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Date Posted: 11:11:26 04/29/03 Tue
Author: J.J.
Subject: Re: Future AE membership?
In reply to:
NU Hoop Fan
's message, "Re: Future AE membership?" on 10:16:38 04/29/03 Tue
>Central's Academic Standards (if you want to call them
>that) don't even belong in the same category at
>Binghamton or Albany. I'm not that familiar with
>Stony Brook, but I know that Binghamton's business
>school is very well regarded even in marketplaces like
>Boston. Albany's programs are equally as respected.
>
>Central's academics are a joke. I'm from CT, and I've
>got to think that I'd put it at a level below
>Quinnipiac and Sacred Heart, and even Hartford.
>
>In this day and age everyone's focusing on academics
>and athletics, and I don't think Central has a good
>combo. Also, I'm not sure how good their commitment
>to women's athletics is. Traditionally it hasn't been
>strong.
Obviously you’re a jackass, even if you are from CT. Stony Brook is a fine commuter college on L.I. primarily drawing student from the tri-state area. Binghamton and Albany are also fine state institutions of higher education, but no one outside the Northeast would even know what they are. They are SUNY schools, again great state institutions.
Undergraduate education has a primary purpose to prepare students for full time jobs or grad school. Although I won’t bore you or any one else on this board with the details, Central does as well as any other mid-size public university in the country for an undergraduate education(and for much less $). In addition its education program and buisness school and also well respected in the region. Private schools like Quinn and SHU are diploma factories, making money hand over fist. And as for women’s athletics, the CCSU soccer team made the NCAAs this year and recently a US News & World Report article on Title IX listed Central as one of the top schools in the country for commitment to women’s athletics.
Its to bad NU hasn’t prepared you as well as Central could have. You appear arrogant and more importantly ignorant about both sports and academics. Good thing I won’t judge an NU education by your results, otherwise I’d send my kids to a good community college before bought a NU degree.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- J.J., 11:22:50 04/29/03 Tue
UNH - you make a fine point and that is something Central is trying hard to overcome. Clearly having UConn in your backyard makes it more difficult for us than any other comparable public school in New England. I recently spoke with the CCSU Alumni director who said that since Central had raise SAT score for acceptance, she had got more than calls from alumni trying to get their childeren into Central. As most CT residents know that kinda of stuff was unheard of, so progress has been made and I hope it continues.
My thoughts on Quinn mirror yours as I indicated in my last message to NU. It is an overpriced dipolma factory. So I think its fair to say academics are important, I just thought in my opinion the UMBC, SUNY, Central comparisons are generally fair.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- UNH_Alum_In_CT, 11:59:48 04/29/03 Tue
>UNH - you make a fine point and that is something
>Central is trying hard to overcome. Clearly having
>UConn in your backyard makes it more difficult for us
>than any other comparable public school in New
>England. I recently spoke with the CCSU Alumni
>director who said that since Central had raise SAT
>score for acceptance, she had got more than calls
>from alumni trying to get their childeren into
>Central. As most CT residents know that kinda of
>stuff was unheard of, so progress has been made and I
>hope it continues.
>
>My thoughts on Quinn mirror yours as I indicated in my
>last message to NU. It is an overpriced dipolma
>factory. So I think its fair to say academics are
>important, I just thought in my opinion the UMBC,
>SUNY, Central comparisons are generally fair.
Believe me, for selfish purposes, I wish Central was in the AE -- another game every year in my back yard!! One I could attend every year even if it was on a week night! And you'd be a great travel partner with U of H. And I think your rivalry with the Hawks could be as intense as any in the league. It would make the Hartford Civic Center (with curtains) a great location for our tourney due to the central location.
Who knows where everything leads in the next five years. Hartford has always been happier with the academic philosophy of the AE than with leagues with other private institutions (as LSBAL has explained to us), but who knows about the future. NU could be going to the CAA in three years. Leagues could rearrange with football as a common denominator. That is why I asked about CCSU football because I don't think they are comparable to football in the A-10 and specifically Maine, UNH and NU.
I agree that from facilities I've seen, you guys are comparable to AE schools. And in recent years your basketball attendance has been better than most AE schools. Of course, it should be as you have a gazillion alumni to draw upon in the Greater Hartford area and you've won the NEC. BTW, that's a huge advantage you have over Hartford. And I feel your pain as that UConn shadow is immense. There are similarities at BU, NU, Maine, UVM and UNH with the shadow of their hockey programs which play at the highest level of D-1. And I see your dilemna as a public institution in the NEC where the majority are private schools.
JMHO, I think there will be opportunities in coming years with significant conference transitions, Central might be able to take advantage of them.
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Re: Future AE membership? -- J.J., 13:44:33 04/29/03 Tue
Your insight is appriciated and I couldn't agree with you more. I think football is the biggest sticking point in any conference affiliation discussion. Central does not compare (or really even come clsose)to UNH, UMass, or Maine in football (just check out the scores). But we have been willing to play them (at least they have let us play them) and I think that's a step in the right direction. BU has recently dropped football, UMBC doesn't have a team, and Stony Brook and Albany are football members of the NEC. How does this football dynamic impact membership? And what really is the direction of the AE in the future?
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Re: Future AE membership? -- UNH_Alum_In_CT, 14:36:10 04/29/03 Tue
>Your insight is appriciated and I couldn't agree with
>you more. I think football is the biggest sticking
>point in any conference affiliation discussion.
>Central does not compare (or really even come
>clsose)to UNH, UMass, or Maine in football (just check
>out the scores). But we have been willing to play them
>(at least they have let us play them) and I think
>that's a step in the right direction. BU has recently
>dropped football, UMBC doesn't have a team, and Stony
>Brook and Albany are football members of the NEC. How
>does this football dynamic impact membership? And
>what really is the direction of the AE in the future?
I think the impact is that schools naturally try to form "all sports" leagues. That is what is starting to happen in the Big East and C-USA. I've already read in the Hartford media calls to drop Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Villanova and Georgetown from the Big East because they don't play 1-A football. Temple already bounced from the BE will probably try to find a league with 1-A football and leave the A-10. There is a similar riff in the C-USA between football and non-football schools. I think it is only natural that a similar process is likely to occur at the 1-AA scholarship level. It isn't unhappiness with the AE as much as it is to interact with the same set of schools in football as well as all your other sports. I'm only an alum and a fan so I have no idea what the AE's direction is going to be. I don't know if 1-AA football will always have a separate league similar to 1-A hockey. The dynamic will be whether realignment to have "all sports" conferences occurs or not. I don't know if the AE is taking a proactive role in this process.
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