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Date Posted: 13:44:31 08/06/02 Tue
Author: Julian
Subject: we still under the law but we pay by grace

WE ARE UNDER THE LAW BUT WE PAY BY GRACE

Jesus said that we must love our God first and then our neighbours as ourselves.

Paul said that we must love our neighbours only to fulfill the law.

The love that Jesus spoke about it is to love your neighbours (including the people that hate you, all the churches and all religions), it means to love your enemies also because when Jesus spoke this word he gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. The Samarians are the enemies of the Jews, Luke 10:36.

So do you love to share all the moneys and all the goods that you own with your neighbours EQUALLY, it means fifty/fifty? It means that you split your money in half and all what you have with your neighbours. Do you lay down your life for your friends? If you could do all theses things then you could hang the law and the prophets. And if you could not accept such condition you must obey the law in full. Jesus didn�t give a commandment to love your neighbour as your selves to hang the law. Jesus said it conditionally. It happened when they asked him about the greatest commandment in the law, then Jesus said: to love your God from all your hearts and from all your minds, and love your neighbours as yourselves, with theses two commandments you hang the law and the prophets. So, if we are not able to do so, it is not a sin, as long we obey the law ion full.

THE WORD CHRISTIAN MENAS CHRIST'S FOLLOWER BUT NOT RELIGION.

Paul is the antichrist; he uses God�s grace, to give liberty to the believers of God and in Christ Jesus. Paul is a wicked person; he knew how to deceive Christ�s followers. Paul lied about his story when Jesus appeared to him, he told two different stories for the same event.
The conclusion of Paul�s stories with the lord Jesus

Paul�s first story in (Acts 9: 3 to 9) does not match with (Acts 26: 13 to 16).
As Paul said in his first story: the lord did tell him only about (persecuting the lord Jesus. Then he said to him, ARISE AND GO INTO THE CITY, AND IT SHALL BE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU MUST DO).

So the lord did not tell (Saul) Paul in this verse what he supposes to do as a minister, the Lord told him to go to the city for someone would tell him what he supposes to do.

But Paul in his second story he said that the lord told him to preach the gospel AND TO TURN THEM FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, AND FROM THE POWER OF SATAN UNTO GOD. THAT THEY (MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS), AND INHERITANCE AMONG THEM (WHICH ARE SANCTIFIED BY FAITH) THAT IS IN ME. Acts 26: 13 to 18}.

Paul created this story to abolish God�s law, he said (by faith man is sanctified but not with his works). Also he claims that the faith (is in him). He said, WHICH IS SANCTIFIED BY FAITH THAT is in me.

The sanctification is by the blood of the lamb, but not by the faith that is in Paul.
Well, Jesus told us all about salvation, I do not think Jesus forgot to tell us about the faith. All what Jesus said is to love all the peoples including the enemies, and to keep the laws and the Commandments.
Did Jesus send Paul to tell us that we are justified by faith only? No, Jesus didn�t say it, because Paul lied and told two different stories. He claimed that Jesus told him to preach about salvation through faith only but not through work or by the law. Paul didn�t say that in his first story. In Jesus� ministry such think was not mentioned at all because Jesus appeared to Paul after 15 years of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.

Does our salvation based on abolishing the laws?

The law did not change, if our salvation is based on changing the laws, Jesus could have changed it during His ministry on earth. But on the contrary, Jesus warned us not to change even one jot of the laws. So which law that Jesus did speak about? The answer is the law that God gave to Moses and to the prophets, because when Jesus said these things the New Testaments (Paul�s letters) did not exist then. And Jesus said that till heaven and earth pass no one shall pass from one jot or from one title of the law. So heaven and earth didn�t pass away yet, WHY PAUL ABOLISHED THE LAW THROUGH JESUS� DEATH. Jesus never declared such statement. If Jesus told Paul to abolish God�s law through faith and through his death on the cross this testimony will make Jesus a liar, or will make Matthew and Luke faking by written things that Jesus never said. So who is right, Jesus, Paul, Matthew, or Luke. Well, Luke and Matthew are two witnesses that declare the same testimony. And I will never believe that Jesus make a mistake. So we have Paul�s story that is not clear when he said that Jesus appeared to him on his way to Damascus.
If Jesus meant that the law is abolished in his saying it means that we have a problem between the scripture Luke 16: 16 and the scripture in Matthew 5: 17, because Jesus said in this scripture that no one could remove one jot of the laws, till all be fulfilled.

Peter warned us to be careful when we read Paul�s letters; some people interpret his letters as abolishing God�s law. Those letters are hard to understand, which led some people unto their own destructions.
The scripture reads:{Bear in mind that our Lord�s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friend, since you already know these be on your guard so that you may carry not away by the error of LAWLESS MEN and fall from your secure position. But grow in the Grace and knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. To him is glory both now and forever. Amen. Second Peter 3:15 to 18}

DID PAUL CANCEL THE LAW OR JESUS DID

WHAT JESUS AND PAUL SAID ABOUT THE LAW

Did Paul speak as Jesus did about the law? No.

Did Jesus say that we must obey the law? Yes.
Did Paul say that we must obey the law? No.

Paul said when woman prophecy must cover her head, (First Corinthians 11: 5) then he said that the woman cannot teach or speak in church, (first Corinthians 14: 34 to 35) So Paul gave two scriptures that displace women from their rights in this world.

Paul said: woman cannot speak in church, but he said that she could prophecies in Church, Paul contradicting himself.

Prophesying is almost as teaching, and even more accurate than teaching, it is the Word of God.

If woman is not allowed to speak in Church it means that she is not allowed to praise the lord by singing, SO WHY WOMAN GO TO THE CHURCH?

Jesus did not allow the divorce, except in adultery.
Paul said, woman and man could get separated from their marriage�s contract. It is not directly divorce but it considered as divorce. He said, separated people could get married, but it is better for them to wait, they may restore their marriage. It means that separated people considered divorced and could get married according to Paul�s teachings.

Jesus said: man and woman becomes one flesh in marriage.
Paul said, woman couldn�t be equal with man in church, for the woman should tell her husband to speak for her in the church.

Jesus said in Luke 16: 16 that the laws and the prophets preached until John the Baptist. So how Paul could prophecy about Jesus� word and teaches the people not to obey God�s law.
Jesus said that the law was given and every one knew about it. Jesus never told us that someone will come in his name to change God�s law. On the contrary Jesus warned us from bad and false prophets, and he said that no one could change God�s law.
We know that Paul was preaching another testament, as we know it by the name of �the Gospel of Jesus Christ�. Paul�s teaching is about abolishing God�s law through Jesus Christ.

The scripture reads:
The law and the prophets were until John, since that time the kingdom of God preached and every man press into it, Luke 16: 16.

Some people interpret this scripture in the way that the law doesn�t exist any more. They believe that the people obeyed God�s law until John the Baptist. Since then no one is under God�s law.

But the real meaning of this scripture that is in Luke 16: 16, that no other prophets could add or abolish God�s laws. The law was given until John and no one could change it. It doesn�t mean that we are not under the law.

If Jesus meant that the law is abolished in this scripture it means that we have a problem between this scripture and the scripture in Matthew 5: 17, and in Luke 16: 17, because Jesus said in this scripture that no one could remove one jot of the laws.

Jesus did not avoid the laws of Moses and the prophets.

The apostle James said that we justify by our works.

Paul said, we are justified by faith only?

John said in the book of revelation that we shall be judged according to our works, (revelation 20:13).

Jesus said in the book of revelation of John that He shall give the reward according to our works, (Revelation 22: 12).

Jesus stays in heaven until the time comes to renew the covenant. (Acts 3:20)
This scripture proves to us that the new Covenant is not establish on earth yet, because Jesus didn�t return to earth yet.

Paul said in (Hebrews 8: 1 to 13) that the new covenant is established on earth and it is the time to abolish God�s law that He gave to Moses.

Paul avoids all the laws and the commandments that God gave to Moses, saying: Having abolished in Jesus' flesh the enmity even the law of commandments contained in ordinances. (Ephesians 2: 14 to 15)

But Jesus said things differently He said that we must keep the laws,

In Matthew 5:17 to 18 Jesus said: (Think not that I have come to destroy the law and the Prophets).

Paul said that Jesus came to destroy the Law, (Colossians 2:14).

Paul mentions that God sent his son, born under the law so that we might receive the full rights of sons. Since we are sons, we can now call him Abba, Father. (Galatians 4:4 to 6) so Jesus born under the law, for God to give us the right of son, this scripture tells us that God wants us to be under the law as his Son born under the law.

How Paul claimed that we are not under the law?

PAUL SAID THAT MALE AND FEMALE ARE EQUAL IN CHRIST, (GALATIANS 3: 28) (First Corinthians 6: 16) Paul contradicts himself again.

Paul said in different letter that woman can�t speak in church she must tell her husband to speak for her in church. (First Corinthians 14: 35)

The everlasting Covenant between God and Abraham in the Old Testaments

The Lord God said: {And I will establish my Covenant between you and me and your seed after you in their generations for an everlasting Covenant, to be a God unto you, and to your seed after you, Genesis 17: 7.

Paul said that we shall be judged according to our work (Second Corinthians 11: 13 to 15)
But in (Romans) Paul said that we are justified by faith only? Paul contradict his saying again.

In (First Corinthians 7:40) Paul said, after my judgement and I think also that I have the Spirit of God. Paul is not sure that God inspired him to speak.

Paul said: The Covenant that God gave to Abraham and to Moses has faults. Also he said that it is an old Covenant that decays and waxes old, and ready to vanish away. (Hebrews (8: 7) (8:13)

Peter is one of Jesus� disciples, he said that we must be very careful when in reading Paul�s fourteen letters that some things in them that are hard to understand which led some people unto their own destruction. (Second Peter 3: 16)

We have one choice and one Commandment, Paul said avoid the law, BUT JESUS SAID: DO NOT EVEN CHANGE ONE JOT OF THE LAW. (Matthew 5:17 to 18)

Paul mentions in one scripture that we all justified by faith and by the grace of Jesus. He said that we are not under the laws any more. He said it different in another scripture he said that (by faith we establish the law). Paul did not say which way we have to take: to justify by faith as he said, or by faith we establish the law, (Romans 3: 31).

Jesus chooses Peter of all His Disciples to establish His Church on earth, saying,
{And Jesus answered and said unto him, AND I SAY ALSO UNTO YOU THAT YOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.
AND I WILL GIVE UNTO YOU THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: AND WHATSOEVER YOU SHALL BIND ON EARTH BE IN HEAVEN: AND WHATSOEVER YOU SHALL LOOSE ON EARTH SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN, Matthew 16: 18 to 19}.

Even with the authority that Peter had from the Lord Jesus, Peter did not change or avoid God�s Laws, but why Paul did?

(The lord told Paul to witness and to bare his name to the Gentile but not to Change the Laws)

Please refer to the following scriptures in Acts 26:16 to 18.

Paul wrote fourteen letters in the new Testaments in some letters he mentions that we are not under God laws that gave to Moses. Paul said in his letter to Romans, saying,

{Now we know that what things so ever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God (without the law) manifested, being witness by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God that is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe. For there is no difference: for they all sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus}, Romans 3: 19 to 24

Also Paul Mentions in the book of Roman, saying, {therefore we conclude that a man is justify by faith without the deeds of the Law}. Romans 3: 28

But in the book of James tell us, that we are justified by works and not by faith only. {You see then how those by works a man is justify, and not by faith only, James 2: 24}.
Jesus mentions in the book of Revelation that we are justify by our works.

It reads:

{Behold, I come quickly, and my reword is with me, to give every man according to his WORK shall be. Revelation 22: 12.}

John mentions in the book of Revelation that we are judged according to our works.

It reads: {And death and hell delivered up the dead that were in them, and they were judged every man according to their WORKS. Revelation 20: 12.}

Paul avoids Moses' laws in his second letter to Corinthians saying: {But we are not like Moses, who veiled his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. But their minds made dull: for to this day the same veil remains when the old Covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever any one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away, Second Corinthians 3: 13 to 16.

But Paul said in the book of Romans that we should (establish the law by faith? Saying: {do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YEA WE ESTABLISH THE LAW}, Romans 3: 31 Paul contradict himself again.

Paul said in his letter to Hebrews that the law decays and waxes old: {In that he said a new Covenant, he had made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away, Hebrews 8: 13.}

Paul said that there is nothing good in him that keeps him on doing EVIL:
The scripture reads:

{We know that the law is spiritual; but I am not spiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not know what I am doing. For what I want to do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good as it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing Good lives in me, that is in my sinful nature.
For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do, this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this at work: When I want to do well, evil is right there with me.

For in my inner being I delight in God�s law; But I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks are to God through Jesus Christ our Lord Roman 7: 14 to 25}.

Note:
Please read the scripture that is in Romans 7: 14 to 25,

(Does the Old Covenant has Faults)

Paul said: God�s Covenant of the Old Testament has faults? Does God make mistake as Paul said? NO.

His letter reads: But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PLACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND, Hebrews 8: 1 to 7}.

But Jesus' disciple Peter said it differently:

{BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURE FOR EVER. AND THIS IS THE WORD, WHICH BY THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED UNTO YOU, First Peter 1: 25.

Peter is the only person that Jesus gave the authority from all the rest of the disciples, Jesus said to him: {Peter any thing you loose on earth shall loose in Heaven}
If Peter said (the Word of the Lord endures forever), and Jesus said it also that no one could change one jot of the law, as it is mention in (Matthew 5: 17 to 18).

But Paul said that God�s covenant has fault, as he wrote it in Hebrews 8: 7.

And Jesus said that heaven and earth will pass, but no wise pass from the law.
Matthew 5:18,
And Jesus said also that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than on jot or one title to pass, Luke 16: 17.

Now, we do have two commandments, should we listen to Paul or to Jesus? Well, I listen and obey Jesus� and God�s word.

Ends

Julian

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