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Date Posted: 21:27:26 04/10/03 Thu
Author: Urban Barrister
Subject: Re: THE SUNY's for those who wish to be informed -- For what it's worth
In reply to: Dane86 's message, "Re: THE SUNY's for those who wish to be informed" on 20:38:03 04/10/03 Thu

>Thank you Urban Barrister. At least you can admit the
>time when it was talked about. That was the
>contention. Bingo Booster came out of left field w/
>ill conceived facts...thats why I went off.
>
>And for the record...i think that BINGU would host a
>wonderful tournament...but I think the location is
>terrible. It just truly alienates fans...and its
>supposed to be a fun weekend...not just for the
>locals. Thats what this is about. Money unfortunately
>clouds our league president...hence is previous
>failures in the NEC. Notice how they are succeeding
>w/o him now!
>
>One clarification. SBU and ALBANY were NOT ELIGIBLE
>for the Sears Directors Cup as they had DI athletes in
>the program at the time and were not eligible for the
>conference tournaments which would have sent an
>automatic champion to the DII playoffs. WE actually
>played in the ECAC that year and lost to Merrimack. So
>your facts are just slightly off. But yes...you guys
>did well that year.

I take your word for it on the eligibility of SBU and Albany -- though I suspect we had a better year than them just comparing regular season stats.

As for the whole DIII to DI process, for what it's worth -- and to further back you up on your timeline -- the IAB was actually formed at Bing in '91-'92. (I know b/c I was a student member.) However, its primary purpose wasn't to consider (at least seriously) moving up to DI. Rather, up until that point, all AD funds were allocated by the student government, which meant that the AD and his staff had to show up at a student government budget meeting each year and essentially beg for money. It was truly ridiculous, and makes our past success as a DIII program all the more impressive in my opinion.

So, the IAB's first goal was simply to get direct funding for the Ath. Dept., which they did by imposing an athletic fee, thanks in large part to the strong leadership of our current Prez and AD, who had just recently been appointed at the time. From there, the master plan was conceived to move up to DI, though I don't believe anyone realistically expected that it'd happen as quickly as it did. Personally, I figured we'd be in DII for at least a few years more before moving up to DI, but I suspect the decision by Hofstra and co to leave the AE (Speaking of bad leadership!) created the perfect scenario for us to make the final move quicker than anticipated.

Anyhow, that's a little background for you.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: THE SUNY's for those who wish to be informed -- For what it's worth -- Dane96, 23:08:42 04/10/03 Thu

>I take your word for it on the eligibility of SBU and
>Albany -- though I suspect we had a better year than
>them just comparing regular season stats.
>
>As for the whole DIII to DI process, for what it's
>worth -- and to further back you up on your timeline
>-- the IAB was actually formed at Bing in '91-'92. (I
>know b/c I was a student member.) However, its
>primary purpose wasn't to consider (at least
>seriously) moving up to DI. Rather, up until that
>point, all AD funds were allocated by the student
>government, which meant that the AD and his staff had
>to show up at a student government budget meeting each
>year and essentially beg for money. It was truly
>ridiculous, and makes our past success as a DIII
>program all the more impressive in my opinion.
>
>So, the IAB's first goal was simply to get direct
>funding for the Ath. Dept., which they did by imposing
>an athletic fee, thanks in large part to the strong
>leadership of our current Prez and AD, who had just
>recently been appointed at the time. From there, the
>master plan was conceived to move up to DI, though I
>don't believe anyone realistically expected that it'd
>happen as quickly as it did. Personally, I figured
>we'd be in DII for at least a few years more before
>moving up to DI, but I suspect the decision by Hofstra
>and co to leave the AE (Speaking of bad leadership!)
>created the perfect scenario for us to make the final
>move quicker than anticipated.
>
>Anyhow, that's a little background for you.

What a messed up system you guys had...and I thought UA's was bad when they put anti-sport faculty members on the board. All in all, the SUNY's are putting alot into this upgrade...and I forsee all three doing extremely well in the short run. ONe of the prime reasons Siena moved there home games from a packed ARC (about 4k at max) to the Pepsi...maybe 5-6k avg in a 15k arena, was because UA was moving up and they realized they were next to a sleeping giant w/ more potential than they can offer. While BingU does not put the scare into the 'Cuse, there is so much space and potential w/ the academics for it to grow...same w/ Hofstra whose main competitior is now going to be SJU and Hofstra.

Interesting how much of a pain in the ass it was for each of these schools to move up...maybe thats why we get more fired up than the "old guard".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: THE SUNY's for those who wish to be informed -- For what it's worth -- Urban Barrister, 13:09:07 04/11/03 Fri

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>>I take your word for it on the eligibility of SBU and
>>Albany -- though I suspect we had a better year than
>>them just comparing regular season stats.
>>
>>As for the whole DIII to DI process, for what it's
>>worth -- and to further back you up on your timeline
>>-- the IAB was actually formed at Bing in '91-'92. (I
>>know b/c I was a student member.) However, its
>>primary purpose wasn't to consider (at least
>>seriously) moving up to DI. Rather, up until that
>>point, all AD funds were allocated by the student
>>government, which meant that the AD and his staff had
>>to show up at a student government budget meeting each
>>year and essentially beg for money. It was truly
>>ridiculous, and makes our past success as a DIII
>>program all the more impressive in my opinion.
>>
>>So, the IAB's first goal was simply to get direct
>>funding for the Ath. Dept., which they did by imposing
>>an athletic fee, thanks in large part to the strong
>>leadership of our current Prez and AD, who had just
>>recently been appointed at the time. From there, the
>>master plan was conceived to move up to DI, though I
>>don't believe anyone realistically expected that it'd
>>happen as quickly as it did. Personally, I figured
>>we'd be in DII for at least a few years more before
>>moving up to DI, but I suspect the decision by Hofstra
>>and co to leave the AE (Speaking of bad leadership!)
>>created the perfect scenario for us to make the final
>>move quicker than anticipated.
>>
>>Anyhow, that's a little background for you.
>
>What a messed up system you guys had...and I thought
>UA's was bad when they put anti-sport faculty members
>on the board. All in all, the SUNY's are putting alot
>into this upgrade...and I forsee all three doing
>extremely well in the short run. ONe of the prime
>reasons Siena moved there home games from a packed ARC
>(about 4k at max) to the Pepsi...maybe 5-6k avg in a
>15k arena, was because UA was moving up and they
>realized they were next to a sleeping giant w/ more
>potential than they can offer. While BingU does not
>put the scare into the 'Cuse, there is so much space
>and potential w/ the academics for it to grow...same
>w/ Hofstra whose main competitior is now going to be
>SJU and Hofstra.
>
>Interesting how much of a pain in the ass it was for
>each of these schools to move up...maybe thats why we
>get more fired up than the "old guard".

Definitely. To be able to remember when our athletic program was little more than a glorified student organization certainly makes me appreciate how far we've come, and definitely explains why the negative comments directed toward the SUNYs get me going.

You guys definitely have the better situation in terms of the potential for community support -- Albany's a bigger city, and Siena is hardly on par with Syracuse (as much as they might argue otherwise). I can definitely see you guys becoming the number 1 team in town sooner rather than later, especially if you can manage to grab that at large bid in a couple of years when your freshman phenoms have a couple of years experience under their belts.

As for us, the War Memorial is no Pepsi Arena, and the shadow of Syracuse does loom larger over here, but I still think we'll be able to put together a strong DI program and get lots of community support within the next 5 years. If anything, a town like Bing should, in theory, be a great college town, since, as everyone was so quick to point out when discussing the tourney location, we're pretty much the only show in town.

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