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Date Posted: 21:02:30 03/13/11 Sun
Author: George
Subject: Re: Already determined the outcome?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Already determined the outcome?" on 20:27:49 03/13/11 Sun

>Boo hoo hoo hoo.
>
>Leadership of the c-not-of-c between a rock and a hard
>spot. What to do? What to do?
>
>I believe this thread shows that the leadership
>engineered this crisis themselves.
>--------
>
> >href="http://www.cofchrist.org/news/2009/nov/wclc.asp">
>http://www.cofchrist.org/news/2009/nov/wclc.asp
>Group Discusses Tough Issues
>
>The setting was the Temple, where 47 members of the
>Expanded World Church Leadership Council and other
>leaders spent several days discussing culturally
>respectful standards of conduct. They emphasized
>issues such as same-sex marriage and ordination of
>lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, and transgendered members.
>
>Some asked why the topics even needed to be discussed.
>President Veazey replied:
>
>�Something has to happen�that helps us resolve this
>tension that is beginning to sap the energy of the
>church in some areas�so we can focus on missional
>endeavors.
>
>�We are�at a very serious juncture.� Now is the
>time to gain a better sense of the way we want to
>approach the journey into the future.�
>-------
>
>Submitted by Lois
>
>> >>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/news/2010/june/IntoTheF
>u
>>ture-Veazey.pdf">http://www.cofchrist.org/news/2010/ju
>n
>>e/IntoTheFuture-Veazey.pdf
>>Steve Veazey of the Community of Christ
>>
>>�I am receiving some correspondence and messages that
>>state the recent action of the World
>>Conference�..
>>
>>[Section 164 6b. I f the church more fully will
>>understand and consistently apply these principles,
>>questions arising about responsible human sexuality;
>>gender identities, roles, and relationships; marriage;
>>and other issues may be resolved according to God�s
>>divine purposes. Be assured, nothing within these
>>principles condones selfish, irresponsible,
>>promiscuous, degrading, or abusive relationships]
>>
>> �..to approve the counsel I brought to the church is
>>mainly what is depressing tithing. That may be so.
>>However, I want to be clear that as long as I am in
>>the role, I will bring to the church my clearest
>>perceptions of the mind and will of God.
>>A nonnegotiable for me is that I will not compromise
>>vision, message, and the Spirit�s clear guidance in
>>the face of threats from individuals that they will
>>withdraw their financial support if they do not agree
>>with church direction or certain decisions.�

This is funny, Lois. Throughout the church's entire history, every time the church got to a serious juncture, it had to cut out the dead wood.

In 1844, the dead wood were gentlemen who refused to allow members of the First Presidency and the Council of Twelve to marry their wives. In 2011, apparently the dead wood are people who agree with St. Paul, St. Jude, and St. John that the practice of homosexuality is a serious sin that will so warp the spirit as to make the sinner unable to enter heaven.

Steve Veazey is starting to sound a lot like Brigham Young. You know, Richard Price warned us about the liberalists' fond desire to wrest the church into a doctrinal system based upon the utterances of the "Living Oracles" such as Young, Veazey, and others, rather than upon the scriptures.

What Veazey means is that if you cannot bring yourself to accept homosexuals being ordained to the priesthood, and you can't accept same-sex marriage as divine, then you can "get the &#@(* out." My advice to anyone who cannot tolerate these things is to leave now. It will take time to find a new church home, and the sooner you start, the sooner you will find it.

Or, you can wait until Mr. Veazey, in his "uncompromising" and "nonnegotiable" mode, throws you out two years from now. Then you can start looking.

John's wonderful, pious "lenten scriptures" are going to play absolutely no part in the First Presidency's decision to excommunicate or otherwise disfellowship you for disobeying their divine commands.

Awfully funny that the liberals mock and deride fundamentalists in the church for refusing to compromise. But now we see that the attitude is the exactly the same on both the liberal and the fundamentalist side. The only difference is where the loyalties lie.

George

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