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Date Posted: 08:19
Author: Anonymous - 13 Oct 2001
Subject: Reply

This is a reply to the Kriya Nazi at the Universal Kriya board. He would not post my reply, maybe because it showed that he had in fact totally misjudged my actions and person. I am particularly amuse by his little guilt trip trying to set me in opposition to Lahiri Mahasaya. Anyway here is my reply. Hope no one cares that I post it here but Ned does not have the decencey to show my reply.

EN

This is the Universal Kriya board, and I would think that the universal part would be accepting to all legitimate realizations that are mentioned by its teachers and found during practice.

To experience a supposed soul or atman is to remain in the realm of Gunas, where all spiritual phenomena exists, which is a function of the mind, either still or active. One must rise above the gunas. Something entirely different than what you explain, happens then, in relation to your reference to the inner manifestations at the eye focus that are astral maniestations. They are experiences on the path but not the truth, nor the goal. When you quote these things I have no problem with them. I know of them and have many experiences of such things.

I am in total agreement that thinking can not provide anything, but it is a valid means of expression, and can help in understanding certain things. Do you really think that Atman is a thing separate from you, that can be experienced by you?

By discussion, not argument, things may be brought to light. For example expressing Atman with gender brings to light a subtle identification with the mind/body, which is a subtle form of maya. In this instance the mind still clings to the illusion of gender, which is part of body consciousness.

Lahiri Mahasaya taught differently, according to the receptivity and ability of his students. We find many different levels of understanding from his talks, some more public, some more unknown.

A point of view does not always express an argument you know, perhaps a difference of opinion, base on realization, according to ones background.

Lahiri Mahasaya said that all Gods and Godesses
must be transcended. This is very important in that the Gods and Godesses are the most subtle manifestations of mind and are in fact, not real.
A Christian will not experience the Hindu trinity for example, as these phenomenon are part of cultural conditioning. Kriya may be practiced by those of any religion or belief, and the truth will unfold perfectly as it should, with due consideration, through the divine intelligence.

Kriya need not be presented as a religion or cult but also as a science with universal awareness as its goal. In this light we have Lahiri Mahasaya saying that,"Emptiness had merged with euphoria".

There are also diary entries where Lahiri Mahasaya says that, "I know all of these experiences are not real, but I must be past through them".

Maybe you are painting me as an outsider because I do not fit in your mold of a yogi, due to your particular practice, and unfoldment.

In the spirit of Nsargadatta Maharaj I replied to a message that quoted him. It was accurate to his teachings and was not meant to be argumentive or to upset someones sense of propriety in regards to this board. You found it within yourself to chastise me without, perhaps really understanding my motive or my realization, if any, to the statement.

Maybe you misjudged me. If so, that is ok, because I also make mistakes in my life.

Love

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