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Date Posted: 23:53:48 10/10/01 Wed
Author: Chazman
Subject: Even more from the peaceful Koran
In reply to: Rgeigo 's message, "Re: Forgive MGolfer, he is a Radical NG Fundamentalist" on 13:04:55 10/09/01 Tue

..Yes muslims, Christians, and Jews share origins, but what Muslims (all of them) say in their prayers EVERY day is

"there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet"

no matter what else they include in their prayers, that statement is in ALL of them. Doesn’t allow much room for religious tolerance, right?

Or what about this little love-note from the Koran?
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v.75:" They surely are infidels who say, "God is the third of three"; for there is but one God; and if they do not refrain from what they say, a severe punishment shall light on those who are unbelievers."
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And surely, they didn't mean anything bad by this...?
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v.51: Believers do not take Jews or Christians as friends they are but one another's friends. If anyone of you takes them for his friends, then he is surely one of them. God will not guide evildoers."

v.56_64: O Believers, do not take as your friends the infidels or those who received the Scriptures before you [Jews and Christians] and who scoff and jest at your religion, but fear God if you are believers. Nor those who when you call them to prayer, make it an object of mirth and derision This is only because they are a people who do not understand. Say: "People of the Book: isn't it true that you hate us simply because we believe in God, and in what He has sent down to us, and in what He has revealed to others before; and because most of you are evil doers?" "Why don't their rabbis and doctors of lax forbid them from uttering sinful words and eating unlawful food? Evil indeed are their works. "The hand of God is chained up", claim the Jews. Their own hands shall be chained up -- and they shall be cursed for saying such a thing."
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Yes, Muhammad knew that the Jews had received
"the scriptures". See what he said about it?
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ix.29,30:"Declare war upon those to whom the Scriptures were revealed but believe neither in God nor the Last Day, and who do not forbid that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who refuse to acknowledge the true religion [Islam] until they pay the poll-tax without reservation and are totally subjugated. "The Jews claim that Ezra is a Son of God, and the Christians say, "the Messiah is a Son of God. "Those are their claims, which do indeed resemble the sayings of the Infidels of Old. May God do battle with them! How they are deluded!"
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And this?
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ii.61:"Wretchedness and baseness were stamped upon them [That is the Jews] and they drew on themselves the wrath of God. This was because they [the Jews] disbelieved the signs of God and slew the Prophets unjustly, and because they rebelled and transgressed."

iv.160,161: Because of the wickedness of certain Jews, and because they turn many from the way of God, We have forbidden them good and wholesome foods which were formerly allowed them; and because they have taken to usury, though they were forbidden it; and have cheated others of their possessions, We have prepared a grievous punishment for the Infidels amongst them."
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is that precise enough?
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I know you're only trying to be fair, Europe, but like most westerners, including many of our own US leaders, you underestimate the malice toward anything non-Islamic that is part of the over-all education of any good Muslim child.
does that mean ALL Islamic are bad?
Emphatically no!
but does it mean Islam itself is a danger to western civilization?
just as emphatically yes!
to be precise, that is.....

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