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Date Posted: 21:06:49 03/08/11 Tue
Author: George
Subject: Re: Already determined the outcome?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Already determined the outcome?" on 20:19:05 03/08/11 Tue

>> >>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/usaconf/journey.asp">ht
>t
>>p://www.cofchrist.org/usaconf/journey.asp
>>Journeying Toward a USA National Conference
>>BY THE USA APOSTOLIC TEAM
>>
>>Q: Has church leadership already determined the
>>outcome on issues of same-gender marriage and
>>ordaining people in same-gender relationships?
>>
>>A: No, church leadership is committed to discernment
>>leading to the USA National Conference. This process
>>will include spiritual practices, dialogue, scripture
>>reflection, and study of credible resources that
>>provide multiple perspectives on human sexuality and
>>healthy, faithful, and committed relationships.
>>--------
>>
>>I don't believe that. Does anybody reading this
>>believe that?
>>
>>Lois
>
> >href="http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2010/counsel/VeazeyBoo
>thTranscript03-2010.pdf">http://www.cofchrist.org/wc201
>0/counsel/VeazeyBoothTranscript03-2010.pdf
>
>Conversation and Testimony with President
>Veazey
>(Apostle Linda Booth had this conversation with
>President Steve Veazey)
>
>Excerpts:
>
>Linda: "The universal spiritual principles were again
>brought up in Section 6a and this section tries to
>guide us to these difficult questions about
>responsible human sexuality; gender identities,
>roles, and relationships; marriage; and other
>significant issues. There�s people on multiple sides
>of some these legislative issues concerning,
>particularly same-gender marriage and the ordination
>of homosexuals, and they have wanted the counsel
>to give specific answers and support their opinions.
>Yet these universal principles seem to help us be
>united in this diversity. Can you share your
>experience with this portion of the counsel and how
>that might help in our diversity of thought as we move
>forth in unity?"
>
>Steve: "I am aware that many had hoped or desired that
>there would be some kind of final, definitive answer.
>I understand that. I wrestled with that."
>
>Steve: "A fundamental one [aspect] is how do we really
>view and use scripture? And it may take these kinds
>of difficult questions around which there�s a lot of
>energy to get us to the point that we�re willing to
>look very seriously at how do we responsibly use
>scripture in the context of our sense of God�s Spirit
>guiding us today, knowledge that is available today
>that wasn�t available when some of the scripture
>writings writers were expressing their best
>understandings I don�t mean that to devalue scripture.
>But....."
>------

There you have it, Lois. That's similar to the Christian author's assessment in his book called "Games Christians Play." In that work, there was a game described called "I'd Love To, But...." Steve's variation of the game is "I'd Love To Confess Belief in the Scriptures, But...."

>
>Submitted by Lois
>
>
> >href="http://www.galaweb.org/content/newsletters/GALA20
>4Final.pdf">http://www.galaweb.org/content/newsletters/
>GALA204Final.pdf
>The Gala Newsletter
>November 2009, Volume 20, Issue 4, Page 9
>
>�Dr. Dale Luffman, a member of the Community of
>Christ Quorum of Twelve Apostles, delivered the
>sermon at the inaugural service November 1 on the
>subject of hospitality with references to Genesis and
>Mark. He explained the historical context of the time
>in which Genesis was written. He challenged those who
>use the Sodom and Gomorrah event as a way to attack
>homosexuals and other members of the LGBT community.
>He asserted that the Lot story is about God�s
>hospitality, not about committed same-sex
>relationships in today�s world.�

Do you suppose that Wally will contact Dr. Luffman and tell the apostle that he is "rationalizing?"

The explanation sounds rather like one a PhD gave on the radio in 1979. He said that theft wasn't a bad thing, because the thieves pawned the stolen items, and then poor people could afford to buy them. The rich people who had been robbed were compensated by the insurance company, so what was the problem? It would be politically incorrect for me to give you any clues to the personal characteristics of the one who gave that analysis.

Since a degree or doctorate was originally printed on sheepskin, we can easily say that these PhD's, ThD's, MD's and what have you spouting this stuff are wolves with "sheepskins."

George

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