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Date Posted: 13:17:44 02/12/26 Thu In reply to: Jerry 's message, "Re: another failed attempt to persuade Jerry about team sports" on 18:38:20 02/11/26 Wed > Thank you for thinking of me. Most educators, > especially British ones, think that playing team > sports teaches teamwork and kids who don't play are, > as you put it, "not team players". This is said as a > condemnation, something bad, but why? If someone > doesn’t play baseball, does that mean he can't > cooperate on, say, manufacturing an automobile? So > long as the non-team player is not actively sabotaging > the team's effort what's so wrong? Physical education > is supposed to be about education. What's being > taught here? The only thing I have learned in PE is > how to let other, more skilled people do my work for > me. Well, that's part of the answer to the question "what's so wrong?" If this is at a low amateur skill level then "I expect other team members to do the work for me" means you're lazy and selfish. Or maybe your school handled it badly? At my school, even at elementary school ages, the boys who were really good at football (the sport with which everyone here is obsessed) were taken off to train separately, in every "proper" sports lesson. This continued through secondary school (what you would call middle school and high school). This left the rest of us - ranging from semi-competent people to wholly incompetent people - to play "team sports" against each other. And tbh it's just like what Connor once said. Limited competence is the world of "see ball, kick ball". The more confident (or more swift-footed) boys would be chasing after the ball with great rapidity, while the rest of us would be playing "defence". But that meant that, if the ball did come towards us, we were expected to at least *attempt* to kick it! An honest attempt would result in due respect, whether we connected or not. A successful tackle would result in great excitement - David brings down Goliath! There were just a very few people in my year whose response to this was to *run away from the ball* (or just freeze and ignore the ball) if it came near them. It's these people that received the greater share of insults and indignation. Can you see why? Connor would add that he has great anger for fielders "missing an easy catch". But we need to politely explain to him that easy for him, is not the same as easy for us. He has a right to expect that fielders should at least *try* to catch the ball. > If my team wins a game despite my being on it, we > all get a good grade. If we lose because I was on it, > we all get a bad grade and my teammates blame me and > the only thing I learn is that I am hopeless, so I > might as well give up. That's a strange way of doing things. My PE teachers assessed us individually, and I always got a C for ability and a 1 for effort, except when I got a 2 for effort and then Mum gave me a huge massive hairbrush spanking over her knee. If I'd applied to a sixth form college (I didn't), they would not have been shown those grades, I think. Certainly the universities that I'm applying to won't see them. > Someone like me who is "sports > illiterate" needs help in building up his skill set. Agreed. At one point (I think what you would call middle school age, maybe elementary) there was some "sports day" thing where all kids had to show off their supposed sports skills. The more talented kids demonstrated winning football games, and I was told to practice dribbling a ball between markers. So, it upped my game... very slightly. > Maybe I'm wrong here. British educators once (still?) > thought that teaching students Latin and Greek > sharpened their wits like lifting weights builds > muscles, while teaching chemistry and physics was > neglected. And yet the Brits produced Newton, Darwin, This seems to be a misunderstanding. Before Newton, physics didn't really exist. Before Darwin, biology was mostly limited to anatomy (Leonardo da Vinci wrote in Latin) and classification (Linnaeus wrote in, yes you guessed it, Latin). Newton and Darwin got their fame by observation, description, theories, and description of those theories. All of that required a keen eye for detail, logical thinking, and the ability to present a case to an audience. In other words, Latin and Greek served them well. > Maxwell, Not sure who that is, unless it's the first name of that guy who's the son of that famous TV doctor? Maxwell House? > So in the end I have to deal with the fact that I am > an odd duck, an outsider, not a team player. Eventually, Jerry, we come to realise that we're all odd ducks - even those talented in sport or literary matters or business or war.... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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