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[> [> [> [> Re: Here is how Fairfield's Sports are "Officially" Tiered -- Clam Jammer, 16:31:55 02/06/03 Thu

It looks as though the University under estimated the costs of what it would take to run a football or hockey team. Not only that, it looks as though they would have been facing increased costs in Football because of the uncertainty of MAAC Football, and because the hockey program needs more scholarship money to compete with the other schools. We went into both of these ventures not planning to be the best, but just planning to be tier3 and tier4. Can't have high cost sports, and not go into it full force, its a recipe for disaster. Should never have started up these sports without a plan to be the best.

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[> [> [> [> [> The fact remains... -- North Benson Bruiser, 20:56:32 02/06/03 Thu

That Fairfield, Canisuis, St. John's and the like had no business playing football in the first place.
Costs alone doomed football as a "non-revenue" sport.
Unless some alums with deep pockets (like Wellington Mara @ Fordham) really are passionate about underwriting football, it's only a matter of time before LaSalle, St Pete's and Iona drop.
Maybe it was a sign of a stock market top when they were added, maybe now it's a sign of a bottom!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The fact remains... -- GOSTAGS, 00:19:56 02/07/03 Fri

I agree about Football- the fact that we were ranked 14th in the nation for Div 1-AA mid major goes to show you how thin the caliber of play is...It does seem somewhat short-sighted that we would "can" a program after only 6 years of play but I can understand the rational.....I still hold on to the fact that we could be in the top 15-20 in the nation for hockey but I guess that is just not in the grand plan for FU......both programs are dissappointing that they will no longer exist on the d-1 level....I know that hockey has not been that good for years but I think that is the fault of the school's neglect for the program....even if we made it a tier 2 program we would have a shot at some national recognition...I think this will hurt us when compared to the BC's and Villanova's type schools....we pull from the same HS talent- we should be able to field a team.....I also don't understand why there wasn't an alumni appeal for the programs...i.e. "save hockey or football"...maybe I'm living in a bubble but that to me would be a last ditch effort before each program was dropped...oh yeah- sloppy game tonight vs. the Griff's but take the W and lets's move on- we need to play better if we plan on having a shot at winning the MAAC tourney...Go Stags! Beat Niagara!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The fact remains... -- JoeStag, 08:55:06 02/07/03 Fri

GOSTAGS,

I agree that Football and/or Hockey needed to be a Tier 2 level sport in order for them to succeed.

But even if Football stayed at the lowest of low level Football, were the Alumni asked about the decision to drop Football?????? Would the Alumni have given to the cause of saving Football?????

Since the decision was a Finanacial decision, whay not have a 5M Capital Campaign to raise money for Football?????

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The fact remains... -- GOSTAGS, 11:43:26 02/07/03 Fri

i agree with you totally

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The fact remains... -- DFW HOYA, 07:58:36 02/07/03 Fri

Non-revenue football is not doomed if there is support at a school. I teach part-time at a small Catholic university which is adding football, not dropping it, because they see the opportunities it provides the students. It can be done.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The fact remains... -- Joe Ivy, 15:59:44 02/07/03 Fri

O agree. Of course it can be done. This is a knee jerk reaction to the recession. Very little though or weight has be given to the long term repercussions. or to mthe student-athletes for tat matter. Maybe because of it's size, football wont be missed at St John's. But this will affect the way Canisius and Fairfield is viewed no matter what. If money is the bottom line, then why have any sports or any "fine arts" programs. These are "institutions of learning" and are suppose to forster opportunities for the growth and experiences of the young people of our society. Are we becoming a society that is just a "bottom line" shell?

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