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Date Posted: 11:51:31 03/11/03 Tue
Author: ghostman
Subject: MAAC Tournament Format

Now that we have gone through the first tournament with the format, what is everyone's opinion of the format?
Is the double bye too much of an advantage to the 1 seed?

FU seemed dead out there last night. 3 games in 3 days is alot. Would like to see a Tuesday night championship if this seeding manner continues. Fresher FU legs might have made for a better game. Would have been great for the league if the quality of the game matched the first 2 meetings.

BTW - Only one lower seed advanced - St Peters(8) beat Rider(7).

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[> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- 9STAG1, 12:14:15 03/11/03 Tue

I believe the new format gave the desired results. The MAAC got their #1 seed to represent them in the NCAA's.
I'm not sure fatigue played a part. Awful shooting did as well as missed lay-ups and gimmes. They did not make one big basket ever. In both the first half and the second half they had a couple opportunities to cut into the lead. Watching the game, I felt that they missed their chances to "unnerve" MC and build some momentum, every single time. Overall I am satisfied with the season but just a little embarassed by their performance on Nat'l TV. It was a night where nothing seemed to go their way. I knew it was a bad omen when MC's first shot was a three from the top of the circle that was banked in off the glass!!!!!


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[> [> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- Stagman, 12:53:18 03/11/03 Tue

I kind of like what the Patriot League does. They hold the early rounds on one weekend in a larger arena and then have the final a few days later. Guarantees two fresh teams. They also play the final at the higher seed's court, which guarantees a sell out crowd.


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[> [> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- Menzies, 12:59:28 03/11/03 Tue

I guess I still like the other format for a couple of reasons.

-Its too big an advantage. #1 already gets to play lower seeded teams. Don't you think MC would have been able to win in the old format? Good chance. Would you think the current format is good if tiebreakers decide the #1 seed (common MAAC occurrence). If you aren't good enough to survive the previous format you aren't that much better than everyone else. If you really want #1 to move forward, bag the tourney.

-Fans don't get to see the #1 seed as much or as easily. Many fans would either have to (1) live close to the site, or (2) take a vacation day or (3) drive home in the middle of the night to see #1 as well as the other semi-final.

I don't think Siena (last year) as a 7 did much, if any, worse in the NCAA than any of the higher seeds would have done.

How about this as a concept - Fewer (and therefore narrower) divisions between teams is fairer because you never know where the natural divisions will arise.


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[> [> [> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- JCM, 14:10:15 03/11/03 Tue

I liked the old format better. I personally thought it was great that the seventh seed could advance to the NCAA Tournament. Thats what makes the tournament great. The season was behind you and if you could find a way to win 4 games you could go to the NCAA. It was in effect a format where every team in the country had a chance to make the NCAA, it was like an extension of the tournament, an NCAA tournament that featured every team.

Frankly, I don't think the new format had too much to do with the fact the Fairfield and Manhatten were in the finals. The better teams advanced this year and this year there was a real difference between the top and middle tier teams in the league. In other years that was not the case, and when we have a more balanced league again in the future we will again see more upsets.

Siena had home court advantage and a strong team last year, despite finishing 7th. That's why they advanced. In 1996 Fairfield had a great team plagued by an injury to a superstar Shannon Bowman. When he was well they were able to put it together and win. Same for the stags of 1987. Gromos returned from his broken wrist and the team was again unstoppable. I'm sure the new format is hear to stay but expect the upsets in the Maac tournament to continue in future years in spite of the format change.


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[> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- SonofDoc, 12:59:27 03/11/03 Tue

It could just as easily been Niagara (#4) in the finals against Fairfield.

It also could as easily been #6 Marist against Fairfield in the semi finals.

The best thing the new format did was make a great disadvantage to being numbers 5-10. I liked it.


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[> [> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- Hoops, 16:39:54 03/11/03 Tue

The new format is better. Those who like the old format are essentially saying eliminate the regular season and just play 4 games in March. The double bye is something worth playing for.


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[> [> [> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- ghostman, 20:49:21 03/11/03 Tue

A double bye is a lot especially if it is decided by a tie-breaker.


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[> [> [> I think that description is a little extreme. -- Menzies, 21:46:26 03/11/03 Tue


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[> [> [> [> I like the new format -- JoeStag, 22:11:56 03/11/03 Tue

New format made the Regular season much more interesting and meaningful. Season went down to the last day of the regular season with some importatnt swing games.... couldn't get any better than that.

In all reality the tourney format did not change the matchups that much.

Iona would have still played Niagara
Siena would have still played Marist
Stags would have played Rider instead of St Petes... no difference.

The Manhattan bye, did help them, but they deserved it.


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[> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- Suffolk Jasper 2, 17:51:20 03/11/03 Tue

I think the format achieved its objective. It will validate itself if other conferences adopt it in the future.


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[> Re: MAAC Tournament Format -- GM, 12:44:36 03/12/03 Wed

I think the format worked great. It made the regular season much more interesting, since the top 4 and the top 1 in particular were rewarded richly.

The top 4 teams played in the semis and the #1 seed beat the #2 seed in the final. That is the way it should work (though upsets are fun too).

As for FF being tired, that is a lame excuse. If they can’t get up for the championship game and a trip to the NCAA’s something is seriously wrong. Siena won 4 games in 4 days last season.

Manhattan earned the right to be a bit more rested in the regular season.


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