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Being Miss America: Behind the Rhinestone Curtain by Kate Shindle


Subject: Favorite onstage question you have heard/been asked?


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Date Posted: 17:45:31 10/20/14 Mon


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Subject: of the miss americas who have won since 1980 who is the most natural looking ( and the least)


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Date Posted: 23:25:41 10/18/14 Sat

I am not too familiar with Mao. this is not intended as a bash fest so do not go there

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Subject: Is Julia Rae Schlucter, NY title holder aged out? If not, can someone tell me how she is allowed to do a shoot with Miss NY sponsor Vartali, shot by Claire Buffie?


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Date Posted: 21:09:32 10/20/14 Mon


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Subject: Miss America and Miss California on the Queen Mary


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Date Posted: 03:15:38 10/17/14 Fri



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Subject: For the person who asked how it is right after you win Miss America. Great view of how it all goes


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Date Posted: 18:21:27 10/15/14 Wed



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Subject: Miss IL


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Date Posted: 22:36:19 10/20/14 Mon



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Subject: Kira's Homecoming


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Date Posted: 22:50:11 10/20/14 Mon

http://missny.org/homecoming-1/

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Subject: who took over for new york in ninas year and malory's and did they place this year


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Date Posted: 00:09:17 10/16/14 Thu


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Subject: Can anyone suggest a pageant gown store in Charlotte, North Carolina or Charleston, South Carolina?


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Date Posted: 21:08:42 10/19/14 Sun


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Subject: Rest in Peace Oscar De La Renta


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Date Posted: 21:37:01 10/20/14 Mon

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/fashion-designer-oscar-de-la-renta-dies-at-82-1201334993/

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Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM THE MISS AMERICA ORGANIZATION


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Date Posted: 03:09:10 10/17/14 Fri


Local pageant season is in full swing and the Miss America Organization (MAO) has provided strict guidelines for crown etiquette. What is appropriate etiquette for visiting queens attending local pageants?

All MISS, TEEN and PRINCESS titleholders affiliated with MAO are invited to attend a local Miss America preliminary pageant for free - provided they are wearing their current official MAO Crown & Sash.

Titleholders in national pageant systems not affiliated with MAO (Ex: Miss USA/Universe, International, United States, NAM, etc.) are welcome to attend the pageant by purchasing a ticket. These same non-Miss America affiliates are not allowed to wear a crown since there is no connection with MAO. Wearing a sash is optional.

Local community princesses and queens not affiliated with MAO, and not affiliated with a national pageant system are welcome to wear their crown & sash, but must pay for their ticket.

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Subject: Love this photo of our beautiful Kira, but looking forward to seeing a photo of her by herself


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Date Posted: 17:24:32 10/20/14 Mon



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Subject: Gary Wiser


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Date Posted: 18:24:50 10/17/14 Fri

I sent an email to Mr. Wiser and received a fast response. He said he did not know about Kira's scheduled appearance. He thinks it is a private chapter event. He will check into the appearance and then address our concerns. He sounded very sympathetic to our concerns.

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Subject: Love Love Love Teresa Scanlan's new style


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Date Posted: 19:39:40 10/19/14 Sun



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Subject: Past contestant question


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Date Posted: 17:10:08 10/18/14 Sat


This posting about this year's tallest and shortest Miss America contestant yielded a reply that it was Miss Nebraska (the tallest at 6'0") and Miss Indiana (the shortest at 5'0").
http://www.voy.com/229344/2/241780.html

I am curious to know, who were the All-time tallest and shortest who competed at Miss America in Atlantic City and/or Las Vegas?

As for tallest, which were the tallest and who else were equal or taller then these three:

North Carolina 1963, Jeanne Swanner
New York 1980, Cheryl Flannigan
Montana 1988, Rebecca (Becky) McRea
Nebraska 2014, Megan Swanson

And no idea about the shortest--besides maybe Miss Connecticut 1980,Jeanne Caruso, who had the bad luck of standing next to towering but beautiful Miss New York, Cheryl Flannigan in the top ten of the 1980 Miss America pageant...producers did not think about the appearance of the shortest and tallest contestant in the top ten standing next to each other, that made Cheryl look all the more tall, and Jeanne more petite. Remember that embarrassment?

Who else (and in what order) were the tallest and shortest contestants from 1921 to 2014 (and their height if known for sure)??

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Subject: 2015 State Pageants


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Date Posted: 22:39:07 10/18/14 Sat

Alabama - June 3-6 at Samford University in Birmingham

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Subject: Can anyone tell me who designed this dress? I am in love!


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Date Posted: 19:34:27 10/20/14 Mon

http://instagram.com/p/uV3-uxKqs4/?modal=true

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Subject: The Beautiful Miss TX in her final night gown at Miss America


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Date Posted: 02:58:50 10/17/14 Fri



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Subject: My Format Ideas for Miss America Broadcast


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Date Posted: 23:04:28 10/12/14 Sun

Overall, the biggest problem I have with the telecast is that what the general "non pageant" public sees does not represent what the program is all about, it is often demeaning to the contestants (this year in particular), and a viewer who didn't understand the ins and outs of MAO judging will generally not understand how or why the winner wins. So to address these concerns, and to get some self-respect back in the program, here's what I would suggest. Note: It's highly likely this format would require more than 2 hours, but hey, it's one night a year. And all the live awards shows usually take 3-4 hours, so I don't think the length is a big deal.

Contestant intros: Girls introduce themselves, mention their educational background/status, and identify one benefit of the program (other than scholarships) that they have received from competing in the program. (Note: In rehearsal, the contestants, would each have to identify 3 main benefits, then one would be chosen by the producer for each girl, so everyone doesn't say the same thing. Also, the order of intros would be non-alphabetical to separate those contestants who did mention similar/same benefits.) Finally, for each girl, there would be a super on-screen showing how much scholarship money she had earned to date from MAO, including any awards presented during pageant week.

Top 15: Personally, I prefer seeing 15 compete on final night over 10. The more the merrier. And I may be in the minority on this, but I think the eliminations after each competition make for a more exciting show. The top 15 would be based strictly on competition scores from the 5 areas of prelim competition. There would be composite attribute scores, but those wouldn't come into play until the top 5. So the 15 semi-finalists would actually start the night even - all prior scores eliminated.

Also, there would be no switching to a 6-10 scale on final night, and competitions would be judges at face value, NOT taking into account their ability to do the job. As far as I'm concerned, their ability to do the job is captured in their interview score, and to a lesser extent in the other 4 competitions combined. If they have made the top 15, chances are they can do the job of Miss America, some better than others of course, but no one at that point would be an embarrassment to the organization.

The only scoring change I might suggest is to increase on-stage question to 10% and cut swimsuit to 10%. Also, on-stage questions would NOT be about their platform (mostly what you get are girls repeating the 30-45 second "sound bite" about their platform they have all perfected by the time they get to MA. As a result, in about 80-90% of the cases I've seen personally, their answers don't directly answer the questions they're asked. So instead of platform questions, I would focus on questions they might actually get asked as Miss America - interesting items from their resume, current events - but only if they are directly relevant to young women (i.e., nothing about ISIS, but education funding, sexual assaults on campuses, frat & sorority hazing, how millenials plan for their careers in an uncertain economy, rising costs of higher education, should everyone go to college, etc.)

So the top 15 are announced in random order, and still photos of each girl in ss and gown are shown, as well as a very brief sound bite from their interview.

Top 15 would first compete in evening wear (20% of their final night score). Based strictly on that competition, 12 would be announced as moving forward to the 2nd phase of competition, and 3 would be eliminated. And the 3 eliminated would be announced in placement order, 15th thru 13th. Each eliminated girl of the night would be given 20 seconds to express her feelings at that point. (I believe 99% of all contestants would say something positive, but if the occasional rogue contestant is bitter and shows it, so be it. I think it reflects poorly on her as an individual, and not on the program.) Now, since most people don't see Miss America live and in person, evening wear would also serve as a "videogenic" competition and judged not only on how the girl looks live, but on how her looks translate to video. The judges would view videos of each contestant's evening wear presentation, which might take the format of a "red carpet" appearance with a "reporter" asking about her dress. (Please, no more Tony Bowls or anyone dressing ALL the contestants.) The reason I put evening wear first, is that it would most likely eliminate the semi-finalists who are the least attractive. The 3 eliminated contestants would receive "Emerald" scholarships of a certain value (higher than any non-finalist scholarship).


Top 12 would compete in talent. Now this might be confusing, but I'll suggest it anyway. The 12 talents shown on the broadcast live would be the 12 highest scoring talents of the pageant. Some of the final night 12 would certainly be in that group, but some wouldn't. This way, the most talented non-finalists would be showcased instead of contestants who are strong in everything but talent. For the contestants in the top 12, who don't have "top 12" talents, 30-second clips of their prelim talent performance would be shown, and their prelim talent score would carry over onto the final night tabulation. It's the best way I can think of to stop making the talent competition a joke to the rest of "non-pageant" America. Talent would account for 30% of the final night score. Again, the eliminated contestants would be announced as finishing in either 12th place or 11th place overall. They eliminated duo would receive "Ruby" scholarships - higher value than "Emerald" but not as much as the 10 survivors will get. During talent, there would be pop-ups on the screen but they would be more like "graduated Magna Cum Laude in 3 years" and not "is afraid of the dark." Every pop-up fact would be something that makes the contestant look good, not silly.

The top 10 would be determined based their combined scores from talent and evening wear. So the actual split in scores at that point is 60% talent./40% evening wear, so you most likely eliminate the least talented contestants among those remaining. The top 10 would compete in swimsuit, accounting for 20% of the final night score, primarily because no one wants a chubby Miss America. In this case, contestants would be judged not only on their live presentation, but on photos taken while they model. The judges would view the digital photos as well as the live presentation, so this becomes a "photogenic" competition as well. The audience would see the digital photos when the judges do, so they can make their own evaluations. After swimsuit, 3 finalists would be eliminated, and identified as 10th, 9th and 8th place. This elimination would be calculated as approximately 42% talent, 29% evening wear and 29% swimsuit. The 3 eliminated contestants would receive "Sapphire" scholarships - again, more than the Ruby and Emerald awarded to already eliminated semi-finalists.

There would be 7 finalists remaining after swimsuit. Each of these 7 would participate in the 4th and final round of competition, on-stage interview. Notice it says "interview" not "question." A journalist or former Miss A would be given the job of conducting a 2-1/2 minute interview with each of the top 7. About 3/4 of the interview would be devoted to getting to know the contestant, based on info from her resumé. The remaining 45 seconds or so would be a current event question, preferably of the same type as the prelim on-stage questions - items of concern to young college women, not world crises that are more suited for the President or Secretary of State. (Personally, I think it's great, in a way, that the pageant forces contestants to learn about current events, but really, when was the last time any of you saw a Miss America being questioned about the Middle East - there's always a crisis there - or solving the problems in our messed-up political system or the economy. If they really knew the answers to those kinds of issues, then the prize shouldn't be a scholarship, it should be a position in the President's Cabinet! Seriously!)

Now the person conducting the interviews would have been given all the contestant resumés and platform statements ahead of time, to prepare the more personal questions they wanted to ask. The current events questions would be on a "Wheel of Fortune" spinning wheel or a dartboard, and the contestants would spin the wheel or throw the dart, and whatever question was closest would be the one they get - so it doesn't look fixed for anyone. Plus it might lend itself to funny moments (say a girl can't hit the dartboard to save her life.) Also, each of the final 7 would be assigned a number based on the random order in which they were called, and the questioner would draw numbers out of a fishbowl to determine the order in which the final 7 were interviewed. The on-stage interview would count for 30% of the final night score. I would borrow the old USA sound-proof booth and have the girls called out of there one at a time. They leave the stage after their interview. The on-stage interview is a chance for the audience to get to know more about each finalist, and an opportunity for the contestants to express their individuality.

So at this point (are you still awake?), there is one final elimination based on all 4 competitions - 30% interview, 30% talent, 20% swimsuit, 20% evening wear.) 5 finalists are announced as the 20XX Court Of Honor, and 2 are awarded "Diamond" scholarships, more than the other semifinalists but less than the top 5. They would be identified as 7th and 6th place.

With the final 5, the competition scores are now eliminated and the "composite attribute" scores assigned after prelims come into play. They account for 50% of the final results. The other 50% is based on the final ballot the judges now fill out. The big difference with the current final ballot is that it isn's so heavily waited to the winner ( e.g., 10 pts for 1st, 5 for 2nd, then 3, 2, 1. Rather it would go back to the traditional ballot weighting - 10 pts for 1st, 8 pts for 2nd, 6 pts for 3rd, 4 pts for 4th and 2pts for 5th. I think this weighting makes it less likely that a judge can bury "their choice's" closest rival.)

So while the judges are balloting additional non-finalist talent winners are announced (the ones who actually performed during the talent competition would have been announced at that point) with brief clips of their talent, along with non-finalist interview winners, and overall winners in every competition.

Finally the four runners-up and the winner are announced.

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Subject: Our Beautiful Nina


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Date Posted: 16:11:53 10/20/14 Mon



http://ninadavuluri.com/

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Subject: Angel Blue in "Porgy and Bess" on PBS


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Date Posted: 22:38:34 10/17/14 Fri

Some PBS stations are broadcasting a production of Gershwin's "Porgy and Bess" recorded live from San Francisco Opera.

The role of Clara is sung by Angel Blue, former contestant in CA and NV. Clara opens the show with "Summertime."

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Subject: Ernie Got me going. My ideas for the telecast.


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Date Posted: 18:29:32 10/17/14 Fri

I agree with Ernie on how the pageant outcome should a bit more understandable to the public. Here is how I think we can, in a realistic way, make that happen.

Opening- There is something so exciting about seeing all the contestants dancing onstage. A fun opening number with lots of choreography to a mix-up of the hottest hits during that time would be amazing.

Intros- Each contestant will introduce herself and her major(with the name of her College on the screen under her title so she won't have to say it) without the cheesy "From the state..." parts.Stating their majors would show how smart and accomplished they are. If the cheesy intros were cut out that would leave so much more time, at least 10-15 minutes, for something else in the show.

Semifinalists- I do agree that a top 15 should be kept, but only a top 15. Not a top 16. No gimmicks . Give the America's choice winner a prize package or something. As each top 15 semifinalist is called, show a snip it of a good moment of that contestant in interview, talking about how she has benefited from the MAO. That way there will be diverse responses instead of just focusing on scholarship amount, many will state scholarship amount they've received, Confidence growth, perseverance, Health and fitness development, impact of platforms, and so many other ways.

Top 15 competes in swimsuit, then announce the top 10 from there. Let the top 10 compete in talent. It does not have to always go Swimsuit, Evening gown, then talent. Many state pageant hold talent in the middle and it works out fine. After talent, let the top 10 compete in Evening gown.

After EG, the top 10 will change into their cocktail/interview dresses for OSQ. From the top 10, pull the top five, ask them the questions, competition over. Easy. Not too many confusing gimmicks, eliminations, and other stupid stuff. Miss America is not a reality show. The Oscar's and the Tony's are iconic award shows that are modern, but still have a way of keeping their class and elegance of their shows in tact, and their ratings are wonderful. Let Miss America do the same.

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Subject: What happens to her family when a new MA is crowned? Are they escorted to another location where they get to talk to her or do they have to wait, if so how long?


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Date Posted: 15:32:33 10/15/14 Wed

Also what happens to MA in the 24 hours after she wins?

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Subject: Message for Kate Shindle


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Date Posted: 01:30:30 10/20/14 Mon

Hey Kate! Watching videos of you sing on Youtube. Can you upload your Miss America talent to youtube? As someone who was a baby when you won, i'm dying to see it.

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Subject: What are the rules to be an LED? I would NEVER be an LED in the State I live in but do work in another state.


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Date Posted: 21:36:07 10/18/14 Sat


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Subject: MAOSAC


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Date Posted: 20:02:33 10/18/14 Sat

Since it was stated that these are one-year appointments does that mean that a different set of states will be chosen next year or only that a different person will represent the same states already chosen?

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Subject: Subject: in the archives: The Beautiful Miss TX in her final night gown at Miss America


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Date Posted: 12:15:04 10/19/14 Sun

That gown is really very beautiful on her. Can anyone tell what kind on material it's made out of? Or does anyone actually know?

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Subject: Miss America 2015 - In The News


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Date Posted: 03:15:47 10/04/14 Sat

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/entertainment/a/24996432/happy-cup-leads-to-happy-new-miss-america/

http://www.news4jax.com/news/us-world-news/miss-ny-kira-kazantsev-wins-miss-america/28061696

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/lifestyle/miss-new-york-crowned/1363544.html

http://www.sptimesrussia.com/story/40756

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=36381

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/kira-kazantsev-meet-miss-america-131216073.html#gpElfcH

http://www.freep.com/article/20140915/ENT03/309150097/1035/rss04

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/entertainment/article/Miss-America-under-Internet-attack-over-Planned-5761558.php

http://www.contracostatimes.com/contra-costa-times/ci_26535425/new-miss-america-grew-up-walnut-creek

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/miss-america-country-has-bigger-worries-than-little-red-cup/article_6a900ff6-3d7c-11e4-ac80-a7d4f201f56e.html

http://www.wdrb.com/story/26531307/miss-america-2015-hammered-on-social-media-for-playing-a-red-cup

http://news.yahoo.com/gripping-important-debate-miss-americas-cup-song-171337144.html;_ylt=AwrBEiKanS9UinIATvzQtDMD

https://za.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-kira-kazantsev-cant-escape-full-miss-082700855.html;_ylt=AwrBEiRami9UlC4AgXvQtDMD

http://www.people.com/article/miss-america-survived-domestic-violence?xid=rss-topheadlines

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/beauty/beauty-news/10552769/It-seems-Miss-America-is-a-Mean-Girl

https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-speaks-miss-nebraska-s-underwear-flash-154804319.html;_ylt=AwrBEiEOmy9Uqn0Ant3QtDMD

https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com/news/website-reveals-miss-america-kira-kazantsev-kicked-sorority-211139648.html;_ylt=AwrBEiEOmy9Uqn0AoN3QtDMD

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/09/11/347728725/pageant-contestant-felt-helpless-against-domestic-violence?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=us

http://www.contracostatimes.com/spotlight/ci_26585019/miss-america-kira-kazantsev-was-tossed-from-sorority

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-2015-kira-kazantsev-sorority-did-not-133000861-us-weekly.html;_ylt=AwrBEiKUmy9UEX0A3u3QtDMD

http://www.ibtimes.com/kira-kazantsev-miss-america-called-slut-bimbo-planned-parenthood-internship-1692377

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/09/17/miss-america-kira-kazantsev-ray-rice-has-long-way-to-go/

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/sep/23/miss-america-kicked-out-sorority-hazing/

http://www.eonline.com/news/579086/miss-new-york-kira-kazantsev-crowned-miss-america-2015?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-winner-accused-being-expelled-sorority-hazing-062000951.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9JnC9UpC0AGgfQtDMD

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/miss-america-organization-defends-kira-kazanstev-amid-sorority-013000685-us-weekly.html;_ylt=AwrBJR9JnC9UpC0AHwfQtDMD

http://www.eptrail.com/entertainment/ci_26585019/miss-america-kira-kazantsev-was-tossed-from-sorority.html

https://gma.yahoo.com/miss-america-2015-kira-kazantsev-denies-hazing-allegations-131102330--abc-news-celebrities.html

http://www.eonline.com/news/581116/the-miss-america-theme-song-is-following-newly-crowned-kira-kazantsev-everywhere-watch-the-funny-clip?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/09/23/miss-america-classmates-hazing-at-university-was-intense-aggressive/

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/miss-america-kira-kazantsev-addresses-hazing-allegations-170824678.html;_ylt=AwrBEiTwnC9U618AAvzQtDMD

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/miss-america-addresses-sorority-hazing-allegations/

http://jezebel.com/miss-america-was-kicked-out-of-her-sorority-for-abusive-1636095561/+tcraggs22

http://www.inquisitr.com/1505715/miss-america-hazing-kira-kazantsev-caused-30-days-of-hell-for-hofstra-universitys-alpha-phi-pledges/

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-miss-america-admits-to-hazing-20140924-column.html#page=1

http://news.yahoo.com/miss-america-admits-she-forced-sorority-142407522.html;_ylt=AwrBEiKanS9UinIAUPzQtDMD

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/09/24/will-miss-america-kira-kazantsev-be-forced-to-relinquish-crown-in-wake-sorority/

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Subject: Does anyone have more info about the new MAO State Advisory Council?


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Subject: Miss Texas Gown


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Date Posted: 21:00:57 10/17/14 Fri

My favorite gown at Miss America! Does anyone know if these gowns will be brought into Tony Bowls gown line this year?

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Subject: Please support my YouTube Channel!


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Date Posted: 12:30:40 10/17/14 Fri



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4iTbJlcr2o

Hey guys! I don't know if I did this right, but I would enjoy all of your support. Check out my video and let me know what you think.

-Leah Sykes
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Subject: I decided that I am tired of complaining and doing nothing to correct the problem. I emailed the New Jersey Attorney General's office this morning. I officially stopped donating to local and state pageants until the problems are fixed. What else can I do to help save this program? I will do what I can. I have loved Miss America since I was five years old. I am now 47 and it sickens me to see what it has become.


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Subject: Are your local numbers down?


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Date Posted: 16:54:30 10/13/14 Mon

We had 2 locals in Kentucky this past weekend. Last year the numbers resulted in 6 queens crowned for the exact same 2 locals. This year only 2 queens crowned. Very unfortunate.

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Subject: Thanks for adding the Define Twitter to the Community links


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