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Date Posted: 06:46:02 04/21/01 Sat
Author: Cheese
Subject: Re: "The sort of human being we are dealing with" Here's the answer!
In reply to: Chazman 's message, "Re: "The sort of human being we are dealing with" Here's the answer!" on 13:03:18 04/19/01 Thu

>>>Joined the Marines
>>
>>Like Tim McVey. He blows up federal buildings and you
>>blow your mouth.
>>
>In your castigation of the Marine Corps. you forgot
>Lee Harvey Oswald! You also forgot the thousands that
>died during the history of the Corps so you could have
>the freedom to foul the air with the flatuance that
>comes out of your mouth.

Not surprisingly, you just don't get it and missed the whole point of the message.

I did not "castigate" the Marine Corps. My point was that just because one belongs to an organization, almost any organization, one can not use that to attempt to show that they are of any particular moral character or deserve any special consideration as to the truth, fact, intelligence, or correctness of what they say. Saying you belong to any of the organizations that you did is something that, perhaps, you should be proud of on a personal level because you attained that membership or rank, but it has nothing to do with showing much of anything about your own character, veracity, etc. In short, there are nice guys and assholes in every orginization. Unfortunately, you seem to belong to the later group.

>>I guess you joined just in time to beat up the
>>citizens and students protesting the war, huh. Was
>>that you swinging your nightstick in the TV news
>>footage we all saw and were ashamed of?
>>
>I and about 150 million other Americans weren't
>ashamed of it, the hippies got what they were asking
>for. What's the matter did the evident brain damage
>you have come from that??

What they were asking for? Give me a break! Again, you show your intollerance for other people's opinions and ignorance just as you do here on the forum. As a cop maybe it was your duty to follow orders and do as you did. As a person, believing that what you did was right when history and 95% of the country now believes the actions of the cops was wrong and disgraceful shows you live in some kind of fantasy world that doesn't allow you to admit it when you are wrong.


>>And now there are so many false convictions being
>>challenged with DNA evidence in IL and particularly
>>the Chicago area that the Governor has put the death
>>penalty on hold.
>
>If you had any knowledge of the facts of these cases,
>you would know that almost everyone of them had
>civilian witnesses that had identified and testified
>against those that were convicted. Either they were
>lying themselves, or had mis-identified the offender,
>or in some cases (murder/rape) the convicted probably
>was one of the (multiple) offenders, but it
>specifically wasn't his DNA found, so this clouds the
>issue enough to let him off the hook even though in
>some cases he had confessed!

Again, you forget the most important and only real fact that should be considered. That is did you NOT do you job which was to find the REAL guilty person for the particular crime so that person coudl be prosecuted. The answer has been NO in many cases so far, and looks like many others are to follow. The best eye witness identification is shakey at best unless the witness knew the person prior to the actions the witness is testifying to. You should have considered that then, and in your present argument.

Many, many, many people have finally confessed to crimes they didn't commit under the stress of long interrogations. With the academic credentials you claim to have you should know that. Not admiting it and using that as an argument just further shows your inability to admit it when you are wrong, did not do your job, and took the easy way out.

You twist the facts, too. DNA NOT found is not getting people off. DNA found that doesn't match those covicted IS what is finally releasing those you helped to wrongfully convict. You are such an idiot, bigot, and iconoclast that you can't even admit your errors when the facts hit you squarely in the face. You live in your own little bizarro world. Some day maybe you will see how much of an ass you appear to be to others, but I doubt it.

>Graft, bribes and corruption are pretty much a thing
>of the past in most large police depts.

Yeah. Right. And the Easter Bunny exists and lays eggs, too. There are more cops being tried now for their corruption and other wrong doings then any other time in the history of the US, and police misconduct and racism are more in question now and being investigated more than ever before. Read the papers and wake up.

Nothing you said in your history should give you any claim on being better than anyone else on the forum, or have anything to do with if your facts are right or that you should be considered any type of type of authority. They also don't show at all "what type of person we are dealing with" as was the subject of the message. Again, there are nice guys and assholes in every organization. You message was just self-serving examples of organizations you've joind. My pointing out of the failings of other members of those organizations showed your belonging to them was not something that should elevate you to any particular higher status then anyone else.

Your post does show that you get your own evaluation of your self worth by identifying with organizations rather than making a true self evaluation of your real character, morals, and abilities. In psychology, it is the "I haven't done anything great with my own life, but look at the groups I'm in" false argument and mis-justification of worthiness people often use when they really don't think much of themselves or feel they have been a failure on a personal level.

So, leave out organizations and groups, and tell us ALL the things you are, or should be, proud of that you have done in your life. Things that should make your opinion count more than others here on the forum.

>Now Cheese, why don't you enlighten us with all of
>your vast accomplishments?

You couldn't handle them.

*Behold the Power of Cheese*

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