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Subject: Aside from vocalists and dancers (many sing in church, and many become teachers), how many former Miss State from 25+ years ago still keep up with their talent? Thinking mostly of instrumentalists and wondering how many give it up. But also include baton twirlers, gymnasts, etc.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:31:51 08/07/20 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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We have a state queen from the 70's that was renowned for her singing (how she did not win talent is beyond me.) She still sings a civic events, weddings, parties, etc. but I never understood why she didn't go further. I always thought she would have killed on Broadway. (NT) -- No name, 13:37:27 08/07/20 Fri Terri Eoff (Texas 1980) is still a working actress in NYC. Her talent was dramatic monologue. (NT) -- No name, 13:50:01 08/07/20 Fri I wonder if she’s still performing overly long monologues that don’t meet time requirements? (NT) -- No name, 10:12:25 08/08/20 Sat Sounds like Broadway in a nutshell (NT) -- No name, 10:41:54 08/08/20 Sat Wow bitterness going strong 40 years later (NT) -- No name, 13:58:46 08/08/20 Sat That monologue needed it’s own playbill and intermission. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:43 08/08/20 Sat Professional gymnasts that are 50 years old are not keeping up so o doubt pageant gymnasts are. I’m a guy and am 50 and can squeak out a front and back handspring. And I can tell you I’m an outlier. Not the norm. And I can’t tumble for 1:30. (NT) -- No name, 19:32:35 08/07/20 Fri I'm guessing that there are formers who own baton twirling studios, dance schools, cheer programs, etc., but can't name anyone off the top of my head. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:03 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: New YouTube channel with state pageant video telecasts
Author: Jeff Michaels - musicalcreations.om [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:34:03 08/06/20 Thu Hi everyone, I've seen links to various state pageant videos pop up on this board lately. Like most of us, I've had a little too much free time on my hands, so I found boxes of old VCR tapes, DVDs and video files of most of the state pageants I participated in over my career as musical director up to 2012. I started with the most recent Miss MS pageants from 2009-2012 because they were already in a digital video format and it was easy to upload to YouTube. I removed all the commercials. All the remaining shows are on DVDs and VCR tapes. None are high definition. I ordered a hardware converter to make the shows more consistent between each other and that should arrive this weekend and make the job easier, but they will have to play through in real time from start to finish. At over 2 hours each, that's a lot of work ahead. I'll try to process a few each week and upload them to my YouTube channel when completed. If you keep this link, you will be able to watch as soon as I upload them. There are gaps in the years, but I have televised state pageants from MS, NC, OH, CT, PA and VA. My work schedule outside of musicalcreations gets quite busy at times, so I'll convert as many as possible and upload as time allows. Lots of memories in these shows. Hope you enjoy them. Jeff Here's the link to my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC05ORZGA6H58XrTWr84p_uQ/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 00:35:03 08/07/20 Fri Thank you! NC CT and PA please! Thanks again (NT) -- No name, 09:37:05 08/07/20 Fri Those Connecticut state pageants from 1985 to 1989 were classics. But I hope the sound is clear unlike the 1989 pageant which was posted by someone else I guess a few months ago. (NT) -- Thanks Jeff, 10:11:47 08/07/20 Fri I’ll do my best. I have VCR tapes of CT 85, 87, 88, 93, 94, 95 (NT) -- No name, 11:28:11 08/07/20 Fri I only worked on NC from 89 to 95 with Joe Sam (rip). VCR tapes I have are 90, 91, 94, 96 and only the Baseball medley from ‘93. If anyone has 89 at the Civic Center, I would love to duplicate it!! Always loved that show. I only have 95 and 97 from PA. VA 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 2000, 2001. Also, bits and pieces of OH (NT) -- No name, 11:41:10 08/07/20 Fri I just became your 11th Subscriber, Lol (NT) -- No name, 13:30:41 08/07/20 Fri I also have the Civic Center show. It is in storage and I will try to find. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:39 08/07/20 Fri Oh my goodness this is what a lot of us have been waiting for. Hopefully you’ve got plenty more of the MS pageants. Something told me you were the guy to ask about this! Thanks Jeff! (NT) -- No name, 11:15:32 08/07/20 Fri MS 91, 94, 95, 96, 99, 2000, 01 on VCR. 05, 06, 07, 08, 09 on DVD. 08 is missing the first few minutes as it didn’t broadcast on the network. Just found CT 99 on VCR too. That was my only producer gig, then I moved to NC (NT) -- No name, 11:33:38 08/07/20 Fri 10, 11 and 12 have been uploaded, but I’m trying to improve the compression quality and may replace on YouTube later (NT) -- No name, 11:36:07 08/07/20 Fri Thank you so much! What a treasure that will be! (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 12:20:54 08/07/20 Fri Thank you so much. What a wonderful thing to do. (NT) -- No name, 12:56:28 08/07/20 Fri Jeff you’re awesome! (NT) -- No name, 13:36:02 08/07/20 Fri Ohio 83-87 please!!! (NT) -- No name, 13:56:15 08/07/20 Fri Florida '95 & '96 (Jamie Bolding) (NT) -- pls if possible, 14:23:35 08/07/20 Fri As a former Miss NC, would love to see your archives for our state. Than you Jeff for the memories! (NT) -- JVB (MNC 91), 14:47:07 08/07/20 Fri Hi JVB! I have the tape of you when you competed as Miss Elkin Valley. There was some kind of mix-up and they called you out last after everyone thought that was it for the Top 10. I'll always remember how you wiped your brow (like you were afraid you had not made it) That was cute. Glad you won the next year.. (NT) -- No name, 21:52:16 08/07/20 Fri I would love to see the old Miss Oklahoma Tapes when Kent Parham started doing the Opening Numbers, etc in Oklahoma, they were amazing especially the year of the chairs. (NT) -- No name, 15:33:26 08/07/20 Fri Jeff Michaels...this is Jonathan O from Henderson NC. You've just made my day. Miss seeing you buddy (NT) -- No name, 16:18:22 08/07/20 Fri Hey guys, I only have video recording of shows that I worked on as musical director. Sorry, never worked in FL or OK (NT) -- Jeff Michaels, 17:33:10 08/07/20 Fri MS 2005-2008 are now on my YouTube channel. 2009-2012 were reuploaded with improved quality. (NT) -- No name, 09:11:10 08/08/20 Sat Among these downloaded Miss Mississippi Pageants, which would you recommend to viewing? (NT) -- I value Guru reader's input., 09:25:24 08/08/20 Sat I am partial to the shows with Mallory Graham as producer. I think 2009 and earlier (I have more video tapes converting now). My favorite so far is 2006. We did a Christmas show too that was incredible (in July), but I don't have a video. (NT) -- No name, 10:25:05 08/08/20 Sat Thanks...2006 was the one I had selected also. (NT) -- Great minds...., 11:13:45 08/08/20 Sat Well what ever you do......don't throw the pageant video tapes away. Keep them in a tidy box for safe keeping even if you dub them on a dvd, cd, or YouTube.....keep them. Bit thanks for posting them on YouTube,hopefully with helpful and correct pageant date and location and title of the state tape shown...not just say Miss California Teen...or....Miss New York etc. Put info -1994 Miss Oklahoma pageant, June 9, 1994, Tulsa, Oklahoma...etc. (NT) -- Only wish we had kept our old Beta and VHS tapes from the 1980s to late 1990s., 15:55:01 08/08/20 Sat These are superb quality and bring back good memories! Thank you! (NT) -- No name, 16:34:57 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: Volunteer America
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:22:15 08/08/20 Sat Anyone know how the Volunteer America pageant is shaping up? Here are the states that have set up Instagram sites. Anyone know who the EDs are? Anyone know of other states joining? AR CA CO CT GA HI MS NV OH OR PA TN TX VA WV [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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New Mexico, too (NT) -- No name, 16:30:47 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: RIP Miss Pasadena, TX 1967
Author: Houston Chronicle [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:58:58 08/04/20 Tue https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/pasadena/news/article/La-Porte-native-Carlton-remembered-as-15457648.php [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She sounded fun. Loved that gold bathing suit in the 2nd photo. I wonder if that's what she wore in Miss TX? (NT) -- No name, 18:48:44 08/04/20 Tue I don't know. She also had a black SS that she wore when she won Miss Mermaid. In some pics, she resembles Renee Zellweger. (NT) -- Houston Chronicle, 00:33:41 08/05/20 Wed Was Miss Mermaid a Miss TX preliminary or strictly a festival? It sounds like she only went to Miss TX once. (NT) -- No name, 19:12:19 08/05/20 Wed She only went to Miss TX once. Miss Mermaid was a SS contest, the winner reigned over the Houston Boat Show. (NT) -- No name, 20:34:40 08/05/20 Wed Sounds like the old Miss Sun Fun in Myrtle Beach, SC (NT) -- No name, 21:40:36 08/05/20 Wed Was Vanna White Miss Sun Fun? (NT) -- No name, 17:22:26 08/07/20 Fri I'm not sure. I know she was once Top 5 in GA-USA. (NT) -- No name, 21:44:44 08/07/20 Fri So......does anyone have any Miss Texas pageant results records on how she did at the 1967 Miss Texas pageant? (NT) -- The obituary story only said she advanced to the 1967 state pageant., 16:30:04 08/07/20 Fri She didn't do anything at Miss TX. She was only 18 yrs old, didn't have anybody in the audience cheering her on. Winner was Miss Fort Worth, where the pageant as held. Five more in the top 10 were from Dallas-FW, 2 from West TX, 1 from East TX, 1 from Central TX (Waco). Per usual. (NT) -- No name, 20:55:22 08/07/20 Fri Well...I am least concerned about her age (as many women won state and national pageant titles at 18 or 19)...more concerning is the possible bias towards Fort Worth area contestants...stacked to make the top ten in 1967 (and in other years)? From viewing Marsha's main featured (NT) -- obit. photo, she kind of reminds me of an older Ester Williams (beloved water dancer actress)., 16:00:06 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: Why didn't they do better and where are they now?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:25:48 08/06/20 Thu Seeing the videos from the 80s has me reminiscing about the more recent (my lifetime) pageants and how I never understood how some girls didn't advance. Can anyone who was there in person for these pageants tell me what happened to the following ladies I loved watching? I have some prelim year tapes and some I just followed on here and was surprised when they either didn't make the first cut or in the case of the 2001 pageant, only made top 20 and no further. Also where are they now? Heather Soriano (Mississippi; even by MS standards, she was drop dead gorgeous and looked like a total doll. She didn't make the cut at USA due to height I bet, but why wasn't she in the finals at Miss America? Where is she now?) Katy Johnson (Vermont; I know all about the scandal after her ex wrote a tell-all, but that was after Miss America so what held her back at Miss A? She was definitely not the norm for VT and it would have been great to see her be the first Miss VT to make the cut. What happened to her?) Teresa Uchytil (Iowa; I thought her story made her a shoo-in. Don't know how I feel about her not making it, but I was surprised. So what happened?) Jennifer Powers (Illinois; shocker. Her talent was incredible. I thought it would carry her. She was also pretty so I don't get it). Tina Foehlinger (Nebraska; I think she made top 20, but I really, really liked this one. I thought she'd make top 10 for sure just on personality. If she'd been from a sash state, I think she would have gone further. What is she up to now?) Kelly Glorioso (Maryland; another one of my favorites. She was so "real" and I really liked following her year here on this board. What happened at Miss A? She had a strong platform and seemed to have a strong interview. What is she doing now?) Jennifer D'Ambrosio (Rhode Island; I think what likely hurt her was the interview she gave E! for their reality show that year about the pageant. She complained a lot. But I thought she was a doll and I really liked her being a "real" girl on camera and admitting pageants are super expensive. Is she involved at all in the MAO or did she move on?). Melissa Clark (Louisiana; ok, what happened here? She was like a pageant queen if I remember right and did pageants all her life. She was also the National Sweetheart winner. She didn't do anything at Miss A and that always confused me. Can anyone shed light? What is she up to now?) Lizzie Horton (North Carolina; I know she's a newscaster now, but I so wanted her to make the cut. What happened?) One who did make top 10 and I still wonder what happened to her because I loved her: Victoria Andrews Paige (Miss NJ) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Read some books written by former Miss A judges. They talk about how contestants get in to the interview room and either can’t answer questions or come across so stupid, they just can’t select them. Ever listen to the on stage answers? They are usually pretty bad, don’t answer they question they were asked, provide a canned pageant answer, or just dance around the question. And that’s just one question. Can you imagine 10 minutes of that? Judges have talked about contestants that are great interviews, but have no talent. I think the 10 minute interview is incredibly tough and more do poorly than great. I’ve also heard that when a contestant aces an interview, that they start throwing her points in other areas. My point: what you see on stage isn’t the only thing being judged. (NT) -- No name, 12:24:22 08/06/20 Thu Mind sharing the book titles or links? I'd love to read some books fro judges perspectives! (NT) -- No name, 15:48:09 08/07/20 Fri Check out Hype and Glory by Goldman. I believe he was a judge the year Gretchen won. I recall him saying he couldn’t figure out how she won and he called her Miss Piggy (NT) -- No name, 22:50:28 08/07/20 Fri Melissa Clark was sensational. She should have been top 2. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:57 08/06/20 Thu Katy Johnson was pretty, strong gown and SS, and a pretty good singing voice. Her Talent was original too-she sang a song in a mock wedding gown. I think this was a clear case of regional bias. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:30 08/06/20 Thu Katy Johnson couldn't even crack top 10 in her home state of FL. So she "just so happened" to transfer to the University of Vermont. I never saw her as even close to the top 10 at Miss America and she was right out of a Pageant Patty textbook. (NT) -- No name, 15:07:37 08/06/20 Thu Truth!!! (NT) -- No name, 20:53:26 08/06/20 Thu Melissa Clark has been cohosting the Miss Louisiana pageant for years now and seems to have an amazing life. (NT) -- No name, 21:36:35 08/06/20 Thu For me she just looked like a pro. A lot of pageant patties do well because they're so polished. I felt Katy was in this category. Maybe she was too polished as the program was shifting (NT) -- No name, 11:47:51 08/07/20 Fri Miss America 2004 was interesting because it had four previous National Sweetheart titleholders competing, Andrea Bailey, Melissa Cook, Madonna Edmond, and Mackenzie Mayes. Although Andrea and Madonna made Top 15, both were eliminated after the casual wear segment, which was an unusual portion of the competition, and should have not really been part of the scoring process. At the very least the top 15 should have competed in swimsuit and/or evening gown. (NT) -- No name, 21:39:21 08/06/20 Thu I meant Melissa Clark. (NT) -- No name, 21:40:22 08/06/20 Thu Jenny Powers had a sensational talent, but interview and public speaking were not her strengths. She also botched her onstage question at Miss America. She comes from a very well connected political family in Massachusetts and won Miss Illinois while she was studying voice at Northwestern. Nice girls, but if she would have made top ten at Miss America it would have been primarily on the strength of her talent. (NT) -- No name, 15:10:59 08/06/20 Thu Supposedly Jennifer powers and Kristin Stevenson Miss Oklahoma had enough points to make the top 10 but both were replaced at the top 15 meeting by Miss Michigan and Miss Pennsylvania (NT) -- No name, 16:10:49 08/06/20 Thu supposedly = pageant rumor and urban legend. Unless you were the CEO of Miss America at that time, you don't know that with any level of surety. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:10 08/06/20 Thu Top 15 meeting wasn’t a myth dear. (NT) -- No name, 17:15:54 08/06/20 Thu correct, it wasn't a myth. But your knowledge that two contestants were replaced from the top 10 during that meeting is the myth. (NT) -- No name, 18:16:32 08/06/20 Thu The top 15 meeting was where the composite score originated. The rules were that the top 15 were presented and each candidate discussed. Judges were not allowed to rank them to say where they would place the contestant. They could only speak to the strengths or concerns they had about each young woman fulfilling the role of Miss America. Then each judge assigned a composite score, and the top 10 composite scores advanced to the finals. Is it possible that a contestant who was ranked #11 to #15 after the preliminaries could have received higher composite scores and moved up into the top 10? Yes it was possible. But unless you knew the auditors scores before and after the top 15 meeting, there's no way anyone knew who was replaced. And also, if someone did move out of the top 10, it was because she didn't get high enough composite scores, it wasn't because Leonard Horn, or some other pageant official, sat in the corner and randomly pulled the contestant out of the finals. (NT) -- No name, 21:47:30 08/06/20 Thu Some years, it's obvious. The 1996 pageant (crowning Miss A 1997) comes to mind when TX was in top 10 while FL was excluded (NT) -- No name, 11:50:17 08/07/20 Fri While not known for sure, that's one example that makes you believe that the composite score took a few contestants out of the finals. FL was non-finalist talent and non-finalist interview that year and was stronger than some of the top 10. That's why I never liked the composite score. The top ten should be the highest points after prelims, PERIOD! (NT) -- No name, 23:52:30 08/07/20 Fri I totally agree and FL that year was such a doll! I was there in person that year and I thought for sure she was in top 10 (NT) -- No name, 10:46:20 08/08/20 Sat Agree. I'm such a Jamie Bolding fan I even procured Miss Florida '95 & '96 to see her talent. (NT) -- Her dancing during the evening gown production ("You Better Work") was tremendous!!, 15:02:38 08/08/20 Sat There were four preliminary winners in each 2000 (Angela Perez Baraquio's year). Who were the ones that tied? (NT) -- No name, 15:43:38 08/06/20 Thu This happened after the pageant when a prelim judges score was removed. Louisiana and Delaware tied in talent and Louisiana and Kentucky tied in swimsuit. In addition miss New Jersey got an additional scholarship which was essentially a 6th place award that came out of nowhere. (NT) -- No name, 16:08:27 08/06/20 Thu I don't think that LA tied with DE or KY. I think that, without the disqualified judge's score, DE won talent and KY won swimsuit. (NT) -- No name, 22:55:28 08/06/20 Thu Katy Johnson had to have been near the bottom at Miss America she was nowhere near the top 10 she made one appearance as Miss Vermont and as soon as she won went back to Florida to prepare for Miss America. She’s an attorney under her married name, her suing tucker max over that story was textbook Streisand effect. (NT) -- No name, 16:03:20 08/06/20 Thu Katy must have some sort of Vermont residency because she represented Vermont again two years later at Miss USA 2001. (NT) -- No name, 18:21:21 08/06/20 Thu Well I'm only going by the tapes from 1999 of all the contestants on stage performance and in my opinion I thought K Johnson was pretty good okay. (NT) -- No name, 19:43:16 08/06/20 Thu Does anyone know Johnson’s married name ? (NT) -- No name, 22:52:31 08/06/20 Thu Surprised Lizzie was crowned Miss NC. (NT) -- No name, 19:00:27 08/06/20 Thu From a long time pageant fan I think you listed mostly contestants that stood out to you in some way but not strong overall. My guess is most of these didn’t have a top notch interview. Several on your list were no where near my top ten list after watching from the audience all week. Just my two cents. (NT) -- No name, 20:39:09 08/06/20 Thu I never thought Heather Soriano was going to be in the top 10 in 1999. That was a highly competitive year if you recall with two SS winners and two Talent winners not making the top 10. That's almost unheard of. I will say though that Heather's gown was in the top five of my all-time favorite gowns I've ever seen- it was absolutely stunning. (NT) -- I was surprised though that she won NFT b/c I didn't think her voice was anything so great, 22:40:31 08/06/20 Thu I felt the only thing that would keep Heather out would be talent, but she ended up winning NFT, so how that happened I'll never understand. She was also obviously heartbroken. She's one of the few contestants I've seen who had been visibly crying when missing the cut. When they introduced her as a NFT winner, her eyes were so red and puffy. I felt so bad for her (NT) -- No name, 11:54:22 08/07/20 Fri Anyone know what happened to Heather? Did she become a doctor? (NT) -- No name, 10:44:58 08/08/20 Sat Were there no nonfinalist talent winners or interview winner in 2001 (Katie Harman's year?) (NT) -- No name, 23:47:45 08/06/20 Thu No. There were 20 semi-finalists that year, and they had Preliminary Interview winners (DC MA PA) (NT) -- No name, 13:04:30 08/07/20 Fri Melissa is married to Andrew Whitwoth who plays for the LA rams. She was an anchor on a local TV station in Louisiana before she got married. (NT) -- No name, 01:11:03 08/07/20 Fri Here in MD we love love LOVE our Kelly Glorioso. She did make the quarter finals and received 1st ru for her work with Service Dogs. We thought she would go further too, but we were proud of her placement and acknowledgement. It was some seriously tough competition that year. I don't think there is a reason she didn't make it to the ten. Nice wardrobe, solid talent, gorgeous gown. She had a great career as a news anchor in Nebraska and is a stay at home mom to her three children and a farmyard full of animals. (NT) -- It would have been nice but she was recognized for her Community Svc. Very happy about that., 12:04:02 08/07/20 Fri Tina Foehlinger is married with two girls living in Colorado. She is still a very personable and fun person and is, of course, still involved with baton! (NT) -- No name, 13:28:53 08/07/20 Fri Though I really like Liz Horton and think she did a very good job as Miss NC....EVERYONE was shocked when she won. (NT) -- No name, 16:02:03 08/07/20 Fri Why was everyone so shocked? She seemed so personable and was very articulate. I thought she likely did well in interview and came across very likeable (NT) -- No name, 18:16:21 08/07/20 Fri I know before the pageant she was on a lot of people's Top 10 & Top 5 list for Miss NC. Does anyone remember her runner-ups? (NT) -- No name, 21:55:06 08/07/20 Fri https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/nebraska-twirler-bob-foehlinger-killed/article_ff43a80f-fc8c-5ab0-a35f-3f6b53cef3f4.html (NT) -- Robert, the brother of Miss Nebraska 2001, Christina (Tina) F, was killed in a 2003 Missouri crash., 15:28:12 08/08/20 Sat Andrea Duke (later MNCUSA) was 1st ru to Lizzie. (NT) -- No name, 02:36:45 08/08/20 Sat ................It would have been extra nice had to listed the year they were the state titleholder and competed at Miss America which would help some to remember who your favorites are that you asked about. As for Florida native and obsessed pageant gal (NT) -- Katy Johnson, she is probably still follows pageants...or competing. Not sure., 15:22:05 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: Cara is going to Harvard Law! It is interesting MAO has yet to recognize it.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:55:43 07/29/20 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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And is there a reason that it needs to be noted? (NT) -- No name, 12:07:04 07/29/20 Wed They recognized Kira when she announced she was going to USC. Why not recognize Cara who is going to Harvard Law? This is a scholarship program, isn't it? (NT) -- No name, 12:14:11 07/29/20 Wed ^^^ BOOM! ^^^ (NT) -- No name, 12:32:50 07/29/20 Wed They are boneheads. This is proof. (NT) -- No name, 11:15:52 07/30/20 Thu I agree! The hypocrisy of their "empowerment." They are just proving Cara's point. (NT) -- No name, 14:00:30 08/08/20 Sat Cara is going to Harvard Law -- No name, 14:20:43 07/30/20 Thu Because her dream was to go to Harvard. Fulfilling the dream. (NT) -- No name, 16:46:25 07/30/20 Thu What if Cara does not want them to announce anything? (NT) -- No name, 19:23:52 07/30/20 Thu It sounds to me like the "announcement" has already been made -- by Cara. I think the OP is asking about MAO acknowledging it. (NT) -- No name, 21:59:48 07/30/20 Thu They’re not going to because she spoke the truth and was the last real Miss America. It would be an embarrassment for them. That’s how they see it. (NT) -- No name, 23:34:48 07/30/20 Thu Well y’all know who runs the social media accounts...so yeah that’s not going to happen (NT) -- No name, 00:11:52 07/31/20 Fri

Subject: Sisterhood of Miss North Carolina
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 06:28:27 08/08/20 Sat http://www.missnc.org/about/our-history [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Jessica Jacobs remains one of my favorites. (NT) -- No name, 06:34:46 08/08/20 Sat They need to update Deneen Graham's bio (NT) -- No name, 07:30:41 08/08/20 Sat

Subject: I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the Miss TX pageants 2012 through 2018. If you get a chance, watch the 2017 pageant for sure! It will melt your heart!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:19:09 08/06/20 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Where can we watch them? (NT) -- No name, 10:40:45 08/06/20 Thu Pageants Live (NT) -- No name, 14:59:55 08/06/20 Thu From Tara Watkins' year -- Miss Harris County Tori White did a sensational vocal to Linda Eder's "I Want More." (NT) -- No name, 13:56:53 08/06/20 Thu Tara Watson! -- No name, 15:09:56 08/06/20 Thu Thx for the correction. Tori was 2nd ru. (NT) -- Terrifically talented!!, 19:41:04 08/07/20 Fri What was so special about 2017? (NT) -- Saw it, 20:17:10 08/06/20 Thu how much is it (NT) -- No name, 19:55:34 08/07/20 Fri

Subject: Pageantry during a pandemic: Miss North Carolina talks about future of the crown
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:11:30 08/07/20 Fri https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/good-morning-show/miss-north-carolina-pageant-postponed-alexandra-badgett-future-crown-title-competition-scholarship/83-30f3da07-f845-4890-8fb3-232c3d4fffc7 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Why in the world would she turn down a job offer to stay Miss NC for another year. Whomever is advising some of these women is doing a poor job of it. (NT) -- No name, 17:06:20 08/07/20 Fri When girls do things like that, it usually means the job really wasn't that great and they were only going to take it just because they needed a job. But really, these girls aren't martyrs either. Each one was given a choice (except MT and WY whose EDs decided for them) and each could move on if she so chose. It's a choice (NT) -- No name, 18:20:16 08/07/20 Fri

Subject: Pageant Songs First Performed By Icons
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:47:55 08/01/20 Sat I was watching an old pageant tape the other day and a girl was murdering a Streisand song. I wondered why a contestant would attempt a song by certain iconic singers, because invariably it is going to invite comparisons. However, every once in a while, a contestant knocks it out of the park. Who are your choices for certain contestants that after their performance a song should be "put to bed" because they did such a great job with it? Here are two nominees: Michelle Warren " And I'm Tellin' You and Tammy Walker "Don't Rain on my Parade" Who are some of your choices? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Elizabeth Simmons--Someone Else's Story; Leanza Cornett--A New Life; Catherine Lemkau-Someone Like You; Tiffany Storm--Papa, Can You Hear Me; Suzette Charles--Kiss Me in the Rain; Vanessa Williams--Happy Days Are Here Again; Stormy Weather--Diane Evans and Linnea Fayard (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 22:10:56 08/01/20 Sat Great Choices.....would also add Katie Harmon for "O Mio Babbino Caro" and Helen Goldsby for her operatic piece. (Which I don't remember, other than she was sublime.) (NT) -- No name, 22:32:56 08/01/20 Sat Mary Allison Hurdle (MS 91) sang Qui Bel Sono 4 yrs before Helen Goldsby did and was quite good. (NT) -- No name, 11:46:40 08/02/20 Sun Shani Neilsen--In His Eyes (NT) -- No name, 22:52:49 08/01/20 Sat Stephanie Simone, Stand by Your Man. (NT) -- No name, 23:01:11 08/01/20 Sat Everyone should just perform the song they want to perform. (NT) -- No name, 03:35:50 08/02/20 Sun Maya Walker, doing a cover of Lena Horne's Night and Day. Maya sang Lena Horne's That's What Miracles are All About on Dreamgirl U.S.A. (NT) -- No name, 03:51:47 08/02/20 Sun OP: I immediately thought Michelle Warren and Tammy Walker!!! We think so alike. lol. (NT) -- No name, 11:23:47 08/02/20 Sun Lol, great minds think alike. I just can't believe that I didn't think of Terry M. though. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:03 08/02/20 Sun I forgot to mention Shani Nielson -- In His Eyes; Lissette Gonzalez--And All That Jazz. (NT) -- Ima, 11:40:47 08/02/20 Sun I hated Lisette's singing, but she was sexy AF and sold the hell out of it on stage (NT) -- No name, 18:53:06 08/03/20 Mon Julianne Smith -- "Golden Rainbow" (NT) -- No name, 16:19:26 08/02/20 Sun Dorothy Benham, “The laughing song” Cheryl Prewitt “Don’t cry out loud” Dawn Smith “ je veux vivre“, “I am Changing” tie between Pam Mcelvy and Latonya Hall, Suzanne Lawrence “Sweet Dreams”, Chera Lynn Cook “Mans world/when a man loves a woman” Taryn Foshee “Elcumbanchero” Shilah Phillips “I believe in you and me” (NT) -- No name, 05:03:46 08/03/20 Mon Susan Akin - “You’re My World” (NT) -- No name, 22:08:51 08/03/20 Mon Susan Aikin's Your My World was classic!! Everything about it was what MADE Miss A great! The stage, lighting, orchestra, DRESS, HAIR, FACE, Pouf on the shoulder that was larger than life. Her singing was average, but she sold the heck out of it. Arm movements, facial expression. The sustained note at the end - over the top entertainment! Loved how she practically ran across the stage towards the end as if someone had fallen and she was rushing to help. The drama! And it was her hand that did the "rusting" not her arms! Just classic. Loved it. (NT) -- No name, 07:41:06 08/04/20 Tue I know this in on the state level but if you were there O...M...G I vote April Brinson when she won Miss Georgia singing "My heart will go on" in the midst of Titanic hype in 1997. She was a first time contestant at 18 competing against seasoned veterans who were fully expected to win. She absolutely killed it and took home the crown. She didn't get to perform it at Miss A because someone who won earlier in the season claimed it first. I'll always feel like she would have done more at nationals if she could have done that song. Ahhhhh memories :) (NT) -- No name, 08:07:19 08/04/20 Tue I don't know who sang it at Miss America in 1997 (if anybody) but Miss New Jersey knocked it out of the park in 1998 and won a non-finalist talent award. (NT) -- No name, 12:38:17 08/04/20 Tue April Brinson and Stephanie Ferrari both competed at Miss America in 1998 (for the 1999 title) and Ferrari sang "My Heart Will Go On". Miss GA in 1997 was Candace Lyttle. (NT) -- No name, 16:23:44 08/04/20 Tue I stand corrected. April was Miss Georgia 1998. So nice to be needlessly fact checked. (NT) -- No name, 12:17:40 08/05/20 Wed no one was trying to "needlessly fact check" you. You mentioned April Brinson and the fact she couldn't sing the song at Miss America. Someone clarified it. Clearly, Stephanie Ferrari registered the song first and got to sing it in Atlantic City. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:34 08/05/20 Wed And "clearly" that's exactly what the April Brinson poster said -- someone who'd won earlier had already claimed the song. SHEESH. (NT) -- No name, 15:22:07 08/06/20 Thu Respectfully, if you are going to come onto a message board like this, and quote incorrect years, you are going to be corrected by those who know it more accurately. It's a fact of life. Don't be so sensitive. No one took any swipes at April Brinson, and regardless of what she sang, she was a non-finalist talent winner at Miss America, so no one is criticizing the fact that the girl could sing! :) (NT) -- No name, 18:19:08 08/06/20 Thu I'm not the one who misstated the years, but I took exception to the "clearly" in the response which was needlessly condescending and bitchy. Don't be so sensitive. (NT) -- No name, 10:47:32 08/07/20 Fri You take exception to "clearly" and then claim to not be sensitive - bwahahahahaha! O.K., whatever you say! LOL (NT) -- No name, 11:07:20 08/07/20 Fri To this day, I still appreciate Marlise Ricardos and Jeri Ryan (Zimmeran) rendition of their respective Les Miseables performance. I appreciate that each embodied their character, whether Marlise as Fantine or Jeri as Eponine. Every detail from their costume to hair & makeup and from body movement to facial expressions – each are genuinely performing her character and doing it well. They are the pageant standard for I’ve Dreamed a Dream and On My Own. (NT) -- MLB, 13:23:40 08/04/20 Tue I was never a fan of Zimmerman's talent. Stacie James gave a better performance 2 years prior. Ricardos was great. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:57 08/04/20 Tue I agree. I thought Stacie James was great. I had never heard of Les Miz until her. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:25 08/05/20 Wed I'm a huge Jeri Lynn Zimmerman Ryan fan. She nailed her talent & others whose opinions I value agree. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:42 08/05/20 Wed Me too and I suspect nerves but Stacie screamed on finals night. (NT) -- No name, 16:21:16 08/05/20 Wed Plus I've mentioned this on this board before but Stacy James was definitely over the 2 minute and 50 second Talent limit. (NT) -- No name, 16:37:53 08/05/20 Wed Stacy's year was the beginning of the platform period and I am guessing that her personal story (stroke) had an impact on her placement. (NT) -- Speculating......., 18:23:59 08/05/20 Wed I thought she had Bell’s Palsy (NT) -- No name, 16:06:53 08/06/20 Thu I had Bell's Palsy about 5 years ago. If you take the steroid medication it usually only lasts about two and a half weeks that's it. So if she was struck by it right before the pageant started she certainly was very unlucky. (NT) -- No name, 19:58:33 08/06/20 Thu This was back in the 80s, so perhaps a steroid medication wasn't available 40 years ago IJS Glad to hear. (NT) -- No name, 22:52:39 08/06/20 Thu As mentioned before it doesn't not MATTER how long they go over on finals. They are timed during talent rehearsal. The orchestra(what James used) can't be held against the contestant. Many have gone over the time limit due to orchestra. James also had Bells Palsey as a teenager and was a permanent paralysis. (NT) -- No name, 11:33:08 08/07/20 Fri Yes. And some of those screams were not on a recognizable key! (NT) -- No name, 22:42:21 08/05/20 Wed ...and that's why I've always maintained Jeri Ryan's On My Own surpasses James'. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:37 08/07/20 Fri

Subject: Which state boards have former state titleholders serving? Is this a good thing, or not so good?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:21:40 07/07/20 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Alabama has Leigh Sherer, Amie Beth Dickinson, Ashley Davis and Kelly Jones on the state board. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:57 07/30/20 Thu Wisconsin has Meghan Coffey, Jeanne Pfieffer and Mary Kay Anderson on its board. (NT) -- No name, 10:02:20 07/31/20 Fri In WI, it’s a good thing. All three former Miss WI’s are good people who have the best interest in of the program at the forefront. (NT) -- No name, 07:26:36 08/01/20 Sat Well, Miss Wisconsin pageant executive director and board member Jeanne Katherine Libke Schmal was never a state pageant winner, she was a contestant in the 1971 Miss Wisconsin pageant, (NT) -- competing as Miss Calumet County but did not place or win any special awards., 18:56:16 08/01/20 Sat Could be good, could be bad depending on who it it. (NT) -- No name, 11:52:48 07/31/20 Fri Well, that says a lot... (NT) -- insert eye roll here, 04:29:26 08/02/20 Sun Isn't that the case with anyone serving on any board for any organization? (NT) -- No name, 11:34:25 08/07/20 Fri I wish Oregon did. They have one on the scholarship foundation board, but that is it. Looks like this is the standard, no formers on boards (NT) -- No name, 14:07:04 07/31/20 Fri The Miss VT board has a number of formers I believe (NT) -- No name, 09:27:43 08/07/20 Fri Weren't two formers state directors for a time? That's what all states should do. The ED should always be a former titleholder or former contestant (NT) -- No name, 09:32:27 08/07/20 Fri

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Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:36:43 08/07/20 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Can't wait to see this. Hope it is a BIG HIT! (NT) -- No name, 11:23:35 08/07/20 Fri Congrats Allison and Jay! Very cool! (NT) -- No name, 11:24:18 08/07/20 Fri

Subject: I saw that Miss Oklahoma gave away it's first scholarship award to it's first 2020 candidate. Are other states providing their candidates with scholarships to make sure they stay active right now?
Author: curiousgeorge [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:01:39 08/05/20 Wed ... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Yes...Miss Arkansas is giving away 2000 to each Miss and 1000 to Teen. (NT) -- No name, 18:05:37 08/05/20 Wed I saw that Oklahoma awarded a Social Media Scholarship! https://www.instagram.com/p/CDeSh4ghRPX/?igshid=1sw0no8tao8v6 (NT) -- No name, 17:29:03 08/06/20 Thu

Subject: Allison and Jay head to Netflix
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:40:34 07/29/20 Wed https://kat943.com/jay-demarcus-and-family-head-to-netflix/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I posted on here years ago that they were a reality show waiting to happen, lol. (NT) -- No name, 17:50:56 07/29/20 Wed Looking forward to this. (NT) -- No name, 18:14:24 07/29/20 Wed Such a beautiful Christian family! Can’t wait to watch them! (NT) -- No name, 21:37:15 07/29/20 Wed Looking forward to seeing their kids. (NT) -- No name, 23:44:10 07/29/20 Wed Looking forward to Volunteer nring showcased. I hope the issues with MAO are aired for ALL to hear. (NT) -- No name, 12:49:50 07/30/20 Thu I'll bet they skewer the MAO to the wall. Hell hath no fury like a big haired blonde former Southern beauty queen, lol. This will be the perfect vehicle to showcase their Volunteer pageant. Perfect timing! (NT) -- No name, 13:45:15 07/30/20 Thu Timing is everything! (NT) -- Exactly, 14:20:36 07/30/20 Thu Yes!! That's great news!! (NT) -- No name, 17:50:29 07/30/20 Thu General population will watch because of Rascal Flatts connection, not pageants (NT) -- No name, 14:02:40 07/31/20 Fri OK. (NT) -- No name, 14:26:22 08/06/20 Thu

Subject: 1987 Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:28:23 08/05/20 Wed Watching some of the vintage pageants and wondering something about the 1987 pageant. I know this was the pageant notorious for 8 of the top 10 being southern states and with that being said I’m wondering why didn’t Miss Louisiana, Amanda Mainord didn’t advance. That must have been quite devastating to be the only Deep South state overlooked. What held her back? Watching the Miss Louisiana pageants where she won and crowned she seemed talented, intelligent, and beautiful. Also wondering why Carol Carter missed top 10 the year Susan Akin won. She was stunning! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Honestly, I thought Carol Carter was gorgeous but her talent was a little weak. That said, different dat, different judges, she could have made the cut. As for Amanda Mainord, I suspect she was close ( she could easily have taken Tamara Tungate’s spot if you ask me) but maybe she was just shy a few points or her interview was not in the top tier. Hard to say. (NT) -- No name, 00:36:08 08/06/20 Thu Carol Carter should have sung the piece from the year before. She was better than Susan A. (NT) -- No name, 02:19:01 08/06/20 Thu Carol Carter better than Susan Akin? I beg to differ on that one and it is evident in the 1986 Miss Louisiana pageant that Carol crowned at and Susan appeared and sang at. It’s on YouTube. Susan went right after Carol singing and put her to shame. Seemed as if Carol really struggled every time she opened her mouth to sing. (NT) -- No name, 05:03:33 08/06/20 Thu My thoughts: Amanda Mainord had one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard. But 1986 was just an incredible year for talent. One could surely make a case for Louisiana as well as Vermont (Michelle Dawson) getting in the top 10 in 1986. Tough year. As far as Carol Carter is concerned-she seemed to me to be the personification of "Patty" coupled with a very average singing voice. (NT) -- No name, 07:11:47 08/06/20 Thu Sorry this was misunderstood. Carol was better at state than Susan the year before she (NT) -- No name, 10:59:50 08/06/20 Thu

Subject: Are the 2019 titleholders getting new sashes for the 2020 year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:44:39 07/29/20 Wed Are the 2019 titleholders getting new sashes for the 2020 year? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Seriously? You are honestly concerned about that?? (NT) -- No name, 21:22:09 07/29/20 Wed Ummm....are you new to the board? Things like this are asked and stated all the time. Get real. (NT) -- No name, 18:30:45 07/30/20 Thu Yes (NT) -- No name, 21:33:24 07/29/20 Wed The only titleholders that should get a 2020 sash are those that took over when someone resigned. All the others are still 2019. New 2020 are a unnecessary expense. (NT) -- No name, 11:02:27 07/30/20 Thu All state reps were sent a new 2020 banner. Several that I follow posted photos with their new banner. (NT) -- No name, 11:17:04 07/30/20 Thu Does that include the teens and if so is it the new style of sash or the old one? (NT) -- No name, 09:47:25 07/31/20 Fri MAO has a contract with the Sash Co. The states do not pay for the sashes unlike the Teens who have to buy their sashes. If the Miss get new sashes it was because they were already made probably in advance (NT) -- No name, 12:09:27 07/30/20 Thu Well MAO is making the locals renew their insurance for 2020-2021 so I wouldn't doubt they require 2021 sashes for the kickback! (NT) -- No name, 13:27:55 07/30/20 Thu I am a Local Director and nothing has changed with the Insurance. I am confused by your statement as the insurance is offered....not forced. (NT) -- Local, 05:56:18 08/01/20 Sat I was told at a meeting less than a month ago my insurance payment needed to be made for the 2021 insurance. Maybe your state doesn't require it but I've never been given the option. (NT) -- No name, 17:47:00 08/04/20 Tue In my state the insurance has been included in the license fee, which didn't need to be paid until a certain time before the local pageant. Not sure how that is being handled this year with no locals being held for awhile. (NT) -- No name, 23:30:28 08/05/20 Wed I guess ours doesn't then. I do wish MAO would have the same requirements' for every state. There are far too many "state rights" items. (NT) -- No name, 04:33:53 08/06/20 Thu How is that working for states that still had locals when everything shut down? Miss Carryover County 2019 gets to wear Miss Carryover County 2020 till February when she crowns the real Miss Carryover County 2020? (NT) -- No name, 10:30:38 08/01/20 Sat The new girl would be crowned Miss Carryover County 2021. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:20 08/01/20 Sat As a local director we were required to replace our current titleholders sashes with the new year (NT) -- No name, 14:59:08 08/01/20 Sat Not in our state. No one got new sashes and it really isn't that big of a deal. (NT) -- No name, 17:03:54 08/01/20 Sat

Subject: Good morning pageant land! I was thinking about pageant trends and some really bad ones came to mind. I did pageants starting around 1996 as a child and then beyond. What was the worst pageant trend that you remember? Mine as a child were the Claire's Couture dresses....I would have given anything to look like a pint size Lorretta Lynn at 7. And as an adult, those horrible lucite stripper shoes
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:16:37 08/03/20 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Chinese Laundry (and the like) nude shoes with EVERYTHING (NT) -- No name, 09:54:55 08/03/20 Mon and the rogue pinky toe that was always sticking out the side of those shoes LMAO (NT) -- No name, 10:11:49 08/03/20 Mon When a girl's foot would slide down and toes are over the edge we called it Tarantula Toe. (NT) -- No name, 13:55:27 08/03/20 Mon Gowns with a modesty panel that looks like the bodice are cut down to the belly button. Seems like these started with Nina in 2014. I also feel certain that one day, looking back at tippy top shoes, people will say "what were they thinking???" (NT) -- ., 10:27:04 08/03/20 Mon People were doing that long before Nina. All the failed attempts at the "Shandi gown" on the MAO side all that stupid mesh or nylon looking panel. (NT) -- Nina did it best but still hated it, 07:59:22 08/05/20 Wed the shoulder pads of the late 80's/early 90s with the fully beaded collars that came up around the neck. A former Miss America used to dub them "sequined sausages" (NT) -- No name, 10:29:24 08/03/20 Mon Gowns with tiny mirrors sewn to them and the gowns that have a open skirt and shorts underneeth. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:34 08/03/20 Mon satin gowns (think the yellow dress from "How to lose a guy in 10 days") These gowns were SOOOOO unforgiving and I feel like it was such a trend for a minute. I'm going to add velvet dresses to this too... (NT) -- No name, 10:47:29 08/03/20 Mon The satin ones remind me of night gowns (I like velvet tho, if good quality) (NT) -- No name, 13:37:53 08/03/20 Mon Good quality velvet gowns hide everything! They're not really a trend. They're classic (NT) -- No name, 18:54:19 08/03/20 Mon 1000% agree (NT) -- No name, 15:57:04 08/05/20 Wed I am a guy but I really hate the minnie mouse platform shoes - I just think they look ridiculous. And I don't like the high/low dress either. (NT) -- No name, 11:10:30 08/03/20 Mon I started competing in the late 90s as an adolescent. I miss the days of your mom being able to do your hair and make, and slap on a little lipgloss and go out on stage. I never did the glitz thing. I miss the days of being able to order a dress through a company like “the wooden soldier”, or at JCPenney‘s. I remember my first Sherri Hill that I got at a consignment store. It was my most expensive dress at that point, and for years afterwards my mother would continue to remind me that my Inexpensive dress from the clearance rack at the local department store got higher scores. Ha! I didn’t have stripper shoes as a kid, but we did buy the white satin shoes and dyed them to match the dress. (NT) -- No name, 12:58:47 08/03/20 Mon You guys remember "casual" wear competition? Like matching vests and other terrible decisions lol... (NT) -- No name, 14:49:11 08/03/20 Mon As a former director and still fan, I think the worst decision was to de-emphasize talent. That was the one element that set Miss America apart from the others, and despite their surveys, I think true pageant fans wanted to see it. That year they only let two girls perform on finals night was absurd and even last year it was only five. (NT) -- Bring back the top ten!!!, 15:50:53 08/03/20 Mon Can we talk about the Shandi dress? (NT) -- No name, 18:56:16 08/03/20 Mon That thing was EVERYWHERE! and I guarantee you that very few looked as good as she did in it. I’m going to add the Jovani/ Sherri Hill floral lace gowns to this. I spent way too much money on one of these and never did anything in it lol (NT) -- No name, 21:29:34 08/03/20 Mon Say what you want about the nude platforms of today, but they aren’t worse than the clear acrylic platforms that used to be worn. Yikes (NT) -- No name, 21:33:15 08/03/20 Mon Fond memories of one piece swimsuits with dyed to match shoes lol. (NT) -- No name, 21:55:09 08/03/20 Mon 'My Man"-- Julianne Hackney, Miss Indiana 1998 & Laurie Saarinan, Miss Minnesota 1982. (NT) -- No name, 04:49:58 08/04/20 Tue I agree with the poster who mentioned the deemphasis on Talent. Miss America went out of their way to brag for years about how talent distinguished our pageant from the others. Remember the 3 hr show in 2004 where they showed only 2 talents? Then the 90 sec limit came in 4 yrs later. Not good. (NT) -- No name, 06:40:31 08/04/20 Tue I remember when contestants would perform to songs (especially singers) and there was an actual build up and performance instead of only giving contestants 90 seconds where they scream the whole time and hit the highest notes possible just to show off their "talent". Anyway gotta remember that at the end of the day Miss America is a brand and a business...they'll do whatever they think will continue to make them money. (NT) -- No name, 08:02:23 08/04/20 Tue You know what kills me. Even if the Talent is 90 seconds, or whatever, they don't even introduce the talents anymore the way they should. Years ago they used to tell us what Broadway show a song they came from etc--now forget about it.. (NT) -- No name, 20:01:41 08/04/20 Tue Good to see Julianne Hackney get a shout out. Solid, well-rounded contestant who did well with a Streisand standard. (NT) -- & also in '98 (the one everyone loves to hate) Lizzette Gonzolez's All That Jazz, deftly executed!, 13:43:56 08/04/20 Tue Agreed on Julianne!!! (NT) -- No name, 16:36:08 08/04/20 Tue Those dresses that looked like mummy bandages wrapped round and round. (NT) -- No name, 18:02:27 08/04/20 Tue The person who mentioned Herve Leger meant to answer in response to this post. Bandage dresses! (NT) -- No name, 22:30:21 08/05/20 Wed I can't remember the brand, but they were knit dresses and suits (like St. John) that were bright colors and styles that no young women outside of pageants would wear. (NT) -- No name, 11:37:22 08/05/20 Wed Are you talking about Doncaster. They were knit and the ultimate senator's wives go to outfit. (NT) -- No name, 13:31:00 08/05/20 Wed Love Doncaster! (NT) -- No name, 13:36:15 08/05/20 Wed Ooooh I wanted one of theses so bad, but they were so expensive! (NT) -- No name, 14:29:18 08/05/20 Wed Herve Leger (NT) -- No name, 15:32:48 08/05/20 Wed The ones I guess that I was thinking about were Jennifer Roberts and Michael St. George. (NT) -- No name, 19:21:39 08/05/20 Wed Jennifer Roberts dresses and suits were simply amazing. I thought they gave the girls a polished look. (NT) -- fan, 20:25:01 08/05/20 Wed As a LED I bought several of those back in the day! (NT) -- No name, 22:41:05 08/05/20 Wed

Subject: Miss Texas 1989
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:08:06 08/01/20 Sat The pageant was posted a few weeks ago on Youtube. That opening number has not aged well. The production numbers you could get away with then versus now is staggering. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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To me, it was awful even in its day. (NT) -- Ima (Jean) Starall-Reddy, 22:11:52 08/01/20 Sat Completely agree! (NT) -- No name, 22:33:11 08/01/20 Sat Well I happen to disagree--I thought they were wonderful. Americana at its finest. (NT) -- No name, 22:33:40 08/01/20 Sat This is a time capsule from the 80’s and one that now begs to be looked at through a different lens. This opening number and the Southern States party that took place every year at Miss America, with men dressed as Confederate soldiers, harken back to the Antebellum south and its roots in slavery. To say now that it represents Americana at its “best” is completely tone deaf. Continuing to view displays such as this as beautiful or a Dixie celebration that harkens back to a great time in history is what needs to change. This typifies how little some White individuals understand racist implications of words, concepts, institutions and traditions that derive directly from the past subjection of Black America. (NT) -- No name, 09:00:41 08/02/20 Sun Oh boo hoo-they were dressed as Confederate soldiers because they were saluting the movies of 1939, and Gone With the Wind was the most prominent movie during that era. (NT) -- No name, 09:32:17 08/02/20 Sun Wow! Loved it! Beautiful young ladies, beautiful hairstyles! 69 contestants! (NT) -- No name, 22:58:29 08/01/20 Sat Love the opening number. (NT) -- No name, 22:59:39 08/01/20 Sat What other states have vids up? Besides texas and Louisiana (NT) -- No name, 23:52:40 08/01/20 Sat https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZu1C0s3wYQvSFnjs-cFvlA (NT) -- Check out Pageants HayDay on youtube, 00:24:02 08/02/20 Sun PS has two up (85 and 86), and CT has 89. (NT) -- those were the days!, 07:45:28 08/02/20 Sun Sorry meant PA. (NT) -- No name, 08:55:04 08/05/20 Wed I used to work with a pageant coach in his 70s and that was 15 years ago...anyway, he would tell me stories about how the production numbers used to be Broadway quality in some states. People would buy tickets who didn't really care about the pageant but wanted to just be entertained- kind of like going to a movie. I always liked the thought of that :) The glamour of it all... (NT) -- No name, 11:19:12 08/03/20 Mon I am loving the Texas and LA pageants on YT. I also like the Connecticut 1989 pageant, b/c the eventual Sweetheart winner was in that one. And this may seem funny but I actually enjoyed watching those old 80's TV commercials too. (NT) -- No name, 14:09:39 08/03/20 Mon Yes, the commercials are amazing, considering the Pepsi commercial that changed Michael Jackson's life forever. (NT) -- No name, 17:37:11 08/04/20 Tue For LA fans: are those Piccadilly restaurants still in operation? (NT) -- No name, 11:25:05 08/05/20 Wed Love it! (NT) -- No name, 11:51:17 08/05/20 Wed Are you talking about Piccadilly Cafeterias? We used gto have them in NC but they went out long ago. I didn't realize that they were a national chain. (NT) -- No name, 13:25:56 08/05/20 Wed Yes and I did a google search and they are all over TN, LA and MS, still. (NT) -- No name, 16:22:50 08/05/20 Wed

Subject: Miss America Organization judge to teach local dance classes
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:01:26 07/31/20 Fri https://www.charlestonexpress.com/news/20200731/miss-america-organization-judge-to-teach-local-dance-classes [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Miss America Organization Judge ... I'm going to use that title too. (NT) -- No name, 17:48:50 08/04/20 Tue LOL...Please....choreographed Miss Arkansas....we never have productions that require dance....sadly there are enough dump parents out there that will take their little girls. (NT) -- No name, 18:03:17 08/04/20 Tue Here is our poster of the year. Always keeping everything real! (NT) -- No name, 12:06:43 08/05/20 Wed

Subject: MAOT News or Contract?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:42:22 07/29/20 Wed What’s going on? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Honestly, I get the impression that the states don’t even know that much at this point. And, probably won’t until the contract expires and a new one is executed. If a new one is executed. (NT) -- No name, 16:15:21 07/29/20 Wed Suppose to have a new contract in August (NT) -- No name, 17:55:31 07/31/20 Fri Will all the current 2020-2021 local titleholders have to sign? (NT) -- No name, 20:17:45 07/31/20 Fri I would imagine the girls in states where the state pageants have not been held will. I doubt the girls in the 5 (?) states that were able to hold their pageants will. Unless they choose to. (NT) -- No name, 13:04:59 08/01/20 Sat In the past, when a new contract wasn't ready before the beginning of the pageant season, the titleholders had to sign the new contract when it came out. (NT) -- No name, 11:05:55 08/02/20 Sun I heard all of the states got new license agreements with a license fee included. Does anyone have any info on that? (NT) -- No name, 11:16:13 08/01/20 Sat Did I miss the post about why the teens have a new sash style and font? Did MAO officially take over it? New paperwork has the MAO CEO' signature on it, not MAOT's. (NT) -- No name, 20:01:09 08/01/20 Sat MAO gets their sashes free from the Sash Company. MAOT does not. Because of branding changes, MAO demanded that all teen sashes use the same font and logo design. This recently happened, so all the orgs that already had the old sash have been asked to update. MAOT worked out a discount with the Sash Company for the states who want to update. Some have decided to keep the sash they have because there is no national teen competition until 2021. (NT) -- No name, 10:39:28 08/02/20 Sun The new paperwork has the MAO signatures because MAO licensed the teen programs in the states. They are not licensed by the national teen org. This happened several years ago, but it took MAO a while to get all the paperwork changed. The state and local teen programs have been licensed by MAO since Sam left. (NT) -- No name, 10:44:00 08/02/20 Sun

Subject: History
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:06:54 08/01/20 Sat Diane Nash was mentioned several times during John Lewis funeral. She was a 1960's civil rights activist contemporary with John Lewis. In 1956 Diane Nash was a runner-up in a local pageant for Miss Illinois / Miss America. Her dream had been to be Miss America. She was one of the earliest black contestants in the Miss America program. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Believe she is now 82 and living in Chicago. Does anyone know what local pageant she was runner-up?? (NT) -- No name, 20:02:23 08/01/20 Sat

Subject: Miss America’s with multiple crowns
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 20:20:58 07/24/20 Fri Which Miss Americas got more than one crown during their year? And why exactly? I’m seeing several winners who had different crowns by the end of their reign. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Lee Meriwether was crowned with a 3 point tiara. Then during her reign she received the elegant Yamron crown. She also got a matching crown bracelet. (NT) -- No name, 20:55:23 07/24/20 Fri Lee Meriwether crowned Ritchie with that particular Yamron crown, and then did not have one of her own. Years later at a Miss America reunion Lee was presented with her own Yamron crown. (NT) -- No name, 19:08:48 07/26/20 Sun Well, I believe Heather French might fall into that category. She was crowned with the Ruby crown, but that was returned and placed on display at the Sheraton. Then they gave her a regular silver one. Years later she told me that Art (I believe) mailed her the original ruby one back in just a regular box, no padding. She was surprised it wasn't broken in pieces. So she did in essence get two crowns her year. (NT) -- I wonder if Phyllis did as well., 04:02:19 07/25/20 Sat That Ruby crown was the ugliest thing since the gold cardboard crowns Burger King used to give kids with their meal (NT) -- No name, 09:10:29 07/25/20 Sat (NT) -- No name, 09:25:02 07/25/20 Sat I loved the ruby crown. (NT) -- No name, 18:03:35 07/26/20 Sun Phyllis had the only golden colored crown for the 50th celebration. Years later she was on QVC selling her product and she crowned the man QVC sales host with the gold crown. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:16 07/25/20 Sat Actually Phyllis George and Sam presented Heather with the original crown years later during Miss Kentucky. (NT) -- No name, 23:15:48 07/26/20 Sun Something happened with that crown being just in a regular box. I do remember her mentioning that. Maybe they presented it to her at the pageant, but they had sent it to her prior.... (NT) -- But thank you for sharing that. I didn't know they did do an official ceremony., 02:23:39 07/27/20 Mon They said during the presentation Heather had no idea she was getting it so I am not sure (NT) -- No name, 14:59:17 07/27/20 Mon crown history -- No name, 09:41:34 07/25/20 Sat From 1940 Frances Burke thru 1954 Lee Meriwether all the winners except BeBe Shoppe were crowned with the same crown. Most all then had their own different crown to wear during the year. Apparently the "crowing" crown stayed in Atlantic City all the time. Yolande Betbeze's crown that is now in the Smithsonian was her personal crown. Supposedly the "crowing" crown from 1941-1954 was eventually lost or stolen. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:21 07/25/20 Sat ooops... "crowning" crown ...not "crowing" crown - hey if it crowed maybe they could find it! (NT) -- No name, 16:45:01 07/25/20 Sat Do some of the states still do the same thing? I remember a few years back, CO crowned their new winner every year with this huge crown with all kind of environmental stuff going on in it. I also think PA used to do something similar. After the ceremony, the girl was given her own regulation MAO crown for appearances. I've always wondered what Becky King looked like in that CO crown with all those tree branches and tiny bears on it. (NT) -- No name, 17:54:08 07/26/20 Sun I read one time the CO crown was donated by a jewelry store maybe? and made with all precious gems. They give the winner the regular crown afterwards but they reuse that tiara. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:03 07/29/20 Wed Yes, that's the one I'm talking about. It was very ornate (and probably expensive) I wonder if there are any photos floating around of Becky King being crowned with it? (NT) -- No name, 15:55:41 07/29/20 Wed I tried to post photo here but couldn't figure out how. Google Miss Colorado crown and it pops up in images. (NT) -- No name, 11:54:25 07/31/20 Fri Thank you. I actually did that after my posting and found a very interesting shot. There was a newspaper article on Becky attending her Miss America send-off. She was wearing the Miss CO coronation crown. It seems that a photographer there dared her to wade across a fountain (probably to simulate the Miss America morning after "Dip in the Ocean" shots.) Anyway, she kicked off her shoes and did it with a big bouquet of flowers in her hand, lol. She looked beautiful, and maybe that was an omen that she was going to win. (NT) -- No name, 18:33:01 08/01/20 Sat

Subject: Prelim groups
Author: No Name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:48:38 07/28/20 Tue Who were in each of the preliminary groups during Carolynn Sapp's and Vanessa Williams's years? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Awards Contestant Lifestyle and Fitness-Hawaii - Carolyn Suzanne Sapp Louisiana Louisiana - Christi Page Utah Utah - Elizabeth Anne Johnson Talent Iowa Iowa - Lisa Somodi Maryland Maryland - Debra Renea Fries New York (state) New York - Marisol Montalvo (NT) -- No name, 18:46:00 07/28/20 Tue Vanessa double preliminary winner. Talent:New Jersey and Missouri. Suzette Charles singing kiss me in the rain /Barbara Webster playing the fiddle. Swimsuit: Ohio (4th) and Mississippi (3rd runner up) (NT) -- No name, 15:26:34 07/29/20 Wed 1984 Mu group: NJ, MISSISSIPPI, AL /Alpha Group: Michigan, OHIO, FLORIDA/ Sigma Group: NY, Nebraska, Texas and KENTUCKY. (NT) -- No name, 15:32:54 07/29/20 Wed If you are interested there is a complete listing of the preliminary winners for every year on Wikipedia. It is listed under "Miss America Award Winners." They also list a page for every Miss America year. However, for some reason the do not list the NFT winners on a lot of them. (NT) -- No name, 15:38:27 07/29/20 Wed Sapp/1992: MU group: Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi and Washington. Talent winner in this group Maryland didn’t make top 10. Baton Twirler/ Alpha group: New York. Utah prelim swimsuit not top 10/ Sigma group: Kansas, Iowa, Hawaii, North Carolina and Missouri. (NT) -- No name, 15:39:12 07/29/20 Wed I didn't attend the Miss America pageant in September of 1983 but I had a good friend (now deceased) who did. I definitely remember her telling me that in Vanessa Williams' group she (Vanessa) and Miss Texas (Dana Rogers) were really the only two that had any good talent (in that group). (NT) -- No name, 20:16:26 07/29/20 Wed Anybody have the full listings of each groups in performing order? (NT) -- No name, 00:22:04 07/30/20 Thu 1983 line up MU-AZ,WV,CT,LA,AK,NH,TN,VA,HI,AL,SC,ND,MS,IN,NM,NJ,KS ALPHA-FL,CO,RI,MN,OR,MT,MI,OH,MD,MA,ID,IL,MO,IO,NC,OK SIGMA-TX,DE,NE,CA,WI,SD,AR,PA,ME,WA,NV,KY,VT,UT,WY,GA,NY (NT) -- No name, 00:52:56 07/30/20 Thu From this lineup you can see how things were done in those days 37 years ago. Each state had to submit a tape of their girl's talent. The producers of Miss America usually liked good singers to lead off the group and good singers to end the group or be next to the last. For example, notice where Texas, New York, Florida, and New Jersey are placed. (NT) -- No name, 07:45:51 07/30/20 Thu (cont). They didn't have that silly lottery system of recent yrs. For ex, if you had 6 classical pianists Bill or George would put 2 in each group. I remember the yr Lauren N won, there were a lot of excellent classical vocalists- and by happenstance (lottery) almost all of them were the Alpha group. (NT) -- No name, 08:10:56 07/30/20 Thu The submitting of tapes didn't start until 1989. (NT) -- No name, 10:29:56 07/30/20 Thu No, it started earlier. Maybe you're talking about VHS tapes. But I was very close friends with my Miss State 1981, and she was required to submit an audio tape of her singing Talent. (NT) -- No name, 11:14:55 07/30/20 Thu What did they do for dancers? (NT) -- No name, 20:56:40 07/31/20 Fri This is very true. Primacy & recency -- a now deceased veteran state judge once told me back in the day...circle the first in Mu, Alpha, Sigma then circle the last in Mu, Alpha, Sigma...& of those six...the new Miss America could be found. It got to be obvious after French & Baraquio won back-to-back after being next-to-last interviewed. (NT) -- Hence, the lottery system was started., 11:34:39 07/30/20 Thu Back then, you could kind of tell what the producers thought of your girls talent based on where they put her in the show. (NT) -- No name, 13:49:37 07/30/20 Thu Just curious is there anyway to find the full preliminary order and groups for other years anywhere? Are they only in the program books? I'd be interested in seeing early 80s and 70s. (NT) -- No name, 09:39:30 07/30/20 Thu If you go back to the seventies and eighties I think your best bet is just to have somebody who has those old Miss America program books to find them first and then put the performing order on this board. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:40 07/30/20 Thu Not the original poster of this message, but I'd like to see the preliminary order of several years as well from the '60s through the '90s if anyone would be so kind to post them on here. I know that's a lot of work but just asking. Thanks! (NT) -- No name, 23:44:50 07/30/20 Thu Oh, I was be interested in seeing Bobbie Eakes and Elizabeth Ward's years for sure too (NT) -- No name, 01:29:20 07/31/20 Fri 1978 (Kylene Barker's year) SIGMA: MI, WV, MN, PA, RI, MA, VT, MO, OK, CO, IA, ND, KS, VA, TX, LA, OH ALPHA: AZ, NM, ID, IL, MS, MD, AK, IN, GA, UT, KY, NC, CT, NY, AL, OR MU: WA, AR, MT, SC, FL, NJ, WY, TN, NH, NE, ME, CA, WI, NV, DE, HI, SD (NT) -- No name, 14:18:23 07/31/20 Fri 1982 line up- Maffet's year MU-VA HI NJ MO CT VT MS SD NE AR ID TX NM CO TN NY WV ALPHA- GA IL WA NH UT IO LA MA WY AK MT NC DE KY AL AZ SIGMA-NV ME RI MI OR KS SC OH IN ND MD PA WI FL MN OK CA (NT) -- No name, 06:26:16 07/31/20 Fri 1980 Powell's year MU-MI KS NC OR RI TN CT HI MT WY FL OH AL IO SD LA AR ALPHA-VA MS KY CO GA ID PA WI CA MA AK TX IL AZ NY NJ SIGMA-IN ME NM NE WV VT UT DE SC NH MO MD NV ND OK MN WA (NT) -- No name, 06:29:50 07/31/20 Fri Ah, notice that in 1982 Debbie Maffett as placed last in group. In Powell's yr she was 2nd from last and WA (co-talent winner) was last. I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. I just think it's very simple. Miss America has always been a show of entertainment. And I think it's obvious that when the producers either by tapes or through word-of-mouth found out who, let's say, the good singers were put them either first or toward the end of the group. (NT) -- No name, 10:14:42 07/31/20 Fri Well, of course they did. When I was a local director we would have each contestant do a run thru of her talent. After that, I would assign the numbers. You would start off with a strong talent, put another very strong in the middle, and finish up with a strong talent. That makes for an entertaining well balanced show. I remember no contestant wanted to be first, but it was really a compliment. (NT) -- No name, 18:26:47 08/01/20 Sat Anyone have Ward's and Prewitt's years as well? (NT) -- No name, 21:36:21 07/31/20 Fri Elizabeth Ward's yr (just going from memory), I am pretty sure the first runner up Miss Illinois, was second to the last in MU. She was the Talent winner. (NT) -- No name, 07:00:45 08/01/20 Sat

Subject: Mich. Supreme Court Allows Flint Water Lawsuit To Proceed
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Subject: Montana program book
Author: Pagbug [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:30:36 07/28/20 Tue Can you purchase a 2020 Miss Montana program book by Mail? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I would either use the "Contact Us" form on missmontana.com or send a message through Facebook to Miss Montana Scholarship Organization. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:11 07/30/20 Thu Too late now, tomorrow will be a full week since the 2020 Miss Montana pageant, but you should have called the theatre where the competition was held. Ask venue staff to save you a program as state board people take too long to reply. Perhaps they sold out (NT) -- of them, at least the theatre would be a quicker solution. Then pay for postage to mail to you., 19:04:21 07/31/20 Fri

Subject: Unpaid Bills and Court FIlings
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 07:11:43 07/30/20 Thu MAO must pay Philadelphia-based law firm Fox Rothschild $98,206.90 with interest for unpaid legal bills. Was this ever paid back? https://pressofatlanticcity.com/missamerica/miss-america-must-pay-law-firm-nearly-100-000/article_048d3fcb-90a6-5d6b-ae63-9eb65f91f3cd.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Probably not. (NT) -- No name, 10:50:53 07/30/20 Thu The Atlantic County Superior Court's online docket shows that the judgment lien was entered Oct. 30 2018. The lien is still reported as open -- i.e., the lien still has not been satisfied. That means it's still racking up interest interest charges too. (NT) -- No name, 14:23:51 07/30/20 Thu

Subject: 1920's
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:55:48 07/28/20 Tue Does anyone have any information about the Miss America pageant Bathers Revue Men's contests of the 1920's ? There was a Bathers Revue category/competition for men. Found an old trophy online sale that stated the plaque on the trophy was engraved with: "Atlantic City Pageant 1922 First Prize Bathers Revue Men won by Jay S Carns" Have googled Jay S Carns and Bathers Revue Men and have found nothing. Does anyone have any information concerning men in the beach/boardwalk competition ? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I'll bet some of them wore woolen Speedos cut all the way down to the knee, lol (NT) -- No name, 15:40:34 07/29/20 Wed

Subject: The 1984 Miss Louisiana Pageant is now on YouTube!!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:29:00 07/16/20 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Interesting that Patricia Brandt won prelim SS but not Talent. (NT) -- No name, 23:39:44 07/16/20 Thu Her talent wasn't a strong in 1984 as it was when she won three years later. Plus it was a very talented top 10. (NT) -- No name, 02:46:18 07/17/20 Fri Patricia looks different to me; if I didn't hear her name I wouldn't have recognized her. (NT) -- No name, 07:44:53 07/17/20 Fri The 1900 Miss LA Pageant has just been put on YT. Thank you so much. (NT) -- These televised state pageants from the 80s were absolutely wonderful, 11:16:44 07/17/20 Fri Turn of the century pageants are so rare! Good find! (NT) -- No name, 11:21:17 07/17/20 Fri Ok, so I made a typo, don't be tiresome. (NT) -- No name, 18:07:24 07/17/20 Fri Lol it made me laugh. Humor that was needed today. Thx. 😷 (NT) -- No name, 21:33:23 07/17/20 Fri I was told around 1991 or 1992 Miss Louisiana had an extremely strong state pageant. That statement was confirmed when I was given Miss Louisiana 2001/2002 (Kati Guyton, Casey Crowder). The depth of talent really impressed me. (NT) -- No name, 14:46:44 07/17/20 Fri True (NT) -- No name, 15:32:28 07/17/20 Fri I just finished watching the Louisiana 1989 pageant. What a fabulous group of talented contestants!! Curious as to who won prelims in Talent?? My guesses would be Stacey King, Linnea Fayard, and Julie O'Neil (but I don't know who was in what group). Anyone remember?. (NT) -- I can't remember when I've seen a more talented top 10 in a state pageant., 21:02:50 07/17/20 Fri I know Chalayne Sayes was a prelim talent winner in 1989. (NT) -- No name, 15:27:33 07/18/20 Sat LA has only 2 nights of prelims. (NT) -- No name, 22:32:35 07/18/20 Sat Linnea and Chalayne (?) Sayes won talent that year. Stacy had not been a preliminary winner until she won swimsuit at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 21:04:23 07/21/20 Tue Hard to believe Stacey King didn't win talent with that banjo routine that brought down the house. (NT) -- No name, 08:52:53 07/22/20 Wed Yes, that 2 inches of leg that they showed in their bloomers was quite scandalous.. (NT) -- No name, 16:54:36 07/18/20 Sat Patricia changed her routine every year and got better. Unlike Laura Brosset and Elizabeth Haynes who did same performances for 5 years. (NT) -- No name, 00:41:45 07/18/20 Sat Must be a LA thing. 2017 did the same routine for decades! (NT) -- Loved it when she was younger! Another reason I loved Brandt!, 10:36:31 07/18/20 Sat That's the thing, you should want to improve and move onward and upward. I remember a Miss Texas who sang "Don't Rain on My Parade" since she was six years old. I couldn't believe TX sent her to MA. She couldn't even sing. She did look like a "Miss Texas" and had the backing of the right local, but still. No one wanted to hear her sing DROMP for the millionth time, and she wasn't even good... (NT) -- Did Akin sing Tu Eres Mi Mundo since she was six too? I'd wouldn't be surprised. Pageant PATTY!!!!, 03:44:12 07/22/20 Wed Who is the Miss TX that sang Don’t rain on My parade? (NT) -- Before my time, 19:11:49 07/22/20 Wed A pageant fan, who was a friend of mine who passed away, used to get upset when people, like you, would say things that were so factually incorrect. Me? I never cared; I "considered the source" and kept going. But in his stead, let me say that the beauty you misspoke about, Miss TX 2005, might have sung DROMP at age 6, but she never sang it at Miss TX until her final year. At Miss A, she sang a different song for which she won Talent at Miss TX, "What Kind of Fool Am I," and made Top 10. (NT) -- No name, 01:01:55 07/23/20 Thu Wait a minute, are we talking about Morgan Matlock? Seriously people, I don't care what Morgan sang. She was drop dead gorgeous and could do no wrong as far as I'm concerned. Wish she had been Miss A (NT) -- No name, 12:21:51 07/27/20 Mon Akin sang many songs during her years of competing but You are My World was not one of them. She won Miss MS as a double preliminary winner singing Wind Beneath my Wings but another contestant had already registered it so Keith and Phillip picked out her winning talent. I love pageant patties! (NT) -- No name, 07:32:53 07/27/20 Mon The problem I have with Patricia Brant is the same problem I have with a lot of ventriloquists. When Patricia starts to sing during her act, you can really tell she doesn't have a strong singing voice at all. (NT) -- No name, 18:58:32 07/22/20 Wed Brant sounded MUCH better at Miss A. (NT) -- Love how she kept the same wardrobe!, 19:10:24 07/22/20 Wed If there actual singing voice is dreadful, I could see where that would be a turn-off. However that was not the case with Patricia. Her talent was ventriloquism and she knocked the socks off with that performance. So, for me her actual singing voice wasn't a factor. (NT) -- No name, 01:11:19 07/27/20 Mon Ventriloquists are not known for their singing voices. Duh. (NT) -- No name, 07:34:23 07/27/20 Mon Whether they're known for it or not known for it they still do it, and therefore have to be judged on their singing voices at least partially (NT) -- No name, 07:39:58 07/27/20 Mon Paige Philips had a very good singing voice during her routine. Some ventriloquists sing better than others (NT) -- No name, 07:42:08 07/27/20 Mon I had no issue with Brant's singing voice. What I find irritating is when there's no difference between the ventriloquist's voice and that of the puppet. I've seen some pageant ventriloquists where every puppet sounded the same as them and if you closed your eyes, you couldn't tell who was who. That's more annoying to me than an imperfect singing voice. (NT) -- No name, 10:46:42 07/27/20 Mon Wish someone would post Miss Louisiana the year Jennifer Dupont won. (NT) -- No name, 01:14:06 07/18/20 Sat So I will say it...I find it funny how these state winners who don't succeed anywhere off the Miss A stage keep returning to their state pageants. I.E. Debbie Ward, Gloria Gilbert, Dana Rogers. and I will throw in Miss A Susan Powell. People seem to love here but if she were as talented as many assume, why did her musical career never take off? It was always the path for state winners....give up crown, get married within the year after....they can't stand not being off the pedestal of "they love me" (NT) -- No name, 12:47:03 07/18/20 Sat Success isn't the same metric for everyone, and it's sad that you must think so. (NT) -- No name, 15:26:34 07/18/20 Sat Agree, the very idea that this funny poster attempted to define success and she found it funny. (NT) -- No name, 23:40:31 07/18/20 Sat I thoroughly enjoyed watching Miss LA 1984!! Now I will watch the rest of them, in order. Thank you to whomever gave us this special treat!! (NT) -- Wish other states would get posted too!!, 21:15:32 07/18/20 Sat Yes! THANK YOU I LOVE WATCHING THE PAGEANTS FROM THE 80’s and 90’s! MORE PLEASE... (NT) -- No name, 09:05:57 07/19/20 Sun I agree these pageants are absolutely wonderful. I just finished watching Miss Texas 1989. My eyes were popping out of my head because I could not believe how much effort went into putting on that show. Amazing. (NT) -- No name, 11:22:18 07/19/20 Sun How many times did Anita Whittaker compete for Miss LA? (NT) -- No name, 18:27:41 07/19/20 Sun Won and Prelim Talent in 1984, 1RU and Prelim Talent in 1983, 1RU and Prelim Talent in 1982, 4RU and Prelim Talent in 1981 that I know of. (NT) -- No name, 12:56:49 07/20/20 Mon I think it's surprising that Anita didn't win anything at Miss America - not even a non-finalist talent award. I think she was the first contestant in her preliminary group; I wonder if that hurt her. (NT) -- No name, 01:44:17 07/21/20 Tue I am a huge fan of hers but I watched the Miss A prelim talent night on YT. She was blah- the other singers MA and AL were far superior. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:50 07/21/20 Tue I always thought Anita was a excellent singer. Unfortunately she went first and honestly I wasn’t A fan of that arrangement of somewhere over the rainbow. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:42 07/22/20 Wed Anita should have placed at miss America (NT) -- No name, 12:10:38 07/26/20 Sun So often there is a huge difference in what happens at state and what happens at MAO (NT) -- No name, 12:15:59 07/21/20 Tue Is the 2017 Miss Louisiana pageant available? (NT) -- No name, 20:54:21 07/21/20 Tue Where do you see these pageants? How do you find them? (NT) -- No name, 22:58:44 07/21/20 Tue Just go to YouTube and do a search. (NT) -- No name, 10:56:33 07/22/20 Wed A question for Miss Louisiana fans: what is the meaning of the local title "Miss Blanchard Poke Salad"? (NT) -- No name, 11:24:11 07/22/20 Wed It's a festival in Blanchard, Louisiana, just outside of Shreveport. Poke salad (actually pokeweed) is a native plant that can be eaten if properly harvested and cooked. (NT) -- No name, 15:06:54 07/22/20 Wed Thanks for the info. (NT) -- No name, 15:53:35 07/22/20 Wed I was a huge fan Of Anita On star search Her finale "A piece of sky" is on you tube a must see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOZC-Qdzh4 (NT) -- no name, 17:22:45 07/22/20 Wed Re Miss Louisiana: how many times did Elizabeth Haynes compete for Miss Louisiana before winning in 1992? (NT) -- No name, 18:56:58 07/25/20 Sat Six, I believe--winner 1992, T10 1991, 2RU 1990, 2RU 1989, 2RU 1988, NF 1987 (NT) -- No name, 20:49:00 07/25/20 Sat Wow, talk about persistent. And she seemed to do the same talent every year (NT) -- No name, 21:38:15 07/25/20 Sat did Carol Carter compete again? (NT) -- No name, 20:23:29 07/26/20 Sun Carol Carter won Miss LA in 1985. (NT) -- No name, 20:46:50 07/26/20 Sun How Laura Brosset lost to her is beyond anything. Horrible vocalist. (NT) -- No name, 14:28:06 07/27/20 Mon Does anyone know what held Laura Brosset back? She was a great dancer, great swimsuit figure and looked the part, in my opinion. (NT) -- No name, 15:46:20 07/27/20 Mon Only took her younger sister 2 years to win Miss Louisiana and Top 10 at Miss America (NT) -- No name, 21:29:25 07/28/20 Tue

Subject: There he is, Mr. Miss America
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:54:37 07/25/20 Sat https://www.inquirer.com/life/bert-parks-statue-miss-america-atlantic-city-20200725.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Is the statue of Bert still near the Sheraton Hotel? Or did they move it or take it away? Think it was erected in 1998 and used to sing "there She Is" but they stopped it from singing several years later due to songwriter Bernie Wayne's widow suing for rights? (NT) -- No name, 19:05:57 07/26/20 Sun It still sang in 2016 when I was there (NT) -- No name, 23:17:44 07/26/20 Sun Well....as with many famed (and beloved) statues of men across America, someone will find something to cause protesters to demand the removal of the Bert Parks crowning statue in Atlantic City. (NT) -- Bert was from Georgia, a land of slaves, maybe his earlier family owned slaves, who knows., 13:44:07 07/28/20 Tue Thankfully no plans to remove the statue or any worries of protest on Bert Parks who died in February 1992. What was just posted both here and on the Philadelphia Inquirer (NT) -- newspaper website was just a flash-back photo for the fun of it. No statue removal---yet., 16:51:00 07/28/20 Tue

Subject: I've been watching those wonderful 80s pageants from Texas and Louisiana but I have a question.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:57:16 07/27/20 Mon Right before crowning why didn't they reintroduce the top 10? And if I'm not mistaken in some years especially in Louisiana, the top 10 were up on the risers and weren't even in the middle of the stage. Curious. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Me too and one year in Texas, late eighties, Gloria started announcing the runners up as they were walking back on stage. In fact, the fourth runner up just continued to her spot as fourth runner up, it was kind of sad. (NT) -- No name, 09:10:27 07/28/20 Tue It's amazing that states could put on wonderful, entertaining pageants yet goof up the most important part---the crowning. It would have taken maybe a minute or two to reintroduce the top 10 and then show close-ups of them for the TV audience. I don't get it. (NT) -- No name, 09:49:21 07/28/20 Tue It happened in 1991. Sandra Dornak was 4th runner up and as the top ten came out just kept walking to middle stage. (NT) -- No name, 09:50:10 07/28/20 Tue It's because they were running short on TV time. There was a hard cutoff time where the telecast would have terminated. If they didn't push, there was a chance to miss the crowning for the television audience. (NT) -- No name, 11:26:08 07/28/20 Tue That could have been ironed out in rehearsal and they could have cut at least two minutes out of a production number in order to have a proper crowning. (NT) -- No name, 11:33:13 07/28/20 Tue I think there are a lot of state pageant producers who only care about their 'glorious' production. The competition and announcements are just something that happen between or after the oh-so-important production numbers. (NT) -- No name, 14:49:27 07/28/20 Tue I found it very interesting that Louisiana has the Top Ten standing with the other contestants. It was hard to find the winner mixed in among the other contestants (NT) -- No name, 14:04:00 07/28/20 Tue Did they have a choreographed finale? Sometimes they do those things like that because the finale was choreographed with all of the contestants and if there are missing spots it might screw everyone up. Usually though, after the finale they usually have the Top 10 leave their spot onstage and line up for the awards. (NT) -- No name, 14:51:12 07/28/20 Tue

Subject: Who is Miss America? A Look Back at the Pageant’s 100-Year History
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:38:21 07/28/20 Tue https://theattic.jezebel.com/who-is-miss-america-a-look-back-at-the-pageant-s-100-y-1844518995 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Sidney's Annika Bennion crowned Montana's Outstanding Teen 2020
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:25:52 07/26/20 Sun https://www.sidneyherald.com/news/local_news/sidneys-annika-bennion-crowned-montanas-outstanding-teen-2020/article_0fdd3e4e-cea3-11ea-9aa3-9fd735e447e2.html [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Beautiful photo (NT) -- No name, 19:54:43 07/26/20 Sun Congratulations (NT) -- No name, 20:55:53 07/26/20 Sun Wow! What a beautiful, impressive young woman! (NT) -- No name, 10:04:00 07/27/20 Mon

Subject: Trophies
Author: Thank you [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:56:49 07/26/20 Sun Does Miss America still get a trophy or is that a thing of the past? If they don't, what year was the last year they presented a trophy and what did it look like? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 1989 Miss Texas
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:13:51 07/19/20 Sun I watched the 1989 Miss TX Pageant that was recently posted on Youtube. Not sure if I'm crazy, but the 4th runner-up that year was Gayle Ross. For some reason, that name sounds very familiar to me, even though I had never seen this pageant before and am not from Texas? Did she continue on as a volunteer or pageant leader somewhere after she was done competing? Or is her name common enough that I may be thinking of another Gayle or Gail Ross? Enquiring minds want to know! - lol [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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She seemed thrilled to do as well as she did as did the 3rd runner up. Did any of the runners up come back in 1990? Leslie Chambers had competed for several years. Rhonda Morrison won in 1991. (NT) -- No name, 15:24:51 07/19/20 Sun 1990 isn't posted, but I seem to recall that Rhonda Morrison got runner-up again, Lisa Tyree was 1st runner-up and never returned, and Suzanne Lawrence won. (NT) -- No name, 15:49:46 07/19/20 Sun Hopefully it will be posted. Would love to see it. Did Leslie Chambers not come back? (NT) -- No name, 15:56:33 07/19/20 Sun It is my understanding that Leslie won a local to come back in 1991 or 1992 and suddenly resigned her title without explanation. Never heard the reason why. (NT) -- No name, 19:34:50 07/19/20 Sun sorry, meant to say 1990 or 1991. (NT) -- No name, 19:35:36 07/19/20 Sun Did Suzanne Lawrence make the top 10 any year before the year she won? (NT) -- No name, 21:48:32 07/20/20 Mon No, she never made top ten in at least three previous tries. Then she won the whole thing. (NT) -- No name, 22:07:51 07/20/20 Mon There was something private (not sure what it was) that Leslie was dealing with. I remember it was mentioned in the Life article when B-Don was on the cover in the bath tub smoking his cigar. (NT) -- No name, 20:45:41 07/19/20 Sun I remember the controversy regarding the Life Magazine article, but I never saw it. Can anyone provide a link or a copy and post it here? (NT) -- No name, 23:17:34 07/19/20 Sun Gail was a performer at Six Flags... (NT) -- Singer and stage shows, 21:00:31 07/19/20 Sun Just rewatched it... wow! Can’t believe Lisa Tyree, Monica perry, Suzanne whitehead didnte ever place higher! What ever happened to them? And wasn’t there a dolly that competed? (NT) -- I think her last time was Cutler? Super cute!, 22:02:19 07/19/20 Sun Gayle was aging out that year, and had never made top ten, although I think she did place in the top 20 (announced at awards ball afterwards). So, to have worked so hard for so many years, she told all of us all she wanted to do was make top ten her final year. The fourth runner up spot was just icing on the cake. (NT) -- No name, 23:23:55 07/19/20 Sun What title was Gayle that last year....and why on Earth didn't blonde sex-kitten vocalist Lisa Tyree never came back?? She had hair like Miss Ohio 1985 (MAO top ten), (NT) -- Suellen Cochran but Lisa was a much more prettier gal. What happened, aged out?, 23:51:24 07/19/20 Sun Lisa came back in 1990 and was a runner-up to Suzanne Lawrence. She may have been 1st runner-up, if I remember correctly. But she never came back. But Lisa seemed to copy other contestants in talent, singing "you're my world" with Susan Aiken's arrangement, and coming back the next year and singing Margaret O'Brien's "The Man I love/The Man That Got Away" medley. There was nothing original about her, but she was quite pretty. (NT) -- No name, 01:31:11 07/20/20 Mon These have been fun to watch! Hope he/she posts Miss Texas 1990. That was the most interesting of them all. You have this young lady Suzanne Lawrence who had competed since 1986 I think and never made top 10. Then all of a sudden in 1990 she wins a talent preliminary, and wins the whole thing. She was absolutely refreshing and breathtaking to watch. Her story did add to her appeal, too, because it was so inspiring. (NT) -- No name, 07:22:24 07/20/20 Mon Say what you want about about B Don, but he certainly knew how to put on a show. Or hire people that knew how to put on a show. Those Texas pageants in the 80s can never be topped. (NT) -- No name, 09:29:25 07/20/20 Mon Wow... that year had two future moms of state queens! The mom of TX 2018 and the mom of LA 2017 were both competing! (NT) -- How crazy to think that LA and TX came close to being MAO sisters as well!, 17:20:47 07/20/20 Mon Who are the moms? (NT) -- No name, 18:53:50 07/20/20 Mon Whoops wrong year! It was 1987 that had the mom... LA 2017 mom was Miss Longview and TX 2018 mom was Freestone County! I know LAs mom kept competing to make it to Miss A, via OK then NJ. (NT) -- How many times did TX 2018 mom compete?, 21:42:07 07/20/20 Mon Those Miss Texas's Pageants are so corny and a bit over the top for my taste. But they are fun to watch particularly the parade of contestants and you see MULTIPLE future Miss Texas winners. I saw four one year. But man, these 80 pageants were virtually all-white when it came to the top 10, year after year. (NT) -- not very diverse, 07:20:15 07/21/20 Tue So what do u want, a quota system? Plus Miss Texas 1988 Cathy Castro is obviously Latina. (NT) -- No name, 07:50:41 07/21/20 Tue I didnt' know there were no black or brown skinned women in Texas until the 1990's. Who knew? (NT) -- really, 08:24:08 07/21/20 Tue Nobody stopped anybody from entering locals based on skin color. (NT) -- No name, 09:09:40 07/21/20 Tue They didn't enter because they knew the system was rigged, that's why. (NT) -- oh good grief, 17:25:17 07/21/20 Tue Oh, boo hoo. (NT) -- No name, 18:36:01 07/21/20 Tue The only pageant in Texas that officially discriminates on the basis of skin color is Miss Black Texas. (NT) -- No name, 08:08:03 07/26/20 Sun Also, Miss Denton County that year, Nicole Dalrymple, is the mother of Ivana Hall, Miss Texas 2013. (NT) -- Pageant Grrrl, 13:54:20 07/21/20 Tue Nicole could still be a contestant. Beautiful. (NT) -- No name, 14:05:19 07/21/20 Tue Jana McCoy, Miss New Mexico 1990, was Miss Abilene. (NT) -- No name, 13:42:23 07/23/20 Thu You also have Dornack who went on the be Miss Nevada and Birdwell who went on to be Miss New Mexico. (NT) -- No name, 21:40:52 07/25/20 Sat It would be nice if the Texas pageant had a full listing of winners and top ten finishers each year so we not have to fight and (NT) -- guess who made top then and what title a contestant had from year to year., 22:34:02 07/25/20 Sat

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