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Date Posted: 15:23:18 05/07/01 Mon
Author: David R.W. Wadsworth
Subject: DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS is Prescribed in the Bible (Part 2) by Peter J Peters

ANSWERS TO MANY AND VARIED OBJECTIONS TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF GOD’S LAW ON HOMOSEXUALITY. (The objections are not in any particular order.)

1) JESUS NEVER CONDEMNED HOMOSEXUALITY. It could just as well be said that Jesus never specifically condemned kidnapping and bestiality but most would not be so foolish or dishonest as to say He does not condemn such acts. Jesus endorsed the “Law” when he said, “Think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophets: I have come not to destroy, but to fulfill.” Matthew 5:17 KJV. Nowhere or at any time did He condemn the Law of God, rather upheld it. In the process He then upheld the death penalty. He did condemn the law of the Pharisees that made the Law of God of no effect (Matthew 15:6) just as people do today.

2) JESUS ADVOCATED LOVE NOR HATE. This is said in such a way as to accuse those who want God's Law enforced in society as being haters and without love. The greatest commandment is: "... thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" Matthew 22:37 KJV. Jesus Christ is our great God and Savior (John 20:28, John 1:1,14). He gave us his definition of love: "If you love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15 KJV. Thus, for a people to keep the commandment of Leviticus 20:13, is to love their God.

3) JUDGE NOT. This bit of Scripture is normally flaunted by those who do not even claim Scripture has authority, and yet, they try to use it to condemn those who advocate the Laws of Scripture. Judging is a whole other study but suffice it to say, Jesus also commanded His followers to judge. "...judge righteous judgment." John 7:24 NASV. If judging is so wrong, why do we allow criminals such as murderers or kidnappers to be judged? (On judging, we recommend our tape message To Judge or Not to Judge #260 available from Scriptures for Angelica lot a $3.00 offering.)

4) THE LAW IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT IN CHRISTIANITY. IT WAS UNRIGHTEOUS AND AGAINST US AND HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH LOVE AND GRACE, This argument mistakes the old Law Covenant made with ancient Israel at Mount Sinai with its many rituals and animal sacrifices, for the Laws, Statutes and Judgments of God which existed even before then (Genesis 26:5) and still exist today. That Law with its statutes and judgments the Bible calls righteous (Deuteronomy 4:8) and is what the Christian Scriptures teach is good for use in such crimes as murder, kidnapping, homosexuality, etc. "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and for sinners for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teach.” I Timothy 8-10 NASV. Remember Jesus said His followers were not to think He came to abolish it (Matthew 5:17). (For more information on this subject, we recommend our 6 part cassette tape series entitled, The Law got an $18.00 offering.)

5) WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOME IS THEIR BUSINESS. If this is true, then why does society have laws concerning gambling in homes, or prostitution services being performed in homes? God's Law on homosexuality said nothing of whether it was done privately in a home or publicly on a park bench.

6) THIS IS AMERICA AND YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AN ALTERNATE LIFE STYLE KNOWN AS HOMOSEXUALITY. Our forefathers did not fight and die in 1776 for anyone's right to practice homosexuality lest why would they have upheld criminal sodomy laws and why would even today 25 states have criminal sodomy laws? Certainly Jesus did not die so as to give one the freedom to be a homosexual anymore than He died to give one the freedom to be a swindler. "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers. nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." I Corinthians 6:9,10 NASV

7) WE CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY. All legislation is of a moral or immoral nature. Law, by its very nature, pertains to morality. It's just a matter of who's morality we are going to enforce or legislate. God's or man’s?

8) HOMOSEXUALS CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES. THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY. THEY ARE A POOR MISUNDERSTOOD AND PERSECUTED PEOPLE, ETC., ETC. So man categorizes them, but the Bible says they are a people with a reprobate mind worthy of death. "and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not tike to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient: being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication. wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers (sic), without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:27-32 KJV Emphasis added)

Concerning reprobate minds, consider the following report "New Jersey: The six leading serial killers in the U.S. are: Donald Harvey (37 victims), John Wayne Gacy (23 victims), Patrick Kearney (32 victims), Bruce Davis (28 victims), Corli-Henley-Brooks (sic) (27 victims), & Juan Corona (25 victims).

The NY times quotes detectives as saying all were "motivated by a sense of shame after having (homo)sexual relations with their victims." (8)

Regardless of what causes people to choose this life style, applied Bible law will stop it and cure it once and for all.

9) THE BIBLE TEACHES HOMOSEXUALS CAN COME TO THE SAVING GRACE OF CHRIST. This is true according to I Corinthians 6:11 (NASV) "And such were some of you; but you were washed. but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." However, the record seems to indicate that once people get deep into the sexual perversion of homosexuality, few ever choose to repent and turn back from it. Regardless, this still does not mean society cannot institute the death penalty for this crime just as it has for the crime of murder. No one says a murderer cannot repent and come to Christ nor does society allow such a conversion to stop the death penalty from being carried out.

(Concerning homosexuality, once society puts into force God's Law and judgment concerning this crime, it could be from that moment forward that it would apply. It could be dealt with as Ex Post Facto Law and still there would be a trail and evidence just as the Law of God requires.)
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Footnote (8): Family Research Report, Jan.-Feb. 1992, P.O. Box 2091, Washington, D.C. 2001


CONCLUSION



Because Leviticus 20:13 is the existing law of our Creator God, there is the judgment of DEATH. If we as a society refuse to repent and acquire righteous government to punish this crime with the death penalty, then even more will die. For this author not to so warn or so state would be for me, in principle, to fall under thee condemnation of Ezekiel 3:17-21 (NASV). "Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me. When I say to the wicked, 'You shall surely die;' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. Yet if you have warned the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself. Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he shall die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin. and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

Homosexuals will continue to spread their form of death and will continue to recruit the people's sons and daughters and threaten and carry out their threats against any who oppose them. Consider the writings of their own prophets.

HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST OUTLINES GOALS OF HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT by Michael Swift, "Gay Revolutionary"
(from the Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987, reprinted from The Congressional Record)

“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems or your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress. wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then, We will amuse them, we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other in stead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically. socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial sentimental insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar. bourgeois heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across tile desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steelyminded (sic) aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal selling, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions. we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable or firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

Tremble. hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks."

History shows, however, that it is just a matter of time before courageous men rise up and do what unrighteous government refuses to do. (Judges 20, I Samuel 15:33, Numbers 25:4-11 are just a few Bible historical accounts that attest to this fact.)

There will be far less death and suffering if society simply enforces Sodomy Criminal laws inevery state in the union in accordance with His righteous, existing Law. The facts of this writing show it can and should be done. Pray Christians take the initiative and do so lest a worst judgment of death befalls us as a nation.



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5) Send it to Christian ministries and pastors.
6) Pray for your country and this truth and do so believing.

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