williams' crowning gown was pink? I thought it was like purplish. (NT) -- No name, 22:29:21 02/09/21 Tue pink, lavendar, light purple......something like that. It certainly wasn't the white Grecian gown she wore for evening gown competition. (NT) -- No name, 22:58:35 02/09/21 Tue We all know that. The thread was about changing competition gowns from prelims to finals. VW wore the same white gown in both. (NT) -- No name, 23:15:47 02/09/21 Tue I loved Vanessa's tulle gown! (NT) -- LucidDreams, 14:01:54 02/12/21 Fri I did too and am quite possibly one of the few who didn't like her grecian gown. (NT) -- No name, 17:52:49 02/12/21 Fri top ten. (NT) -- d..., 04:18:46 02/10/21 Wed Not allowing it is a stupid rule. And it hasn't always been the case in NC. Up until the mid-90s, girls could wear what they wanted when they wanted. I would like to hear a good reason why it is not allowed. (NT) -- No name, 14:26:05 02/10/21 Wed Our state stopped allowing it in 2002. The reason I was given is that the winner that year switched gowns and the gown did not look good on the telecast! He original gown was stunning. The second one was plain and simple. (NT) -- No name, 21:26:23 02/11/21 Thu Alexa Jones' dress change as Miss AL was my favorite of all time. (NT) -- No name, 21:28:54 02/11/21 Thu Really loved Alexa!! (NT) -- No name, 19:55:39 02/12/21 Fri And the Alabama director was NOT happy about that! (NT) -- No name, 21:11:49 02/12/21 Fri Which made me happy. (NT) -- No name, 08:44:51 02/14/21 Sun

Subject: Gretchen Carlson on C-SPAN
Author: . [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:00:20 02/12/21 Fri While most of you were distracted by the Trump impeachment conviction trial in the US Senate this week, in the meantime at the other side of the nation's capitol, the U.S. House was resuming its normal business and scheduled hearings. Last night (Thursday, February 11, 2021) C-SPAN aired the House of Representatives Judiciary Consumer and Employment committee hearing which featured America's beloved former Miss America 1989, Gretchen Carlson, the champion of the #MeToo movement. For those interested in Gretchen's testimony about work-place non-disclosure contracts (something that she and then-Miss America 2018, Cara Mund both know something about), you can watch it here at about video time 29:00: http://www.c-span.org/video/?508903-1/house-judiciary-hearing-employment-arbitration-agreements&live They titled Gretchen as "Journalist and former FOX News anchor" as she spoke to the House members.....anyone care to add "MAO dictator"?? Also, speaking of Gretchen and C-SPAN, you can see this from the C-SPAN video archives, when she and Regina Hopper (Miss Arkansas 1993 and recent MAO chairwoman) spoke at a National Press Club event regarding the then-status of the Miss America Organization: http://www.c-span.org/organization/?130755/Miss-America [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Regina was 1983. Both are self-serving people (NT) -- No name, 20:34:07 02/12/21 Fri Yes, my typo that I did not catch prior to posting this tonight. Regina was Miss Arkansas 1983 and also a winner of one of the non-finalist talent awards for singing... (NT) -- ..get this...."You're Gonna Hear From Me".....sounds bossy to me, you too?, 22:12:54 02/12/21 Fri Not interested. (NT) -- No name, 21:11:13 02/13/21 Sat

Subject: Introducing Kazi Maimuna, Miss Crown City Volunteer
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:27:44 02/09/21 Tue A South Pasadena native and current student at @pcclancer Kazi aspires to become a veterinarian. She has a passion for helping animals in need and an adventurous spirit which has led her to complete a triatholon, skydive, and survive training at a military academy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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So thankful that Miss California Volunteer has ongoing activity, since the MAO pageants do not have anything ongoing. (NT) -- No name, 15:54:31 02/12/21 Fri Is her name Kazi or Kasi? Confused by the font. (NT) -- No name, 22:39:33 02/12/21 Fri Kazi (NT) -- No name, 16:56:09 02/13/21 Sat

Subject: People's Choice Voting - Miss NC USA and Miss NC Teen USA
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:08:25 02/13/21 Sat https://www.missnorthcarolinausa.com/contestants-miss/ https://www.missnorthcarolinausa.com/contestants-teen/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Any crossovers? (NT) -- No name, 04:15:05 02/13/21 Sat In the Miss looks like 3 maybe 4. Madison Bryant is back. She has been 1st runner up at Miss NC and Miss NC USA (NT) -- No name, 12:07:45 02/13/21 Sat Spruill and Adkins both were local titleholders in the Miss NC program. Delpy was Miss NC Wheelchair. (NT) -- No name, 14:48:37 02/13/21 Sat

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Date Posted: 18:33:55 02/12/21 Fri

What an amazing day seeing the Miss NH Community come together to drop off their food donations for the NH Food Pantry! Our titleholders each were challenged to collect donations from their communities and these girls SHOWED UP! We filled up four cars with THOUSANDS of items donated! When we put our girls together we CAN make an insane difference and that was shown to me today!

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Subject: 100th Year Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:51:44 02/06/21 Sat Which of these following do you think the next Miss America Pageant will emulate? A) Massive celebration to rival the 75th. Lots of history told, formers back and a return to a lot of the traditions. Network will even have a separate show to highlight the organization's history B) Network pageant with many mentions down memory lane C) Network pageant that looks almost identical to the last pageant. Beside repeated talking about "the 100th year" or mentioning the 100th anniversary, it is a carbon copy of Camille's year D) Cable pageant that is on a channel many of us don't get. The pageant looks nothing like any competition we have ever seen and does nothing special for the 100th F) No pageant televised. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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F (NT) -- No name, 16:57:20 02/06/21 Sat F (NT) -- No name, 18:34:27 02/06/21 Sat C (NT) -- No name, 19:08:23 02/06/21 Sat Choice isn't there, but they'll be televised on a network like FYI like Miss USA was. Likely if the world changes, Mohegan Sun will book a lot of concerts because that's what people will want whenever this pandemic is under control. A LOT of concerts, so the prelims will be held in the same way as last year, and a bad production on stage for finals. That's as good as you're going to get. (NT) -- No name, 19:26:38 02/06/21 Sat Same poster. I guess this falls under "C". But I don't think it's going to be on a major network. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:08 02/06/21 Sat C for sure, I have been on the Calls (NT) -- No name, 19:28:04 02/06/21 Sat E. No Pageant (NT) -- No name, 21:32:51 02/06/21 Sat That is very sad if that is the case. Shantell needs only to look to the '98 pageant, the year she competed at Miss America,(actually all the pageants is the 90s were excellent) to see what a Miss America competition should look like. I have no problem with hearing more from the contestants, but that should not come with sacrificing any type of production. In the 98 pageant, there was an outstanding opening number, a very elegant evening gown competition, and we got to see all ten semi-finalists compete in all phases of competition before it was narrowed down to a final five. There is no time for elimination rounds, there is no need to have a top 15 and eliminate 8 without any phase of competiton. There is no need to hear feedback from the judges and there is no need for a final two show-down. This isn't rocket science. It isn't that difficult to stage a Miss America competiton the way it should be. (NT) -- No name, 22:50:18 02/06/21 Sat AGREED!!!^^^^^ (NT) -- No name, 18:24:51 02/07/21 Sun D or F (NT) -- No name, 21:40:05 02/06/21 Sat Just because someone has been Miss State or Miss America does not mean they know how to run a pageant. (NT) -- No name, 00:02:39 02/07/21 Sun That probably is very true; however, I think that every Miss America or Miss State that has competed on that huge stage in Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City has awesome memories of participating in a glitzy opening production number, properly showing off their Miss America evening gown, performing their talent on that huge stage, and walking down that massive runway. There should be no reason why future candidates shouldn't also be able to experience that even though the organization is interested in getting to know them better with more emphasis on their social impact initiative. What do last year's candidates have to remember: lounging on the floor in their evening gowns, performing on a makeshift stage, and witnessing the winner take her title with no where to walk to. It's hard for me to understand why any former Miss America or Miss State would want to deny future participants from also having those great memories. (NT) -- No name, 03:49:17 02/07/21 Sun You do realize that many for-profit pageants hire production companies. Even some USA state pageants hire producers. That seems to be what they should do if they want to recover from the last disaster. But it takes a lot of money. (NT) -- They need to hire a production company., 18:53:22 02/07/21 Sun I am going to vote that I think it will be postponed again. (NT) -- Until 2022., 04:57:55 02/07/21 Sun No, I think they"ll have it this December at Mohegan. Don't get me wrong I liked it there (the atmosphere) but December is ridiculous. (NT) -- No name, 14:42:29 02/07/21 Sun After watching a lackluster super bowl and obviously because it just had to be scaled back makes me wonder how many will loose interest in football. Would it have been better to forgo the super bowl to a better time so people wouldn�t loose interest? Same with mao should they put on a competition this year to just get it out of the way or wait until ma better time when they can make it the best? (NT) -- No name, 22:07:34 02/07/21 Sun Go Tom Brady 31-9. G O A T. (NT) -- No name, 22:16:42 02/07/21 Sun It wasn't lacklustre to me dear. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:40 02/07/21 Sun The Superbowl did not lack luster!! It was amazing and will continue on decades AFTER the Miss America Program! (NT) -- No name, 22:57:03 02/07/21 Sun I thought that was one of the worst halftime shows ever. (NT) -- No name, 23:05:28 02/07/21 Sun Agree, terrible halftime show. Best thing was the fire works. Miss America will do C. Simply because it is easier than doing what they should do. This is what they should do: hold the pageant in AC in September and return to its roots of of the basic phases of competition! Swimsuit, evening gown, talent and interview. Return to some sort of glamour, too. Anyone else have a better idea? (NT) -- No name, 02:59:54 02/08/21 Mon B (NT) -- No name, 15:53:33 02/08/21 Mon E (NT) -- No name, 21:31:41 02/11/21 Thu

Subject: Denny Keller, director of many Miss Ohio and Miss Texas pageants in the 70s and 80s, has passed away. He was a wonderful, wonderful man with creative shows every single time.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:18:13 02/10/21 Wed Cut and paste to your browser: https://www.cahallfuneralhomes.com/obituary/RDennisonDenny-KellerSr [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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The production numbers had a circus theme at Miss Ohio 1982. Denny did a fantastic job here. It�s on Pageanthayday�s channel on Youtube. (NT) -- No name, 04:31:36 02/11/21 Thu

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Subject: Miss NC 2021 candidates updated

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Date Posted: 22:38:19 02/09/21 Tue

Miss NC Class of 2021

Statesville- Melody Hager, (vocal) 2017 NF
Rose Hill- Ashley Brooke Daniels, (dance) new
Moore County- Karolyn Martin, (vocal) new,
Sandhills- Courtney Smith (dance) 2017 1ru, 2018 2ru
Emerald Ridge- Tessa Rabideau, (vocal) 2018 NF
Stanley Co.- Karie Grace Shields, (vocal) new
Zebulon - Julia Walsh (vocal) 2019 NF, 2018 NF
Randolph Co. Gracie Hensley, (dance) new
Taste of Charlotte- Dianne Robinson-Herring, (dance) new
Wilson- Madelanah McFarland, (vocal) new
Garner- Megan Huff, (vocal) 2018 NF
Asheville- Emily Holbert, (dance) Miss SC 2018 Top 16
Blue Ridge Valley- Hannah Harvey (vocal) 2018 NF
Central Carolina- D�Amrah Rowdy (dance) new
Thomasville- Emily Pena (Piano) new
Goldsboro - Alexis Carol Brown, (dance) new
Henderson - Lauren Walsh (vocal) 2017 NF, 2018 prelim talent, 2019 Top10
Cabarrus Co. - Tiffany Rush (vocal) 2019 NF
Gaston Co.- Mariana Linares, (Dance) new
Gastonia - Julia DeSerio, (vocal) new
Dunn - Maya Bryant (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF
Metrolina - Kaitlyn Sparks (vocal) 2019 NF
Queen City - Tiffany Smith (vocal) 2017 NF Talent award, 2018 NF, 2019 NF
Sampson Co. - DaCiya Solice (vocal) new
Charlotte: Maddy Wilson (dance) 2018 NF
Mecklenburg Co.- Sophia Kellstrom (vocal) 2018 NF, 2019 NF
Cleveland 1/18- Carli Batson (dance) 2018 prelim talent, Top 10, 2019 2RU
Johnston Co. 1/18-Maura Westbrook (vocal) new
Wilmington 1/19- Bryana Carrington (dance) 2017 NF, 2019 NF
Mt. Holly- Anne Marie Hagerty (piano) new
Spivey�s Corner- Abby Britt (dance) 2017 NF, 2018 Top 15, 2019, NF
Raleigh - Carlie Spencer (dance) - 2018 NF, 2019 Top 10
Durham - Anna Claire Musick (dance) - 2019 Top 15
Greenville- Cassidy Stoltenberg (dance) new
Jacksonville - Jada Carter (dance) new
Fayetteville Dogwood Festival - Hailey Hudson (vocal) - new

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Subject: Introducing Monse Hernandez, Miss Clovis Volunteer 2021
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:00:48 02/05/21 Fri A rising freshman at Santa Monica College, Monse is an aspiring journalist and advocate for Ronald McDonald House Charities and Childhood Lukemia. A Clovis native, she has served as a children�s ministry leader at her church and a student at Fresno Music Academy. Give her a follow at @missclovisvol and keep up with her journey to the @misscavol stage! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She looks a little bit like a young Susan Powell. (NT) -- No name, 10:58:19 02/07/21 Sun Yes! I totally see that! (NT) -- No name, 23:43:28 02/08/21 Mon She is much prettier than Powell. Will never get her win. She appeared to be overweight. She was plain and boring and looked 45. (NT) -- ghrtt3, 22:06:38 02/09/21 Tue I emailed them to offer to volunteer , we'll see (NT) -- LucidDreams, 18:55:51 02/08/21 Mon Good for you! (NT) -- No name, 22:43:14 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Miss Alabama Pageant 1996 Hostess
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:45:03 02/09/21 Tue Could someone please identify the hostess for Miss Alabama Pageant 1996? Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uTFLvtCZM Thanks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Amie Beth Dickinson. She was first runner-up to Heather Whitestone and took over Miss Alabama when Heather was crowned Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 18:40:14 02/09/21 Tue

Subject: Mary Wilson, longest-reigning original Supreme, dies at 76
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:17:56 02/09/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Mary's cause of death is hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, according to the Clark County Coroner. In other words, she died from high blood pressure brought on by artery blockages. (NT) -- RIP, 18:27:27 02/09/21 Tue

Subject: With a former Miss America delegate, Aysz Branch, winning Miss USA whom from her year of competing at Miss America you believe will compete for a State title?
Author: Bella [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:21:08 02/05/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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P0ssibly Misses FL, MA, OK, CO?, NE, DC & CT (NT) -- Pablo, 18:35:22 02/05/21 Fri No to OK(she got married) (NT) -- PikachusWorld, 23:18:12 02/05/21 Fri Any that have not aged out or married. Considering Asya did not make top 15 at MAO is more evidence how different the two are. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:17 02/05/21 Fri But that was primarily because of talent. (NT) -- It certainly wasn't because of her looks or gown., 20:50:24 02/05/21 Fri Since when does talent matter at Miss America? I think she was too young when she was sent to Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 20:54:24 02/05/21 Fri I think it may have "mattered" for those two raving beauties Gretchen Carlson and Marjorie Judith Vincent. (NT) -- No name, 21:08:33 02/05/21 Fri I can guarantee you that it mattered quite a bit to Susan Powell's winning also. (NT) -- No name, 13:17:39 02/09/21 Tue The problem with your point is that it is longer valid. Your most reason example is over 30 years ago (NT) -- No name, 14:28:57 02/09/21 Tue I was responding to the poster that used the words "since when". "Since when" can mean anytime in the past. And quite frankly in December of 2019 both Miss America and her first runner-up were both Talent winners- so I guess it mattered recently. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:34 02/09/21 Tue The young lady's first name is Asya. It's not Aysa. (NT) -- not a major point but I've seen it misspelled several times on two boards., 16:55:16 02/09/21 Tue

Subject: What is the scoring and percentages for Miss America now? I never hear anything or see it posted. I would love to know before my daughter decides where she is competing.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:42:58 02/08/21 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is it posted anywhere? (NT) -- No name, 14:25:30 02/08/21 Mon Ha! Good luck! Scoring percentages are a moving target. They even change from a prelim to state and to MA. You just never know. Generally, you can plan on personal interview at 25%. Beyond that, it is anyone�s guess! (NT) -- No name, 14:33:31 02/08/21 Mon Not Nationals but state is 35%interview, 15% social impact ( continuation of private interview.) 35% Talent,15% Red Carpet. (NT) -- No name, 15:49:12 02/08/21 Mon 35% each personal interview and talent. 15% each red carpet (evening wear) and onstage interview-social impact statement (NT) -- No name, 15:51:29 02/08/21 Mon At least talent is back to a decent percentage. (NT) -- No name, 18:38:40 02/08/21 Mon Volunteer is Interview - 40: Fitness - 20: Gown - 20: Talent - 20. OSQ is not given a score (NT) -- No name, 23:15:25 02/08/21 Mon And those are odd percentages. There is no way that talent should be the same percentage as fitness and evening gown. It should be at least 30%, with gown and fitness 15% each. (NT) -- No name, 01:08:17 02/09/21 Tue Guess that makes a more well rounded girl? More "ideal"? (NT) -- No name, 11:32:20 02/09/21 Tue I'm OK with the percentages because I think Fitness should matter. But I do think gown could be reduced to 15%, and up the talent to 25%. Gown is the gimme score anyway - they're going to throw points at the girl they like. (NT) -- No name, 14:32:14 02/09/21 Tue

Subject: RIP DENNY KELLER
Author: No name (Sad) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:34:19 02/09/21 Tue Announcing the passing of long tine Miss America supporter - judge and state producer Denny Keller. Denny produced two state pageants in both Ohio and Texas and the late Leanza Cornett at Miss America. He indeed was a true gem [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Sorry to hear. One of the "best" obits I've ever read, if you understand what I mean. A true loving tribute. https://www.cahallfuneralhomes.com/obituary/RDennisonDenny-KellerSr (NT) -- No name, 01:03:51 02/09/21 Tue Terribly saddened by this. Condolences to Caroline and the rest of his family (NT) -- No name, 08:33:12 02/09/21 Tue I have to say that is one of the most amazing obits I've ever read. The part about his two kids and the tattoos made me chuckle. (NT) -- RIP, what a amazing life, 09:01:50 02/09/21 Tue Indeed! A very cleverly written obituary. (NT) -- No name, 11:03:45 02/09/21 Tue What a wonderful tribute. I have never heard of him but it's obvious that was one well-lived life. (NT) -- No name, 09:35:11 02/09/21 Tue Which two Miss Americas did he coach? I assume one is Susan Perkins (makes sense...Ohio). (NT) -- No name, 11:26:12 02/09/21 Tue and Laurie Lee Shaeffer (NT) -- No name, 12:07:44 02/09/21 Tue

Subject: Pageant videos
Author: Glynda [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:01:48 02/07/21 Sun I am loving the videos posted on youtube by Pageants Hay Day! I am really interested in seeing the preliminary competition from Miss America 2004, the year that Ericka Dunlap won. Does anyone have that? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Most of the tapes are great except for the Sept 1999 prelims. I don't know what happened to the sound synchronization. (NT) -- No name, 22:31:27 02/07/21 Sun Does any know the state pageant/year where one of the contestants in the Top 10 performed a modern dance (that was excellent btw) to Rich Man�s Frug? I saw it once, loved it, and now I can�t remember which year or state it was! (NT) -- No name, 23:50:41 02/07/21 Sun R u talking about Miss Texas 2007 who competed in Las Vegas in January 2008? (NT) -- No name, 08:28:46 02/08/21 Mon I would love to see prelims from 2008, actually everything from 2008. One of the few years I missed. (NT) -- No name, 09:59:33 02/08/21 Mon I am sure they are asking about Melissa Pritchett who was excellent dancing to Rich Man Frug. She was third Runner-up in the Miss Texas Pageant. Molly Hazlett danced to it as well (not the same quality as Melissa) who won Miss Texas 2007 and competed at at the Miss America Pageant in Las Vegas. (NT) -- No name, 10:00:32 02/08/21 Mon To the above poster who inquired about the 2008 prelims, I can tell you that one of the Talent winners that year (Miss Ct singing "Let Him Fly") is on YT but it's very "blurry". (NT) -- No name, 11:44:51 02/08/21 Mon (cont) I'm pretty sure Miss Iowa's baton is also on YT. (NT) -- No name, 11:46:19 02/08/21 Mon Yes, it was Melissa Pritchett at Miss TX 2001. I need to start making note of the talents that I love from these state pageants of the past. Her long lines during this dance- just gorgeous. (NT) -- No name, 06:53:39 02/09/21 Tue I'm really just interested in seeing the 2004 Miss America Pageant preliminaries. (NT) -- Glynda, 22:36:51 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Is USA considering adding a talent competition?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:05:48 02/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Why would they? (NT) -- J, 13:39:15 02/06/21 Sat no (NT) -- No name, 13:40:14 02/06/21 Sat I heard they are discussing this very idea! Not sure why except that many of their winners have been really talented. (NT) -- No name, 03:30:36 02/08/21 Mon So many crossovers from MAO. It makes perfect sense (NT) -- No name, 09:46:19 02/08/21 Mon I wish!! (NT) -- No name, 16:30:17 02/08/21 Mon No where is it mentioned on their website. In fact, it still calls out "no talent" category as the big difference. (NT) -- No name, 17:11:44 02/08/21 Mon Unless Miss Universe adds talent, it makes no sense for Miss USA to. The fact that the current Miss USA has a far superior talent to the current Miss America is just more evidence that they are doing something right. (NT) -- No name, 18:25:20 02/08/21 Mon Miss World has a talent preliminary, points are scored, but it is voluntary for the contestants to participate. Miss World is more likely to have a talented winner than not. The current Miss World from Jamaica has a beautiful singing voice, and performs at some of her scheduled engagements. (NT) -- No name, 19:02:34 02/08/21 Mon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXaGN6PtZjo (NT) -- No name, 19:12:49 02/08/21 Mon Was 1965 the only year Miss USA had a talent competition? Was it scored? (NT) -- No name, 19:26:55 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Super Bowl Quiz
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:34:45 02/07/21 Sun Name the four Miss America contestants who have performed The National Anthem at the Super Bowl [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Tough one . Is it Stam, Whitestone, Williams ,Anita Bryant? (NT) -- No name, 19:34:57 02/07/21 Sun Heather Whitestone?? (NT) -- No name, 20:21:14 02/07/21 Sun No to Stam. No to Anita Bryant (NT) -- No name, 22:30:53 02/07/21 Sun An NFL.com reference states that Anita Bryant performed the anthem, but NBC's broadcast of game, available from the Paley Center for Media's collection, shows that Lloyd Geisler performed it. (NT) -- No name, 22:46:13 02/07/21 Sun Williams. Bryant Phyllis Kelley whitestone (NT) -- No name, 20:39:27 02/07/21 Sun Definitely Phyllis Kelly. (NT) -- No name, 20:53:52 02/07/21 Sun Erika Schwarz (NT) -- No name, 22:20:43 02/07/21 Sun I do believe Erika did because she was from Louisiana and the Super Bowl was in the superdome that year. (NT) -- No name, 03:19:09 02/08/21 Mon This information can be googled. Phyllis Kelly, Heather Whitestone and Ericka Schwarz. (NT) -- No name, 03:38:27 02/08/21 Mon Phyllis Kelly (1978-vocal); Heather Whitestone (1995-ASL); Vanessa Williams (1996-vocal) ; and Erika Schwartz (1997-ASL) (NT) -- No name, 10:34:35 02/08/21 Mon This was more than 24 years ago. Not many would know. It won�t happen again. (NT) -- Miss America and celebrity are no longer connected., 12:15:57 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Miss Mississippi Volunteer Scholarship Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:30:42 02/02/21 Tue We are excited to announce the five categories that will make up our Miss Mississippi Volunteer competition! These competition areas include Interview, Talent, Evening Gown, Fitness & Wellness, and Onstage Question. In the next few days, we will explain what each phase of the competition looks like. Let's start with the Interview portion. The interview will consist of a 12-minute panel interview that is 40% of your preliminary score. Here are a few characteristics that we are looking for; Professional, Intelligent, a Leader in their Community, Diversity Aware, and Resilient. We look forward to what all of you ladies have to bring in each of these areas and can't wait to crown our very first Miss Mississippi Volunteer. Who will she be?? Let�s talk about the Talent portion of the Miss Mississippi Volunteer program. Talent will be 20% of the preliminary score. Talent performances may include a contestant�s natural aptitude, personal skill, gift or passion in an area of their choice. This competition includes but is not limited to the performing arts and can include demonstrations of: Dance, Comedy, Operatic Performance, Illusion Performance, Ventriloquism, Athletic Skill Demonstration, Vocal Performance, Monologue, Instrumental, Career Interest, Speed Painting, Baton Twirling, and Avocation. Mississippians are known for their talent and we are so excited to give you the opportunity to showcase your talent! One of the most iconic parts of a pageant is the Evening Gown competition, and Miss Mississippi Volunteer is bringing glamour to the stage with our Evening Gown competition! This competition is designed to feature the young woman wearing the dress, rather than the dress itself. 20% of the preliminary score comes from the Evening Gown competition. Judges will consider the contestant�s composure and stage presence during this phase of competition. The focus will be on the appropriateness of the gown and, most importantly, on the contestant�s personality, poise and confidence. The Fitness & Wellness competition is designed to demonstrate the contestant�s healthy lifestyle and is 20% of the preliminary score. Judges will consider the contestant�s confidence on stage, display of charisma and dedication to mind-body balance. Focus is not on a contestant�s size or shape, but rather to challenge a contestant to achieve higher levels of health, energy, wellness and purpose to integrate all aspects of body, mind and spirit The Onstage Question is the final portion of the Miss Mississippi Volunteer competition, and it is not scored by the judges. During the Onstage Question, the top five will showcase their ability to speak effectively using a microphone and professionally present themselves on stage. This portion allows the audience to get to know the top five contestants and get a little glimpse of what the judges saw during their private interviews. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is Volunteer a five judge, toss out high & low thing, average remaining three? (NT) -- No name, 21:02:39 02/02/21 Tue Hope so (NT) -- No name, 08:34:36 02/03/21 Wed Categories are worded very nicely and inviting. They will probably have a TON of girls sign up! (NT) -- Nice marketing., 09:26:08 02/03/21 Wed So sorry for your loss .. hate covid https://www.wapt.com/article/famous-maroon-band-instructor-dies-after-long-fight-with-covid-19/35407381# (NT) -- No name, 14:17:55 02/04/21 Thu Where and when is this pageant? (NT) -- No name, 21:28:47 02/04/21 Thu Tupelo, MS; date to be announced (NT) -- No name, 21:41:44 02/04/21 Thu Is fitness and wellness the same as Swimsuit? (NT) -- No name, 22:18:04 02/04/21 Thu Will Volunteer have a composite score? I hope not! (NT) -- No name, 12:05:30 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Thoughts on over saturation of pageants - all, except MAO, are openly for profit. No tax breaks for biz to sponsor. Will that be a detriment to the newcomer - MVA?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:15:21 02/06/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I fully expect my post deleted, but MVA is doomed from the beginning. Pageants are struggling and they offer nothing new or fresh. They are stale and outdated before the first event. Miss USA is probably the strongest national pageant right now, but they are struggling. (NT) -- No name, 08:05:16 02/06/21 Sat And this is so sad because no where else can young women, as young as 13 and even younger in some cases, begin to get life training and life coaching that these girls get in pageantry? Pageants can take a very shy introverted girl, and though she may not ever win a crown, she will learn life skills that will set her up for success. I�ve seen make judges, who�ve never judged a pageant, walk away astonished at how confident these young girls are! And every single one has put their daughters in a pageant! It�s too bad pageants get a bad wrap, they are so good for females of any age. (NT) -- No name, 12:32:46 02/06/21 Sat They are good for the right group of women, agreed. But there are many avenues to develop these skills. Look at the marketing for MVA. It is even the same font as Miss America. The crown is the same. The areas of competition are the same. Miss America was on a downhill trajectory even before the mess that was Gretchen Carlson took over. They will never be broadcast on television if they follow that formula and will never be nationally prominent without being broadcast. I do want them to succeed and considered applying for a state franchise, but just don�t see a bright future for the group. (NT) -- No name, 13:21:57 02/06/21 Sat NAM & IJM. The "allure" of MOA, ymmv, was scholarships & connections to the entertainment industry. In its heyday, every Miss A was guesting on primetime TVshows, travelling with the USO, and some becoming tv and movie stars. I'm not sure what makes MAO (or MVA) "special" anymore (NT) -- No name, 13:39:08 02/06/21 Sat I don't think that they are for-profit is a factor. People spend big money on their kids' traveling sports teams, classical music instruction, equestrian training, dance competitions, etc.. Allison and Jay have the contacts to sell sponsorships, and I believe they'll produce an amazing pageant and show. IOW- They're PROFESSIONALS. People will be attracted to the program for that alone. (NT) -- No name, 12:51:44 02/06/21 Sat This works for National, what about the local/state level? IJM/NAM have joined forces under one umbrella. (NT) -- No name, 13:34:23 02/06/21 Sat I agree. As a parent I have spent thousands for participation on club sports teams and martial arts, etc. The cost include travel and hotel expenses so my kids could compete in tournaments. There are thousands of other parents who do the same. Having to pay for a child to compete in a pageant is no different. -- No name, 06:23:33 02/08/21 Mon

Subject: Fun read for Superbowl Sunday - comparing FB & Miss America
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:43:50 02/07/21 Sun http://www.womencantalksports.com/nfl-combine-and-crowns/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Miss America Pageant 1990 Prelim Talent WED MU Group (Sept 1989) on YouTube
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:36:02 01/28/21 Thu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxuvzq-dgYE&t=1325s At 21:53, Miss America 1990 from Missouri, Debbye Turner. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That was a very strong group. (NT) -- No name, 15:01:58 02/07/21 Sun

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:53:31 02/05/21 Fri The Miss Arkansas Scholarship Competition Miss Arkansas was the first African-American woman to win preliminary awards in Miss America and first to place in the top 5, where she was Fourth Runner Up and the first African-American to be crowned Miss Arkansas. Lencola Sullivan (born 1957) is an American news anchor, singer and former beauty queen who has competed in the Miss America pageant. Sullivan was the oldest of five children born to Richard and Macie Sullivan. She attended the University of Central Arkansas where she received a degree in broadcasting. Sullivan won the Miss Arkansas title in July 1980 and represented Arkansas in the Miss America 1981 pageant held later that year in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Sullivan became the first African-American woman to win preliminary awards in the pageant and was also the first to place among the top five, where she was fourth runner-up. Sullivan became a news reporter on KARK-TV in Little Rock, Arkansas, and later moved to New York City. She has also worked for KTTV-TV in Austin, Texas, and sang with Stevie Wonder, Kool & the Gang (for example on the album Unite) and the Lionel Hampton Orchestra, among many other things. In 2002, Sullivan married Roel P. Verseveldt, a native of the Netherlands, in Little Rock, Arkansas. She and her husband have since been involved in international business activities. Among other things, Sullivan also works at Royal Dutch Shell and teaches and guest-lectures at the University of Groningen, both in the area of diversity and inclusion. She currently lives in The Hague. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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....Who wrote this? It can not be (hopefully not) a person who works in journalism. The story is a mess and complete with redundant comments. Besides when speaking/writing about a pageant the year comes before the name...the 1980 Miss America pageant....not the Miss America 1980 pageant. When speaking or writing about (NT) -- title-holders, its the year after title.....Miss Arkansas 1980. Who wrote that about Lencola?, 15:28:04 02/05/21 Fri I'm a journalist, and while this is not a news article, it reads just fine for a bio. I find it interesting that what you came away with from reading this woman's amazing accomplishments was... a criticism on its presentation. (NT) -- Comes off as a fallacy fallacy argument- ignores the point by nitpicking on its presentation, 13:06:37 02/06/21 Sat There's apparently a pageant grammar guide of which we are not aware. I though exactly what you said. (NT) -- No name, 11:49:17 02/07/21 Sun Does it really matter who wrote it or if it meets your grammatical standards? The whole point was to remember Miss Sullivan, and her accomplshiments. Quit nitpicking! (NT) -- robert, 17:22:47 02/05/21 Fri So so gorgeous and talented (NT) -- Pablo, 18:36:40 02/05/21 Fri Thank you for this post (NT) -- No name, 18:49:06 02/05/21 Fri So beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 19:12:30 02/06/21 Sat Lencola emceed my state pageant in the 1990s. She was very gracious and a very competent emcee. (NT) -- No name, 10:49:09 02/07/21 Sun

Subject: Link to photos of former Miss America titleholders at past Super Bowl activities
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:43:46 02/07/21 Sun https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/super-bowl-miss-america?family=editorial&phrase=super%20bowl%20miss%20america&sort=mostpopular#license [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:38:15 02/05/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh really, how profound. BTW she wouldn't have dared worn her hair like that two years ago. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:56 02/05/21 Fri Uhh she wore her hair like this when she crowned Camille (NT) -- No name, 23:26:15 02/05/21 Fri Uh, when actually competing. (NT) -- No name, 23:39:24 02/05/21 Fri She rocks! (NT) -- No name, 00:11:35 02/06/21 Sat Thank you for saying what needs to not only be said but heard. (NT) -- No name, 10:11:43 02/07/21 Sun

Subject: Introducing Jazmin Rodriguez, Miss City of Fontana Volunteer 2021!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:03:06 02/05/21 Fri A liberal studies and theater arts major at @csusb, this @city_of_fontana_ca native is passionate about children�s mental health and body positivity as well as a 4-time recipient of the President�s Volunteer Service Award. Follow her at @misscityoffontanavol! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Good for both of them! (NT) -- LucidDreams, 18:08:58 02/06/21 Sat

Subject: CMN website gone. Where does the money go now?
Author: If they don't have this together already, I don't think there will be a 100th. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:30:18 02/06/21 Sat Just checked MissAmericaforKids.org and it can't "find the server". So for girls going to state this summer, who are they paying their $250 "entry fee" to? And what platform are they using for patrons to donate to specific girls? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Spotfund.com (NT) -- No name, 15:26:04 02/06/21 Sat

Subject: Judge's ballot and worksheet for Rod McKuen 1983 Miss America Pageant (Debbie M's year)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:48:27 02/04/21 Thu < IMG src="https://postimg.cc/gallery/Hpzmpdp" > [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can someone fix this? I posted it and it won't even allow me to edit. (NT) -- No name, 12:06:37 02/04/21 Thu All I see is a folder. (NT) -- No name, 12:38:28 02/04/21 Thu It upload the PDF will all 20 photos but it is only showing the cover. This is a stupid process. I tried to share, but I don't have the patience for this. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:44 02/04/21 Thu Just post the URL of the PDF (NT) -- No name, 14:52:02 02/04/21 Thu You the uploaded the folder correcty bc I cut and pasted the web site location and it worked. Somehow it didn't upload the rest of the notes. (NT) -- Remember you have to take out the <> spaces, 02:59:46 02/06/21 Sat

Subject: Former Buccaneer, Miss America 2020 to attend sober tailgate party before Super Bowl LV
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:05:35 02/04/21 Thu https://www.wfla.com/sports/the-big-game/former-buccaneer-miss-america-2020-to-attend-sober-tailgate-party-before-super-bowl-lv/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I guess they didn't hear Dr. Fauci's plea for no Super Bowl parties. (NT) -- No name, 15:10:50 02/04/21 Thu Did you not click in. They are outside, social distancing, and must provide negative COVID results to attend. Thanks to Camille for lending her presence to this event. (NT) -- No name, 15:38:46 02/04/21 Thu I missed that. Thanks for telling me, and I'm glad they're being safe. This is a good thing. (NT) -- No name, 19:24:40 02/04/21 Thu Camille has her own Homecoming party in NJ and violated state orders. She doesn't care about anybody but herself. She is not what the health profession needs with her selfishness. We can only hope she changes her path and stops bragging about being a future pharmacist. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:12 02/05/21 Fri Sponsored by Sober AF -- No name, 20:10:11 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: Introducing Rossana Martinez, Miss Palmdale 2021!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:06:50 02/05/21 Fri Pursuing her degree in Broadcast journalism at @calbaptist Rossana is an active member of her sorority @gao.alphachapter and a passionate advocate for homeless women�s healthcare! Follow @misspalmdalevol to stay up to date with her journey to the @misscavol crown! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Neville named chairperson of Niagara Falls Bridge Commission
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:56:28 02/05/21 Fri https://buffalonews.com/news/local/neville-named-chairperson-of-niagara-falls-bridge-commission/article_4385d5bc-67cd-11eb-8f69-c7c6f40518a3.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: This was posted earlier and then removed� not sure why, but it is the VERIFIED TRUTH and people/fans should have the information! Addition lawsuits have been filed over the NAME of a pageant in several states. The phrase �Miss State� is being used all over the country by MANY different types of pageants and this is just another attempt to do what they are doing to Donna Bozarth and her Board members - stop anyone from moving forward. It was also posted on this Board that the focus and money should be on the 100th Anniversary and paying out scholarships instead of spending money on lawsuits, as we have seen how those turn out. Our young women deserve the opportunity to choose where they compete and what organization they want to associate with. Please don�t silence information that people need to have. Thank you.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:00:29 01/29/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you for posting again. (NT) -- No name, 00:24:10 01/30/21 Sat Don't know what you are talking about. (NT) -- No name, 08:42:19 01/30/21 Sat There was a post about states suing Volunteer over the name Miss (state) Volunteer. The post and replies were deleted. (NT) -- ., 09:18:51 01/30/21 Sat Why was it taken down? I saw it also and was very interested in ready about the situation. Then it was just GONE. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:33 01/30/21 Sat Since the Miss America Organization has CONTINUED to make bad choices and there is not much left of their pageant, we need to figure out ways to GET THE information out there on alternative choices. (NT) -- No name, 09:49:56 01/30/21 Sat States must have a lot of money - what a waste of resources. It does not matter what all is on the sash, all,people see is "Miss State" and stop reading (NT) -- No name, 10:27:32 01/30/21 Sat Arkansas and Mississippi probably do have money but suing is such bad PR for everyone! Especially for that reason. Are they going to go after NAM because they use Miss State for every age division and the NAM logo is tiny on their sashes. I looked it up and there are TONS of different pageants in each state that use Miss State. This is just another way of them going after people who are a threat!! Good luck because Allison DeMarcus does have the means and resources to fight this!!! (NT) -- No name, 11:23:55 01/30/21 Sat Not just her.i If the for profits ban, they have the resources to fight it. NAM and IJM just merged. They have themselves a little gold mine. (NT) -- Do they own the trademark for Miss (state)? Can you even have that trademark?, 13:37:23 01/30/21 Sat TX, AR and MS are done of the states suing the Volunteer system. These states chose the wrong side of history. They had a chance to stand up and stand beside their fellow states. They cost unwisely. So now they are mad that they are losing girls. It's not the title on a sash, it's the program and the volunteers that attracts participants. Volunteer is offering that. (NT) -- No name, 11:27:50 01/30/21 Sat Can someone with some knowledge of this list the states that are being sued? Ha anyone asked Allison if this is true? (NT) -- No name, 11:54:09 01/30/21 Sat Those states have filed against Volunteers. Also PA. What a joke. (NT) -- No name, 13:13:40 01/30/21 Sat Volunteer (NT) -- No name, 13:14:23 01/30/21 Sat They want to eliminate other systems/competition...sad! But it is a true reflection of our country now (NT) -- No name, 13:25:24 01/30/21 Sat Considering THEY (The Miss America Pageant) has caused all of this, they deserve whatever they get. Once the Volunteer system gets up and running there will be MORE and MORE girls choosing it. Just watch! (NT) -- No name, 18:23:01 01/30/21 Sat I am just glad there are a few states with the money to help Miss America. Perhaps the organizations only hope. (NT) -- No name, 18:50:02 01/30/21 Sat This isn't new. They did this to Miss Usa that's why they don't said miss anymore. (NT) -- ., 06:29:09 01/31/21 Sun Then how can the pageant still be heard MISS USA? I wish Miss America would concentrate on running their own pageant (which is a total mess) and STOP worring about everyone else. They obviously are making LAST DITCH efforts. (NT) -- No name, 08:03:44 01/31/21 Sun How can the pageant be named Miss USA that is. (NT) -- No name, 08:05:02 01/31/21 Sun I mean that. When the state contestants don't be call Miss Alabama. When they get call in top 15 they called by their state not Miss state. (NT) -- ., 14:10:00 01/31/21 Sun Which is funny, since that is what Miss America started doing (NT) -- No name, 14:39:43 01/31/21 Sun Dear Lawrd- can you do a little editing before sending so we know what you all are saying... (NT) -- No name, 16:21:26 02/01/21 Mon It was a response to the comment above it, much like this is a comment to yours. In 2019, the girls began introducing themselves as "State" not "Miss State" See the irony? -- No name, 11:11:34 02/05/21 Fri Why are they spending scholarship money on a frivolous lawsuit? (NT) -- No name, 21:51:14 01/31/21 Sun It's so sad to me, but quite frankly, I LOVE what I'm seeing from Volunteer so far. Attractive, articulate girls. The photos I see seem to show the cream of the crop - what MAO used to be. As soon as the program is established in my tiny New England state, I'll be eager to sponsor. MAO has lost its way, Volunteer seems to be filling that void. (NT) -- Jay, 16:00:27 02/01/21 Mon I feel in the same boat. I'm not sold on Volunteer (I've been die-hard Miss America since the 80s and a lover of tradition) but if this year goes well and impresses me I will start donating my time and money to the organization. (NT) -- No name, 06:01:15 02/05/21 Fri Volunteer is a for profit - so monetary "donations" reap no tax benefit (just an fyi) (NT) -- No name, 15:49:11 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: Volunteer Pageant System
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:40:18 01/31/21 Sun Why do the posts about the new Volunteer Pageant System keep disappearing? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Exactly!! It�s very concerning! (NT) -- No name, 21:42:59 01/31/21 Sun A voy savvy person could start a new board (would need to be someoen who new how to,post pix etc). Make it moderated to stop the porn. (NT) -- No name, 09:52:20 02/01/21 Mon This board is moderated and please feel free to start a Volunteer board. (NT) -- Moderator, 14:00:53 02/05/21 Fri Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 14:31:12 02/05/21 Fri It was not a jab Moderator. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:49 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: So out of touch
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:59:18 02/05/21 Fri With all the friggin' things wrong with MAO, I can't believe they posted the following question on Facebook. Question of the Week: "How can we increase diverse representation in our political system?" What the hell is wrong with the MAO board and leadership? You have made no attempt whatsoever to fix Miss America, which has been steadily going downhill since Gretchen came on the scene. All of you need to resign. Why would anyone care what you say about "our political system" when you don't have enough intellect, savvy, contacts, etc. to return MAO to the previous position it held before your friend, Gretchen, destroyed it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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These questions are for candidates, mainly as interview/OSQ prep. I think it�s a pretty good one that all candidates should be able to answer. You can be frustrated with the leadership but this isn�t a good example for it. (NT) -- No name, 09:23:25 02/05/21 Fri Should definitely not be on the Miss America site. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:02 02/05/21 Fri Uh... Yes, it should. If most of the competition is scored off of hour ability to answer such questions, it makes sense to challenge titleholders to think about them. This is actually one of the few things I agree with. (NT) -- No name, 10:44:53 02/05/21 Fri Amen! amen! Unfortunately another perfect example of leadership only doing it for their personal gain not for the better of the organization (NT) -- No name, 09:24:40 02/05/21 Fri Well wouldn't the answer be to have more run and to have them receive more votes than their opponents? What else needs to be said? Stupid question (NT) -- No name, 11:29:16 02/05/21 Fri I thought I was missing something. More diverse candidates need to run for office and there isn't much else to say. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:38 02/05/21 Fri You CANNOT make anyone do something they do not want to. So the answer is "you cannot do anything" (NT) -- No name, 13:21:34 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: Congratulations to Maya Bythwood, Miss Dover 2021!
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Subject: Another Miss America Super Bowl-associated appearance
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:15:12 02/04/21 Thu https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/02/04/salute-to-service-stroll-to-raise-funds-for-veterans-ahead-of-super-bowl/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You go, girl (NT) -- No name, 09:50:06 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: RIP Tim Avant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:45:50 02/04/21 Thu Miss Mississippi Volunteer Scholarship Pageant It is with a heavy heart that we announce the passing of Tim Avant on February 2, 2021. Tim was excited to be the inaugural Producer of the Miss Mississippi Volunteer Pageant this summer and his absence will leave a huge hole in our program. A life so beautifully lived deserves to be beautifully remembered. Please join us as we celebrate the life of Tim. Tim�s passion was his love for music and band. He loved each and every student he taught. While attending MSU, Tim was drum major for �The Famous Maroon Band� as well as being their Auxiliary Coordinator for the past 5 years. He taught in the Mississippi Public School Systems for 26 years and retired as Director of Bands from the Louisville School District in 2014. His teaching career began in McComb, followed by stops at Southwest MS Community College, Kosciusko, Amory, West Point and Stone County. Having taught on all academic levels from kindergarten to college, his primary focus was middle school and high school band. His groups consistently received superior ratings in marching, concert and sight-reading. After graduating from West Point High School in 1977, he received his Bachelor of Music Education and Master of Music Education degrees from Mississippi State University. He served on the staff of the Florida All-Star Marching Band, Mississippi Lions All-State Band in 1992 and was Visual Coordinator for the 2006 International Champion Mississippi Lions All-State Band. In 1994 and 1995, he served as Visual Coordinator for Itawamba Community College�s WGI Southern Regional Finalist Indoor Color Guard. Tim was a member of the National Band Association, Mississippi Bandmasters Association and Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia. He served as an officer for the Northeast Mississippi Jr. High Band Directors Association, a former member of the Gulf Coast Band Directors and East Mississippi Band Directors Association. He adjudicates marching band, color guard and drum major throughout the Southeastern United States. Tim is survived by his brother, Clint Avant and wife Jennifer of West Point; sisters, Tina Avant of West Point and Lynn Nance and husband Delynn of Caledonia; nieces, Stephanie Smith, Megan Pennington (Colby); nephews, Zack Avant (Leah) and Clay Nance (Nikki) and a host of great nieces and nephews. A graveside Celebration of Life Service will be held Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:00pm from Odd Fellows Cemetery, Starkville, MS. The Famous Maroon Band will serve as honorary pallbearers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I hate covid (NT) -- No name, 23:10:28 02/04/21 Thu Was this the same gentleman whose picture and profile appeared on here a couple of weeks ago? I didn't read the notice, but I saw he was being featured as the individual who was going to head up the MS Volunteer Pageant. So sorry to hear this. (NT) -- No name, 01:28:14 02/05/21 Fri Never mind, just scrolled down and found that the post was still on here. (NT) -- No name, 01:33:53 02/05/21 Fri Is there anyone who loves it? (NT) -- No name, 08:01:05 02/05/21 Fri

Subject: How to post photos on Voy: an explanation for the novice
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:36:19 02/02/21 Tue To post pictures, you must use (HTML) computer code and have the web address of the photo. If I show you/use the proper HTML code, it will work and all you'd see is the photo, no code, so I'm adding a space between the < & > and the body of the code. Don't forget to remove the spaces when you go to post!! < IMG src="web address goes here" > You replace what�s within the quote marks �web address goes here� with the web address of the photo. So let's say you want to post the photo of Shantel Krebs and Jason Robinson from the interview post on the MAO Fan Forum FB page. To capture the pic's web address you can open the photo in its own tab and cut and paste the address of the photo in the search bar into the HTML code above. (there are other ways to capture a photo's address, depending on your device.) That web address of the photo is: https://external-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQF_fpR_n3cyKtFg&w=500&h=261&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fb3WyAgULjdw%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&cfs=1&ext=jpg&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQHmW9ag0ldns5TI Next we replace "web address goes here" with the actual web address: Here's what that looks like: < IMG src=" https://external-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQF_fpR_n3cyKtFg&w=500&h=261&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fb3WyAgULjdw%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&cfs=1&ext=jpg&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQHmW9ag0ldns5TI" > And here I used the entire proper code, without the < > spaces. All you'll see is the photo, none of the code, bc the code works!: Bonus time! If you want to adjust the size of the photo, you add: height=250 to the end of the code: < IMG src="web address goes here�height=250 > 250 is the size. You can play with the number- preview the posting/ photo size and adjust before posting. PREVIEW or you may end up posting a picture the size of Indiana, lol. Enjoy Gurus! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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What if the photos aren't from a website and don't have a URL? Like taken with phone? (NT) -- No name, 00:59:11 02/03/21 Wed They would have to be uploaded to the web. (NT) -- No name, 13:26:16 02/03/21 Wed Here's a simple website that will post the picture (without having to sign up): https://postimages.org (NT) -- No name, 15:47:09 02/03/21 Wed Thank you (NT) -- No name, 16:03:35 02/04/21 Thu

Subject: Will Miss America be participating in any Super Bowl activities/events this year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:13:00 01/31/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Probably not. It certainly was not mentioned in today's interview with Shantel. Who was not exactly reassuring in her deceptive and non transparent refusal to discuss things like sponsors, the MAOT saga, you name it. (NT) -- No name, 03:05:42 01/31/21 Sun Do we HAVE a reigning Miss America. If so, WHERE is she and what is she doing? (NT) -- No name, 08:17:54 01/31/21 Sun Heard Camille has stepped down BTS (NT) -- No name, 12:38:01 01/31/21 Sun Camille's one-year contract ended on the day the next Miss America was to be crowned in December. She has no obligation to the MAO now. She can move on with her life, as every other Miss America does when her one-year reign is over. (NT) -- No name, 18:45:27 01/31/21 Sun Unfortunately no one�s thinking about having Miss America be a part of their event anymore (NT) -- No name, 08:43:40 01/31/21 Sun She is not a celebrity so NO! Click in -- No name, 09:28:59 01/31/21 Sun To my knowledge Miss America hasn't participated in the Super Bowl pretty much ever. They did media week, but they haven't even done that recently. This year, there probably isn't anything. I think I read on here that Camille had moved on. There wasn't anything any winner could have done this year. And Miss America isn't any great title now, as the Click In poster said - the glam and prestige are gone, and it's gone forever. They've proven they're not going to listen, and that's why people are attacking and suing Volunteer. Girls are choosing that system because (GASP!) they like evening gown, they don't want a Ted Talk, and they LIKE Swimsuit and glamming and being beautiful. It's everything Miss America is NOT. Still with talent and interview. We like it, and they like it. (NT) -- No name, 10:09:36 01/31/21 Sun Nia was involved, and she was very popular. (NT) -- No name, 12:34:50 01/31/21 Sun God. Nia was not involved. She got attention because of USA and USA teen. (NT) -- No name, 14:35:05 01/31/21 Sun (NT) -- Oh yes she was!, 19:41:26 01/31/21 Sun (NT) -- No name, 19:41:59 01/31/21 Sun It looks to me like people there couldn't care less that she's there. I'm sure she asked Joe Namath for a photo instead of the other way around. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:59 02/01/21 Mon And you can tell this by looking at two pictures. She was part of the Super Bowl festivities. End of discussion! (NT) -- No name, 21:07:33 02/01/21 Mon Well considering all the people in the background and talking amongst themselves and nobody is even looking in her direction, I think I can safely say BASED ON THAT ONE PHOTO that nobody knew nor cared who she was nor that she was there. (NT) -- No name, 11:37:57 02/02/21 Tue I can safely say that you care more than you will admit. Envy? (NT) -- No name, 18:50:35 02/02/21 Tue She is beautiful! I'm sure if MAO would have had her wear crown and sash, there would have been a lot more interest! (NT) -- No name, 21:04:02 02/02/21 Tue She took 2 photos? That they probably had to beg for and I don�t see a crown or sash on her. So who is she? (NT) -- No name, 16:03:37 02/01/21 Mon This was a live event. I watched it. (NT) -- No name, 19:29:53 02/01/21 Mon Saw something on facebook about Camille heading to an event in Tampa. If she is done, is she doing this on her own? (NT) -- No name, 12:36:46 01/31/21 Sun Probably smart to distance from MAO at this point (NT) -- No name, 12:39:53 01/31/21 Sun She looks okay in the first pic with Joe Namath but she doesn't look so hot in the second one. And you're right. Not even the sash? (NT) -- No name, 16:49:41 02/01/21 Mon And two years ago I said that she was round shouldered, and u can see it here. (NT) -- No name, 17:11:53 02/01/21 Mon Would love to see what you look like. :) (NT) -- No name, 17:31:04 02/01/21 Mon Well I'm no Miss America, but at least I have a neck. (NT) -- No name, 17:56:36 02/01/21 Mon All I notice are the curves. Hottie. (NT) -- No name, 19:31:42 02/01/21 Mon Hers or the guys? Clearly her boob job hadn't dropped yet. (NT) -- No name, 16:11:32 02/02/21 Tue I know, goodness gracious. Where did she buy those boobs anyway, on sale at Target? (NT) -- No name, 16:18:22 02/02/21 Tue Really? Just can't help yourselves, can you? Always have to bash everyone. Heinous cows! (NT) -- No name, 12:41:26 02/04/21 Thu Oh c'mon the top pic with Joe N looks like flying saucers are about to land. (NT) -- No name, 12:52:36 02/04/21 Thu The 2 guys in the 2nd photo thought she was very hot! (NT) -- No name, 19:30:51 02/01/21 Mon Yes, a sober tailgater with former addict/Tamoa Bay Buc (NT) -- No name, 12:36:42 02/04/21 Thu

Subject: Heather Habura - Actress and former pageant competitor opens Bath coaching studio
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:10:45 02/04/21 Thu https://www.scriptype.com/2021/01/29/actress-and-former-pageant-competitor-opens-bath-coaching-studio/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Texas updates
Author: Me [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:29:41 02/03/21 Wed What�s going on in Texas about the Volunteer pageant? Do they have a spokeswoman? When and where is the state pageant? Any MAO girls likely to cross over? Who are most likely to do so? Have any girls given up MAO titles to switch to Volunteer? I�m sooo ready for a REAL pageant! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'm glad. Hate it when states "program" contestants. (NT) -- No name, 23:34:42 02/03/21 Wed

Subject: Kentucky Volunteer Program

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Date Posted: 19:13:57 02/03/21 Wed

Want to be crowned the first Miss Kentucky Volunteer or Miss Kentucky Teen Volunteer? Little Miss or Mister?
Competing in other National programs and wondering how you can compete for Miss Kentucky Volunteer as well?
Interested in directing a local pageant or being a volunteer?
Be sure to join us on February 20, 2021, via Zoom, for a Q and A session.
Meet Board Members and get answers to your questions.
Two lucky participants will win a $50 Ulta gift card (must be present to win).
Click on the link below to reserve your �seat.� Be sure to register now! Deadline is February 15, 2021.
Let�s have a pageant!
https://docs.google.com/.../1FAIpQLSdLgyNmSJfBQG.../viewform

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Subject: Just watched the interviews for Tara Holland's year. Can someone post who the preliminary judges were that year along with Carolyn Sapp's year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:58:01 01/22/21 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You know what, l can't stand watching these interviews. Maybe it's just me but these contestants just seem so programmed and so phony from the minute they get into the room to the minute they leave (NT) -- No name, 12:24:02 01/22/21 Fri Too many mock interviews. (NT) -- No name, 22:39:43 01/22/21 Fri Carolyn Sapp Year prelim judges: Vernon Desear, Mary D'Arcy, BeBe Shopp, Glen Richter, Malcom Poindexter, Mary Jennings Gelfer and Tony Stevens. (NT) -- No name, 17:14:28 01/22/21 Fri That guy asking a contestant about her state�s dog- waste of time! Some of these judges (state & national) have zero substance. Haven�t you ever looked at someone who judges multiple state pageants and think, �How on earth do THEY get entrusted to do this?� (NT) -- No name, 08:00:05 01/23/21 Sat All the time. There are so many that are recycled year after year. If someone asked me what was my Staye dog I�d say Snoopy. Don�t know and don�t care. (NT) -- No name, 08:56:42 01/23/21 Sat I judged a local pageant with a seasoned state level judge- she judged my state and at least one other (saw her on one of the Pageants HayDay videos). She asked some ridiculous questions AND she asked the exact same questions of each contestant. (NT) -- No name, 10:21:47 01/23/21 Sat Who was she? (NT) -- No name, 13:16:34 01/25/21 Mon From Illinois. (NT) -- No name, 18:13:45 01/29/21 Fri Regarding "recycled" judges namely at state pageants----its really all about you judging at your friend's pageant who in turn has you judge their state pageant. Sadly, its all about who you know than the real qualifications and accomplishments of people to be on state pageant judging panels. And then later, of course, they brag about being on the state panel when so-and-so is named Miss America. There should be no nepotism of state or local pageant directors of judging pageants within the same system. (NT) -- If a Miss Arkansas CEO judges Alabama's Junior Miss or NY Teen-USA..then ok. But not MAO., 18:05:15 01/30/21 Sat What did others think about the comment that Tara made that the perks of being Miss America was not the reason she was there, but rather the passion she had for her platorm and how she desired a bigger audience to spread her message. Unless your platform is going to be your life's work (Kaye lani was a registered nurse, lived her platform every day, and encouraged others to consider the nursing field because of the shortage) I don't see how a 20-something can be so wrapped up in a social issue that she becomes emotional about it at the end of her Miss America interview. (NT) -- No name, 00:27:23 01/23/21 Sat Phony baloney! She showed us who she is when she said she would like to defund/get rid of the National Endowment for the Arts.Tara Holland wanted an organization like Miss America to provide her exposure for her literacy/illiteracy platform to amplify her message, however, Tara is for denying others the opportunity to have a national outlet/platform like the National Endowment for the Arts to help artists, musicians, writers and non profits further their dreams and hard work that would not otherwise have the financial resources/exposure, by ending the NEA. It's too bad the judges didn't question her on that opinion. (NT) -- No name, 04:49:43 01/23/21 Sat I still chuckle over her top 5 question where she stated she'd give an illiterate person, struggling to fill out a job application, a copy of her book. - lol. O.K......are you going to read it to them too? After all, the are ILLITERATE. This was during the Leonard Horn era when all aspects of competition were thrown away and it was platform platform platform, at the expense of all else. (NT) -- No name, 10:33:36 01/23/21 Sat Umm, she said audio book (NT) -- No name, 01:17:27 01/25/21 Mon So if someone is illiterate, do you think listening to an audio book will allow them to fill out a job application? Unless that audio book was an extensive reading and writing course, I don't think it was a realistic solution. (NT) -- No name, 01:37:46 01/25/21 Mon The book is about how to read, so yeah, I think an audio book on how to read will help them fill out a job application (NT) -- No name, 19:27:41 01/25/21 Mon She said she'd give them her book or a audio copy. So both are correct. (NT) -- No name, 01:58:06 01/25/21 Mon I thought Tara was a phoney, but to your point, I think it is possible some young women are that deeply entrenched. I'll never forget when I was in high school, one of my friends had a father who graduated high school without being able to read. He fell through the cracks (very poor, grew up in a poor district), and when we were teens, it came to light that his workplace had been screwing him out of money. He was being paid 50 cents on the dollar from his co-workers. I don't remember how it came to light, but he went to his boss and the boss said he signed the contract. Apparently they knew he couldn't read and so they had him sign a contract (no one else signed one). My parents told him to sue, but they were too poor to get a lawyer and my parents weren't well off either to help. But I'll never forget that poor man. My friend was all about this from that time on and became a school teacher solely to make sure all kids learned to read (NT) -- No name, 12:26:06 01/30/21 Sat You have to remember that Tara had been competing for 7+ years at this point so her interview was very rehearsed very orchestrated very robotic she was telling them exactly what she thought she needed to say to win the pageant. (NT) -- No name, 10:30:22 01/23/21 Sat Preliminary judges for Tara year were: Myron Martin, Warwick Carter Ph.D., Noreen Skagen, Kim Morgan, Tandy Rice, Jacquelyn Myer ( Miss America 1963) and Rich Taylor. (NT) -- No name, 10:50:07 01/23/21 Sat I was surprised by KY, I think she was my favorite. LA was spunky but a little too oblivious to the ways of the world. TX stood her ground and was far from programmed or over rehearsed. FL was blah. I didn't find any redeeming qualities in her. KS- saw through the BS and felt she was insincere. (NT) -- No name, 11:58:34 01/23/21 Sat I loved the way the one judge drilled LA about being a gang member and wanted her to convince the judge that it wasn't a good life choice. Surely a good cause, but I'm not sure a gang member would be able to relate to a beauty queen who was on her way to law school and probably had never encountered any hardship in her entire lifetime. (NT) -- No name, 00:03:15 01/24/21 Sun That interview of Tara�s proved two things to me. That 1. She could�ve made a fantastic politician or 2. She could�ve been an academy award winning actress. (NT) -- No name, 01:42:53 01/24/21 Sun After some on here was complaining about her winning, I expected to see an awful interview. I thought Tara did great and she was a great Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:32 01/24/21 Sun Tara had a fabulous interview. (NT) -- No name, 09:37:16 01/25/21 Mon I think Mr Desear was one of the best judges ever. (NT) -- No name, 19:13:50 01/26/21 Tue Through my years as an avid pageant enthusiast, I've heard more negative word-of-mouth about Tara Holland & one other than anyone else. I was rooting for Patricia Leines yet Tara Holland didn't have too much competition her year. She was just about the only one with the looks to be Miss America. (NT) -- Tandy Rice voted for her., 11:57:50 01/28/21 Thu She was the least liked contestant that year due to her antics and rudeness with contestants and pageant staff. What people saw on stage and on the interview tape wasn�t what the contestants saw that week. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:33 01/28/21 Thu I can tell you that our state rep confirmed that. Behind the scenes she wasn't there to make friends or enjoy the experience. She was there to win, and only win, and didn't care who she angered in the process. (NT) -- No name, 23:09:57 01/28/21 Thu What was the issue with her wrist at talent rehearsal? Did she not rehearse? I could be wrong but I remember hearing something about her having a wrist injury all week. (NT) -- No name, 06:50:57 01/29/21 Fri Supposedly, she had a wrist injury that caused her to bail on rehearsals and appearances while everyone else had to go to all that. You'd never know her wrist hurt on finals night though would you considering when she won her hands flapped like a bird (NT) -- No name, 12:28:15 01/30/21 Sat There's nothing worse than seeing the biggest bitch at the pageant crowned. (NT) -- No name, 17:59:22 02/01/21 Mon That one would make a great topic. When was the biggest bitch crowned? Tara would definitely be one. (NT) -- No name, 00:49:18 02/03/21 Wed Definitely Tara. I was very close to our state rep that year who placed top ten, and Tara was a handful. It was rumored she took herself out of practices, meals, just so she could maintain her structured work out and diet schedule. The "rules are for thee but not for me" diva attitude was there the entire week. She was an unfortunate winner. Definitely the wrong woman won.Ericka Harold was also a stuck up prig her year too, also from a state rep who was there that year. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:20 02/03/21 Wed My state rep told me that a lot of the other girls started freezing Harold out because they knew what MA was looking for that year (highly educated) and they all knew that Harold had it in the bag at that point. (NT) -- No name, 17:47:30 02/03/21 Wed

Subject: Now that we are in 2021, how does the age cut-off work?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:26:07 01/29/21 Fri Jane Doe turned 25 in 2020. She was signed up to be in a local, but that local was cancelled due to COVID. Now her local disbanded (moved to MVA). Since she will be 26 before MOA this year is she eligible for a new local or open/sweeper? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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should be grandfathered (NT) -- m, 23:32:17 01/29/21 Fri Would she need to show her signed contract from last year as proof? (NT) -- No name, 10:28:45 01/30/21 Sat There is no signed contractors for last year they were never released (NT) -- No name, 14:24:45 01/30/21 Sat Well all the girls signed one. What is to prevent a never ran, but I am now 26 from competing? Seems most infair to all the girks who did lose a year and will never get it back (NT) -- No name, 16:09:57 01/30/21 Sat Covid is unfair to the point of death. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:52 02/01/21 Mon Talk to all those people who lived through the Depression and World War 2. They had to make sacrifices, and no one complained. We are ALL dealing with lost opportunities. As my Scottish grandmother said after her house was bombed: "Carry on!" and "Make do." (NT) -- No name, 19:17:17 02/02/21 Tue Just trying to determine eligibility. They did that in the depression too. Is it our day to go get rations? Heck during the 70s gas rationing & California water rationing days ... can I water the lawn today? (NT) -- No name, 20:52:37 02/02/21 Tue Anyone who had a title or was age eligible in the 2020 year can compete for the 2021 titles.. (NT) -- No name, 16:11:47 02/02/21 Tue so, yes. Anyone (whether this is their first go or not) who is 26 can compete for a local in 2021. (NT) -- No name, 20:50:30 02/02/21 Tue Yes. (NT) -- No name, 12:23:38 02/03/21 Wed

Subject:
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:46:31 02/01/21 Mon Allison DeMarcus Oh, how I miss the days of human interaction, gathering on stage, backstage, or in the audience, and being with my Miss Volunteer America Pageant family! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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In that color photo, who is the woman in blue gown on the far left and the woman with crown, center-stage---was that before or after she was crowned? (NT) -- What year was this in Jackson, Tennessee??, 21:36:55 02/01/21 Mon Definitely Jackson. That's Allison in the light blue, her mom Jane in the dark blue. I think that's the outgoing queen holding the crown. (NT) -- No name, 22:32:34 02/01/21 Mon If that's Miss Tennessee 2018, she looks stunning in that silver gown. (NT) -- No name, 22:53:23 02/01/21 Mon I could be wrong, but I think the girl in the silver gown is Christine Williamson. (NT) -- No name, 23:25:41 02/01/21 Mon Who posted this? Was it Allison? Was this an actual Miss TN Volunteer Pageant or is this from Miss TN-MAO and someone just photo shopped "Volunteer" in there? (NT) -- So many questions....so little time!, 16:43:03 02/02/21 Tue Allison posted it on social media and someone copied and pasted it here (NT) -- No name, 18:12:52 02/02/21 Tue

Subject: https://youtu.be/b3WyAgULjdw
Author: D [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:00:34 01/30/21 Sat Watch "Chairman, Interim President, and CEO of the Miss America Organization, Shantel Krebs" on YouTube She said, amongst other things, the following; 1. Details regarding the pageant date will be announced shortly 2. Pageant judging criteria will remain the same 3. Pageant sponsors info will be announced very soon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She's been saying the same things since last summer. Hard to believe anything she says, especially when she hardly takes any real questions. Yawn. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:53 01/30/21 Sat Very anticlimax -- Josh, 15:05:16 01/30/21 Sat So if there were no real announcements, why didn't she suggest Camille do this interview instead of her? (NT) -- No name, 15:48:08 01/30/21 Sat Because then it wouldn't be about Shantel...she made the whole interview about her. I would expect a Miss America would have been a little more respectful to Jason and maybe would have given more information, which is exactly what Shantel was trying to prevent (NT) -- No name, 12:32:43 01/31/21 Sun Because she's an Attention seeking tart. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:44 02/01/21 Mon The organization/leadership is failing....when you put people in charge who used it for their own personal gain...this what happens. However it�s a true reflection of what America has turn into. The Miss America Pageant that I grew up watching, enjoying and volunteering for is GONE! And unfortunately it�s not ever coming back. (NT) -- No name, 15:52:28 01/30/21 Sat I have serious doubts this pageant is going to make it under the present leadership. That interview was essentially deflect and drivel. (NT) -- No name, 00:46:40 01/31/21 Sun Yep never coming back. Are Starr�s doing in person pageants or virtual. ? (NT) -- No name, 07:46:19 01/31/21 Sun Not one detail of information shared -- No name, 08:04:13 01/31/21 Sun There is something about the interview that really made me want to distrust her. I realize that is a gut reaction that is not fair, but I suppose I wanted to see some hope for things turning around and cannot. (NT) -- No name, 08:33:30 01/31/21 Sun the interview was so sad. softball questions that meant nothing only to be answered by nothing. it's over. All talked about was the social impact and candidates. it's a political job now. (NT) -- No name, 09:08:29 01/31/21 Sun Yes...she emphasized that they are �candidates� and not contestants...and that they want potential sponsors and the public to know that they are a �competition� and not a pageant. She said thats been an important focus. As you said, she talked about the job and it being a job interview. It was made clear that glamour and �pageant� aspects will remain gone. (NT) -- No name, 09:37:18 01/31/21 Sun Sad...what a boring competition it will be...maybe public television will air it or a news/political channel (NT) -- No name, 11:17:34 01/31/21 Sun She and the others ruined the pageant. Nobody wants to see some silly girls competing in a nothing entity. Bring it on Allison! We still have our pageant and that is what we will be following and watching. (NT) -- No name, 12:32:59 01/31/21 Sun I found the interview very frustrating...She kept referring to things that leadership in the past had accomplished for the organization ..I want to know what you�re doing as a new leader! ..what have you accomplished.. what do you have set up for the future. Instead its that same old song and dance trust me everything�s gonna be just fabulous..everything�s gonna be great you�re gonna be excited..you�re gonna love it! (NT) -- No name, 12:06:52 01/31/21 Sun Oh my goodness. She is so ugly. She cannot communicate. Of no interest whatsoever. (NT) -- No name, 12:44:28 01/31/21 Sun I really think this org is in trouble! It seems as though MAO is shifting to focusing on a MAs platform, that will be the focus of 365 days. This is concerning because as we�ve seen with Nia not everyone is interested in music arts opera, with Camille you lose a lot of your audience with elementary level science projects or science in general. I do find the drug aspect a little more interesting. So my point is by focusing solely on a platform, which will change each year, they will only engage ppl who are interested in that aspect. Also this only makes me wonder even more who is Miss America???? (NT) -- No name, 13:03:30 01/31/21 Sun Continued...I listened to the interview again and I�m pretty sure the date location & judging criteria comments were for the Teens. Please let me know if you got something different from it. But Shantel does mention �Network� when talking about the 100th. I do think she�s given a hint of what they want to see in the platform you submit but other than that not much info was given in this interview about where the org stands or what�s happening. I absolutely believe that if the 100th is not a slamming success locals and volunteers will drop like something we�ve never seen before. (NT) -- No name, 13:13:25 01/31/21 Sun If you want to play a drinking game, take a shot every time she says �Or-gan-NYE-zhay-shun� (NT) -- No name, 13:36:46 01/31/21 Sun You can also use the word �diversity�!! (NT) -- No name, 19:30:11 01/31/21 Sun This interview just didn�t really tell us anything. (NT) -- No name, 00:28:54 02/01/21 Mon Bottom line: If this is a competition for a job, with Miss State being a candidate, it should not be televised. Would any of you like for YOUR job interview to be televised? They've taken out all of the ingredients and magic, they should at least leave the "candidates" their dignity. Then they can put a nice photo of the new hire in all the news outlet and stop all the nonsense that has become the norm for MA 2.0. It's obvious that they don't want anything to obscure the image of a working woman, but if I want to see that, I'll look in the mirror. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:50 02/01/21 Mon As someone who spent many years in the state pageant judging circuit Shantel's interview was all buzzwords and cliches. She provided no content. For example, she talked about professional development for candidates, but she didn't give any specifics or substance as to what it was. She provided no insight into specific changes the Board has been undertaking since the last pageant was held. It was an interview that was an inch deep, and if I were scoring it or observing it for purposes of hiring her, the score would be very low. (NT) -- No name, 22:18:39 02/01/21 Mon She also said in a meeting last night that they are tying up loose ends on a venue and location that is better than the Rosen Centre in Orlando for the Teens. She is a joke (NT) -- No name, 09:42:23 02/02/21 Tue The Rosen Center and the Performing Arts theatre that they used were so perfect. Orlando in the summer is the perfect family vacation. The schedule was perfect, and has been for all of these years. If there is something better, I will be watching and waiting because for the teens what was already in place was close to perfection. (NT) -- Teens have had their titles for over a year and deserve answers, 09:54:52 02/02/21 Tue The teens are accustomed to a great time in Orlando that was top-notch in every way. MAO has their work cut out to find an equal place. But, it really shouldn't be a competition to see which group can do a a better job. I am sure the former leadership will want nothing but the best for the teens. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:24 02/02/21 Tue

Subject: Shantel's interview
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:36:33 01/31/21 Sun Having never met Shantel or heard her speak, I was anxious to hear this interview. Though she has been very criticized on these boards, I am one who likes to make my own decision based on what I experience as oppose to just follow everyone else. My overall reaction was not good. She had a clear agenda that she was going to talk about regardless of what she was asked. She would shower Jason with compliments and then just proceed down the road she wanted. Her talking points seemed very untrue and stale. Much like MAO's old "Miss America travels 20,000 miles a month" narrative. Let me give you all some specific examples. Shantel talks all about having a platform message and using that during the winner's year. That sounds great. Camille was billed a the "scientist Miss America". A different hook that was fresh to this system. Then a once in a hundred year pandemic hits. The perfect coupling of science and information. What happens? Did Camille ever do ONE appearance dealing with Corona and the science behind staying safe? In the few things I saw, I never saw that. This blend of current events and her brand would have given MAO the perfect opportunity to return to the prominent appearances they use to have. Second example: Preparing great women for the future. How does MAO exactly do that? By offering a infrequent zoom seminar? Are there other prep items I don't know about. Third example: MAOT That question was the most uncomfortable minute. We all are learning what really went down behind the scenes here and she is acting like nothing occurred. I know a leader needs to always try and put a positive spin on things, but in my state, Teen numbers have plummeted. The leader needs to at least not pretend nothing occurred Final, but not least, example: Her constant messaging that the Board is very much in control and working so hard. Many of us have heard stories where that is not true. It sounds like the board just follows whatever Shantel says. How many of those members have seen the financials? How many are questioning why certain things are happening? The only board news we ever hear is about the members who are leaving. I found it strange that Shantel made a point of frequently including them in the story. And Poor Jason. He didn't seem to know what hit him. I haven't seen his other interviews, but he wasn't in charge any of these 18 minutes. I love Miss America. I want its 100th year to be it's best year yet. After hearing our leader, I have really concerns. That is my frank take on what I heard. Anyone else? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's the Mallory and Shantel show. And if you don't agree with them, then you are wrong. It's so sad. so sad that 2.0 (and whatever this is) killed Miss A. (NT) -- No name, 17:15:25 01/31/21 Sun Nailed it. She is yet another dishonest leader. You can see right through her tactics too get the real story.. Sad as she will also shoulder the burden of killing this program. (NT) -- No name, 18:31:33 01/31/21 Sun No sponsors and no details about a competition -- No name, 18:57:15 01/31/21 Sun When I saw that interview I was simply sad. The combination of hubris and stupidity we are seeing is simply toxic to the pageant. I used to think the Governor was the worst politician in the history of SD. I was wrong. Shantel is. Mallory simply disappoints me in new ways each time she posts. (NT) -- No name, 21:50:30 01/31/21 Sun Mallory can't seem to follow a straight course, which is part of the overall problem with MA. In 2017, she scorned associating with it, calling their search for new leaders "laughable and insulting." (quote from AP) Makes me wonder what she was offered to do what she does now....which, I hate to say, is "laughable and insulting." (NT) -- No name, 10:10:29 02/01/21 Mon I didn�t understand why Shantel was claiming announcements of date/location of our 100th pageant have to be done when it best works for our sponsors. Who are they? And do they hold that much financial power over MAO? (NT) -- No name, 12:39:13 02/01/21 Mon Sorry but I think this is a smokescreen so she doesn't have to reveal that there are no real sponsors; they don't have things signed on the dotted line etc. In early December they announced Godiva as a "sponsor" but then Godiva announced they are shutting down all brick&mortar stores. Seems that Shantel is just deflecting like a politician would do, versus a leader of nonprofit org. Bottom line, I don't believe anything she says as the truth. (NT) -- No name, 12:48:19 02/01/21 Mon Godiva as a major sponsor of Miss America?? Now, that's a good one! (NT) -- No name, 13:19:35 02/01/21 Mon Just like American Airlines during Nia�s year. What happened to them? (NT) -- No name, 15:33:42 02/01/21 Mon I forgot about American Airlines! Did they do ANYTHING with MIss America?? (NT) -- No name, 17:50:51 02/01/21 Mon Total politician. I walked away thinking that she�s waiting on her �sponsors� NBC and Mohegan Sun to announce the 100th at the Mohegan in December. TV will again be produced by Brent and will be a similar show to last year with a little 100th history intertwined. (NT) -- No name, 13:00:42 02/01/21 Mon I wonder if the real truth is that Mohegan Sun and NBC and not yet wanting to confirm OR looking for a clause out. Time will tell (NT) -- No name, 12:47:15 02/02/21 Tue

Subject: Are they serious?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:26:30 02/01/21 Mon I just took a really good look at 2.0's page, and I was more than a little surprised that they're asking for donations before any information is offered. Then I understood--when you look at the "sponsors and partners," there are no powerhouse companies, no huge corporate sponsors at all. I can remember when corporate sponsors included car companies, electronic (i.e. makers of televisions and/or refrigerators etc were prominently featured) makers, and so on, but they're gone. So are the big scholarships, because without companies like Fruit of the Loom, Ford Motor, or GE, getting the money isn't possible. Oh, and while I was at it, I sneaked a peek at Miss USA, and unless I misunderstood (and I may have), it looks as though they're considering adding talent. If they do--and I know that's a big if--it will finish what was started back when Yolande Betbeze started by refusing to be photographed in a swimsuit after she won. Maybe they can get Catalina back as a sponsor, eh? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did not see anything about talent competition. Did see the talent booking contact (talent is a generic catch-all term for spokeperson/performer etc) (NT) -- No name, 15:49:54 02/01/21 Mon Yes, USA is not adding talent but they are under new management who promises to bring back glam and powerhouse appearances for the reigning Miss USA. They are also moving her to an LA apt. Very exciting things happening in that system. (NT) -- No name, 16:34:37 02/01/21 Mon

Subject: Congratulations Miss Northwest Tennessee Volunteer Morgan Martin
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Subject: Introducing Nicolette Sichmeller, Miss Ventura County Volunteer 2021
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 05:27:00 02/01/21 Mon With a passion for educating others about the importance of bone marrow donation, this business major at @moorparkcollege plans to open a branch of her family�s insurance agency in the next 10 years. Follow @missventuracountyvol on her journey to the @misscavol stage this summer! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Introducing! Miss Coronado Volunteer, Lauren Griffin!

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Date Posted: 05:23:39 02/01/21 Mon

A Coronado High School Senior, Lauren is an excellent student who excels academically with a passion for helping her fellow students. Her leadership in the �Student to Student� program brings military and civilian students together to welcome new students, create a positive environment, support academic excellence and
ease transitions. This program is close to her heart because she feels a personal connection is a basic condition to strengthen the mental health and well-being of teens and young adults.

Be sure to follow Lauren at @misscoronadovol on her journey to the @misscavol stage this July

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Subject: Seven months from the first Miss Volunteer America, will we see every state represented?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:46:06 01/28/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I think someone said if a State doesn't have a pageant they may just look at paperwork and appoint someone based on photos and a brief virtual interview. But that's just what I heard and I have no idea if that's true. I would think they'd want all 51 States (DC may be a State by then). (NT) -- No name, 13:03:50 01/28/21 Thu No, thats for their spokeperson. Each state has the option to have a state spokesperson year that will not be advancing to the state or national pageants. It is a great idea to help states promote the new organization. (NT) -- No name, 00:42:04 02/01/21 Mon Oregon is having a virtual fundraiser/kid competition, open nationwide! -- No name, 21:43:38 01/28/21 Thu cool (NT) -- No name, 23:03:31 01/28/21 Thu Even if they are not all represented the first year, it is a START and huge undertaking. I am just SO glad there will be another quality pageant for young women to compete it. Just like how the teen pageant used to be only a few states that did them, look what it grew into. (and was then destroyed by the Miss America Organization) This to can grow the same way. Best of luck to Volunteer. Totally behind you! (NT) -- No name, 09:12:01 01/29/21 Fri Each state will have a representative I was told by my ED. (NT) -- No name, 00:43:02 02/01/21 Mon ..It would be nice if someone here or even on the Miss Volunteer website would list which states (and DC?) still need director and when are the state pageants are scheduled--as of now during the era of a COVID-19 health pandemic. (NT) -- See no state director listing here: http://missvolunteeramerica.net/, 23:22:52 01/31/21 Sun Why would they do that now? With all of the law suits MAO people are doing? (NT) -- No name, 00:44:53 02/01/21 Mon It is really bothersome that every time something is posted about Volunteer and what's happening it is removed. Like the post about the states filling against Volunteer for naming rights, which is so ridiculous and a waste of time and money. (NT) -- No name, 00:48:07 02/01/21 Mon I had not noticed the items being removed. You can always start a voy board just for Volunteer. (NT) -- No name, 05:13:51 02/01/21 Mon

Subject: Rest in Peace Cloris Leachman, actress and former Miss Chicago.
Author: She was truly one of my favorite 1970's actresses [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:19:52 01/27/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh no, first Mary, then Georgette, then Rhoda, now Phyllis. (NT) -- 4 glorious comedic actresses, 17:43:59 01/27/21 Wed Aww. Phyllis/Mary Tyler Moore. We need to put Betty White in a bubble. Too many greats being lost. (NT) -- No name, 17:46:20 01/27/21 Wed Well, beloved actress and comic Betty White just turned 99 years young exactly two weeks ago--Sunday, January 17, 2020. She (as Sue Ann Nivens) and Lou Grant -- (played by Edward Asner who is now 91) are about the last ones left from the Mary Tyler More show., 22:46:29 01/31/21 Sun Well, beloved actress and comic Betty White just turned 99 years young exactly two weeks ago--Sunday, January 17, 2021. She (as Sue Ann Nivens) and Lou Grant -- (played by Edward Asner who is now 91) are about the last ones left from the Mary Tyler More show., 22:48:36 01/31/21 Sun After competing in the 1946 Miss America pageant, she secured a scholarship to study under Elia Kazan at the Actors Studio in New York City, making her professional debut in 1948. (NT) -- No name, 18:21:28 01/27/21 Wed How did Cloris do in the 1946 pageant? (NT) -- No name, 19:08:49 01/27/21 Wed Top 16 (NT) -- No name, 20:04:54 01/27/21 Wed Thanks, I always thought she was a striking looking woman. But once again another case of an actress "deglamourizing" herself and then winning the Oscar--"The Last Picture Show " (NT) -- No name, 20:42:23 01/27/21 Wed LPS was a sensational movie and her role, although somewhat subdued, was astonishing. But she showed her versatility in comedy. I never watched MTM much but the spinoff "Phyllis" was hysterical, even though Mother Dexter stole the show from the rest of the cast. (NT) -- She will be missed for sure., 23:52:57 01/27/21 Wed She was a truly amazing actress. My first notice of her came in 1969, when she was in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. She had such marvelous versatility, and her talent was extraordinary;her comedic roles were a delight right from her first entrance on screen. Rest well, Ms. Leachman, and thank you. (NT) -- No name, 19:38:40 01/29/21 Fri What was her talent in the Miss America Pageant? (NT) -- No name, 06:41:55 01/30/21 Sat a comedy sketch (NT) -- No name, 10:00:52 01/30/21 Sat Thank you. (NT) -- No name, 14:04:11 01/31/21 Sun She competed at Miss America as Miss Chicago. She was not Miss Illinois, and I'm curious about how this worked. Can someone explain? (NT) -- No name, 11:24:15 01/30/21 Sat until 1959, cities could enter their own contestants independent of a state pageant. beginning in 1960, Miss America went to state pageant winners only (NT) -- robert, 12:07:33 01/30/21 Sat Miss Chicago was a direct feeder pageant into Miss America. It wasn't until after MAO changed the rule to eliminate city pageants that Miss Chicago started feeding in to the Miss Illinois State Pageant. There used to be a Miss New York City Pageant that also fed directly into Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 14:17:59 01/30/21 Sat In the beginning, there were lots of cities competing....New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati , etc. By the mid to late fifties it had winnowed down to only Chicago, NYC, and Washington DC. Also, Canada, Puerto Rico, In addition, AL and HA competed before they were states. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:05 01/30/21 Sat WOW before Alabama became a state? Well, the Yellowhammer state entered the union on December 14, 1819...were there Miss America competitions (NT) -- held that early into the 1800s? Or perhaps it was AK...as in Alaska in 1959??, 20:48:42 01/30/21 Sat To WOW.....yes, you are correct. I screwed up an abbreviation. It's late and I'm tired, but it was so noble of you to get out your trusty little trumpet and climb to the top of the highest mountain and blow to let the rest of the Universe know that I screwed up. And what an essential piece of information that you shared in regard to the Yellowtail state.....oops, I did it again, "Yellowhammer (whatever the hell that is) state's admission date into the Union. I'll certainly bet you are the life of the party! Thank you for setting me straight! (NT) -- I made a mistake in an abbreviation. I should be shot!, 21:51:11 01/30/21 Sat Well, as if we all KNOW who you are and where you are? No need to take that person's correction notice so personally and especially as if we all know which anonymous posted had it as AL instead of AK. But it was a funny posting too. (NT) -- Instead of using that time to complain you could have searched online what is a yellowhammer?, 20:32:36 01/31/21 Sun Glad you enjoyed my sense of humor.....Now, do you know what you can do with your Yellowhammer? (NT) -- No name, 21:14:26 01/31/21 Sun Cloris Leachman appeared on The Tonight Show the same night Suzette Charles appeared after Vanessa Williams' resignation. Cloris told an anecdote about what a bitch Joan Collins is. (NT) -- It's available for viewing on YouTube., 15:42:04 01/30/21 Sat If you are going to post that comment about Cloris and even repeat the vulgar word, then how about at least including the link to the YouTube video you speak of? Kind of helpful, ya think? Here she is with fill-in host Joan Rivers from 1984. (NT) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6H5QuAUydU, 17:50:54 01/30/21 Sat Cloris is funny here with interviewer Robin Roberts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6A0sRY_o5o (NT) -- Last photo of Cloris: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/K6A0sRY_o5o/maxresdefault.jpg, 18:06:08 01/30/21 Sat Well, cut her some slack. Her husband and Joan carried on a longtime affair. Hence the strong words. (NT) -- No name, 01:50:39 01/31/21 Sun

Subject: Phyllis George

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Date Posted: 20:28:29 01/31/21 Sun

For those of you who are interested in vintage pageants, I just saw an interesting clip on You Tube.
It is a local TV newscast featuring footage of Phyllis being crowned as Miss Texas and a press conference the following day.
The crowning scene looks just like her at Miss America (same dress/hairstyle.)
And before you start badgering me, No, I'm not posting the link.
Just go to the You Tube search bar and put in WFAA Phyllis George Crowning and it should come up.

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Subject: Being covid bored i thought I'd provide some non pageant movie trivia.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:42:48 01/19/21 Tue Name the movies these quotes come from: A) Plug it up, plug it up!! B) It might as well be three million, well, we'll just have to raise it. C) I'm a poor ignorant, opinionated girl. D) Do you want anything for your feet? Yeah, how 'bout a saw? E) Sir Horace is having problems with his pfiffle valve. Such a valve has yet to be invented Madame. F) Hyman Roth always made money for his partners. G)I'm a MAN. Well, nobody's perfect. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1. Carrie. (NT) -- No name, 13:44:19 01/19/21 Tue Yes, A is Carrie (1976) (NT) -- No name, 13:51:02 01/19/21 Tue b is gone with the wind (NT) -- bob, 14:35:16 01/19/21 Tue Yes, correct Bob. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:56 01/19/21 Tue F - The Godfather, Part II? (NT) -- No name, 15:45:32 01/19/21 Tue Right you are, F is The Godfather Part 2 (1974). Very good. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:21 01/19/21 Tue OP: C, D, and a G are all highly acclaimed Oscar-winning movies. (NT) -- No name, 15:56:00 01/19/21 Tue "a" typo. (NT) -- No name, 15:57:27 01/19/21 Tue OP: Another hint: D holds an Oscar record that has never been broken to this day. (NT) -- No name, 16:02:07 01/19/21 Tue Silence of the Lambs? (NT) -- No name, 16:31:09 01/19/21 Tue One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? (NT) -- No name, 16:45:53 01/19/21 Tue G - Some Like It Hot (I am waaay to old) (NT) -- No name, 16:24:05 01/19/21 Tue No you're not. But u are right. G is Some Like It Hot (1959). Congrats (NT) -- No name, 16:28:24 01/19/21 Tue Sorry, D is not Silence of the Lambs, but logical guess. (NT) -- No name, 16:34:36 01/19/21 Tue OP again: just a clarification--Silence of The Lambs is tied for the Oscar record with It Happened One Night (1934) and Cuckoo's Nest (1975). That record was winning all 5 of the top awards. Here D holds the Oscar record on its own. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:30 01/19/21 Tue Perhaps there is confusion over the word "record". A record could be negative as well as positive. For example the two movies with the MOST nominations w/o any wins are The Color Purple and The Turning Point--both had 11 nominations and won nothing. (NT) -- No name, 18:36:25 01/19/21 Tue OP: since nobody is coming up with C, D, and E here are some hints: C starred an actress who won the Oscar for it and had won the Tony for the same role two yrs prior. The actress is Italian American but played an Irish girl. D starred a very prominent actress from a very prominent family and co-starred an actor who later tragically died in a murder suicide (not Phil Hartman) and E featured one of the cast of Downton Abbey. Any guesses? (NT) -- No name, 09:24:43 01/20/21 Wed E is Evil Under the Sun, with the fabulous Diana Riggs and Maggie Smith!!! (NT) -- No name, 10:08:23 01/20/21 Wed Yes, thank you. Evil Under The Sun is one of the most underrated movies ever. (NT) -- No name, 10:28:45 01/20/21 Wed I agree! It is one of my favorites. The cast was just great!!! (NT) -- No name, 11:54:14 01/20/21 Wed And the entire musical score was compiled of songs composed by Cole Porter. You can't beat that. (NT) -- No name, 11:58:18 01/20/21 Wed D is They Shoot Horses, Don�t They. (NT) -- No name, 10:43:41 01/20/21 Wed YES. D is They Shoot Horses, Don't They? starring Jane Fonda and Oscar winner Gig Young (who a few yrs later died in a murder suicide). You must be a real movie fan. (NT) -- Now, can u come up with the Oscar record that TSHDT holds? I'll be impressed., 10:55:19 01/20/21 Wed Final hint for C-the actress herself and the character she portrayed have the same first name. (NT) -- No name, 11:26:36 01/20/21 Wed OP: if nobody gets C by 5pm I'll give the answer (which I thought was easy) plus the Oscar record that TSHDT holds (which is not easy). (NT) -- No name, 13:01:49 01/20/21 Wed C is Anne Bancroft, (Anna Marie Italiano), who played the Irish, Annie Sullivan. She won the Tony for "The Miracle Worker" and the Oscar, later. (NT) -- It was a tough year for actors in competition. Some deserving talent were bypassed., 13:14:21 01/20/21 Wed Yes finally thank goodness C is The Miracle Worker one of the greatest movies ever made in my opinion. And you're right despite that highfalutin fancy last name Anne Bancroft's real name is Anna Maria Italiano born in the Bronx. (NT) -- congrats. Now one more little trivia question to solve, 13:22:19 01/20/21 Wed For movies, as well. Movies like "The Music Man", "The Miracle Worker", "David and Lisa" and others were not nominees. (NT) -- "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" was good entertainment., 13:22:25 01/20/21 Wed The other two were not but as I recall The Music Man was nominated for Best Picture. But you are right that was an extremely competitive year and in any other year Bette Davis would have won for Baby Jane. But Davis had to contend with that juggernaut which was the dual performances of Anne Bancroft and Patty Duke-you can't beat those two. (NT) -- I cried only two times in my life at the end of a movie -Miracle Worker and Schindler's List, 13:33:58 01/20/21 Wed You are so right. "The Music Man" was nominated; along with "Midnight Cowboy"; "Z"; "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"; "Anne of The Thousand Days, and "Hello Dolly". (NT) -- Many didn't like "Hello Dolly" getting a nomination over "TSHDT?", 13:52:35 01/20/21 Wed My bad: eliminate paragraph starting with "along with "Midnight Cowboy",....those are the nominees for Best Picture of 1969. (NT) -- Phew! Need a cuppa coffee. Going now., 13:56:25 01/20/21 Wed And1969 wasn't fair in a way either because Z was nominated in both the Best Picture category and the best foreign film category, which is the first time that ever happened.. (NT) -- No name, 13:59:30 01/20/21 Wed Agree with you about Miss Davis, but.....Captain Keller...Mrs. Keller...SHE KNOWS!!!!!! That was the perfect combination of acting, directing, cinematography, art/set decorations and musical scoring ever recorded on film. I can�t ever watch that without tears. It must have been exhausting for Anne and Patty to do that 7/8 performances per week on Broadway. (NT) -- No name, 21:23:23 01/20/21 Wed You know what is amazing---the Broadway play won Tonys for Bancroft, the director Arthur Penn (Sean's uncle) and Best Play. but Patty Duke wasn't even nominated! (NT) -- No name, 21:37:24 01/20/21 Wed TSHDT? got many nominations, but not one for Best Picture. (NT) -- Had to really think this one out. I remember the Oscar talk., 13:35:59 01/20/21 Wed Oh yes yes yes finally-They Shoot Horses, Don't They? holds the dubious record for having the most Oscar nominations (9) without a Best Picture nomination. How that happened I'll never figure out. It was nominated for best director, best actress, best supporting actress, best supporting actor (won), costumes, screenplay. art direction, musical score, and editing. But no Best Picture nomination. (NT) -- No name, 13:44:06 01/20/21 Wed OP: one more bit of Oscar trivia. Which movie holds the record for winning the most Oscars but NOT winning Best Picture---- name the movie and name how many Oscars it won. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:22 01/20/21 Wed West Side Story 10 out of 11 Nominations (NT) -- No name, 17:29:36 01/20/21 Wed No sorry, W Side Story won the Best Picture Oscar. (NT) -- No name, 18:01:38 01/20/21 Wed Star Wars? (NT) -- No name, 18:46:54 01/20/21 Wed Star Wars is a very good guess but no. (NT) -- No name, 18:59:58 01/20/21 Wed I think it might be Cabaret, a movie that I love! (NT) -- No name, 19:15:44 01/20/21 Wed Do you remember movie actress/columnist, Hedda Hopper? She was a major Oscar reporter. She wrote that experts surmised that "Cabaret" lost by "only a few votes" to "The Godfather". Bob Fosse, who directed "Cabaret" upset the favorite, Francis Ford Coppola, "The Godfather". Hedda was a huge fan of actor, James Dean, and felt he should have won the Best Actor Oscar at least once. (NT) -- To win the Oscar, one had to go through several hoops, so to speak., 20:18:38 01/20/21 Wed But the biggest player in the Oscar game, was columnist, Sidney Skolsky. He wrote for fan magazines; and for "The Hollywood Citizen-News, which was published in Hollywood, and was read religiously by Oscar voters. He used to publish a Readers' Column during the Oscar voting ;period. His column was credited for wins by the insiders. Example? Audrey Hepburn was highly favored to win a second Oscar, for "The Nun's Story". Then Skolsky beat the drum for Simone Signoret, in "Room at the Top" She won, and almost immediately told him, that it was he who made it possible. Skolsky also did it for John Wayne, when Jon Voight was winning the prestigious Critics Awards, for "Midnight Cowboy". (NT) -- Skolsky printed letter after letter that favored John Wayne., 20:29:41 01/20/21 Wed Wow, that's so interesting and informative. Ppl forget how powerful columnists were in those days. He probably would have won anyway but I've heard that Hedda was constantly promoting Santa Claus (Edmund Gwenn) for supporting actor in 47/48. (NT) -- No name, 21:49:34 01/20/21 Wed BINGO, Cabaret IS the answer, and I will tell u it won 8 Oscars but lost Best Picture to The Godfather. Congrats (NT) -- No name, 20:18:57 01/20/21 Wed Maybe I'll put one more question on tomorrow. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:14 01/20/21 Wed The Prince of Tides is another one that got royally screwed. Didn't win anything and I think had 8 or 9 nominations. And Streisand didn't get nominated for Best Actress and no Direction nomination. They thought the movie Directed itself. At the very least Nick Nolte should have won Best Actor but didn't because he's not Jeremy Irons. Prince of Tides was never going to win much because it was everything Dances with Wolves that year but Streisand should have been nominated for Best Actress and Direction. (NT) -- No name, 09:01:41 01/21/21 Thu Hollywood can be anti-Streisand. Along with the Best Director snub, Lauren Bacall's failure to win an Oscar for The Mirror Has Two Faces has also been viewed in part due to anti-Streisand sentiment. (NT) -- No name, 09:40:52 01/21/21 Thu I'm not exactly sure what you mean. It was Anthony Hopkins that beat out Nick Nolte not Jeremy Irons. Speaking of which it's interesting that Anthony Hopkins won the Best Actor Oscar even though he was in The Silence of the Lambs I think 26 minutes that's it. (NT) -- No name, 10:41:32 01/21/21 Thu Final Oscar trivia question: What TWO movies won the Best Picture award but NOTHING ELSE. (NT) -- No name, 10:44:05 01/21/21 Thu I think it was early but I think Mutiny on the Bounty is one? (NT) -- No name, 11:33:28 01/21/21 Thu YES, Mutiny on the Bounty is one of the two. 1935 , congrats. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:09 01/21/21 Thu The other is "Grand Hotel" (NT) -- no name, 13:48:16 01/21/21 Thu Jeremy won for Reversal of Fortune and I didn't think he was that great. If you watch Prince of Tides, Nick Nolte's performance was not scenery chewing, (not that Jeremy is), but Nick was extremely raw, vulnerable, and the one thing I look for is when you forget you're watching a movie. You believe the person is real. I never thought he would be able to do it but it's still one of the most moving performances I've ever seen. Jeremy is kind of blah to me. And Anthony Hopkins - similar. I think that was a very easy role to play. He didn't need any emotion or anything. He got it because he was Hopkins. (NT) -- No name, 11:30:26 01/21/21 Thu And by that - I meant to say, it was a year or 2 earlier that Jeremy won. Nick just didn't have the name. (NT) -- No name, 11:41:51 01/21/21 Thu The anti-Streisand thing also goes to how male-dominated the industry is; it did lead to one of the funniest Billy Crystal moments during the opening number, when he asked "Did this movie direct itself?" (NT) -- No name, 10:00:51 01/24/21 Sun Directors chose The Best Director nominations line-up. That statement was made by many another fan of certain movies. (NT) -- It was said of "The Blackrobe", a stunning frontier movie. for just another one, 21:39:47 01/24/21 Sun Streisand was criticized for just playing Streisand. And the insiders knew that she was being given privileges denied other actors. For instance, new actors were not given the opportunity to vote for the Oscars until they were sponsored and that took a couple of years. Also, columnist, James Bacon, revealed in one of his books that it was common for voters to give their ballots to "the help' for them to fill out their choices and mail them. He said it happened to him. Not being an actor, he mulled over the choices for Best Actress. He checked Streisand's name for the heck of it. Third part is, it was reported that Katharine Hepburn never voted for herself. Lastly, Sidney Skolsky, the columnist I mentioned, abvoe, campaigned for newcomer, Streisand, and published pro-Streisand letters every day during the Oscar-voting period. Also, Oscar veterans feel Streisand was Streisand, and not Fanny Brice, in "Funny Girl". (NT) -- And Mia Farrow was robbed of a nomination, for "Rosemary's Baby", 13:45:13 01/21/21 Thu The columnist James Bacon told a story on the Merv Griffin show a long time ago. He said that he was friends with the actor comedian Jack Okie and Okie had his Oscar ballot on the kitchen table and he said "I don't know who to vote for I only saw one picture this whole year Oliver." So James Bacon filled out his ballot and he voted for Barbra Streisand for Funny Girl. Since Streisand tied with Katherine Hepburn with best actress I guess you can surmise that if Bacon had not filled out the phony ballot then Katherine Hepburn would have won. (NT) -- No name, 14:42:41 01/21/21 Thu Yes, congrats, the trivia answers are Mutiny on the Bounty and Grand Hotel--the latter not even getting any other nominations. (NT) -- No name, 14:45:19 01/21/21 Thu Even if Streisand was playing Streisand in Funny Girl.....that was more than enough. Streisand is not of this world, she is in a league all her own. Unfortunately, she ain't ever gonna win Miss Congeniality, that's why she hasn't won a dump truck load ofawards. I've also never understood the public fascination with Katherine Hepburn. Of all the ladies of The Golden Age, she and her movies have always been my least favorite. She always seems to play the same stocatto voiced spinster with a messy hairdo and high fallutin' manners. Plus, personality wise, I hear she was also a little bit extra. (NT) -- No name, 14:55:12 01/21/21 Thu Streisand ALWAYS DICTATED how her movies were to be made. A large part of it was,MANY CLOSE-UPS OF HERSELF. Over and over! She was supposed to play FANNY BRICE! You may not have understood what Katharine Hepburn was all about, but the industry did and has. Actors knew and know what acting is all about. They are assigned a role; and the role is written for them to play. Let Streisand tackle Eleanor of Aquitaine; Mary Tyrone; Alice Adams, and many another. Then we'll talk. (NT) -- no name, 16:40:23 01/21/21 Thu Well, I guess you told me! Thank you, Spencer Tracy! (NT) -- I still think she was highly overrated and somewhat boring., 17:01:02 01/21/21 Thu If you read Scotty Bowers's book about old Hollywood and his relationship to the movie stars that he knew and worked for, he claims very convincingly that this whole Spencer Tracy /Katherine Hepburn romance was a big sham. They were both gay and they never really lived together- they lived in separate bungalows which were constructed on George Cukor's (they're gay director friend's) property. (NT) -- No name, 17:13:21 01/21/21 Thu Oh the LOONS! the LOOOOOONS! You old POOP! (NT) -- As I sit on Golden Pond. I get what people say about Katherine Hepburn. Some people have the name., 20:01:32 01/21/21 Thu Then, they'd say, You Young Poop! Show us what you've got, and why we should be impressed! (NT) -- Some feel Streisand is an insufferable bore!, 20:51:30 01/21/21 Thu I'll take Streisand's Brooklynese over Hepburn's rat-a-tat-tat anyday. She always sounded like a lawnmower that couldn't quite get going. Plus, Streisand can sing! (NT) -- No name, 20:56:22 01/21/21 Thu Hepburn had very good elocution. One never would think of a lawnmoWer unless one was inclined to listen that way. In fact, her style of speech was one of the reasons why she was elevated among her peers. (NT) -- I'd take Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan. Bette Midler and many others over her any day., 21:24:59 01/21/21 Thu Peggy Lee, Dinah Washington and many others. I used to visit my college peers and would note their record collection. White people had Streisand in their collection. Curiously, not one minority student had Streisand. (NT) -- I bought Streisand's first album. Others were too self-loving, so that was it!, 21:30:51 01/21/21 Thu That's very interesting, but I really do not have to delve into a singer's personality to enjoy their music. I know Streisand's a piece of work, I also loathe her politics, but her voice gives me goosebumps when she sings, so I love her music. I do not do drugs, but I love(d) Whitney Houston. I'm not Canadian, but I have every Celine Dion CD ever released. My requirements for singers are simple. Goosebumps, stage presence, and elocution. I used to love the sound of Anita Baker's voice, but she sounds as if she has a mouth full of marshmallows. As far as actresses, from the Golden Age, no one could touch Bette Davis. Joan Crawford was also good, as well as Vivian Leigh. Hepburn was ok, but she never really floated my boat. I always thought she played the same characters over and over. Even when she got down and dirty in The African Queen she was still a spinsterish schoolteacher type with her upper crust elocution. (NT) -- No name, 23:47:10 01/21/21 Thu I agree completely. And people think it's blasphemy when I say I don't really care for Meryl Streep. I thought her best role was Silkwood. People go crazy for Devil Wears Prada but I think there are any number of actresses that can play the total itch. I just don't think the role was that difficult. And every stage production of Mama Mia I've seen (and I've seen it 8 times) had a better actress playing that character. But you're not allowed to say you think Streep is just OK. To everyone else, she's the best actress that's ever lived. (NT) -- No name, 09:37:13 01/22/21 Fri* Oh my God, I thought I was the only person in the world with this opinion but I think Meryl Streep is the most overrated performer of all time. And people, especially film critics, worship her like she's some goddess who came down from the clouds. Although I will say I had a friend who went to the Yale School of Drama with Meryl who told me that she was an extremely nice girl. (NT) -- No name, 12:37:08 01/22/21 Fri You're not alone, (about Meryl Streep). She's very good at mimicry. The voters of the last few decades probably didn't vote carefully, but just checked her name. Personally, I realized it may have been boxoffice that was the main reason she was given first choice at those meaty parts. I'd love to have seen Cherry Jones, in "Doubt". What a dream part for us to see played by the one who originated it on Broadway. A big puzzle to me, is why they by passed Shirley MacLaine, in "Postcard From the Edge" for Meryl Streep. It sounded like popularity came into play. (NT) -- Many of my moviegoing friends feel MS is not their choice for the best., 12:59:40 01/22/21 Fri That's just it: Streisand's voice doesn't give some us, "goose bumps!". Re: Hepburn: How silly to judge her performances as all the same; esp. in regard to "The African Queen". Every actress then alive would have had to inject some aspect of their personality into the part, or it would have been dead. Hepburn completely changed for her role on several occasions including "Long Days Journey Into Night" and "Suddenly Last Summer". (NT) -- no name, 13:07:44 01/22/21 Fri Hepburn in Suddenly Last Summer: Old rich spinsterish white lady with a messy hairdo and weird way of speaking......Yeah. That was a stretch. (NT) -- No name, 22:37:26 01/22/21 Fri Absolutely more than that.; but you are blind to her artistry! So, you're not an actor; we understand. That movie would be nothing without her, and the same can be said of of all her movies; (NT) -- Continue to ear your heart out, will you?, 21:30:17 01/24/21 Sun Back in the early part of her career, Streisand always hired goodllooking male co-stars. Some critics called her movie casts, "Beauty and the Beast" The beast being Streisand. She once tried to hire Elvis for "A Star is Born". She told Elvis just how the movie would be made. The Colonel couldn't get Elvis out of the negotiations quick enough. (NT) -- Too many close-ups ruined the enjoyment for me., 21:36:08 01/24/21 Sun No, I am not an actor, but I don't have to be to know what I like. You, on the other hand are coming across as one of her old lesbian lovers in your rabid defense of her. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:37 01/24/21 Sun A lesbian, if she'd admit it, would be the best one to answer. When I was young, I went to Hollywood, and worked in a hospital near there. I met many who worked in the industry. One young actor told me that "there are only three straight actors in Hollywood!" WOW! Immediately John Wayne came to mind as one of the three. So I asked, and he said, William Holden, Frank Sinatra and Glenn Ford. As for lesbians I confess I'm ignorant, because by the time I found out, they were long gone out of my life. I love many actresses, more than I do actors.I heard about the lesbians, but couldn't dislike anyone because they were. (NT) -- They're humans after all., 22:59:34 01/24/21 Sun Neither do I, I love many lesbians. I only said that because you are so defensive of her, you sounded as if you might have had a past personal relationship with her. Look, you sound like a nice person, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one....You like Hepburn, I like Streisand. And yeah, I'm a little ticked that Hepburn can lay claim to half of Streisand's only acting Oscar. On the other hand, Streisand probably would not throw me a rope if I were drowning, lol. Interestingly enough, I once interviewed her sister (Roslyn Kind) who is also a singer. She was on a backwoods tour with other performers who were "maybe" C & D list. She even intimated to me during the interview that La Streisand is not all that warm and fuzzy, lol. (NT) -- No name, 00:10:06 01/25/21 Mon Now Streisand is "OLD", "RICH" and "WHITE"! (NT) -- Time waits for no one!, 21:47:17 01/24/21 Sun Yeah, she might be, but old Kate pushing up daisies and Streisand can still sing! (NT) -- Checkmate, 22:05:45 01/24/21 Sun And the world the way it is, will Streisand make to well in her '90s? Gay, white men were her mainstay as far as sales. Never heard any minorities list her as their favorite. Mine were many, but not her. Ella Fitzgerald had it all over her. (NT) -- Ella and Frank (Sinatra) didn't have to scream and yell to be heard., 23:13:03 01/24/21 Sun Old Barbra will get there one day. (NT) -- Time waits for no one!, 23:18:44 01/24/21 Sun Bette Davis was frequently "Over the top" as my good buddy tells me. I enjoyed her for her mugging. At the time of "All About Eve" many in the business felt she used Tallulah Bankhead to excess, for the part. Finally, some reporter asked Talllulah what she felt about this: Tallulah said that she loved Bette Davis, and would say it to her face; BOTH OF THEM! Davis was great in other parts, like "The Letter", but the part was owned by the actress who ;played it first. She was nominated, but lost to Mary Pickford. MP practically owned the movie industry in those days. (NT) -- no name, 13:21:31 01/22/21 Fri I have always thought that Bette's greatest performance was in "The Catered Affair" and yet very few people would probably agree with me. I thought she was stupendous in that role. It was also Debbie Reynolds' best performance in my opinion. (NT) -- No name, 13:55:02 01/22/21 Fri Yes, The Catered Affair was on of Bette's best, but it got no love partly because it didn't make very much money. Another she was quite good in was Storm Center, which tanked at the box office. Also to those who made comments about Streep. I am completely in disagreement about Streep being overrated. Actually , a movie starring both Streisand and Streep would be enough to make me piddle a little. One could sing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star and the other could read the phone book in a Australian accent and it would be good for 100 million, easy, at the box office, lol. (NT) -- No name, 22:30:46 01/22/21 Fri They were not unique in that regard. It was, and still is, common! (NT) -- It's out there; but you have to do the research!, 20:54:26 01/21/21 Thu Getting back to The Miracle Worker, that movie would never be made today with Bancroft and Duke in the parts (and not just because they're no longer with us) I'm talking about the PC crowd which would never tolerate it because neither of those actresses were handicapped. (NT) -- No name, 08:12:02 01/22/21 Fri The pendulum has swung too far to the left. It's insane! People are even debating whether Chaucer is appropriate; mind you, because it's "too white". I swear the world is topsy-turvy at times. To be denied a giant like Chaucer, for the sake of "political correctness"? (NT) -- What next?, 13:33:03 01/22/21 Fri Crazy times to be sure! (NT) -- No name, 00:40:06 01/26/21 Tue Name the movie: "I shoulda broke your thumb"! (NT) -- No name, 18:23:37 01/30/21 Sat I think we're gonna need a bigger boat. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:58 01/30/21 Sat Jaws . There's another thread on here with movie quotes let's see if we can get some of those. (NT) -- No name, 20:04:58 01/30/21 Sat I shoulda broke your thumb! is from Rocky. The first one. (NT) -- No name, 15:53:57 01/31/21 Sun

Subject: Questions about Statuette Trophy of Miss America

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Date Posted: 20:30:12 01/30/21 Sat

From 1921 to 1927 the statuette was the Golden Mermaid

1933 appears there was no trophy

1935 (Leaver) & 1936 (Coyle) the statuette was one arm in the air and one pointing back

1937 to 1951 (Hutchins) the statuette was a nude Venus with both arms in the air

1952 (Langly) to 1955 (Ritchie) the statuette was an angel with wings

1956 (McKnight) to 1971 (Schaefer) the statuette was a Miss America with 4 point crown, holding flat star type scepter, off shoulder gown, with no sash

1972 (Meeuwsen) to 1989 (Turner) (???) � the statuette was a Miss America with a Miss America sash, holding a 4-point crown scepter, long gloves, with a cape / robe

1990 - (Marjorie Vincents year) - ???

1991(Sapp) to 1999 (French) � the statuette very similar to previous one with 4 point crown, holding scepter with 4 point crown, one arm to side, but NO cape / robe

After that it appears that all awards were the glass plaque type trophies some with crowns etched on.

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Subject: Down the trail of memory
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:20:55 01/13/21 Wed I've been watching past MA pageants (because that's what they were!) and the beauty, grace, talent and dignity that used to be part and parcel of the program, so I asked my daughters to try it as well (thanks to Youtube and everyone who has made them available). They really took it seriously, and then they gave me a surprise; we all picked the SAME year, 1989, when Debbye Turner became MA 1990. My youngest made a comment about it that had us all howling with laughter--the moment when GC had to run off the stage holding her violin was both silly and sad, because she had gained weight during her year and her rear end wobbled as she ran. Anyway, the talent that year was amazing, and my other daughters said that out of the ten semi-finalist, there wasn't one who wouldn't have been great. So what do you all think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I saw Debbye's picture in the Miss America program book and I knew she would win. It was just a hunch. I was happy I was right. (NT) -- No name, 22:24:15 01/13/21 Wed First of all( personal opinion of course) but I think 1989 September was the most competitive Miss America pageant in terms of talent alone. At least that I have seen. Also I'm not from Missouri but I can tell you that prior to the contestants assembling in Atlantic City my state Ed told me flat out that the winner is going to be Missouri --she has it in the bag. (NT) -- No name, 10:21:50 01/14/21 Thu The whole televised program was a delight, especially "The Lady in Red" number. The introduction of the platforms was handled well, and I especially liked the bit showing the non-finalist talent award winners. I can believe that your state ED picked Missouri before the pageant, because Debbye Turner was clearly a spectacular contestant. And I think you're right--the level of talent that year was amazing. It was magical. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:46 01/14/21 Thu Yes, thanks and I'm not talking about just the top 10 talents. I'm talking about the overall talents from the also rans. (NT) -- No name, 12:13:53 01/14/21 Thu One would hope that the Miss America board would look to some of the great Miss America pageants of the past and even the many outstanding past state pageants that have been posted to get back on track with the way it should be. There is nothing wrong with change, or adding a different phase of competition, but the fact that they eliminated the entertainment aspect of the competition is one of their major mistakes. At the very least, they need an energy-charged opening production number and a classy closing with all of the contestants participating in their evening gowns. A top ten (only) should be announced with them competing in all phases of competiton. And we need to get the top 5 in a round table interview segment, that ultimately gives the audience and viewers the insight as to would be the best choice for Miss America. (NT) -- No name, 01:06:05 01/15/21 Fri At the Miss TN pageant the previous June, I saw Debbie Turner (Miss MO) in the audience, and she was introduced. I said to my companion, "She will be our new Miss America." She just had the aura! (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 14:14:02 01/14/21 Thu I was told over the summer of 1989 that Missouri will win. "They've been holding her back for years." (NT) -- No name, 14:51:51 01/14/21 Thu The fact she won Sweetheart the year prior, made her a constestant that everyone was going to be watching. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:57 01/15/21 Fri Top 10 talent in 1989 was very good. There were a couple that weren't so good. In my opinion, The Top 10 talents in 1995 and 1987 are my favorite, followed by 1982 (Maffett) and 1974 (Cothran), and 1996 and 1994.The logistics for Carlson's "One moment in Time" was tricky because she had to quick change for final walk. Perhaps a solo for Carlson during Evening Gown would have been a better option. (NT) -- No name, 17:22:35 01/14/21 Thu The talent for '74 (Cothran's year) was so good that the rumor is four of the original Top 10 were pulled and given NFT awards as to not overshadow Cothran on finals night. that four of the original (NT) -- No name, 20:16:02 01/14/21 Thu HaHa... Dear Lord... "Fabricated Rumors"!! :-) (NT) -- No name, 22:42:29 01/14/21 Thu You would have to have attended the preliminaries (which I did) for this to make sense. Plus, these were the days of B.Don Magness, so he carried a lot of clout. On the other hand, Cothran was a deserving winner, one of the 2-3 most beautiful ever crowned and probably the best swimsuit. Her talent was in the Top 10, but not the best. A couple of the Top 10 talents were middle of the pack that year....(IN, NM, SD.) (NT) -- No name, 23:50:38 01/14/21 Thu I don't believe that. I don't think that B. Don was as powerful and influential as B. Don wanted everyone to think he was. Texas had two winners in the early 70's but nothing since. I don't buy the behind the scenes conspiracy theories, especially back in the day when Al Marks was running the program. He was not that type of guy. (NT) -- No name, 18:22:05 01/15/21 Fri The year before Judy Hieke�s dad was pulled aside by a Miss WI official and was told the best she could do was 1st RU, because MAO at that time would not allow back to back winners because it nearly bankrupted the pageant in 1960 with the back to back wins of MS (NT) -- No name, 22:49:38 01/15/21 Fri I do not understand why back to back wins nearly bankrupted the pageant. NO ONE should be determining the outcome of a pagenat except the judges, and they should not be swayed in any way, shape, or form. If Wisconsin was the best choice that year -- and she was, then she should have won. (NT) -- No name, 14:08:14 01/17/21 Sun Because people assume it is fixed when that happens. I thought the same thing with the New York wins. 3 in a row? Really? (NT) -- No name, 18:02:29 01/18/21 Mon Well it might have perhaps more to do with the fact that Judy was born in Germany and Miss America officials in the early 1970s did not want a foreign-born woman to be Miss America than (NT) -- anything about alleged conflicts of back to back Wisconsin women winning the title?, 17:41:48 01/24/21 Sun There was also an article in Parade Magazine that year promoting the pageant. They even said that you could bet all the cheese in WS that the winner would not come from there. So, it must have been common knowledge back then that back to back wins were frowned upon. (NT) -- No name, 18:08:20 01/18/21 Mon The whole conspiracy was not about TX winning. TX (Cothran) was going to win that year anyway, regardless of B.Don because she was gorgeous. However, even though her talent was good to better than average, there were some stellar talents that year. The games began when they realized that showcasing some of these talents against TX on finals night might have some people scratching their heads. And yes, although most of the Top 10 talents presented were excellent, if you had attended the preliminaries you would have realized that there were superior that were given NFT awards. (NT) -- No name, 23:18:16 01/15/21 Fri So if that's what was done the year Cothran won, someone explain to me your conspiracy theories around the games played behind the scenes the year Rebecca King completed. Because she came out of nowhere! (NT) -- No name, 10:32:25 01/16/21 Sat Exactly what another poster above said......Judy Hieke would have probably won that year, however WS had won the year before. Also, MAO was looking to satisfy the growing Women's Movement, so who better to do that than a well educated midwestern farm girl, who was certainly pretty enough, fairly talented, but blew the windows out in interview? She was the perfect choice. (NT) -- No name, 13:24:33 01/16/21 Sat It's happened a lot of years for decades. Did you see Kira's year? Last year? (And I'm Virginia). They've picked the winners for years and will sabotage judges scores. It's happened for many many years. Actually they were just honest last year. Don't even hide that the final night judges are picking anything. Kira had talent that I've never seen again. Never saw Mallory on TV with tapping. I can go on and on. Then there are girls who made a mistake by using a couple of bad words on Snap Chat and someone sent a file to State. Girl had won Interview (I KNOW) SS, and Talent. And then didn't make top 5 because the State met with the judges and told them to keep her out of top 5. Happens all the time. (NT) -- No name, 15:54:02 01/16/21 Sat I love how when someone makes the top 10 that one of the armchair pageant experts didn't see coming, there's some sort of concocted conspiracy theory about what "the powers that be" did behind the scenes to manipulate the outcome. I was an officer on my State Board, and there would be all of these conspiracy theories floating around during pageant week of "they'll never crown back-to-back dancers" or "they'll never let HER be crowned", and I was in the judges orientation and top 10 meetings and we never gave any such directives to sway judges in that way. But that didn't stop the conspiracy theories from running rampant. (NT) -- No name, 12:28:56 01/17/21 Sun Maybe in your State, but not mine. We know it happens. How do you win Interview, SS, and Talent and not make top 5. There are only about 20 contestants. (NT) -- No name, 16:27:53 01/18/21 Mon all logic went out the window when they went to composite score (not interview) being assigned after prelims and then doing a final ballot for placement of the top 5. Once that Pandora's box was opened, all logic behind points from prelims and pageant outcome went out the window. (NT) -- No name, 21:58:19 01/18/21 Mon Supposedly, B Don was beyond furious that Judy Mallett, Miss Texas 1973, didn't win instead of Rebecca King. Mallett made Top 10, but did not place in Top 5. There have always been rumors that B Don was promised a win the next year (Cothran) to make up for Mallett's snub. Interestingly, Albert Marks made an announcement during the 1975 pageant after the Top 10 were announced, clarifying how the contestants are scored, and that it is not just a talent competition, or just based on personality or beauty, etc. He made this announcement due to the head scratching win of Rebecca King the year before. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:11 01/21/21 Thu Even Johnny Carson got involved in the Judy Mallett scandal. He mentioned it in his monologue. I think she even appeared on his show. (NT) -- No name, 21:01:11 01/21/21 Thu I think this whole thing sounds ridiculous. MAO kept some girls out of the top 10 because people would wonder why Texas won with such other great talents? That makes no sense since TX had good talent herself, and also had the best SS and gown and was the prettiest. (NT) -- No name, 10:34:58 01/16/21 Sat Cothran's talent didn't compare to several of the others already mentioned. (NT) -- No name, 10:36:21 01/17/21 Sun This is indeed the year four of the top ten were removed to ensure a Texas win & replaced with ranks eleven through fourteen. The displaced four were downgraded to nonfinalist talent. (Even though Delta Burke received one of seven nonfinalist talent awards she was not among those in the original top ten.) The four non-finalist talents originally in top ten were once posted here. (NT) -- I've forgotten exactly which four they were., 11:30:14 01/17/21 Sun The four were OH, Laurie Kapsta, NC, Susan Griffin, IA, Jean Bollhoeffer, WV, Mary Beth Derry. Griffin was later chosen for the USO troupe. (NT) -- No name, 17:51:32 01/18/21 Mon Excuse me, and know this HOW ? (NT) -- did a little pageant birdie tell uou?, 17:57:46 01/18/21 Mon They don't know. It was something from a "close source" that was overheard at a cocktail party. Therefore, it MUST be true. And because this person had the four mentioned non-finalist in their personal top 10 list, this could be the ONLY explanation as to why they didn't make it. That darned behind the scenes pageant politics. (NT) -- No name, 22:50:24 01/18/21 Mon I was actually told that by a State director (whose contestant was no where in the mix) and the story was circulating during the pageant finals. Apparently, the "famous list" that had always been released the afternoon of the pageant was always right, but this year when the Top 10 were announced there were four contestants (who just coincidentally had very strong talents) who had been replaced. As far (NT) -- No name, 00:56:32 01/20/21 Wed (Cont.) As far as my personal stake in the situation, I had none. I actually only had two of the four in my Top 10, but the other two were on my bubble list. I did have WA in my personal Top 10. In addition, I also saw B. Don Magness in a conversation with Albert Marks (MAO CEO) in front of Boardwalk Hall earlier that afternoon. I didn't really think that much of it as I (and most other people) had already assumed that TX was the winner. I never said that Cothran wasn't a deserving winner, however, based on this story that's been around for years, I do believe there were some shenanigans regarding the Top 10 placements. (NT) -- No name, 01:03:22 01/20/21 Wed I used to see those lists as well. And a few years there were fake ones floating around. One year I was sitting with our girl's parents and someone brought them a Top 10 list that had their daughter on it. When the top 10 was called, she was no where in the top 10 and it turned out that half the names on this supposed "official" top 10 list were bogus. (NT) -- No name, 16:08:49 01/21/21 Thu The USO troupe you can prove because they always performed at the following year's pageant. (NT) -- No name, 23:08:00 01/21/21 Thu Griffin (NC) one of the "alleged" four, was one of the members of that troupe. (NT) -- No name, 23:32:07 01/21/21 Thu This happens a lot -- No name, 16:50:07 01/18/21 Mon So if you believe that this "stacking" is common place, why did you spend some much time and effort following the program and encouraging young women to compete? (NT) -- No name, 22:51:54 01/18/21 Mon I've never said that I encouraged women to compete, you just assumed that. Much as you are assuming that there is no way the story could be true. However, I do follow pageants, because I look at them like a business. And with any business, sometimes things can get a little shady and political. That's why I find them interesting. Sometimes the right girl wins, sometimes there is a hidden agenda somewhere. I was once on a local committee for a couple of years and I used to see how the ED would ever so gently manipulate situations so that she could get the girl she wanted. So you can believe in fairies and unicorns all you like, but this is how things go down in the real world. (NT) -- No name, 01:11:27 01/20/21 Wed I agree. I quit about 4 years ago, and I never did recruiting. I just wrote the checks to my local. But then quit the committee. I have so much more money now and am more happy. I follow along to see how the program is doing and it's clear it's falling apart. People wear blinders and don't want to see what's in front of them until it happens to them. (NT) -- No name, 12:38:19 01/26/21 Tue Darlene Compton, Kathleen Beth Moore, and Barbara Guthmiller were phenomenal!!! They are three of the best ever, and Penny Tichenor was also excellent! (NT) -- No name, 16:28:43 01/15/21 Fri When Kathleen Moore resigned a few months later she told her local paper that Miss WA officials told her she finished 10th. Kansas was the only prelim winner not to make top 10. She got a NFT and along with delta was one of the youngest in the pageant. Two of the oldest contestants that year also got NFT awards. Miss Iowa was 25 almost 26 and Miss Ohio was 27 (though she claimed 26) (NT) -- No name, 23:43:10 01/17/21 Sun Swimsuit did Moore in. Fantastic talent. The only one of the remaining semifinalists that was originally in the Top 10 was TN. WA, SD, IN, & NM were rumored to be replacements (11-14) for OH, NC, IA, & WV. (NT) -- No name, 17:55:25 01/18/21 Mon In the back-to-back wins dept., remember when Miss Texas won Miss USA five years in a row? It got to the point that we watched just to see how many years in a row Texas would have. (NT) -- No name, 17:54:13 01/24/21 Sun What were the names of those guys? Didn't they move over to USA? Reading about some of these characters from days gone by sure is interesting. (NT) -- No name, 00:47:45 01/26/21 Tue GUYREX. They also helped Californians. One of the guys died a few years, ago. (NT) -- 3 of their 5 Miss Texas/Miss USA finished in the Top 5 at MU., 14:17:48 01/26/21 Tue So much dignity--laughing at the outgoing queen because she had the audacity to gain weight...and she wobbled...oh, the horror! And you wonder why the pageant canned swimsuit. (NT) -- No name, 11:01:55 01/26/21 Tue She wasn't in swimsuit, she was in an evening gown. I guess I'm a bit biased because I think she's destroyed a program we loved and admired. (NT) -- No name, 16:03:48 01/26/21 Tue Regarding this business back in 1973 of not crowning a back-to-back Wisconsin woman as Miss America---it might have perhaps more to do with the fact that Judy Hieke was born in Germany and Miss America officials in the early 1970s may not want a foreign-born woman to be Miss America, than anything about alleged conflicts of two consecutive Wisconsin women winning the title? (NT) -- Were there ever issues of foreign-born women becoming Miss America?, 17:58:07 01/30/21 Sat

Subject: Thank you to Ted and Shannon Boy Skokos
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:48:01 01/28/21 Thu The Miss Arkansas Scholarship Foundation would like to recognize and thank Shannon Boy Skokos (1992) and her husband, Ted, along with their Foundation for their decades-long support of our scholarships. They are our largest cash donor providing the bulk of the scholarship that Miss Arkansas receives each year for winning that title. We are forever grateful for their philanthropy, and philosophy of giving back, both of which make such a huge impact on young women in Arkansas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes THANK YOU...Were these the two that were involved with Regina and the TV debacle? (NT) -- No name, 10:27:04 01/28/21 Thu yep (NT) -- No name, 13:13:38 01/28/21 Thu I haven't heard that one. What happened? (NT) -- No name, 19:31:07 01/29/21 Fri A big thanks to Shannon for creating the Miss Virgin Islands title. Although the program is no longer today, it had a good run for a decade (2004-2014). I wish there was more interest from others in keeping this program running. Nonetheless, thanks to Ted and Shannon. (NT) -- Miss America Followers, 13:23:35 01/28/21 Thu I did not realize that Virgin Islands ran that long. So they never had a placement? (NT) -- No name, 23:37:22 01/28/21 Thu I don�t think so - neither did Puerto Rico. With USVI I think a couple of years they only had 4 or 5 contestants and 1 or 2 of them flew in for it because they didn�t live there and it was just a citizenship thing. (NT) -- No name, 00:26:22 01/29/21 Fri Maybe they could take over the Miss America Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 17:21:53 01/28/21 Thu Her & her husband already tried that (NT) -- No name, 20:31:24 01/28/21 Thu She (NT) -- No name, 05:16:39 01/29/21 Fri

Subject: Locals happening
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:55:18 01/09/21 Sat I�m seeing more and more states having locals here and there. Have stated gotten the approval to have local pageants this year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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New Hampshire had a Zoom local today. Two crowned (NT) -- No name, 20:27:35 01/09/21 Sat Tell us about them. (NT) -- No name, 20:34:08 01/09/21 Sat Don't know much about them. I watched from the Midwest. Emily Finnegan won Miss Exeter and Carson Viscerello won Miss Nutfield. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:00 01/09/21 Sat Congratulations (NT) -- No name, 21:10:49 01/09/21 Sat Hasn�t the �Miss� title been outlawed? (NT) -- No name, 21:18:40 01/12/21 Tue I thought NH had finished all its locals by last March (NT) -- No name, 21:01:10 01/18/21 Mon Dana Rosengard emceed and they had both state titleholders join them. For a Zoom pageant it went pretty smooth. A few hiccups but I've seen hiccups at countless locals in person. (NT) -- No name, 20:46:56 01/09/21 Sat Thanks to Dana and all the participants (NT) -- No name, 21:11:18 01/09/21 Sat Has he coached any of the contestants? (NT) -- No name, 11:57:24 01/11/21 Mon No (NT) -- No name, 19:15:31 01/11/21 Mon I thought that he was on the Miss America blacklist. (NT) -- No name, 19:22:42 01/11/21 Mon Dana is an NBC News Director. He�s an asset to MAO and has helped launch hundreds of tv careers. (NT) -- No name, 21:17:38 01/11/21 Mon Who's career did he help launch? (NT) -- No name, 18:58:58 01/12/21 Tue I just looked him up because I was so impressed. He's not a news director for NBC, what are you talking about? He's a managing editor (maybe now a new director?) at a tiny station in northern Maine, one of those stations that people go to fresh out of college or even still in college. Might be where Taylor Kinzler (former Miss CT) started (NT) -- No name, 19:02:00 01/12/21 Tue Kindler was Miss Mass and Mass outstanding teen (NT) -- No name, 20:58:21 01/12/21 Tue Kinzler (NT) -- No name, 21:16:17 01/12/21 Tue It looks like Virtual locals will be held. Doesn't make sense to stop the whole process just because you can't do an in-person event. Venues are expensive and this way young women still have the opportunity to compete. (NT) -- No name, 16:06:04 01/10/21 Sun I thought that the only locals this season were going to be the ones scheduled for 2020 that couldn't take place -- has this changed? (NT) -- No name, 17:48:23 01/12/21 Tue Missouri is holding one, crowning 2 miss titles (NT) -- No name, 17:47:48 01/13/21 Wed Indiana rumored to be having one more that crowns up to 3 Miss and 3 Teen depending on number of entries. Heard about it last year but nothing since before Thanksgiving. (NT) -- No name, 20:37:46 01/13/21 Wed If you publicly criticize MAO, you are barred from judging state & local pageants (NT) -- No name, 21:21:33 01/13/21 Wed I never publicly criticized MAO so I'm not sure what that has to do with Indiana possibly having another local? Sorta confused here. (NT) -- No name, 21:36:20 01/13/21 Wed They are talking about Rosengard. Only confusion is that even though he spoke out against MAO he can still claim affiliation with several states. (NT) -- No name, 10:51:17 01/14/21 Thu Which states? (NT) -- No name, 17:23:06 01/22/21 Fri A bit off subject but I'm an LD and I recently purchased a local crown and sash for my new titleholder and it cost me near $250. MAO needs to stop price gouging our locals. This is ridiculous. (NT) -- No name, 10:27:37 01/29/21 Fri

Subject: Is anyone watching the virtual state programs for Distinguished Young Women?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:16:19 01/23/21 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes. They are very well done. Excellent state participants. Generous scholarships. (NT) -- No name, 21:52:36 01/23/21 Sat How do you watch these? Is there a link ? Thank you (NT) -- No name, 22:21:09 01/23/21 Sat Usually through a paywall (buy a "ticket") (NT) -- No name, 22:16:36 01/24/21 Sun the majority of state programs appear to be free to watch either on facebook or zoom link - haven't seen one yet that you needed to pay to watch! (NT) -- No name, 22:26:24 01/28/21 Thu

Subject: NC loses two titleholders...Sampson County Grace Dirig has resigned and is in Utah working...Miss Charlotte Kayla Clark has resigned due to health issues.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:15:14 01/21/21 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Oh no! Is Kayla ok? (NT) -- No name, 11:04:20 01/21/21 Thu Did they both win those Fall Scholarships NC handed out? (NT) -- No name, 18:00:55 01/21/21 Thu I believe so (NT) -- No name, 08:11:08 01/23/21 Sat I believe Sampson County won 2 or 3 of those scholarships (NT) -- No name, 21:03:13 01/21/21 Thu Grace did step down but I haven�t heard about Kayla. I thought it was Miss Charlotte�s OT who stepped down... (NT) -- No name, 22:06:15 01/28/21 Thu

Subject: NC is letting local titleholders take over the instagram account for the day. What a neat way to showcase local ladies. Are any other states doing this? Would love to watch,
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:12:10 01/26/21 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Most states are doing this. I�ve seen MO, MN, SC, TX. (NT) -- No name, 19:04:20 01/26/21 Tue Michigan did last month. Pretty sure they're archived. (NT) -- No name, 15:08:36 01/28/21 Thu Who is running NC Volunteer? (NT) -- No name, 20:32:50 01/28/21 Thu

Subject: Miss America Camille Schrier � a Bucks native � teaches the beauty of science
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:44:06 01/28/21 Thu https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/opinion/2021/01/24/miss-america-camille-schrier-bucks-county-native-loves-science/6667012002/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Who would have won??
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:46:48 01/19/21 Tue I hope the pageant comes back with a top ten and showing all top ten talent. Evening gown needs to come back and physical fitness , however our candidate keeps in shape. But, I was wondering. If talent is now 50 percent. Who do you think would have won from 1970 to current? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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1970- Kathy Baumann, 1971- Karen Johnson, 1972- Laurel Schaefer, 1973- Terry Meeuwsen, 1974- Debbie Ward, 1975- Darlene Compton, 1976- Mary Ellen Richardson, 1977 Dorothy Benham, 1978- Susan Perkins, 1979- Theresa Cheatham, 1980- Cheryl Prewitt, 1981- Susan Powell, 1982- Elizabeth Ward, 1983- Debbie Maffett, 1984- Vanessa Williams, 1985- Kathy Manning, 1986- Honey Castro, 1987- Kellye Cash, 1988- Tammy Walker, 1989- Maya Walker, 1990- Virginia Cha, 1991- Marjorie Vincent, 1992- Marisol Montello, 1993- Pam McKelvy, 1994- Kim Aiken, 1995- Heather Whitestone, 1996- Emily Orton, 1997- Tara Holland, 1998- Michelle Warren, 1999-Kelly Bradshaw, 2000- Heather French, 2001- Faith Jenkins, 2002- Katie Harman, 2003- Casey Preslar, 2004- Marina Harrison, 2005- Kristin Elrod, 2006- Monica Pang, 2007- Lauren Nelson, 2008- Kirsten Haglund, 2009- Katie Stam, 2010- Caressa Cameron. (NT) -- No name, 22:56:45 01/19/21 Tue This is a great list! Realizing it is largely personal opinion, and I agree with almost all, there were a couple years here where a prelim and/or overall talent winner would have prevailed. Such as 1986 - as incredible as Honey Castro was, she didn't win prelim talent in her group, nor did she win overall talent. Different set of judges may have scored it differently, but with the judges as they were, she wouldn't have come out on top. (NT) -- No name, 11:44:21 01/20/21 Wed Kellye Cash - if any indication of personal appearances. She's improved over the years. But man that David Letterman interview was so awkward and terrible. I think they wanted that name. They sure didn't want a spokesperson that year, and yes, she did improve over the years and is a good emcee. But then...eesh. (NT) -- No name, 17:11:50 01/28/21 Thu 1992- Marisol Montalvo- hate spell check. 2011- Elyse Eady, 2012- Laura Kaeppeler, 2013- Ali Rogers, 2014- Nina Davaluri, 2015- Jasmine Murray, 2016- Betty Cantrell, 2017- Rachel Wyatt, 2018- Cara Mund, 2019- Nia Franklin, 2020- Victoria Hill. (NT) -- No name, 23:00:36 01/19/21 Tue I appreciate the effort you put into all of this, but I have to tell you I disagree with a lot of it. For example no way was Leanza going to lose to Pam M. (NT) -- No name, 23:05:07 01/19/21 Tue Thats ok, you don't have to agree. They are my opinions, and outcomes would have been different if talent were 50%. (NT) -- No name, 23:12:02 01/19/21 Tue Marisol Montalvo was one of the most amazing talents to ever compete; her voice was incomparable, and I've often wondered where she is now. And I completely agree with the choice of Nina Davaluri! (NT) -- No name, 20:25:43 01/26/21 Tue Marisol has had a very impressive career as an opera singer performing with the Opera National de Paris and in Carnegie Hall with the Philadelphia Orchestra to name a few. She has performed all over the world with some of the worlds greatest symphony orchestras. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:21 01/28/21 Thu I agree with all your choices!!! (NT) -- No name, 20:45:34 01/26/21 Tue I agree with Casey Preslar 2003. Her EG was so elegant and her talent was unique. (NT) -- No name, 00:29:42 01/20/21 Wed Favorites -- No name, 01:26:17 01/20/21 Wed Talent really isn't really 50% no matter what they say. The Composite Score wrecks all the percentage scoring from prelims. (NT) -- No name, 14:57:04 01/28/21 Thu

Subject: Is it just me, or does it seem like we have more important things than planning state pageants with all the restrictions? Or possibly doing them virtually? The logistics seems too complicated to bother.
Author: KML [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:31:40 01/27/21 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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If USA, NAAM, and International can all run their pageants, we can do our state competitions. We cannot ask these young women to wait any longer to compete. Sporting events are starting back up, churches and restaurants are opening up. We can do this for our girls. It will be more work, but all public venues have their covid preparedness plans in place. It is simply following those guidelines. Streaming will probably be very important this year. (NT) -- my 2 cents, 18:01:05 01/27/21 Wed Agree! (NT) -- No name, 12:39:06 01/28/21 Thu

Subject: Monday's Pageant Quotes
Author: Midwest Fan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:56:45 01/25/21 Mon These quotes each come from a different decade, beginning with the 1960s to our current decade. The contestants that made these statements all did well at Miss America. Have fun and good luck! A. "I tell myself that in a way I'm an expert in my field, being my field is me." B. "I think Donald Trump is an entertainer and he says what's on a lot of peoples' minds. I think the Republican Party should be absolutely terrified of all the attention he is taking away from incredible candidates like Chris Christie and Jeb Bush, who could absolutely do the job of President of the United States." C. "I honestly feel that I have something to give and that is a genuine love for life and a love for the people of this country that I would love to share with those people." D. "I think it's also really important that Miss America be a single woman, not dating or in a relationship, so that she can be fully dedicated to her job." E. "I recently heard someone say that it's not what you do that you'll regret, but what you don't do. That partially explains why I am here tonight and why I'll always taken advantage of every opportunity made available to me." F. "I didn't take it up because I was shy around people; I've always been a ham. But, I took it up because I enjoyed it, it was fun, and it was something unique." G. "When you go to college, you go to get an education, not just a degree. And it's the same thing with life. When you stop learning, you stop living." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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A. Michelle Warren, Miss North Carolina 1997. (NT) -- No name, 16:21:04 01/25/21 Mon G. Heather French, Miss America 2000 (NT) -- No name, 16:23:24 01/25/21 Mon F. Michelle Sexton, Miss New Jersey 1993 (NT) -- No name, 16:29:43 01/25/21 Mon D. Camille Schreier, Miss America 2020 (NT) -- No name, 16:31:08 01/25/21 Mon B. Meg McGuffin, Miss Alabama 2015 (NT) -- No name, 16:32:55 01/25/21 Mon C. Miss Oklahoma 1982 Nancy Chapman (NT) -- No name, 16:38:22 01/25/21 Mon E. Ohio's Miss America 1978 Susan Yvonne Perkins (NT) -- No name, 16:39:28 01/25/21 Mon Yes, A is Michelle Warrem who did a great job during that round table discussion with Nancy Glass. And B is Meg McGuffin who was asked back in 2016 about Donald Trump being the frontrunner for the Republican ticket during her final question. (NT) -- OP, 16:52:25 01/25/21 Mon E is Susan Perkins, who made that statement during the evening gown competition, and G is Heather French who nailed her final interview with Marie Osmond during that round table discussion (SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER DONE AWAY WITH). (NT) -- No name, 17:00:11 01/25/21 Mon F Vonda Van Dyke, Miss America 1965 (NT) -- No name, 22:35:13 01/25/21 Mon Correct! (NT) -- OP, 23:20:43 01/25/21 Mon If only they had listened to Meg McGuffin�s theory (NT) -- No name, 13:13:01 01/26/21 Tue Oh right, we might have missed out on the greatest economy in American history. Oh and C is Miss Florida 1983 Kimberly Boyce (NT) -- No name, 14:29:20 01/26/21 Tue C is Kimberly Boyce, Miss Florida 1983 (NT) -- No name, 15:52:26 01/26/21 Tue C is Barbara Webster, Miss MO and Meg was right. (NT) -- No name, 18:00:58 01/26/21 Tue I was wrong, it is Kimberley Boyce. (NT) -- No name, 19:04:46 01/26/21 Tue A: Michelle Warren, B:Meg Mc Guffin, C:Kimberly Boyce (loved her) D: No one has correctly guessed this E: Susan Perkins F: Vonda Van Dyke and G: Heather French (one of the best onstage interviews ever) (NT) -- OP, 22:52:34 01/26/21 Tue

Subject: Miss South Carolina Pageants
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:31:47 01/02/21 Sat I've recently been watching some of the old Miss SC pageants from Pageants Hay Day. Does anyone have any info to share regarding the preliminary winners from the '78 or the '85 pageants? Also, there is a performer in the '85 pageant, identified as Joyce Glenn, a former Miss Ft. Mill. She does the most incredible jazzy arrangement of Somewhere Over the Rainbow that I have ever heard. It's somewhere in the middle of Judy Garland's and Patti Labelle's. What was her record of placements in SC? I would have posted on the SC forum, but they now make you create an account and give them everything except your shoe size. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She is still recording. (NT) -- No name, 12:30:53 01/03/21 Sun Do you know how many times she competed for Miss SC? What were her titles and placements? Thank you for any info. (NT) -- No name, 21:49:20 01/03/21 Sun Love Miss South Carolina. (NT) -- No name, 16:35:56 01/09/21 Sat If I remember correctly, Joyce Glenn competed for Miss SC 2, maybe 3 years. She sang You Don't Bring Me Flowers one of those years. Her voice was great. (NT) -- No name, 16:54:14 01/10/21 Sun Thank you. Do you remember her placements/local titles? Thanks in advance. (NT) -- No name, 18:34:45 01/10/21 Sun I don't remember if she placed or not but she did make the Top 10 one year and did not her 2nd year. She came back as entertainment and sang Over the Rainbow. That was outstanding. year and if I (NT) -- No name, 19:20:08 01/10/21 Sun Love watching some of these older competitions. (NT) -- No name, 13:16:32 01/11/21 Mon You probably like watching them b/c they were fun, entertaining, and what pageantry is supposed to be all about. (NT) -- today it's more like Meet The Press, 18:30:39 01/11/21 Mon Miss SC 1978 Preliminary winners -- LHO, 08:47:41 01/12/21 Tue Thank you for the info. I hope you placed the year you competed, lol. You should have made Top 10 based on your reporting skills, alone. According to your info, the preliminary winners were pretty much who I figured. SC has some stellar contestants. Thanks again! (NT) -- No name, 23:04:27 01/12/21 Tue Here's a head's up for ya -- Miss South Carolina '76 has just been downloaded onto YouTube. (NT) -- Happy viewing!, 21:17:14 01/12/21 Tue Thank you for the heads up! (NT) -- No name, 23:05:19 01/12/21 Tue Just watched Miss SC 1976. All of the Top 10 talents were good. (NT) -- No name, 23:09:45 01/12/21 Tue Talents have changed so much over the years everywhere. (NT) -- No name, 12:07:09 01/27/21 Wed

Subject: Just thoughts
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:39:19 01/24/21 Sun I keep going back to past pageants (boy, do I love youtube!), and then it hit me: one thing that is becoming more evident is that GC loves to be the center of attention, and she also seems to have a thing about not allowing anyone else to outshine her looks. It's like she feels she can stay MA (as in continuing while refusing to let the "candidates" have the class and glamour evident up to the time she took the helm). It's almost as though the powers-that-be think beauty is a handicap, glamour is a thing of the past, and MAO is causing a huge problem for the program because many of those who would compete feel like they can't because they are beautiful, which GC and RH have made clear is actually a handicap (remember how emphatic GC was when she took over about how "looks aren't a priority"). It's almost hypocritical, because when she was pursuing the title, she didn't wear less makeup, didn't wear unflattering clothes, didn't try to downplay her talent...and the list goes on and on. Other programs like MU, MW, MUSA and so on still have the beauty and glamour, and the women who compete in them aren't any less intelligent, diligent, or talented simply because they happen to be beautiful. Another thing I noticed: high class sponsors like Waterford Crystal, Fruit of the Loom, and various car companies disappeared almost overnight. Why didn't anyone try to keep them on board, and why didn't MAO go for sponsorship from places like Yahoo, Microsoft, Christian Siriano (or any other good designer with their own brand), or any other of these types of sponsors? It just doesn't make sense. It is nothing short of tragic that something so fine, so integral and intrinsically American is being lost because the current leadership is incapable of doing the job that others did so well throughout the years. Our past MAs were a bright spot during some interesting times, and they did it well. A few examples of growth: a winner, who when asked what she would do if her high heels broke during swimsuit responded that she'd kick them off because she thought swimsuits should be done in bare feet to begin with, or Carolyn Sapp's response to a question about the swimsuit competition, that in Hawaii, people went to the store in bikinis. There was the gallant way everyone responded after 9/11, and the thoughtful approach to the question of whether the pageant should be held at all. Of course there are a million other stories and examples of how things were handled even as recently as ten years ago, but my daughter said she thought that whoever was in charge was trying to kill MA outright. So, I have a request--can any of you share stories of pageants past that enhanced the event or ones that made people think? (another favourite of mine was Kaye Lani Rafko's story about how she competed in the same blue gown until someone gave her a different dress) In these difficult times, we need Miss America to be the light that she always was, the beacon of hope that shined regardless of controversy. Whatever packaging used, the real inner beauty always showed, and that's what the crown represented. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We need Miss America (NT) -- No name, 20:59:02 01/26/21 Tue

Subject: Pageant Quotations
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:41:07 01/17/21 Sun I am not the regular poster of pageant quotations, but always enjoy trying to figure them out and thought I'd throw some out. Good luck! A) "My entire life has been surrounded by music, and even though I plan to be a speech patholigist, I intend to make music an integral part of my life." B) "Being from a blended family, it was a little bit different. I always knew I was different from everyone else. So, I had to deal with some of the criticisms from other people and the name calling. But I had good role models who taught me that it was okay to be different." C) "And on behalf of 50 girls, I want to thank you for giving it to us this week. D) When asked what she would do if her heel broke off as she was walking down the runway in swimsuit she responded, "Well, I think it's much more natural to walk barefoot in a swimsuit, so I'd kick the other one off and walk that way!" E) "I believe that success is more important than winning. I feel that when a person achieves their full potential they are successful, and that is definitely more mportant than actually winning." F) "Humility is the key to success in life. And humility, though very, very obvious to others, is invisible to those that posess it." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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F. Donna Axum...best answer to a question EVER! (NT) -- No name, 22:25:53 01/17/21 Sun C is the easy one. That was Terry Meuwssen in a follow-up comment to her loaves and fishes reference. (NT) -- No name, 23:42:51 01/17/21 Sun C is easily recognizable as the concluding sentence in Terry Meuwssen" speech shortly after she was crowned. It follows her "loaves and fishes" reference. (NT) -- Second attempt to post this reply, 00:56:21 01/18/21 Mon Yes, C is Terry Meeuswen who gave an amazing answer to the question that Bert asked her after her crowning, "What does it mean to you , Terry Anne, to be Miss America"? And F is Donna Axum who defined humility when she was announced as one of the top five finalists. Not only was she the epitome of elegance and good taste and the perfect choice for Miss America, she did give a very thoughtful response to her definition of humility. Regarding the other four quotations that have not been guessed, one is a Miss America, another is a 1st runner-up, one is a swimsuit preliminary winner, and one is a talent preliminary winner. (NT) -- OP, 05:28:10 01/18/21 Mon E. Oh my god, I know this! It will come to me. The thing that stood out is that the contestant looked and acted like an "over'dog, a surefire winner since the day she was born. Someone whom success was always there for her. I'm thinking sash state, either Texas or AL or MS. I'm picturing Carla Haag saying this. 99% sure. I can't believe she didn't even place that year. She had Miss America written all over her. Sorry if I'm wrong, don't have time to look it up. (NT) -- Now that I'm stuck on Haag, I'll never come up with another guess., 05:34:57 01/18/21 Mon D Nancy Fleming (NT) -- No name, 07:18:12 01/18/21 Mon Yes!, E is the goddess Carla Haag, who looked like she was born to be Miss America. And I agree with you, she should have placed in the top 5. Let's see . . . who did we get that year instead?? And D is Nancy Fleming. It was the first of two questions that she was asked when she advanced to the top 5. Sam should have known back in 2017 that it wasn't the "first time in pageant history" that the contestants would be asked two final questions and had statement corrected in the script. Two more to go! (NT) -- No name, 10:09:06 01/18/21 Mon talk about programmed, she was programmed on steroids. (NT) -- No name, 18:39:26 01/24/21 Sun Is A Paige Phillips, Miss Alabama 1980? (NT) -- No name, 00:26:19 01/19/21 Tue No, A is a bit earlier than Paige. What I remember from Paige's opening statement is that she said, "Voices and music seem to intrigue me." Good guess, though. (NT) -- OP, 01:06:11 01/19/21 Tue I'll take a stab at A---Miss Oklahoma 1973. Andrea Hanson. (NT) -- No name, 09:32:37 01/19/21 Tue A is in the 70s, but is not Andrea Hanson. (NT) -- No name, 14:36:24 01/19/21 Tue No one has guessed A or B yet. A couple more clues: A is a contestant from the 70s, somewhat of a power singer like Terry Meeuswen was, and actually she kind of resembles Terry. B is a 1st runner-up during the 2000 years. (NT) -- OP, 23:15:24 01/21/21 Thu A is Miss Tennessee, Deborah Humphries Kincaid. She won a talent prelim, placed in the Top 10. (NT) -- No name, 01:13:06 01/22/21 Fri Correct! (NT) -- OP, 02:32:01 01/22/21 Fri Is B Alyse Eady? (NT) -- No name, 18:28:20 01/22/21 Fri Excellent guess, but this 1st runner-up was before Alyse Eady. (NT) -- No name, 20:20:35 01/22/21 Fri Is B Monica Pang? (NT) -- No name, 17:56:14 01/23/21 Sat Bingo!.When the top 10 were announced that year, a brief clip was played where each contestant said something about themselves, and this was Monica's statement. (NT) -- OP, 23:49:12 01/23/21 Sat LOVED Monica Pang and loved her EG! (NT) -- No name, 12:51:58 01/26/21 Tue

Subject: STEM Toys from The Boeing Store
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Subject: If someone is on the state board as a social media director and the company they work with only sponsors a local franchise (dresses, share only that girl's photo on company website/social media) isn't that considered a conflict of interest?
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Yes. (NT) -- No name, 17:21:56 01/25/21 Mon

Subject: Congratulations to our new Miss Illinois� Outstanding Teen 2020, Victoria Shore! Victoria will be crowned Miss Illinois� Outstanding Teen on Wednesday, January 20th at the Marion Cultural Center at a private, socially distanced event. She will serve until the new competition is held later this year.
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Why is this being done? Why crown a 2020 winner? (NT) -- No name, 11:56:42 01/11/21 Mon Could she be taking over for the 2020 winner who is still reigning due to pandemic? (NT) -- No name, 12:18:18 01/11/21 Mon So someone can reign while in Covid lockdown for less than 5 months? (NT) -- No name, 01:40:32 01/24/21 Sun Last years class did not compete nationaly (NT) -- P, 12:09:35 01/11/21 Mon When did she win the state pageant or was she a runner-up to assume the 2019 state title as there was (NT) -- not state pageant held in 2020 to call her the 2020 winner. Its 2019., 20:15:28 01/11/21 Mon You cannot hold a title 2 times (NT) -- H, 00:39:33 01/12/21 Tue She was 1st runner up in 2019. Taking over for winner who resigned as she had served more than her year. (NT) -- No name, 00:45:49 01/12/21 Tue I'm kind of confused by all of the talk about who will be crowned as a replacement when people resign. What are they going to do? You pretty much can't make appearances so what does it all mean? I really don't care about twitter and instagram posts and snapchats and tic toks. Why bother crowning a replacement? Just for the procedure of it? Even at the Miss Level are they going to get paid appearances and scholarships for taking over a title? I'm sorry I just don't get it. I feel like it's their Mom gets to say their daughter was Miss whatever and so does the girl. Is her platform virtual psychology and healing awareness and therapy? (NT) -- No name, 14:15:34 01/12/21 Tue Isn't the class going to compete at a national pageant at some point? (NT) -- No name, 10:01:07 01/24/21 Sun Actually, girls CAN and ARE making appearances if they try hard enough. There are still volunteer opportunities, There are virtual opportunities. Our city had a parked parade. Instead of the parade moving we stayed parked in a park and the city drove thru. The line of cars did not end for 3 hours. (NT) -- No name, 11:32:37 01/24/21 Sun

Subject: Kristen wins Miss PA, then what happens at Miss A?
Author: d... [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:57:50 01/17/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Really? Anyone? Anyone? (NT) -- d..., 03:18:37 01/18/21 Mon Who is Kristen? (NT) -- No name, 04:58:52 01/18/21 Mon Actress a lot of people think should have won Miss PA. (NT) -- d..., 11:43:41 01/18/21 Mon Don't even know what is the question from the way this is posted and who is Kristen? (NT) -- Bizarre and odd that it is followed-up with a puzzled "Really, anyone"? lol, 18:33:32 01/19/21 Tue Chenowith. Who knows D? I think she would have done quite well but she has done that anyway. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:37 01/19/21 Tue She �Kristen� has always said that interview was her downfall. (NT) -- No name, 16:26:44 01/20/21 Wed I wonder why....she's always great on talk shows. However, I cannot see her being programmed and regurgitating programmed info as so many did in that era. Maybe that was it. (NT) -- No name, 13:28:30 01/23/21 Sat Kristen almost won in OKLAHOMA first ! (NT) -- No name, 17:32:58 01/23/21 Sat I love Kristen Chenowyth, but "almost" won in Oklahoma? I thought her highest placement was 3rd Runner-up or am I wrong? I think the 1st and 2nd Runners-up "almost won"! :-) (NT) -- No name, 23:13:04 01/23/21 Sat she was 2nd RU in OK (NT) -- No name, 23:26:42 01/23/21 Sat Kristin only competed four times, Miss Oklahoma City University and Miss Oklahoma (2nd runner up) and Miss State Capitol and Miss Pennsylvania (2nd runner up). Interview was not a problem. That's a pretty phenomenal track record in the very competitive early 90's. (NT) -- No name, 09:15:17 01/24/21 Sun In the 90s girls never won on their first try in OK, some should have (NT) -- No name, 11:30:02 01/24/21 Sun

Subject: The Tuesday and Wednesday night Miss America talent prelims (Carolyn Sapp)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:15:05 01/19/21 Tue are now up on YouTube. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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It's hard to believe someone with such a poor singing voice could win a state like Alabama. (NT) -- No name, 22:30:26 01/19/21 Tue All three nights are now up. (NT) -- No name, 23:02:52 01/19/21 Tue Thought Georgie performed trivet during ppreliminaries and thought she was on the same night as the carton twirler. (NT) -- d..., 00:37:06 01/20/21 Wed Huh? (NT) -- No name, 00:40:51 01/20/21 Wed Georgia and baton. (NT) -- d..., 00:39:56 01/20/21 Wed Thought Georgia performed twice on preliminary night and was on the same night as baton twirler. (NT) -- d..., 12:58:49 01/20/21 Wed I don't understand what you are saying. How could anybody perform twice in a preliminary night? (NT) -- No name, 13:03:25 01/20/21 Wed Kim claimed her mic was not working correctly. THe judges requested to hear it again. Urban legend has it that one judge gave her a "0", and that was not okay. A '1' was the lowest that could be given. (NT) -- Either way, she was returned at the end, and re-performed., 13:09:24 01/20/21 Wed No I think you're wrong on that. What happened was she was very upset during the morning Talent rehearsal (I was there) about the microphone but unless I'm very wrong I don't believe she was asked to perform twice during the actual show at night. I don't remember that at all. (NT) -- No name, 13:25:54 01/20/21 Wed I thought she performed on the Sam night of Debra Fries but the tape seems to show it differently. (NT) -- d..., 14:29:18 01/20/21 Wed Same night. (NT) -- d..., 14:57:07 01/20/21 Wed I miss these days! Back when it was fun and enjoyable to watch now it�s all about �Ted talks�, filling out applications resumes and your brand (NT) -- No name, 13:41:28 01/20/21 Wed Miss Iowa Lisa Samodi won talent in her group and for those of you who like trivia I can tell you that she did not for some reason wear that big bow at the back of her dress during Talent rehearsal in the morning and she also had her glasses on. (NT) -- No name, 13:48:48 01/20/21 Wed Something funky happened with microphones one night. Both Kim from Georgia & Cheryl Majercik from Illinois were given the option to re-perform the next night of preliminaries. Cheryl declined the offer. Kim Hardee did re-perform the second night. Cheryl Majercik asked Bill Caligari about doing a sound check on Saturday morning with a lavalier microphone. He told her it had been taken care of. That's when Cheryl figured out she wasn't in top ten. (NT) -- Even with faulty sound on her preliminary night, Cheryl stlll received a non-finalist talent award., 14:32:24 01/20/21 Wed I watched the Tuesday night Talent tape and it's interesting that Miss Connecticut sounded great on the tape but I distinctly remember sitting there in the audience and barely being able to hear her and I didn't have a great seat but it wasn't that bad. So I don't know maybe something was screwed up with her microphone too. (NT) -- No name, 16:38:40 01/20/21 Wed Did Miss Georgia perform in the same group as Debra Fries? (NT) -- d..., 14:26:20 01/21/21 Thu I believe Miss Georgia 1991 performed her talent Wednesday (when the microphone malfunctioned). She was given the opportunity to re-perform (which she took advantage of) Thursday -- the night Debra Fries won. (NT) -- No name, 16:10:50 01/21/21 Thu I watched the tape on youtube, and Cheryl came through loud and clear, even without her mic working. She had/has a phenomenal voice and she was studying at the Curtis Institute. But I also met Cheryl, and she was aloof and not very personable. And no matter how strong your talent was, cold and aloof doesn't win Miss America, and that was true going back to the pre-platform days. (NT) -- No name, 22:17:58 01/23/21 Sat NY was great and MT was incredible on night one. Night two, IA all the way. IL was not a difficult piece. MD was crazy good! I think Thur was best night of talent. I still shake my head at LA. She wasn't attractive, she was campy talent and not remotely feminine in swimsuit. (NT) -- No name, 01:07:36 01/22/21 Fri A parent reports Louisiana's Jerry Lee Lewis piano number totally woke up the crowd -- a refreshing break from all the classical that year. (NT) -- Might explain LA's success., 09:27:07 01/22/21 Fri

Subject: Does anyone have the info for the Miss Oklahoma site? I cant seem to find it
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Subject: Heartlander crowned Miss Illinois� Outstanding Teen
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Subject: Annika Wooton is a speed painting beauty queen who rules her world
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Subject: Miss Virginia Volunteer 2021 pageant week - August 12-15 in Lynchburg, Virginia
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Subject: Does anyone else notice certain states only highlight certain title holders on their Instagram?
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This is so true! TX (NT) -- No name, 22:18:31 01/21/21 Thu

Subject: Miss Mississippi Volunteer Team is excited to introduce our Executive Director, Steve Stockton.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:30:24 01/20/21 Wed For over 40 years Steve Stockton has been involved with scholarship pageants and foundations. The desire to provide young women and men of Mississippi opportunities for personal achievement motivates him daily. As a teenager, he became involved with his local scholarship pageant, and he helped with fundraising efforts for a regional newborn care center for his community hospital. This led to many years of volunteering and fundraising for important causes and life-changing opportunities for young people. For example, he and his wife Darlene volunteered to direct musical productions for their school district. They have served on multiple scholarship foundation boards and on the board of Mississippi Rising, which raised money for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Steve also serves as President of The Windows of Amory and on numerous community organizations and committees. Steve and Darlene were recognized for their accomplishments when they were named Citizens of the Year in their hometown of Amory. Steve�s goal is for every contestant to feel welcome at Miss Mississippi Volunteer and for them to explore all the potential they possess in a fun and nurturing environment. At the end of the week, scholarships will be awarded so that these young women will have more opportunities to further their life goals. He looks forward to bringing his experience and passion for making a difference in the lives of Mississippians to Tupelo. Join Steve and the rest of the Miss Mississippi Volunteer America board for a fun-filled week of competition! #MissMississippiVolunteer #MissVolunteerAmerica #Glamour #Sponsor #Volunteer #Pageant #Interview #Scholarships #MississippiPageants #VolunteerSpirit #Serve [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We are excited to introduce our Board Attorney, Jessica Terrill Pulliam! Jessica is a Fulton, Mississippi, native who is no stranger to pageantry. She competed in the Miss Mississippi Organization for multiple years and ended her competition years with two top ten and two top five finishes. Jessica is now an attorney practicing criminal law where she uses the public speaking skills she gained during her days competing daily. In her spare time, you can find Jessica curled up with a good book, running, or cheering on her MSU bulldogs. (NT) -- No name, 03:31:47 01/20/21 Wed Such GREAT NEWS! Steve will be a wonderful director! (NT) -- No name, 14:23:14 01/20/21 Wed I remember Jessica. Always like her, and thought she might be Miss MS at one point. Very solid contestant. (NT) -- No name, 17:08:32 01/20/21 Wed Do they know the dates yet? (NT) -- No name, 17:11:20 01/20/21 Wed Date to be announced, (NT) -- No name, 14:44:50 01/21/21 Thu

Subject: Guess now that CMN out. Titleholders are raising money for The Miss America Foundation?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:45:16 01/17/21 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is it confirmed that Miss America and CMNH have ended their relationship? I still see CMNH on the Miss America website. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:56 01/18/21 Mon But you don't see Miss America on the CMNH website. (NT) -- No name, 11:53:27 01/18/21 Mon Yes except the spotfund fundraisers do not go to MAF but Mao. It's fraudulent the way Mao is presenting that. Those donations are not tax deductible. (NT) -- No name, 13:03:55 01/18/21 Mon Wait! The money going is not tax deductible? It does say it is: 0% fee. Donations are tax-deductible. (NT) -- No name, 15:12:03 01/18/21 Mon Does it say �ALL� donations are taxable or something more like �Donation are taxable to the fullest extent of the law�? Where does it say the donations go? If they say that the donations go to the Miss America FOUNDATION (�MAF�), then they would be 100% deductible since the MAF is a 501(c)(3) Organization. If they say that the donations go to the Miss America Organization (�MAO�), then they would NOT be deductible since the MAO is a 501(c)(4) Organization. If they do not say which organization, I would be skeptical and assume the money is going to the MAO. (NT) -- No name, 16:31:09 01/18/21 Mon Just ask MAF and they will tell you that these donations are not going to them. (NT) -- No name, 19:48:53 01/18/21 Mon The spotfund website is confusing. If you search for "Miss America" you get a bunch of options -- Forever Miss America, Miss America Scholarships, Miss America Foundation (all tax-deductible), and Miss America Organization (not tax-deductible). (NT) -- No name, 15:19:42 01/19/21 Tue But we were all labeled as liars when we stated the CMN partnership was coming to an end in December 2019... (NT) -- No name, 11:48:16 01/21/21 Thu

Subject: Question having a family debate
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:40:09 01/16/21 Sat Does Miss America have to be born female or female still. What if someone has changed to non-binary? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Not sure but the title is MISS America. By definition, Miss is a woman. If you don�t want to go as Miss the this competition isn�t one that a person who does identify as Miss should do. Miss America is voluntary, no one is forced to compete. (NT) -- I�m sure a person could compete, but the person would have to accept that their title was Miss ..., 08:06:39 01/17/21 Sun Page 5. Section 2.6.1 states "I am female." I think before 2013 it stated you had to be born female in some other type of working. (NT) -- No name, 09:01:45 01/17/21 Sun However you still have to produce documents showing that you qualify, so those would need to state female as well. This exact scenario did happen at Miss Universe. (NT) -- No name, 01:09:57 01/18/21 Mon After legal transition that is completely doable. (NT) -- No name, 17:37:36 01/18/21 Mon The contract no longer says �born female,� so a candidate simply must identify as a female. I would think that wouldn�t include non-binary but I�m not really sure. (NT) -- No name, 11:16:39 01/17/21 Sun I suspect under the current despicable leadership the only humans who are definately not eligible to compete are men who identify as male. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:24 01/19/21 Tue In 2013 the wording in the local contestant contract changed from "born female" to "is female." (NT) -- No name, 11:28:14 01/17/21 Sun For several years, the contract has just said "I am female". (NT) -- No name, 11:37:43 01/17/21 Sun Interesting. There is a contestant in CT whose pronouns are they/them. As another posted pointed out above, it's MISS America, and of course participation is voluntary. Why would a person who identifies as "they" pursue an organization that will label them as "Miss?" Surely they don't expect that the entire organization would remove "Miss" from the title, should they win? (NT) -- No name, 15:15:27 01/18/21 Mon

Subject: MISS KENTUCKY VOLUNTEER PAGEANT has been scheduled for July 8-10, 2021 and will be held at the Southern Kentucky Performing Arts Center (SkyPAC) in Bowling Green, KY.
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Subject: We are THRILLED to announce our Official Personal Trainer and Nutrition Coach for the Miss California Volunteer Organization, Scott Keppel!

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We are THRILLED to announce our Official Personal Trainer and Nutrition Coach for the Miss California Volunteer Organization, Scott Keppel! Scott has been training successful pageant winners for years and we cannot be more grateful to have him join our Team!
The winners of Miss California Volunteer and Miss California Teen Volunteer will receive Personal Training and Nutrition coaching throughout their reign!
BUT WAIT THERES MORE!
All contestants who sign up to compete for The State Pageant will receive a Free Consultation/Assessment and will receive 50% off their first month of Coaching!
Make sure to follow @scott.keppel and @stsnation for your Personal Training and Fitness Coaching and stay tuned for some Tips and Tricks from the master himself!
THANK YOU SCOTT!!
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Subject: Watched the 1996 Miss Texas and what a delight! Four of the top five future Miss Texas' and Angie Busby almost hopped from top ten into the top five! It was so cute! How many years did Yancy compete?
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Yancy competed twice. She was 4th runner-up her first time out in '96, then she sat out two years and came back in '99. Great woman and genuinely nice person. (NT) -- No name, 19:56:17 01/17/21 Sun what year are you referring to? Angela Busby, former Miss KS? Whaaaat? (NT) -- Please be specific!, 17:22:45 01/19/21 Tue I referenced Miss TX 1996. (NT) -- No name, 20:19:49 01/19/21 Tue Just to ensure everyone understands the differences: Angie Busbee was a flautist and competed as Miss Arlington 1996 at the 1996 Miss Texas Pageant; Angelea Busby was a twirler who was Miss Teen Nacogdoches (Texas) 1996 and was Miss Kansas 2003 who competed in the Miss America Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 22:37:25 01/19/21 Tue

Subject: Much thanks to the poster/fan who put up the 2006 /7 preliminaries for Miss America on YouTube. (Lauren Nelson's yr)
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:11:51 01/14/21 Thu I already have those DVDs and I also have the interview DVD. And I have to tell you in all honesty that, in my opinion, that is the most poorly judged Miss America pageant that I have seen-and I've seen plenty. I have no problem with the winner. I do have plenty of problems with those who got in and those who got screwed out of top 10 placements. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Who should have made it in instead? (NT) -- No name, 23:25:10 01/14/21 Thu I've always thought that Miss Virginia, Adrianna Sgarlata should have made it that year. She had an amazing talent (beautiful opera voice), was very pretty with a stellar wardrobe...seemed to be consistent in across the board. (NT) -- No name, 11:04:03 01/15/21 Fri From the OP: totally agree about VA. Amazing voice. Should have won Talent and made the cut. Two New England girls (CT and NH) got screwed out of SS trophies. SC definitely should have won Talent over Hawaii. I would have taken Hawaii. PA. WA, UT and yes AL out of the top 10. (NT) -- No name, 12:29:22 01/15/21 Fri I heard from a very good source she made a remark in interview that probably eliminated her. Likely didn't connect and then the remark. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:18 01/18/21 Mon Same poster as above - the big sign was that CA won talent from the first spot in the group. They were both great opera vocalists but the judges could have chosen one or the other. The fact that they picked CA out of the first spot in the group meant they compared the opera vocalists and just liked CA more from the interview. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:36 01/18/21 Mon VA and CA were in different groups that yr. (NT) -- No name, 13:59:16 01/18/21 Mon Yes, but they picked another opera singer from the first spot, And VA was late in her group. The judges got the Opera singer they wanted. It happened in Interview. (NT) -- No name, 14:43:10 01/18/21 Mon VA was not late in her group. (NT) -- No name, 21:05:16 01/18/21 Mon CA and VA were in different groups. And CA was in final night talent and VA was in first night (lost talent award to TX). (NT) -- No name, 09:40:14 01/19/21 Tue Yes. I'm VA and when CA won talent on final night from the first spot that's when we said we're not going to make the cut. But I had heard about the Interview so we pretty much knew anyway. (NT) -- No name, 09:47:42 01/19/21 Tue Virginia was not late in her group...she was 2nd. (NT) -- No name, 09:50:20 01/19/21 Tue PA should have gotten to perform talent. (NT) -- d..., 11:45:57 01/18/21 Mon I heard PA sing. She was better than WA, but neither was very good. (NT) -- No name, 12:58:48 01/18/21 Mon NJ was excellent, and all-around contender. (NT) -- Devotia Joy Bagelman, 21:16:21 01/18/21 Mon You know what the problem was with New Jersey that year, her modeling was so slow on stage that it was very noticeable. (NT) -- No name, 13:28:26 01/19/21 Tue

Subject: While watching Miss Georgia 93, I was taken by how beautiful and talented Miss Fulton Co Robin Wilson was. I was shocked when she wasn�t named a runner up, let alone the winner over Kara Martin. Then I read in the YouTube comments from PageantsHayDay him/herself that Robin competed very successfully in NJ (winning prelims galore). Then HayDay referred to Wilson as attending school in GA for her last year of eligibility and crating a phony southern accent for the pageant. Could that be why she didn�t advance beyond the Top 10 despite being stellar in all phases of competition?!?
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She was giving DuSharme Carter in her styling, but I think she had a better talent than DuSharme. (NT) -- No name, 08:23:26 01/13/21 Wed She was a double preliminary winner in SS and Talent and 1st runner up in the 1991 Miss New Jersey Pageant. (NT) -- No name, 09:28:29 01/13/21 Wed I am from NJ and know Robin well. She started competing in 1986 at 17. She won her first local in 1989 and was top 10 at Miss NJ as a jazz dancer. She came back in 1991 and was on fire winning talent and swimsuit and finished 1st Runner Up. She came back in 1992 an won prelim swimsuit, but lost talent to he eventual winner Heather Hertling- no argument on that talent win and finished 1st Runner up. Went to GA her last year and the rest is history. Her supporters were obnoxious and applauded and screamed way too much. I even told the family, stop it when she is in front of the judges. I think she could have faired very well at Miss America, at least top 10 and probably top 5. (NT) -- No name, 18:26:27 01/13/21 Wed Since you are from NJ, what was Michelle Sexton's history of competing at Miss NJ. She was Miss NJ 1993 and her rendition of Vissi D'Arte' is one of my most favorite ever Miss America talents. (NT) -- No name, 23:45:36 01/13/21 Wed Michelle Sexton was new to the pageant scene in 1992 and was double prelim winner and finished 2nd Runner Up, Robin Wilson was 1st RU for second year in a row, and Heather Hertling won. She came back next year, won both prelims again and won. (NT) -- No name, 12:51:47 01/17/21 Sun What did her family say when you told them that? Did they actually understand? (NT) -- No name, 07:46:40 01/14/21 Thu Were the 1990 and 1991 NJ winners stellar that year? (NT) -- Can�t believe she didn�t win, 18:13:45 01/16/21 Sat Robin was 1st Runner in 1991 to Amy Fissel who was later a top 6 at Miss USA, and won talent and swimsuit in her group that year. She came back next year and won only swimsuit and finished 1st Runner up again. She went to GA her last year and only made top 10. (NT) -- No name, 12:53:20 01/17/21 Sun

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