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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 15:08:28 02/27/19 Wed [1]
I’m hoping for a reply soon as this is the only place I know of where I can discuss my son’s treatment. I continue to look at chastity devices but I think I’ll do well to delay my choice until the piercing is done and I have put a suitable padlock on it. The design and dimensions of the tube will need to fit both the penis and the lock, I imagine.
While browsing devices I also came across this contraption:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Trillium-Steel-Locking-Anal/dp/B0076CLC0M
which interests me. It occurs to me that if this was chained to a weight such as a heavy kettle bell, it would function rather like a “ball and chain”.
Say the chain between the plug and the weight was about 12 inches, Richard would either have to stay in one place on all fours, or else carry the weight around in one hand. That would make housework rather challenging! I could also leave him at home like that without need of any other bondage, as there would be no way of him escaping his predicament or getting comfortable. It is expensive but very tempting.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 11:26:57 02/28/19 Thu [1]
Hi Celia,
first of all, to answer some of your questions, I do think it's entirely possible to stretch the piercing enough for a small padlock. But I'd advise against gluing or riveting or welding it shut, for once there might arise some situation where you might want to remove it.
(For cleaning, maybe at the airport or if the lock turns out to rust, there might be many reasons.)
Also, it could actually be fun this way for you.
To my own situation... Well, my mother was never really dominant with me, but I often have to think about how it would have been if she was, if that makes sense.
Quite an interesting contraption you came across there. Not sure if the price is really worth it though.
If it's mostly about the staying on all fours, maybe you should look into "humblers", or even use a simple chain which you could lock around his balls.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 14:18:59 02/28/19 Thu [1]
Hello Steve
I hope you don’t mind my inquisitiveness about your relationship with your mother. My interest springs from my own situation with Richard of course. As you know, I was never a “dominant mother” in the sense that interests you - that is, until now of course. I also know, from very detailed interrogations of my son, that he did not fantasise about me dominating him as a boy. His fantasies of female domination did begin in childhood but were focussed on other girls and women.
Our Mistress/slave relationship is therefore a very recent development, and you already know how it came about following the breakup of his brief marriage.
What is surprising is how it clicked into place. It was me who instigated it, without really knowing why - I rationalised it initially as a way to “teach him a lesson”, but really that makes no sense at all. From the moment I began to “act the part” of Mummy-Mistress I found it hugely satisfying. It was as if something previously hidden inside came to the surface. Even more strangely, I continue to have no interest in BDSM generally - it’s solely about Richard and the fact of his being my son. If you, or anyone else reading this, can she’d any light on why you think that might be, please enlighten me!
For me the satisfaction of dominating Richard is how powerful I feel. I am VERY strict with him, and make his life into one long humiliation - but he endures it all, and in fact the more cruel I am, the more slavishly devoted he is. This despite the fact that I’m absolutely clear about my intention to prevent him from ever enjoying another orgasm. Here is a man who spent well over twenty years masturbating to fantasies of domination, now seemingly addicted to permanent frustration! And it truly does resemble addiction because I believe he couldn’t bear to live any other way now.
I was interested in your choice of words: “I often HAVE to think about how it would have been “ if your mother had dominated you. Why are you compelled to think about that? And why is it all exclusively about your mother? That very much intrigues me and I would be grateful if you could explain that in more detail.
As for the locking plug....yes it is expensive and yes there are other ways I could keep Richard on all fours (e.g. by just ordering him to get down and stay down!) but the idea of the plug is about the most scarily humiliating thing I can think of. I just have this powerful image in my mind of Richard with all that steel locked into him, front and back, and me holding both the keys.My late husband left me financially comfortable and according to my research thus far, the piercing, chastity tube and plug taken in total would come to less than £400. Not a huge amount of money for the satisfaction I’d get from putting my son in inescapable torment.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 14:51:00 02/28/19 Thu [1]
Hello Celia,
I think I'm very similar in regards to your son. My fantasies started pretty early, too. But were with other women or girls. Pretty often about teachers actually. I think for me it's mostly about the position of authority, if that makes sense.
I guess for you, it might be quite similar, just the other way around. Maybe that's why you're only into it with him.
Hm, I often have to think about my mom, because this is basically my main fantasy. I do fantasize about other situations with other ladies, too (as I said, teachers for example), but there are so many more things possible with mom.
Also, I didn't want to discourage you from getting that plug. It does seem pretty exciting to you, so maybe go and get it?
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 16:38:57 02/28/19 Thu [1]
Hello again.
That’s very interesting - about authority. I have all sorts of authority over Richard: the authority I already had from his childhood, of course... but then the authority that came from taking him in when his marriage ended. Having to move in with me must have felt like a regression for him I suppose, and then I made him share his sexual secrets... his humiliation at that point was so conspicuous and I found it exciting to be the cause of it.
I had an uninteresting sex life because essentially I have never felt sexual desire for anybody - that part of me just isn’t there and never was. The nearest I came to sexual pleasure was a satisfaction in being desired. I received a lot of attention from boys, partly through being regarded as attractive physically, but I think also due to my sexual disinterest which could be seen as a challenge, I suppose. In my marriage I went through the motions of sex out of fondness for my husband and in order to have a child.
This relationship of dominance with my son is exciting to me sexually because it is ENTIRELY about his desire, and my frustration of that desire. It can only be with him because as his mother it is right for me not to desire him, and right for me to deny him fulfilment of sexual feelings towards me. With any other person I would feel like a bad lover because I couldn’t reciprocate their desire. But with my son I am a “good mother” because I don’t desire him, and also because I deny his inappropriate urge to masturbate about me.
So here I am at the age of 65 feeling sexy for the first time - without having sex. And I don’t need to feel sorry for Richard because he is literally begging to be cruelly treated. Not when I’m actually punishing him of course.... then he begs me for mercy, because I truly am very severe in wthe things I do to him. But he always comes back for more with his penis jutting and dribbling.
Anyway that is way too much about me. What are these things you like to think about your mother doing to you?
Incidentally guess what my job was before I retired... it will amuse you....
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 07:07:05 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Steve I do hope I haven’t frightened you away with my questions about your mother fantasies. I enjoy discussing things with you, and am interested - but if you would rather just talk about me and Richard that’s fine by me.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 10:15:08 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Hi Celia,
no I think you misinterpreted my silence. I actually do enjoy to talk about these things with you, I was simply not checking the forum all the time. Also, we could of course move things to mailing or even chatting. The advantage would probably be faster replies.
So first towards your message regarding Richard. I think I kind of understand your feelings, too. For example you feeling kind of pressured into sex, because you would feel bed to deny an actual lover, but that since it's your son, you can gladly follow your own desire there, denying him.
There are actually many different things I imagine my mom doing with me. But they all boil down to some form of humiliation or maybe punishment. Chastity is a great example of it.
But one important aspect is her character when doing it. She'd be playfully mean, if that makes sense. So not really this stern, strict or cold appearance like you'd imagine a dominatrix has. It'd be more that she simply enjoys it to be mean.
Hm, guessing your job... I really have no clue, but I'll give it a try. Were you maybe a teacher?
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 12:34:42 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Yes, you guessed correctly. But probably it wasn’t too difficult from the context.
Moving on to your remarks about playfulness: part of my lifelong difficulty with sex was finding it rather ridiculous. I remember more than once laughing at a boy’s erection without intending to be unkind, simply because to me it seems comical that I can make part of the male anatomy stand up and salute - and do so very easily, because male sexual reactions are absurdly predictable. I learned quickly, of course, that laughing at something males are so inexplicably proud of is not a good idea if you want to avoid upset.... so began a lifetime of hiding my natural reactions.
It is universally regarded as “cruel” to laugh at people, and I understand why. As a teacher I saw the way laughter was used in bullying.
Frankly, it is a relief to me that in Richard’s case I can let go and be honest in my reactions. That became clear to me when I laughed at his fantasies and that made him excited. VERY excited.... And I discovered that the more mocking and belittling I am, the more intense his reaction of arousal. Apparently I’m by nature what might be called a castrating bitch.... But happily that is what “works” in my son’s case.
Also, now I am “allowed” to react naturally, I feel aroused. I love dressing in my dominatrix outfit and provoking Richard with my appearance and humiliating behaviour.
A really good example is this: generally when I “dress up”, Richard interprets this as meaning I’m going to mistreat him. He gets conspicuously
excited and nervous - usually with good reason! But sometimes I just dress up and do absolutely nothing. A day spent like that, with me in my high heels and sexy costume, and my son walking on eggshells I’m frustrated anticipation, can be perhaps the most tantalising of all - particularly since my rule is that he can’t speak without permission when I’m in costume.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 13:06:01 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Well, given the context yes there weren't really that many hints. But not much pointed towards teacher either. But I think it's quite interesting. As I said, I fantasized about teachers, too.
I bet the guy you had to laugh at was probably feeling pretty humiliated, but your actual reason for it sounded pretty benign, maybe even good. I mean you weren't laughing at him, but because you felt funny that it was you who provoked that reaction.
It must feel great that you finally have the chance to live this out and exploring your true self. Also it sounds quite fun that you can dress up like that. I bet it's a super sexy outfit.
The rule that he must not speak sounds interesting. Are there more rules like that?
P.S.: If you want to, I could also mail you, if you want to.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 15:09:38 03/01/19 Fri [1]
I prefer to stay with this forum because it feels a bit like meeting in a public park....anonymous but open. Hope that’s ok with you. The internet is not something I am very comfortable with in general. That’s showing my age, isn’t it?
I do feel sexy when I’m in one of my “special” outfits. I’m still slim and pretty fit despite my age thanks to yoga, despite my grey hair.
My style of dress is long boots with high heels, black tights (sheer or fishnet) and a black bodysuit (of which I have several). It’s a flattering look for me because my legs are the part of my appearance I am most confident about).
The no speaking rule is Rule 3 of ten that I set up when Richard moved in and agreed to be my slave. I can list them all if you want?
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 15:24:35 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Staying here is perfectly fine, I kind of understand what you mean. My idea was just to speed things up message wise a little.
Staying healthy and fit is important, glad you still got it going. From what I read from you, you must be quite attractive, basically a "MILF".
Your outfit sounds very ho, too. At least I'd love every part of that. Especially the leg part.
Yes, I'd love to hear some if not all of the other rules. And maybe even what happens if he breaks them. I hope I don't come across as pushy though.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 16:05:56 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Not pushy, Steve. Just typically eager, like Richard ha ha.
The rules are as follows:
1. Richard is always to obey his Mummy and call her Mistress.
2. He will always be naked at home. His penis must ALWAYS be stiff.
3. When Mummy wears her high heels he may not speak without permission and then only to answer her questions.
4. He must ask permission to use the toilet. If Mummy is in her heels he can ask by hopping up and down. If he is tied up he will just have to wait.
5. Mummy will use bondage to punish Richard for any wrongdoing.
6. Mummy may also tie Richard up just because she’s feeling cruel.
7. If Richard ejaculates he will get his penis spanked with a ruler.
8. Mummy may also spank his penis for fun.
9. Richard will keep a diary every day of his sexual thoughts. Mummy will read it when she feels like it and may discuss the contents.
10. Mummy may add to or change these rules any time. What will never change is that Richard is her property from now on and has no rights.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 16:14:08 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Now that's quite a set of rules!
I think especially 2. can be difficult, I mean being always stiff...
4. Is pretty humiliating, too. Do you enjoy denying him that, too?
The diary is a super nice idea. I think that way, you know exactly what's up his mind :)
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 16:42:25 03/01/19 Fri [1]
He isn’t always stiff, but if he isn’t he has to pay the price.
As for rule 4, I have the key to the toilet door so he has to ask to get in and get out. I do sometimes make him wait, it’s fun to watch him getting desperate and also fun sometimes just to “forget” to let him out and listen to him knocking and pathetically calling “Mistress!” - quietly, because he knows shouting would earn him serious punishment. The toilet he uses is a really small space btw it’s not the main bathroom.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 17:31:30 03/01/19 Fri [1]
Oh and the diary is VERY useful....!
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 01:21:28 03/02/19 Sat [1]
So how do you usually punish him, if he disobeys?
Like if he talked while you were wearing heels.
I just had the nice idea that you could make him do something humiliating if he wants access to the toilet. In his desperation he will probably do it.
Also, what was the most interesting or unexpected thing you found in his diary?
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 01:51:57 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Sometimes he imagines what it would be like if we could be open about our relationship. On one occasion he wrote a very entertaining story in which I took him for a walk in public, naked bondage, on a collar and lead, with him wearing only a baby bonnet and sucking a big dummy (the English word for a pacifier). He described being laughed at by women and young girls who asked me questions about why he was being punished. I told them it was because he was “a little masturbator”. The funniest part for me was him suddenly peeing in front of some teenage girls and then bursting into tears as I apologised for his behaviour and promised to give his penis a sound thrashing when I got him home.
You asked what was the most unexpected thing, and I suppose the part about the baby accessories and not being able to stop himself peeing in front of girls would have to be it. That showed a whole new level of humiliation. Even more unexpected was how much that episode turned me on! After reading that, I had to go and have some discreet time by myself re-imagining it if you know what I mean...
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 02:02:31 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Most punishments are long periods in bondage - putting him in humiliating and uncomfortable positions that are going to get worse over time, like being hogtied or having his genitals tied to something so they get tugged when he has to adjust his position. I like leaving him in a predicament like that and going about my business: for example going to my yoga class and all the time secretly knowing he’s struggling away....
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 02:14:14 03/02/19 Sat [1]
One very mean thing I did was put him out on the back patio one night when it was raining and very cold. He had to stand in one spot with his hand tied. My sitting room overlooks the patio so I was curled up in the warm drinking a glass of wine as he watched me and shivered. He looked SO funny and miserable!
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Re: Chastity -- Dave to Celia, 06:56:41 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Definitely some interesting things you do. E-mail me if you would like to hear how my stepmom treated me-nothing as extreme as what you do, but maybe interesting to you none the less.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 09:51:05 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Sorry - I’m not keen on emailing, as I said before.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia (To Steve), 16:58:41 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Looking forward to your response
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 17:20:56 03/02/19 Sat [1]
>Looking forward to your response
HI, sorry for the delayed reply.
The things he wrote into his diary sound pretty interesting. Maybe you should try to include some of the stuff.
For the peeing part, I'd have two quick ideas;
1) when he has to pee you get him completely naked except for his collar and leash. Then, instead of leading him to your bathroom, take him to your backyard, on all fours of course. There have him go like a dog, raising one leg and everything.
2) if he loves baby stuff so much, maybe you should get him a small potty, to use instead of the actual toilet. Of course you could also alter his dress code, to include some more babyish stuff, even nappies.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 17:38:00 03/02/19 Sat [1]
Oh, I do like the idea of taking him out to the garden on all fours! No need to “get him naked” though - he’s always naked at home. But maybe I should buy him that collar and lead. He can wear the collar full time and I’ll just fix the lead for garden visits. Come to think of it, if the lead is somewhere accessible he could fetch it in his mouth to show he needs to pee.
Not so keen on infantilising him too much, though. A dummy would be ok sometimes (e.g. for corner time), but nappies don’t appeal. I already keep him hairless, incidentally. That’s far enough down that road for my liking.
Maybe I ought to say also that lots of the time life at home is fairly normal. I have told you the most extreme and sexy parts. On a day to day basis I wear regular clothes, and although he’s naked, Richard acts just like a live-in housekeeper. And many evenings we just watch TV together and so on ( although often his hands are tied, just because it pleases me to have him like that).
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 17:47:28 03/02/19 Sat [1]
There’s something I have been meaning to say to you by the way. A while back you described me as “MILF”, and I didn’t know that term so I looked it up. That is rather impertinent of you, don’t you think? If you really did have a dominant mother I think I should be calling her to suggest she take you in hand for that kind of language!
(only joking of course.)
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 00:10:49 03/03/19 Sun [1]
If you want to get further into this dog play aspect, there are also cute little dog tails which attach to a plug, so he'd be able to wear them, even without any other clothing.
I'm really sorry, I didn't intend to use foul language or even insult you. When I wrote it, I just thought about its meaning in the way that you are a really attractive, sexy, lady, not about its crude literal meaning.
Would you actually call her, if she was a domme, too? What would you suggest for this kind of misbehavior?
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 02:32:35 03/03/19 Sun [1]
I was only teasing you Steve, I wasn’t really offended. I suppose I was just surprised you would employ an expression that implies a wish to have sexual intercourse. From our discussions I have an impression of you that you probably wouldn’t feel able to do that. And remember that in my view that’s a good thing! Anyway you have clarified it was just intended as a compliment which is sweet.
I can’t really answer your question of “what would I do if...?” I will set Richard a homework assignment on it though, if you like. I have lied to him about the nature of my discussion on here (which is why I don’t let him use the internet any more). He thinks I am talking to another woman like myself.
So I’ll ask him to write a story in which I have a dominant lady friend and phone her to complain that her son has been impertinent to me.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 03:10:49 03/03/19 Sun [1]
Hi Celia,
I'm glad I didn't offend you. To your impression of me not feeling able.. Well, it's partly true I guess,but there's a differences between wanting something and being able to do something. I think I do want intercourse in some way, but denial is also very appealing. Also, you can't really get denied of something you don't actually want.
Your homework idea sounds lovely. If you have fun making him do that, go ahead, I'm the last person to stop you.
Just a curious question, concerning the "dog play" again, what do you think of these:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/V5wAAOSwA3dYKvBu/s-l400.jpg
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 03:40:18 03/03/19 Sun [1]
It’s fine for you to want what you can’t have, Steve.
If I was to get a tail like that for Richard he would have to put it in for himself, I am not going to do that. The same goes for the locking one I want to buy eventually.
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 03:34:00 03/03/19 Sun [1]
As you’re interested in my style of dressing up, you can see actual items I wear online if you like. My favourites come from a company called Wolford
( wolford.co.uk ) - if you look them up, the bodysuit I mostly wear is called the Colorado, and I also have the Viscose Thong Body. I like them because of the high neckline. They cost a fortune but look so much better than cheaper equivalents. Wolford tights are also the best. I have the Twenties style (3 pairs) as well as Daphe and Henna Sparkle.
My boots are black leather knee length (not thigh boots) with high heels of course. I also have these on order:
https://www.yandy.com/Victorian-Sexy-Lace-Up-Knee-High-Boot.php
I like the idea of having Richard lace them for me and I think it will be entertaining to see if he can do it without shaking too much...!
As for my physical appearance I’m still quite slim, blue-green eyes and have mid-length silver-grey hair. I wear glasses these days too.
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Re: Chastity -- Steve, 04:22:02 03/03/19 Sun [1]
Hi Celia,
I just looked through all of the things you named there and have to say.. wow. They're all incredibly erotic to say the least. I think your rule of him having to stay hard all the time might not be that difficult after all.
I can understand you not wanting to touch that particular area of him, too and having him insert it instead.
But would you say, click the lock shut though? As a kind of symbolic act?
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 04:52:35 03/03/19 Sun [1]
I think I’d just send him upstairs with the equipment and tell him to come back down once he’s popped it in.
I’m glad you enjoyed looking at my choice of clothing. The plain mesh tights are best because if I’m dressed up and have an unexpected visitor, all I have to do is take off my boots before answering the door and make out I have been doing yoga. (There have been one or two incidents like that).
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Re: Chastity -- Celia, 10:30:35 03/03/19 Sun [1]
I have ordered that “tail”.
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