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>Yo, Lucas, > >>Hey Jerry, if you want to *really* make your Mom >>furious, you can let her know about the assumption I >>was making, as I was reading your explanation of all >>the details regarding the senior center and the >>services it provides.... >> >>.... I ended up making the assumption that your Mom >>got the speeding ticket because she was *on the way >>to* the senior center to get her not-quite-free lunch >>with all the other old fogies! > >Oh, god yes, That <i>would</i> make her furious >indeed, especially the "old fogies" comment. You have >to be 65 or older to partake in the senior citizen >program and mom is just half that and she has told me >many times not to ask a woman her age. This includes, >I have no doubt, mocking her about it. That leaves >unanswered, though, the question of why any kid would >want to make his mom furious, especially <i>at >him</i>. My butt is tingling just thinking about it. > >No thank you. >> >>Encouragement to keep out of it? Just spend some time >>looking at the big Lexan paddle with holes, and doing >>some imagining.... > >Oooh, yeah. That did it. Thanks. I can keep my lips >zipped now. >> >>Here in not-quite-metrified UK, they have gone with >>20mph for heavily residential areas, schoolzones >>during schoolzone times, etc. > >It's 25 in California for 2-lane city streets not >otherwise posted. For 3-lane city streets not posted >it's 35. Business districts, 35. There are other such >defaults and they all could have been on the drivers' >test. I am forgetting them already. Many (most?) >city streets <i>are</i> posted, usually 30 or 35. >Posted limits supersede all defaults. Other states >have their own laws and it sometimes makes it hard to >drive out of state. > ><And even that feels >>excruciatingly slow. > >Amen! > >>I have never seen a 15mph limit. > >My mom wishes she hadn't either. > >>Some private car parks post 5mph limits but everyone >>ignores them and I don't know if they're even >>enforceable. > >Same here and they're not enforceable. You can't even >get a ticket if you cause a crash. In fact, unless >there's a death involved, you can't get a cop to >respond to an accident on private property unless >there's some sort of assault involved. However, there >are several multi-level parking <i>structures</i> that >have a posted 5 MPH limit that everybody thinks is >necessary and obeys. When you come inside to a >stygian darkness from the bright sunlight, you can't >see diddley even with your headlights on. The car in >front of you can stop suddenly without warning if they >see somebody pulling out. That somebody pulling out >can't see around the car parked next to it and can't >see other cars driving past and pulls out anyway. >There are signs pointing one way to more parking and >another to the exit and you sure don't want to get >shuffled outside and have to start over, and finally >you don't want to be going so fast that you pass an >empty spot before you see it because you certainly >can't back up. I have only had to navigate a parking >structure once and it scared me silly. >> >>The default even for residential areas is 30mph. >>Except in Wales, where the barking mad Welsh Assembly > >Maybe composed of old fogies who can't drive fast >anymore??? > >>has made the default 20mph everywhere. This has been >>very unpopular, but I suppose it has saved lives, >>so.... bleh. > >I debate that. What proof is there that 20 MPH saves >lives over 25? How do you do the research? Let >people be killed @25 for the control group? You need >many lives lost to make it statistically valid. If 20 >MPH saves lives, then 10 MPH would save even more and >0 MPH would save them all. Here in California if >somebody obeys a ridiculously low limit they put >themselves at risk when somebody going faster comes up >behind them and flies into a road rage at the >obstruction. If you want to do 65 (the limit) on an >open freeway with no traffic, you better stay in the >slow lane!!! Does 15 MPH save the lives of senior >citizens who don't look both ways before crossing the >street, maybe because they can't and should have a >companion in that case? >> >>Speeding tickets are one of the examples that Alf and >>others used to explain why misbehavior has to have >>consequences, but I can't quite remember how that's >>supposed to end up applying to adults.... > >Huh? Kids have to bare their bottoms. Adults have to >bare their wallets. Either consequence can be >effective or not depending on how hard they are >spanked or how much they have in their wallets. > >Have to decide now what I do the next time mom crabs >about how fast I'm going. I <i>am</i> going to watch >my speed better when I am alone. The advantage of not >having a speeding ticket when my chaperone does is too >great to lose. Imagine! A speeding ticket has a >beneficial effect on somebody who didn't get it! Will >wonders never cease?
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