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Date Posted: 20:59:25 04/20/03 Sun
Author: Ramfan
Subject: Re: Keep in mind..
In reply to: czar 's message, "Re: Keep in mind.." on 20:19:45 04/20/03 Sun

I don't care who offered him out of high school. I am just skeptical that any of those teams, or similar caliber teams, would make a play for him now. You have provided no proof of that to me that UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra would have taken him. They could have just called to inquire, for all I know. Inquires get taken as "offers" pretty often.

It remains to be seen whether or not he's better than the rest of the guards in the league. But there is a strong probability that his stats were inflated, playing for one of the bottom 30 teams in the country. That's common sense.

>> Jordan was offered by LaSalle, Duquesne, St. Bonnies
>and the entire MAAC out of HS! Parker could not have
>gone higher. He couldn't play at the school he was
>at! Jordan was successful at Loyola! He had a great
>frosh year. Loyola changed the way they played this
>year. Very slow down tempo. Everybody keyed on him
>because the rest of his team sucked! That's not his
>game the slow down tempo. Jackette was hurt both
>years. Get a clue! You can't name one AE guard whose
>better!
>
>
> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the entirety
>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>
>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions have
>>been well documented on this board.
>>
>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major. Jordan
>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>
>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting scene,
>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship offer.
>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>
>>
>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from Hartford.
>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF he
>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted All
>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>AE!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East. Let's
>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's not
>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>been
>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>example:
>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>transferred
>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>think
>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>
>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>have
>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>gaudy
>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>addition,
>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>vintage
>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>decided
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this year
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>and
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola in
>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL ROOKIE
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>AE
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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> You've obviously never seen the kid play!

I don't care who offered him out of high school. I
>am just skeptical that any of those teams, or similar
>caliber teams, would make a play for him now. You have
>provided no proof of that to me that UMass, Fordham,
>and Hofstra would have taken him. They could have just
>called to inquire, for all I know. Inquires get taken
>as "offers" pretty often.
>
> It remains to be seen whether or not he's better
>than the rest of the guards in the league. But there
>is a strong probability that his stats were inflated,
>playing for one of the bottom 30 teams in the country.
>That's common sense.
>
>
>>> Jordan was offered by LaSalle, Duquesne, St. Bonnies
>>and the entire MAAC out of HS! Parker could not have
>>gone higher. He couldn't play at the school he was
>>at! Jordan was successful at Loyola! He had a great
>>frosh year. Loyola changed the way they played this
>>year. Very slow down tempo. Everybody keyed on him
>>because the rest of his team sucked! That's not his
>>game the slow down tempo. Jackette was hurt both
>>years. Get a clue! You can't name one AE guard whose
>>better!
>>
>>
>> Jackette is not a poor example. While he has had
>>>injury problems, he has not been hurt for the
>entirety
>>>of his career at Manhattan. He just hasn't made the
>>>impact some might have expected based on the numbers
>>>he put up at William and Mary.
>>>
>>> Wilson averaged 20 points as a freshman. Jordan
>>>averaged 13 as a sophomore. Loyola had few scoring
>>>options, and leaned on him a lot. That doesn't mean
>>>he's not a nice pick-up; he's just not the second
>>>coming, like you are claiming. But your delusions
>have
>>>been well documented on this board.
>>>
>>> Parker was generally regarded as a player who could
>>>have played at a higher level than a mid-major.
>Jordan
>>>was not. He also came from a conference that is even
>>>better than the MAAC in the Horizon League.
>>>
>>> UMass, Fordham, and Hofstra offered? How do you
>>>know? Because the Times-Union said so? Just because a
>>>prospect says these schools were interested does NOT
>>>mean they actually offered him a scholarship. For
>>>someone who purports to be up on the recruiting
>scene,
>>>you should know this. A phone call to a player
>>>exploring the possibility of bringing him on board is
>>>a far cry from actually extending a scholarship
>offer.
>>>I don't believe UMass offered him, and I am very
>>>skeptical about the other two schools.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Jackette is a poor example. He has been hurt at
>>>>Manhattan both years. Look at Parker from
>Hartford.
>>>>Look at Jordan's HS record. Why did UMASS, Fordham,
>>>>and Hofstra all offer when he got his release? IF
>he
>>>>wasn't very talented he would not have been voted
>All
>>>>MAAC! Coaches vote and they vote for the best
>>>>players. I guess Jamar Wilson is a stiff because he
>>>>got 20ppg this year for Albany because they only won
>>>>7. What perimeter guy's in the AE are better?
>>>>Probably none and the MAAC is way better then the
>>>AE!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're not listening to what I am saying. Yes, the
>>>>>MAAC is a better league than the America East.
>Let's
>>>>>not make it out to be the Big East, though. It's
>not
>>>>>THAT much of a higher level.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am saying is Jordan's numbers could have
>>>been
>>>>>inflated by playing on a bad team. Here's an
>>example:
>>>>>when Justin Jackette was on a poor William and Mary
>>>>>team, he averaged 11 or 12 points. When he
>>>transferred
>>>>>to Manhattan, he probably only averaged 6 or 7 on a
>>>>>better team in a comparable league. So take these
>>>>>numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, I
>>>think
>>>>>Jordan is a nice pick-up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frosh year = All Rookie Team
>>>>>>Soph year = All MAAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MAAC is a much better league then the AE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That Jordan played on an awful team that didn't
>>have
>>>>>>>too many offensive threats, which explains the
>>>gaudy
>>>>>>>stats to some extent. I think it's a nice
>>addition,
>>>>>>>but let's not get crazy. But the hyperbole is
>>>>vintage
>>>>>>>Czar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Loyola, MD leading scorer Lucius Jordan has
>>>>decided
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>transfer to Albany. He averaged 14ppg this
>year
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>was 3rd Team All MAAC. He will sit next year
>>and
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>2 to play. He is 6'3 205. He has led Loyola
>in
>>>>>>>>>scoring both years at Loyola. He was ALL
>ROOKIE
>>>>as
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>Frosh. Great get and an immediate impact! ALL
>>>AE
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>two years without question.

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