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Subject: Re: to Zoe


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Karl (to Zoe)
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Date Posted: 07:24:44 02/17/26 Tue
In reply to: Zoe to Karl 's message, "Re: to Zoe" on 19:04:56 02/16/26 Mon

Glad to hear things have been working out well for you and your step-sisters and that even your step-dad seems to have come around to a saner outlook. I don't know what to say about your mother. From what you wrote before it seemed she was unwilling to acknowledge her own failings and blamed you as a scapegoat for everything.

Interesting that so many people are willing to be interviewed about spanking. But if you're looking for another, non-spanking, source for your treatise on violence, you could look into Bill Buford's 1993 book "Among the Thugs" which is about what he learned and experienced while hanging out with England's football hooligans. Of course "football" in England is what we call "soccer" in America. I haven't read it myself, but I had long thought it would be worth reading. Here's a blurb about the book:

"They have names like Barmy Bernie, Daft Donald, and Steamin' Sammy. They like lager (in huge quantities), the Queen, football clubs (especially Manchester United), and themselves. Their dislike encompasses the rest of the known universe, and England's soccer thugs express it in ways that range from mere vandalism to riots that terrorize entire cities. Now Bill Buford, editor of the prestigious journal Granta, enters this alternate society and records both its savageries and its sinister allure with the social imagination of a George Orwell and the raw personal engagement of a Hunter Thompson."

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