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Date Posted: 17:13
Author: Federico Parente (pyislove)
Subject: Re: Did Norman kill Lucifer?
In reply to: norman - 3Apr02 's message, "Re: Did Norman kill Lucifer?" on 06:20

Dear Dwayanu;
with all respect, you may be NPs greatest apologist but when he NP shows such deep bondage to substance abuses of so many kinds it is clear that being a "direct disciple" of the wonderful Yogananda didn't qualify him as much as you would have us believe. Your loyalty however is a true friendship.
These problems are only the surface expressions of deeper psychological problems/emotional problems that your leader has not been able to shake off - or badly handled.
Even the desire to influence others by the pretence of containing privileged meetings with ET beings [and angels as some do - like Muhammad, Joseph smith and now Gary Renard] and attempting to carry the mantle of a guru are only delusions of power and grandeur hungriness’.
It all comes down to these matters; either he got sidetracked and couldn't handle his life once he left the protective grace of Yoganandas ashrama, or even though he had some limited advancement from earlier lives - he has yet to understand how all this stuff works. It is evident that NPs understanding/approach did not really work for him or anyone else he coached to any noteworthy degree.

By the way ...just what made you or someone on this thread think that the Encinitas community failed. One thing Yogananda and self-realization fellowship did understand is that Americans/Westerners are not ready for community life. That is why there were so many failures, that is why the masters last word on it was to form communities living with other devotees and the public living near SRF temples.
Americans by and large are still a bunch of cowboys, who on the world stage display a reckless power hungry bullying unlike any other modern country in the world!not nearly ready for such ideals.

Yoganandas community ideal is still one of the worlds great hopes for a future spiritual civilization. But they will have to be run with social democratic organization. Not like the abusive dictatorships that we have seen at Sunburst and Ananda and other places[even Mr Blacks ranch was built on monies fraudulently taken from SRF donations - how do I know this? I personally knew those involved in it while it happened] Persons now deceased.
Even though I myself have had this longing to belong to one of these communities it never happened years ago. I personally met DJW and Mr Black, and visited Sunburst long ago - I was not impressed with anything I saw. This sad history shows us why master and his other editors removed talk of communities from the Autobiography of a Yogi.
The time was not yet to be - although I feel by the year 2200 people will be ready for this ideal on a larger scale.
True leadership and timing is everything here!

This also makes it evident why persons giving kriya yoga initiations should be reauthorized annually by SRF.
Another one of yoganandas final proclimations...

Why is it that so many who left masters SRF have vainly claimed that "they were his only true successors?" this is as bad as saying you received divine authorization from a couple of unknown angels.
The way it has worked out so far without devotees getting this qualification has resulted in a lot of insult to masters great work by those who left because they thought they were going to do greater things. And a lot of abuse and disillusionment for many sincere devotees. History is the acid test for many things and is the crusher of false delusions of those who should never be in power.
There may have been sincere elements to the efforts of the leaders mentioned above, but it is clear they were still far from being free of mayas web. Not yet ready to be anyone’s qualified spiritual teacher regardless of organizational skills.
Sincerely , pyislove

They will never take anyone very far........

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