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Date Posted: 22:35:29 04/20/03 Sun
Author: Ramfan
Subject: Re: Keep in mind.Ramfan
In reply to: Ramfan 's message, "Re: Keep in mind.Ramfan" on 22:31:44 04/20/03 Sun

Alright, I've had enough playtime here. You can't even put together a coherent argument, just keep tossing around rumor, innuendo, and opinions. This is a waste of time. Patch and I actually had some sort of a dialogue going. This is just buffoonery.

I am very skeptical that you are an Albany grad. You could sure use a grammar class, because some of the stuff you've written is practically unreadable.

> Again, no facts, just opinion. Where are the
>conference RPI's for both conferences over the last
>couple of years? Where are some facts to back up your
>argument?
>
>>> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra
>>stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams.
>>Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS.
>>Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> AE loses Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra, and Towson and cellar dwellar Vermont wins. That should tell you something. This is a new AE and is a marginal league at BEst!!!

Again, no facts, just opinion. Where are the
>conference RPI's for both conferences over the last
>couple of years? Where are some facts to back up your
>argument?
>
>>> MAAC is a better league then the Colonial! Hofstra
>>stinks! UMASS and Fordham are lousy A-10 teams.
>>Northeastern beat Fordham and Lafayette beat UMASS.
>>Jordan has a shot to be the best guard in the AE!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this Manhattan team very well, and I saw them
>>>a number of times last year. Colonial to MAAC is a
>>>lateral move in terms of conference, not a step up.
>>>Jackette played three years for the Jaspers, and
>never
>>>really had the impact he might have been projected to
>>>have. You're only taking his stats from one year; I'm
>>>talking about his performance during all three years,
>>>including his sophomore year, when Manhattan wasn't
>>>nearly as good as they are now. For my money, the CAA
>>>is probably a better conference than the MAAC. I
>think
>>>calling going from the Colonial to the MAAC a lateral
>>>move is very accurate.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: His stats, playing for a very bad
>>>team(bottom 30 nationally), were probably inflated.
>>>Which is why the Jackette example is valid. I'm not
>>>saying Jackette would or should have been a 20 point
>>>scorer from Manhattan, but he came from a very bad
>>>team, and his stats were a bit inflated because of
>>>that.
>>>
>>> As far as being wanted by mid-major teams, I would
>>>probably agree. However, I am skeptical that UMass
>>>would want him, and am even skeptical that Fordham or
>>>Hofstra made serious overtures. I haven't seen or
>>>heard proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jackette is a poor example William & Mary to
>>Manhattan
>>>>is a big step up. (MAAC RPI 16 CAA RPI 18.)Went from
>>a
>>>>weak CAA team to a very strong MAAC team, only
>played
>>>>17 games and started 8 and also played with a 24.6
>pt
>>>>scorer.
>>>>
>>>>Jordan is a quality player who is better
>>>>physically(6'2" & 200lbs) than most AE guards. He
>>>>would be wanted by many Mid-Major teams.
>>>>
>>>>How he will play in the AE we have to wait another
>>>>year. The backcourt of Jamar Wilson and Jordan for 2
>>>>years is atleast - very promising.
>>>>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>>>entirety
>>>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>>>impact some might have expected based on the
>numbers
>>>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>>>have
>>>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who
>>could
>>>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>>>Jordan
>>>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is
>even
>>>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>>>
>>>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because
>>a
>>>>>prospect says these schools were interested does
>NOT
>>>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>>>scene,
>>>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board
>>is
>>>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>>>offer.
>>>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt
>at
>>>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>>>Hartford.
>>>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS,
>>Fordham,
>>>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>>>he
>>>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>>>All
>>>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because
>>he
>>>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only
>>won
>>>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>>>AE!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>>>Let's
>>>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>>>not
>>>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>>>example:
>>>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and
>>Mary
>>>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>>>transferred
>>>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on
>>a
>>>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>>>addition,
>>>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>>>decided
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>>>year
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>>>ROOKIE
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact!
>>ALL
>>>>>AE
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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