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Date Posted: 03:43:49 09/10/02 Tue
Author: Monaro/GTO
Subject: Re: 'American icon'
In reply to: John LeChette 's message, "Re: 2004 GTO" on 12:14:19 09/07/02 Sat

>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>engine is a disgrace.
>I think a company this large could have actually built
>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>
>John

Disgrace, eh?
I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered Front-drive cars!
NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ... boring boring boring
Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8 6speed coupes with RWD

2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign' than the 2002 model, eh John?

Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova econo-car clone. Wow, big deal

I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the much-improved quality of the '04, most of you so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple question ...

How good is it to drive & own?

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- QuickSilver, 11:35:52 01/04/03 Sat

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?


Point well taken. Luckily the upcoming 2004 and 2005 line of Pontiacs will take care of a lot of your "boring" issues. The Prix will offer a steering wheel mounted TAPshift on its performance upgrade model. Most of line is going supercharged. And when the 2005 Grand Am hits everyone will forget the GTO even existed.

As far as the GTO styling, I would give it at least a year after release before Pontiac started introducing beefier styling packages. Remember how plain the first GTO looked?

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[> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jake, 17:13:11 01/11/03 Sat

I don't really have a problem with the car being an Australian import bue I do have a problem with the way this thing looks. The Holden is cool in it's own way but I personally wouldn't say it's "GTO". I would have introduced the car under another name and saved the GTO title for something else. It really dosen't look like a muscle car. Looks like a two door Caddy Catera or somethin'. Like I said, it's cool but it's not what I'd see as a GTO.

"it was merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova econo-car clone. Wow, big deal"

I'd say a Chevelle's more of it's counterpart than the Nova..

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- the Dogamus One, 02:02:51 01/21/03 Tue

How can a car that is going to be more expensive than the car it is replacing be an "econo-car clone"? Holden makes a fine automobile and if sales go well in the US, I'd imagine that they'd bring some of the aftermarket and specialty versions (there's like 30) over as well. So the name thing really does fit. You can't argue with a motor like the LS1. After all, it is pretty much the last of the pushrod powerhouses. How much more muscle car do you want?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Robert, 09:36:02 02/13/03 Thu

I think that you guys are missing the point. If you follow the original GTOs design and conception its point was to stop the decline of PMD. Pontiac just couldnt compete back then with GM saying no speedy cars no racing and such. but a genius named Delorean came up with the idea of putting a 389 in the body of a lemans and thus the great one was born.
now I dont like the GTO name appearing on what is basically a Neon (Per Se) on Steroids but pontiac is doing the same thing that they did in the creation of the great one. now while it is dismaying to think about, pontiac just cant compete these days. Kids want foreign and crap like that in not that many years the hobby of restoring old ponchos will die if we dont start putting the hobby in young peoples minds.


Robert

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jon, 18:15:26 04/05/05 Tue

I think you're missing the point. The last year of the GTO WAS a chevy nova with different accents. It wasn't the same chassis like the GTO and Chevelles were at first.

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Andrew, 13:50:40 01/13/03 Mon

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?

Your both right, its important to have a car that looks good(tunnel hood...) and have a car that drives good to. GTO does have a good name, and i was looking forward to the concept for a while now. PLEASE BRING IT BACK!!!

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Andrew, 14:02:56 01/13/03 Mon

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?

Your both right, its important to have a car that looks good(tunnel hood...) and have a car that drives good to. GTO does have a good name, and i was looking forward to the concept for a while now. PLEASE BRING IT BACK!!!

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- curtis wilson, 20:33:07 08/16/03 Sat

i,am going to buy this car because i think this is a car that will turn heads.i like the ideal because people will ask what it is.you all have to realize that new cars have to be built this way.many of you weren,t even old enough to have a gto when they first came out.so it is time to move on.this car is awesome.think about it.when that camero pull up beside that gto and look over at that v6 looking car and get there doors blown off,oh what a feeling

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jon, 18:12:09 04/05/05 Tue

It's about damn time someone recognized this. I would have liked to have seen a little better styling myself, but come on,, this is a great car! All you so called enthusiasts need to take a look at the performance features of this car, not to mention the Aussie quality both interior, exterior and robust suspension/chassis that far surpasses anything that the so called "american" GM cars contain... Oh darn,, the new GTO doesn't have cheesy body panels that don't match up and where the hell did they put the nerf interior!!??? What's this?? rear seats with leg room and head room?? and what the hell is up with these buckets that are more comfortable than anything GM has ever produced??? The car is good looking,, maybe it isn't a nostalgic rip-off like every mustang produced in the last decade, but it's still handsome. And I'd rather have a somewhat boring look than all those fake assed plastic NON FUNCTIONAL scoops and ground effects hanging all over it.

Furthermore,, rattling on about putting a chevy engine in the Pontiac is a pretty stupid arguement. It's been since the early '80s that Pontiac even produced a V8.

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