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Date Posted: 01:50:22 04/27/12 Fri
Author: Lois
Subject: Re: Further evidence, c-not-of-c has no credibility
In reply to: George 's message, "Re: Further evidence, c-not-of-c has no credibility" on 21:28:25 04/26/12 Thu

>>>>> >>>>>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/homepage/mar/preside
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>>>>>ddress.asp">http://www.cofchrist.org/homepage/mar/p
>r
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>>>>>dencyaddress.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>Stephen M. Veazey says,
>>>>>
>>>>>�After consulting with my counselors, we decided
>the
>>>>>president�s annual sharing should be on or near
>>April
>>>>>6 each year to celebrate the anniversary of the
>>>>>church�s organization in 1830.
>>>>>
>>>>>The April date also is important in another way. On
>>>>>April 6, 1860, Joseph Smith III accepted the call
>to
>>>>>prophetic leadership of the �Reorganization� (RLDS
>>>>>Church), now commonly known as Community of
>Christ.�
>>>>>---------
>>>>>
>>>>>Notice that Steve Veazey does not include the fact
>>>>>that Joseph Smith Jr. accepted leadership of the
>>>>>restored church in 1830. Without the Restoration
>of
>>>>>1830, and Joseph Smith Jr. as its leader and father
>>>of
>>>>>Joseph Smith III, there would be no reorganization.
>>>>>
>>>>>Very much like in the novel, 1984, in which the
>>>>>history books were constantly revisioned.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present leadership of the Community of Christ
>is
>>>a
>>>>>collection of men and women who are absolutely no
>>>>>different than the people who persecuted Joseph
>>Smith
>>>>>Jr. and the church in the 1800�s. Some of them
>just
>>>>>happen to have ancestors who believed in the
>>>>>Restoration and so they brag about how many
>>>>>generations their families have been in the
>church.
>>>>>With such a heritage they have no excuses for what
>>>>>they have done.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lois
>>>>
>>>>Oh really?!?! I don't think so. Was the following
>>>>ordination of an openly homosexual man made null and
>>>>void? Or is this another case of, "well, it was only
>>a
>>>>few"? By the way, the bold is not by me, it is by
>>>>Steve Veazey.
>>>>
>>>> >>>>href="http://www.cofchrist.org/presidency/AprilAddre
>s
>>s
>>>/
>>>>041512/default.asp">http://www.cofchrist.org/preside
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>>>>/AprilAddress/041512/default.asp
>>>>
>>>>Stephen M. Veazey
>>>>
>>>>"Second, we need to give serious attention to a
>>>>reality in the church today. In some nations
>>>>experienced pastors and church leaders are receiving
>>>>priesthood calls through what they testify is the
>>Holy
>>>>Spirit�s witness for people in monogamous,
>committed,
>>>>same-sex/gender relationships (legal marriages,
>civil
>>>>unions, legal de facto relationships).
>>>>
>>>>The people being brought to the pastors� awareness
>>are
>>>>responsible, trusted, gifted, and compassionate
>>>>disciples of Jesus Christ. Their lives evidence the
>>>>presence of the Holy Spirit.
>>>>
>>>>Let me be clear, these calls are not being
>>>>approved. This is in compliance with the 2002
>>>>World Church Leadership Council statement that there
>>>>would be no more exceptions in matters related to
>>>>ordination unless policies were changed through the
>>>>common consent of the people."
>>>>
>>>> >>>>href="http://www.welcomingcommunitynetwork.org/wcnne
>w
>>s
>>>2
>>>>00904.pdf">http://www.welcomingcommunitynetwork.org/
>w
>>c
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>>>>news200904.pdf
>>>>
>>>>page 1
>>>>
>>>>Keith Carter, a gay member of the Community of
>Christ
>>>>- Walnut Creek, California congregation, reports
>that
>>>>since it became a WCN congregation, there have been
>>>>several ways it has shown support of the LGBT
>>>>community.
>>>>
>>>> >>>>href="http://www.sierrapacificmission.org/uploads/do
>c
>>u
>>>m
>>>>ents/SPMC_March_newsletter.pdf">http://www.sierrapac
>i
>>f
>>>i
>>>>cmission.org/uploads/documents/SPMC_March_newsletter
>.
>>p
>>>d
>>>>f
>>>>
>>>>Volume 6, No. 2 April-May-June 2010
>>>>SIERRA PACIFIC USA MISSION CENTER
>>>>MISSION NEWS
>>>>
>>>>Page 5
>>>>
>>>>ORDINATIONS
>>>>
>>>>Walnut Creek congregation: March 21st - Judy Howe
>and
>>>>Keith Carter to the office of Elder.
>>>>--------------
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone believe anything coming from the
>>>>c-not-of-c? I don't believe them.
>>>>
>>>>Lois
>>>>
>>>>2 Nephi 12
>>>>
>>>>97 There is nothing which is secret, save it shall
>be
>>>>revealed; there is no work of darkness, save it
>shall
>>>>be made manifest in the light; and there is nothing
>>>>which is sealed upon the earth, save it shall be
>>>>loosed.
>>>>98 Wherefore, all things which have been revealed
>>unto
>>>>the children of men, shall at that day be revealed;
>>>>99 And Satan shall have power over the hearts of the
>>>>children of men no more, for a long time.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ah, Lois, don't you know. These ordinations never
>>>happened, just as Joseph Smith's marriages to 43
>>>different women never happened. The church has
>>>officially proclaimed a moratorium on ordaining
>>>homosexuals and on performing same-sex shacking up
>>>ceremonies. It's just John Taylor's England mission
>>>all over again.
>>>
>>>It's so sad that the First Presidency and prieshood
>of
>>>the church are so embarrassed to be identified with
>>>the man whom they are most like: Joseph Smith, Jr.
>>>
>>>George
>>
>>Oh George, I believe Joseph Smith Jr. was a righteous
>>man. All will be revealed.
>>
>>Lois
>
>Lois, that may or not be true. What is ironic and
>really twisted, though, is that the leadership want to
>distance themselves from Joseph Smith, Jr., because
>they devoutly believe he was a liar and a sexually
>immoral man -- then they go on to lie and promote
>sexual immorality.
>
>George

Yes, that is ironic. Actually, they can't afford to have him be a moral man, since they themselves are so immoral.

Lois

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Re: Further evidence, c-not-of-c has no credibility -- George, 19:06:02 04/27/12 Fri