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Date Posted: 08:56
Author: andre - 30 Dec 01
Subject: Interesting?

An intersting post?...
"Firstly, thanks to those of you who have offered your well-wishes to me. Many of the experiences I had had more to do with a downward spiral of drug use and hypocritical behavior. This was after I had received initiation but failed to take that initial blessing as a chance to be rid of my demons for good. I still kept bad company and my shadow self just wouldnt go away. I didnt realize then that you have to accept the shadow and work with it to attain mastery and I just kept fighting it from a nuclus of fear.
The thing about Kriya I feared most was that it gave my thoughts a powerful influence over the lives of people, something I realized could be a very dangerous thing since in my deepest self I am extremely conscious of allowing others to exercise absolute free will in their lives. I felt very much like a modern-day Milarepa.
I found out recently that the famous "saint with two bodies" Swami Pranabananda who Master writes about in his autobiography also had similar problems throughout his life. Even after he had taken initiation from Lahiri Mahashay he used opium and hashish on a regular basis until one day, when he asked his music teacher to prepare the drug for his daily hit, the teacher bitingly remarked, "Why should I? Now you will prepare it for us." This cut him to the core and he suddenly saw himself as a drug addict and no-hoper. In that very moment he looked the teacher in the eye and told him, "By my life I swear that from this moment on I will not touch any more drugs for the rest of my life, even if it kills me." And sure enough he didnt. He became very sick during withdrawal and came close to death but he wouldnt bend in his vow. It was after that that his rise in sadhana became meteoric.
I have some more thoughts to share on the topic of hiding and the general state of kriya these days. I agree what is said about Brother Bhaktananda in one of these posts. Ive never met him but I remember something Master allegedly said of him to a visitor once: "That man has no ego". And that was when Master was still on this plane so if he was without ego then its a good bet he will be without it forever more. This is maybe what contributes to his being in such deep attunement with Master to this day.
Another thing I remember was that during his later days Master was careful to keep Rajarsi away from all inharmonious vibrations. Maybe this is another insight into the why's of monastics having a hard time dealing with striving to remain in the pure state that they all aspire to while at the same time being so involved with the state of things "down here".
I dont know...I just feel that too much criticism of their actions is not warranted since they have done and are doing so much good in this world. Master did supposedly say toward the end of his days that it was only Rajarsi who had fully lived up to his expectations and that in some way or another all the other disciples save perhaps Sister (Gyanamata) had disappointed him. Who can say...maybe the physical absence of Master has done a great deal of damage over the years to some of the monastics' resolve to serve the work regardless of their having to toil in duality. You already know of the way they work so hard without necessarily having much time to meditate. And even so, they probably end up having more meditation time and depth than most of the householder devotees of SRF. Maybe that says something about the degree of effort required to really go all the way to the point where it doesnt matter anymore because you are as conscious of God during physical activity as in meditation (Nirvikalpa samadhi). Even Master said that in this life it had taken him a long time to reach Nirvikalpa because of the amount of service he had to perform while he still had time here on earth.
And how about this: I remember reading a book by the controversial kriya figure Satyeswarananda. Now I dont necessarily give much validity to his views of the kriya scene but he did say several very interesting things. One was that during the time when Lahiri Mahashaya was getting initiation after being drawn again to the Himalayas by Babaji, Babaji was alleged to have expressed doubts about the idea of giving kriya freely to the masses or even householders for that matter. Now, I know this is stated in the autobiography where Lahiri Mahashaya makes a heartfelt plea on the behalf of all men trapped in maya and Babaji accedes and gradually allows his chela to give Kriya more and more freely. However, according to Satyeswarananda this reservation of Babaji's may have had more to it than just a casual hesitation. Perhaps it is what is known as a maha-sankalpa (will of a master made manifest by divine power) on the part of Babaji to ensure that an accidental state of chaos is not effected because of the ungoverned wills of people made powerful through the practice of kriya without a corresponding inner grace which is the outcome of long and deep cultivation of yama and niyama, the all-important first steps of yoga. So many devoted and deeply developed kriyabans have already made it clear that the state of Kriya these days is not good. My very good friend and highly advanced kriya disciple who is living in the US has told me that his Master (a disciple of Sri Yukteswarji) had said to him, "Kriya is really only for a few. So many are teaching these things but it is nevertheless only for a few. Babaji knows what he is doing." I know there would be some people who, out of a very human sense of not wanting to feel left out of the potential blessings that kriya can bring and also out of a very human desire to see the world prosper through a mass dissemination of it, who would express a denial of what I have just said, but perhaps it is truly the real state of things after all.
Norman Paulsen for example, who practiced full kriya with kechari for many years after meeting Master has said that there is an important extra step to safe kriya sadhana in the new age. It has to do with the fact that there must be an allowance for the masculine descending current to meet and balance the kundalini, the upward rising feminine current, which potentially causes problems as it can literally "hiss" and lash out at others as their interactions with the yogi may potentially awaken subconscious associations and negative tendencies. (How many of us have expressed trepidation at the tales told in vedic texts of the constant mantric battles and vibratory complexities experienced even by the gods who are supposedly tranquil beings? Did not even Shiva burn Kama to ashes with one look?) This thing about the need for the incorrporation of the descending masculine force is not so hard to believe since the kundalini comes up from the base and is thus effectively activating the primal tendencies at the lower chakras and travels "up and out". The masculine positive tendency on the other hand meets the Mother halfway and effects a union at the heart where it gives birth to what Norman has called the Christ child, a truly balanced and harmonious embryonic Christ-conscious light which then through gradual deeper evolution ascends the spinal highway to complete union at the crown and higher universal chakras. Its almost as though it is a better-suited-for-this-age version of kriya by virtue of this fact, that it effects a harmonious state of inner calm and benefit in the heart centre way before the raw primal Mother force is given a chance to wreak potential havoc by reason of Her ascension to the higher centres, especially the sixth, the ajna, where all sorts of powers and tests come to the devotee. Remember that kriya is the most powerful form of evolution enhancing techniques, something that many people, in an effort to get there quick and attain the promises that drew them to the path in the first place, may overlook. It may in fact result in a greater amount of stress than is truly necessary as they attempt to bypass the all-important first "baby-steps" of learning to master the mind through basic concentration and the transmutation of negative thought-forms into healthy positive ones. This is something of which I believe I have had a personal experience."

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