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Date Posted: 23:08:53 09/20/11 Tue
Author: George
Subject: Re: the agony and discomfort of outgrowing familiar patterns...
In reply to: john 's message, "the agony and discomfort of outgrowing familiar patterns..." on 21:55:55 09/20/11 Tue

> 1 In Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a
>centurion of the Italian Cohort, as it was called. 2
>He was a devout man who feared God with all his
>household; he gave alms generously to the people and
>prayed constantly to God. 3 One afternoon at about
>three o'clock he had a vision in which he clearly saw
>an angel of God coming in and saying to him,
>"Cornelius." 4 He stared at him in terror and said,
>"What is it, Lord?" He answered, "Your prayers and
>your alms have ascended as a memorial before God. 5
>Now send men to Joppa for a certain Simon who is
>called Peter; 6 he is lodging with Simon, a tanner,
>whose house is by the seaside." 7 When the angel who
>spoke to him had left, he called two of his slaves and
>a devout soldier from the ranks of those who served
>him, 8 and after telling them everything, he sent them
>to Joppa.
>
> 9 About noon the next day, as they were on their
>journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the
>roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something
>to eat; and while it was being prepared, he fell into
>a trance. 11 He saw the heaven opened and something
>like a large sheet coming down, being lowered to the
>ground by its four corners. 12 In it were all kinds of
>four-footed creatures and reptiles and birds of the
>air. 13 Then he heard a voice saying, "Get up, Peter;
>kill and eat." 14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord;
>for I have never eaten anything that is profane or
>unclean." 15 The voice said to him again, a second
>time, "What God has made clean, you must not call
>profane." 16 This happened three times, and the thing
>was suddenly taken up to heaven.
>
> 17 Now while Peter was greatly puzzled about
>what to make of the vision that he had seen, suddenly
>the men sent by Cornelius appeared. They were asking
>for Simon's house and were standing by the gate. 18
>They called out to ask whether Simon, who was called
>Peter, was staying there. 19 While Peter was still
>thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him,
>"Look, three men are searching for you. 20 Now get up,
>go down, and go with them without hesitation; for I
>have sent them." 21 So Peter went down to the men and
>said, "I am the one you are looking for; what is the
>reason for your coming?" 22 They answered, "Cornelius,
>a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is
>well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was
>directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to
>his house and to hear what you have to say." 23 So
>Peter invited them in and gave them lodging.
>
> The next day he got up and went with them, and
>some of the believers from Joppa accompanied him. 24
>The following day they came to Caesarea. Cornelius was
>expecting them and had called together his relatives
>and close friends. 25 On Peter's arrival Cornelius met
>him, and falling at his feet, worshiped him. 26 But
>Peter made him get up, saying, "Stand up; I am only a
>mortal." 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and
>found that many had assembled; 28 and he said to them,
>"You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to
>associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has
>shown me that I should not call anyone profane or
>unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without
>objection. Now may I ask why you sent for me?"
>
> 30 Cornelius replied, "Four days ago at this
>very hour, at three o'clock, I was praying in my house
>when suddenly a man in dazzling clothes stood before
>me. 31 He said, 'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard
>and your alms have been remembered before God. 32 Send
>therefore to Joppa and ask for Simon, who is called
>Peter; he is staying in the home of Simon, a tanner,
>by the sea.' 33 Therefore I sent for you immediately,
>and you have been kind enough to come. So now all of
>us are here in the presence of God to listen to all
>that the Lord has commanded you to say."
>Gentiles Hear the Good News
> 34 Then Peter began to speak to them: "I truly
>understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in
>every nation anyone who fears him and does what is
>right is acceptable to him. 36 You know the message he
>sent to the people of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus
>Christ--he is Lord of all. 37 That message spread
>throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the
>baptism that John announced: 38 how God anointed Jesus
>of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how
>he went about doing good and healing all who were
>oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39 We
>are witnesses to all that he did both in Judea and in
>Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a
>tree; 40 but God raised him on the third day and
>allowed him to appear, 41 not to all the people but to
>us who were chosen by God as witnesses, and who ate
>and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He
>commanded us to preach to the people and to testify
>that he is the one ordained by God as judge of the
>living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about
>him that everyone who believes in him receives
>forgiveness of sins through his name."
>Gentiles Receive the Holy Spirit
> 44 While Peter was still speaking, the Holy
>Spirit fell upon all who heard the word. 45 The
>circumcised believers who had come with Peter were
>astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been
>poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard
>them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter
>said, 47 "Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing
>these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as
>we have?" 48 So he ordered them to be baptized in the
>name of Jesus Christ. Then they invited him to stay
>for several days.
>Acts 10:1-48 (NRSV)

John, where in the New Testament does it say that it is all right for a minister of Jesus Christ to tell a whopping lie in order to deceive people into agreeing to join a religious body that is as inimical to the truth and the freedom that truth gives as the Sanhedrin was to the gospel? And where in the New Testament does it say that the Christian church that adopts homosexuality as normal and desirable is most pleasing to God? Or are you trying to tell us that Steve Veazey has received one of his "revelations" from "the One" that says that Cornelius was a member of a radical homosexual cult? If so, quote his revelation, and not the Bible.

And to top it all off, in a discussion of how your bosses lied for 20 years about not intending to join the NCC, you quote from a NCC owned and operated bible translation. You just don't get it, do you John? They have successfully shortcircuited your brain. You can no more see your bosses' actions in the light of day than Robocop could arrest his boss -- because in real life, (as Robocop was in fiction,) your programming completely blocks any moral capacity that you might have had to evaluate the motives and agenda of your bosses.

George

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Re: the agony and discomfort of outgrowing familiar patterns... -- john, 07:42:24 09/21/11 Wed
- Re: the agony and discomfort of outgrowing familiar patterns... -- George, 07:50:45 09/21/11 Wed