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Date Posted: 07:42:41 03/08/11 Tue
Author: George
Subject: Re: Already determined the outcome?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Already determined the outcome?" on 20:57:36 03/07/11 Mon

I'm going to comment on all your submissions, Lois, in one post.

Lois wrote:
>>Journeying Toward a USA National Conference
>>BY THE USA APOSTOLIC TEAM
>>
>>Q: Has church leadership already determined the
>>outcome on issues of same-gender marriage and
>>ordaining people in same-gender relationships?
>>
>>A: No, church leadership is committed to discernment
>>leading to the USA National Conference. This process
>>will include spiritual practices, dialogue, scripture
>>reflection, and study of credible resources that
>>provide multiple perspectives on human sexuality and
>>healthy, faithful, and committed relationships.
>>--------
>>
>>I don't believe that. Does anybody reading this
>>believe that?
>>
>>Lois

George wrote:I'll not comment on the above, since I already have.


Lois wrote:
>>
>The Gala Newsletter
>April 2008—Volume 19 Issue 2 page 1
>
>March the 7th and the 10th were important
>days in the life of GALA. Over the two day period
>meetings were held with the First Presidency (all
>three), Mary Jack Dynes and Stassi Cramm (the
>Twelve), David Brock and Rich Kohlman (Presiding
>Evangelists), Dave Brown (Presiding Bishopric), Jane
>Gardner (High Priest, phone), Don Compier (Dean of
>the Seminary), Bob Kyser (senior President of
>Seventy), and Sandee Gamet (Listening Circles). The
>purpose of the meetings were to begin to build a
>relationship, understand perspective on LGBT issues
>of inclusion and full membership rights, and to
>identify ways that we can work together on these
>issues.
>

>Linda L. Booth, Stassi D. Cramm, Ronald D. Harmon Jr.,
>Rick W. Maupin, and K. Scott Murphy
>USA Team of Apostles
>
>submitted by Lois
>

George wrote:
With the numbers of homosexuals that the First Presidency has recruited, I shouldn't think that it would be difficult for the First Presidency, the evangelists, the Bishop, the Dean, and the president of the seventy should have any difficulty working with GALA.

I once asked Ray McIntyre, the self-styled "Mormon Answer Man" (an ordained RLDS/CofC priest) how many homosexuals were in the CofC priesthood. His answer was, "No one knows."


Lois wrote:
>PAPER #3, First Presidency Meetings (Community of
>Christ), January 9, 1979, 1:45 p.m.
>THE IDENTITY OF THE CHURCHPage 2
>
>The message of the gospel is concerned with the
>deepest human needs. It offers no solutions for the
>problem of collective evil, the question of death, nor
>even a solution for sin. The gospel is the
>assurance that all is changed in Christ.

>WCNnewsletter September 2009 page 3
>
>"The GALA retreat was Labor Day weekend at Lake
>Doniphan Campgrounds, Excelsior Springs, MO. Tom Beck
>from Fort Collins, Colorado reported, “We're back! The
>retreat was great - always a "shot in the arm" for
>everyone. It's about 50% straight allies and the rest
>GLBT. The time with Steve Veazey and his wife,
>Cathy, was special as well.”
>
>submitted by Lois

George wrote: I'm sure that it was special indeed.


Lois wrote:
>A Letter From Apostle Ron Harmon
>
>"I want to share with you that the issue of
>“homosexuality and the church” is a deep concern of
>mine and my colleagues in the World Church Leadership
>Council. It goes to the heart of our basic
>understandings of human sexuality and identity, about
>which there is much misinformation and
>misunderstanding. Groundwork is being laid for more
>meaningful discernment and conversation as we address
>the issues as a community of faith."
>------
George wrote:
There is no "community" in the Community of Christ. The name is wholly inappropriate, as it doesn't even qualify as an oxymoron. The only "community" that the hierarchy is concerned with is the "gay community." Even though there are several "gay" denominations, the hierarchy feels that it is necessary to destroy the RLDS church in order to create yet another one.

Lois wrote:
>
>Linda L. Booth, Stassi D. Cramm, Ronald D. Harmon Jr.,
>Rick W. Maupin, and K. Scott Murphy
>USA Team of Apostles
>------

>G-3 Request for Periodically Updated Information
>
>(snipped)
>“Whereas, We have been recently advised that the First
>Presidency, in consultation with other World Church
>leaders and the Standing High Council, are discussing
>what the most helpful processes may be for engaging
>the church in evaluating present church policies
>related to human sexuality; therefore be it
>
>Resolved, That the First Presidency be requested to
>provide the Church an annual update on the progress
>and results of their consultations, using the Herald,
>the church Web site, and other appropriate
>World Church communications.”
>------
>
>
>Apostle Rick Maupin moved to amend by striking
>the words “Web site.” The motion was seconded. There
>was some discussion. Without objection, the chair
>expanded the amendment to strike the words “the church
>Web site.” Christian Skoorsmith moved the previous
>question on the amendment only, and it passed by the
>required two-thirds. The amendment was adopted."
>
>The entire resolution as previously amended was
>adopted.
>
>Submitted by Lois

George wrote:
Of course, Lois. Why would they want information about what they are doing put on the internet. It began as irksome posts being cut from the CofC website. Now it is outright suppression of information.

Mubarak tried to win by shutting down the internet in Egypt.

Lois wrote:

>Susan D. Skoor, another apostle with sympathies to the
>homosexual agenda.
>
>Gala Newsletter
>October 2007 – Volume 18 Issue 3
>
>“Stories draw us into the lives of others, where we
>participate in their emotions of love, fear,
>acceptance,
>rejection, loneliness, and bittersweet triumph.
>Marginalized,
>invisible, and dispossessed homosexuals in the
>church have long needed an advocate like Bill Russell
>to
>tell their stories with sensitivity and compassion. How
>shall we respond?”
>—Susan D. Skoor
>Apostle, Community of Christ
>------
>
>Submitted by Lois


George wrote: Is "sympathetic" the right word, or "empathetic?" It has got to the point where anyone who isn't a complete fool has to wonder. The First Presidency and the leadership has purposely kept these folks "invisible" so that no one would know they'd been ordained and appointed to positions in the church that no one who commits any other lifestyle sin would be allowed to hold.


Lois wrote:
>Becky Savage is a member of the First Presidency of
>the Community of Christ.
>
>
>"Below is contact information and welcoming statements
>for Community of Christ congregations and ministries
>that have joined the Welcoming Community Network.
>These organizations have publicly declared themselves
>welcoming & affirming of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and
>transgender persons and familiies, and that they are
>committed to including persons of all sexual
>orientations and gender identities into their whole
>life and leadership."

George wrote:Sinful lifestyles incorporated into the whole life and leadership of a church resulted in the medieval Roman Catholic Church.
Why do free men always want to return to the Middle Ages?
That's a mystery that can't be solved without understanding slavery to sin.

Lois wrote:
>
>Web page: Clearwater Community of Christ
>Contact: Mark Dixon
>------
>
>
>Gala Newsletter
>July 2008—Volume 19 Issue 3 page 1
>Gay Member on Extended World
>Church Leadership Council
>By Mark D. Dixon, M.D.
>
>Nearly a year ago, I received a call from Becky
>Savage, a member of the First Presidency, asking
>if I would be willing to participate on the Extended
>World Church Leadership Council (EWCLC)…….”
>
>“An invitation has been extended to a second member of
>the GLBT community and we will attend our next meeting
>this September.”
>------
>
>Submitted by Lois

George wrote:
Yep. If the homosexuals are already so integrated into the church that they are the ones serving on the committees that are going to "decide" this, it looks to me like the decision HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.

Lois wrote:
>
>PAPER #5,The First Presidency (of
>Community of Christ), January 9, 1979, 4:15 p.m.
>
>COPING WITH CONFLICTING MESSAGES
>
>"It seems that it is difficult for persons who feel
>compelled to express their divergent views to
>discriminate between the lawful powers given to the
>First Presidency for the sake of the church and the
>privilege they have as individual members of the
>church to express their point of view. There certainly
>must be opportunity to express dissent and
>dissatisfaction and this should be done directly with
>the officer or officers involved. The First Presidency
>are willing to give a hearing to responsible
>criticism. Members do not have a right, however to
>directly circularize the church with a point of view
>or style which conflicts with the program emphasis
>being presented to the church."

George wrote:
Lois, you see, the rules are written to suppress dissent. That's why 140,000 members left the CofC. If they remained as members, they wouldn't be allowed to talk to anybody in the church about all this horrible stuff. The legitimatization of sodomy is the program emphasis being presented to the church, and woe to anyone with his name on the rolls who dares question it in any way, or refuse to support it financially.

How long will it be before the CofC surpasses Scientology as an oppressive cult?


Lois wrote:
>>Journeying Toward a USA National Conference
>>BY THE USA APOSTOLIC TEAM
>>
>>Q: Has church leadership already determined the
>>outcome on issues of same-gender marriage and
>>ordaining people in same-gender relationships?
>>
>>A: No, church leadership is committed to discernment
>>leading to the USA National Conference. This process
>>will include spiritual practices, dialogue, scripture
>>reflection, and study of credible resources that
>>provide multiple perspectives on human sexuality and
>>healthy, faithful, and committed relationships.
>>--------
>>
>>I don't believe that. Does anybody reading this
>>believe that?
>>
>>Lois
>>
>>e/IntoTheFuture-Veazey.pdf
>>Steve Veazey of the Community of Christ
>>
>>“I am receiving some correspondence and messages that
>>state the recent action of the World
>>Conference…..
>>
>>[Section 164 6b. I f the church more fully will
>>understand and consistently apply these principles,
>>questions arising about responsible human sexuality;
>>gender identities, roles, and relationships; marriage;
>>and other issues may be resolved according to God’s
>>divine purposes. Be assured, nothing within these
>>principles condones selfish, irresponsible,
>>promiscuous, degrading, or abusive relationships]
>>
>> …..to approve the counsel I brought to the church is
>>mainly what is depressing tithing. That may be so.
>>However, I want to be clear that as long as I am in
>>the role, I will bring to the church my clearest
>>perceptions of the mind and will of God.
>>A nonnegotiable for me is that I will not compromise
>>vision, message, and the Spirit’s clear guidance in
>>the face of threats from individuals that they will
>>withdraw their financial support if they do not agree
>>with church direction or certain decisions.”
>
>David Brock is the Presiding Evangelist of
>Community of Christ. I remember Alma Johnson and Ted
>White who were real spiritual fathers to the church.
>
>
>Gala Newsletter
>July 2007 – Volume 18 Issue 3 Page 2
>May 18, 2007
>
>To: David R Brock
>“Greetings from the Welcoming Community Network! I am
>presenting a copy of the response from WCN to the
>Committee on Homosexuality and the Church Report
>submitted at World Conference. [See pp. 4-5 in the
>5/07 GALA News.]….
>Meredith Bischoff, President WCN
>
>
>“Thank you, Meredith, for the spirit and content of
>the response to the COHC report to the World
>Conference. I will assure that it gets communicated to
>those members of the Committee who didn’t receive it.
>I will also assure that it is passed on to those who
>will be charged with the ongoing reflection and study
>on the matter going into the future…….”
>In Christ, David R. Brock
>Presiding Evangelist, Community of Christ
>
>submitted by Lois
>


Yes, I'm sure that Charles Windsor gave the same due reflection and study on the matter of marrying Camilla Parker Bowles prior to getting involved with her.

George

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