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Date Posted: 16:24:01 04/29/03 Tue
Author: Dane96
Subject: JJ get your facts straight before you speak
In reply to: NU Hoop Fan 's message, "Re: Future AE membership?" on 10:16:38 04/29/03 Tue

JJ, i dont defend NU Hoop fan often, but you my friend...are the jackass, not NU HOOP FAN (though we regularly disagree).

Stony Brook IS NOT A COMMUTER SCHOOL...you are such a fool its amazing. They have probably...i dont know, half the kids living on campus. The others live in off campus housing. HOFSTRA is more of a commuter school.

. "Binghamton and Albany are also fine state institutions of higher education, but no one outside the Northeast would even know what they are. They are SUNY schools, again great state institutions."

Amazingly Bingamton is a nationally ranked liberal arts institution. Oh yeah...UA, Top 20 education school, Top 15 Public Administration, Top 5 Criminal Justice (w/ NU), Top 10 Social Welfare, great business school that all the accounting firms regularly donate money too (OH, BTW, the highest CPA first time passage rate in NEW YORK comes from UA's business school), over 80% of its students go on to a post-graduate degree (that was based on the last figures the school released!), the national weatherservice East Coast research institute, the number one ranked Nanotechnology center in the east coast, partnering w/ Stanford, CIT, MIT and RPI. Shall I continue, or shall I stop.

KNOW YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SPEW!

Oh yeah...on a final note. UA and SBU are Class IV Carnegie Research institutes...the highest national class you can be in. About the only thing UA and SBU trail MSU, Michigan, etc. is w/ our endowments. UA has kicked off a 500 million capital campaign to increase the endowment from 14 mill to 500 mill in 2008.Excitingly, 8 million is earmarked for ATHLETICS! 'Nuff said! And yes...people even in Montana know UA...why...we actually have a good football team that travels! I do commend you guys for stepping up and playing UNH and Maine though! Which indicates CCSU is looking at possibly going scholarship IAA.

As for your football questions...UA and SBU are moving on up. Your tiny field (yes I have been to the new field) is not capable of making the transition up (though i never understood w/ all that space...why they didnt build a bigger field! If CCSU wants to seriously consider a big move...football is going to be a factor in making it attractive to a non-AE or possible future revamped AE. SBU put a 8000 seat beauty of a stadium up. UA just gave a prioritized list to the state including in order: a new practice facility, a new 8 lane track and artificial turf field, and a 15000-20000 seat football stadium. Not exactly the requests for a team who is staying in the NEC or at non-scholarship levels of football. We both play at non-scholarship football levels, but there is a world of difference between UA and CCSU on the field. BTW...non-scholly is a dying breed. The MAAC will fold by next year w/ the exception of Duquense who is either joining the NEC in football or the A-10.

So, point is...people A) know SBU, UA and Binghamton B) we are national research and medical schools (something CCSU is not), B) CCSU is comparable to ONEONTA, OSWEGO, etc...GENESEO is much better than CCSU academically, C) There is a much larger commitment on the part of the SUNY's to balance sports and academics...hence the dollars spent and trying to be raised.

CCSU is not comparable to the SUNY's in overall athletics (You do have a wonderful basketball program and coach.)

Just think before you speak.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: JJ get your facts straight before you speak -- alumni "92", 15:48:31 05/02/03 Fri

great argument Dane96 ... impressive effort

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Don't assume just read. -- J.J., 17:58:28 04/29/03 Tue

I just don't see what you read to make you (or anyone else on this board) think that I was putting any school down, nor did I state Central was the second coming of Yale. I never once said anything bad about the SUNY (or any other schools). You just appear to have an inforeity complex (and a small penis too?). I guess I just shouldn�t have mentioned little Central in the same sentence as yours. Please! My quotes and info is accurate.

Bing is a great school. According to the website Bing draws 91% of its first year undergrad students from NY state. Great! Stony Brook is a former teachers college. Great!

Hears the real story. Since I began the discussion about AE membership and athletic competition, I suggested that CCSU would be a good fit in the league. Comments were made regarding Centrals� academics. While I agreed CCSU would most likely sit at the bottom of the AE in that category, I didn�t think we were as bad as some people commented. I�d just like to know who�s there right now? How does everyone reading this rank the AE schools in academics currently? Does the conference have such parity that everyone is equal? That�s like saying Dartmouth doesn�t belong in the Ivy, because they�re not up to Yale standards? That is obsured!

I was merely stating that regarding undergraduate standards, to which nearly all student athletes are, Central is not that far off the current AE cellar dweller in academics. Hence it is not out of the world to believe they could join the conference considering other factors, such as geography, facilities, enrollment, school name (that seems to be a import issue for you all, e.g. UMBC), and athletics.

I congratulate you school on such a fine postgraduate studies program and for being a great research institution. But that was never the point. Not once did I state Central was a research institution (or even that they had a great graduate program for that matter). What was I said was that is one of the finer undergraduate universities in the region. Check the website http://www.ccsu.edu/CCSUnews/pointsofpride.htm so I won�t bore anyone with stupid shit like that.

I thank you for the few complements you did give. Yes non-scholarship football is on the way out and CCSU has come to the crossroads. But as you know the new coach (formerly HC at Ball State) has scheduled the team up (now we just need some wins). Dickeman has developed the most successful team in NE (minus UConn and HC) in the past few years. And the baseball team headed by the former Providence coach is looking forward. Furthermore as recently as last season, Central had two alumni as Head Coaches in the NFL at two of the most prestigious teams (Green Bay and Dallas). We know that they didn�t get there because of our football program. They got there because of the education they received at Central.

So next time anyone wants to pull out their dick to see who�s the biggest don�t forget to look down so you don�t ruin your shoes.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Don't assume just read.-You should get hooked on phonics -- Dane96, 18:31:43 04/29/03 Tue

For one, you said Central was comparable to the SUNY's...wrong. CCSU is not comparable to any school in the conference. A Binghamton fan has posted the facts and so did I (as did others.) Second, your run on sentences are definately the product of a bad writing course. Third, SBU was not a teachers college, UA was the "STATE TEACHERS COLLEGE" until, I believe, 1962 when it was designated a UNIVERSITY CENTER.

Once again poor facts equate to a poor argument and more of a reason to doubt the educational standards of CCSU.
How you equate a non-research university which is not recognized for liberal arts on a grandscale, w/ those of the other AE conference members, is quite honestly amazing. The facts are this: all the schools (w/ the exception of BU, NU, and Hartford) are very similar. Moreover, BU w/ the largest private endowment outside of Harvard and it's nationally acclaimed programs and schools, more than match that of the AE teams. Same is true of NU who has worked hard to shed a persona of a commuter school, in a bad area, w/o research. They are definately on pace w/ the other schools. Hartford, as noted, may be the loan exception to the rule, but they are old guard and do nothing to bring the conference down. Sure, could CCSU join, YES! But would they bring anything to the table...NO. THAT's what each of us has been arguing. UMBC brings academic excellance (they have now moved passed UM College Park in SAT scores and average GPA) and athletics (baseball, lax immediately!).

Bring me an argument on how you compare to UMBC...then we will talk!

LOL, those alumns from CCSU in the NFL you talk of...both started their careers at UA. Ask them both...since I know who you are referring to (hmmm...Dave Campo...OLINE COACH AT UA), who they credit there careers to. They will all answer BOB FORD, and not their playing days at CCSU...nor education for that matter! Once again, come up w/ a better argument...though I wish CCSU the best.

Oh yeah about penis sizes, since you (in bad taste) brought it up, I wouldn't know becuase that's not my thing. But you must have a large one since that's the only reason I can imagine a smart girl from BINGHAMTON dating such a knucklehead like yourself. And while on this board, J.J, try to keep it clean. We all argue at times, but we dont compare anatomy.

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