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Date Posted: 22:48:48 03/16/11 Wed
Author: George
Subject: Re: Already determined the outcome?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: Already determined the outcome?" on 22:15:24 03/16/11 Wed

>Journeying Toward a USA National Conference
>BY THE USA APOSTOLIC TEAM
>
>Q: Has church leadership already determined the
>outcome on issues of same-gender marriage and
>ordaining people in same-gender relationships?
>
>A: No, church leadership is committed to discernment
>leading to the USA National Conference. This process
>will include spiritual practices, dialogue, scripture
>reflection, and study of credible resources that
>provide multiple perspectives on human sexuality and
>healthy, faithful, and committed relationships.
>
>--------
>
>I don't believe that. Does anybody reading this
>believe that?
>------
>

>
>Peter A. Judd was a member of the First
>Presidency of the Community of Christ from 2000 to
>2005. Judd was also an apostle and a member of the
>Council of Twelve Apostles of the church from 1996 to
>2000.
>------
>
>He is still on the staff of the Community of Christ.
>
>His wife is Kris Judd, President of Seventy.
>------
>
>The Gala Newsletter, November 2009, Volume 20 Issue 4,
>page 9
>
>Stonewall, An open and Affirming Ministry of Norton
>Heights Congregation, Community of Christ
>
>For the first time in years, there is a Community of
>Christ ministry in Kansas City specifically designed
>to serve the needs of the gay community.
>
>Besides Peabody, team members are Leon Berg, Doug
>Rottering and Eduardo Villarreal, members of the
>Norton Heights congregation, as well as Pastor
>Dellinger and Peter Judd, representing the
>pastorate, and Donny O�Bryan, a friend from the
>Northeast community.
>------
>
>Submitted by Lois

Lois, "affirming ministry" means preaching from the pulpit that homosexuality is a divine lifestyle, planned by God from the creation, and that anybody in or out of the church who doesn't believe this ranks somewhere between a chimpanzee and a cannibal. Yet the leadership would have us believe that they really, really haven't made up their mind one way or another about homosexuality and need lots of input from the rank and file in order to figure out what to do (which will, of course be what they have already done.

[Don't split your sides laughing.]

>
>>>Steve Veazey of the Community of Christ
>>
>>�I am receiving some correspondence and messages that
>>state the recent action of the World
>>Conference�..
>>
>>[Section 164 6b. I f the church more fully will
>>understand and consistently apply these principles,
>>questions arising about responsible human sexuality;
>>gender identities, roles, and relationships; marriage;
>>and other issues may be resolved according to God�s
>>divine purposes. Be assured, nothing within these
>>principles condones selfish, irresponsible,
>>promiscuous, degrading, or abusive relationships]
>>
>> �..to approve the counsel I brought to the church is
>>mainly what is depressing tithing. That may be so.
>>However, I want to be clear that as long as I am in
>>the role, I will bring to the church my clearest
>>perceptions of the mind and will of God.
>>A nonnegotiable for me is that I will not compromise
>>vision, message, and the Spirit�s clear guidance in
>>the face of threats from individuals that they will
>>withdraw their financial support if they do not agree
>>with church direction or certain decisions.�

I read these phrases with particular interest (emphasis mine):
I will bring to the church my clearest perceptions of the mind and will of God.

And

A nonnegotiable for me is that I will not compromise vision, message, and the Spirit�s clear guidance in the face of threats from individuals

How is it that the revelations he brings are merely his "clearest perception of themind and will of God"?

This is in keeping with the liberal teaching that all revelation is merely the recipient's conceptualization of what God said, rather than what God actually did say. Thus, if a homophobe can mistakenly believe that God told him that homosexuality is an abomination, can we trust a homophile to correctly transmit the Divine message to us, either? The current leadership of the church, which (despite its insistence that there are many, many shades of gray) is distinctly and manifestly liberal, has never at any time made any statement or performed any action that would show good faith or trustworthiness.

Then, when he delivers a veiled threat that he will not tolerate any active dissent, suddenly the revelation becomes "the Spirit's clear guidance" rather than his "clearest perception." There is a huge difference, and the prophet has just leaped from one pole to the other.

It's just more insanity. One minute Divine revelation promoting homosexuality is an iffy, individual perception, and a few seconds later it is the "clear guidance of the Spirit."

I won't say, "Stop the Madness." That's too Pollyanna. The madness isn't going to be stopped regardless of any prudent and reasonable requests or demands to do so; thus, my recommendation is to get as far away from it as you can and stay as far away as you can. There comes a time when you finally have to get in the lifeboat and leave the true believers in the unsinkable to their own devices.

George

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