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Date Posted: 10:24:30 11/17/01 Sat
Author: Chazman
Subject: Playing upright & actual lie angle are two different things
In reply to: Ty 's message, "Not exactly" on 01:28:48 11/17/01 Sat

When a clubhead lie angle is checkd, it is measured on a loft and lie machine of the clubhead alone, the shaft has no bearing at all during this measurement. Although if the shaft is longer then normal it will cause the lie angle to be more upright.

Golf Tips magazine does a yearly critique of all the irons on the market, using a 5 iron from each of the manufacturers as an example of the specs of those clubs.

The NG clubs they tested all had standard lofts and lie angles and in fact the lie angle was one or two degrees flatter then some of the other manufacturers such as Wilson and Adams.

Additonally if you check the archives on this board from about 8 or 9 months ago you will find a poster named Warren who was a clubmaker, he checked out the lofts, lies and shaft lengths on three sets of NG clubs, two he had purchased.

The first set, D2s, was basicaly standard but the clubs were mismatched having some of the lie angles off as much as 2 degrees from what they were supposed to be from the next progressive iron. The swing weights were completely off, some clubs being a C8 and others all the way up to D4, in other words the clubs were shabbily built.

He further checked out a set of P3s and found that the swing weights and shaft lengths has serious problems on them too.

NG to their credit did send him a free set of Pipeline 450s and initially he was pleased with these, the specs were all within parameters, that is until the head of the six iron came flying off when he was teeing off on a par three and hit one of his buddies in the ear causing stitches.

Needless to say that was the end of his experimentation with NG clubs.

NG does seem to have recurring problems with quality control, especially with their iron sets, their fairway woods and drivers on the other hand are excellent.

As for their putters, I have a "Thing" mallet in my bag, and it is staying there!

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