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Date Posted: 21:47:28 06/12/11 Sun
Author: George
Subject: Re: It's all happened before
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: It's all happened before" on 14:31:29 06/12/11 Sun

>>Things are always the same. A godly people inattentive
>>to the affairs of the church end up under political
>>oppression calculated to destroy their faith.
>>

DOUAY Second Maccabees 4:7 But after the death of Seleucus, when Antiochus, who was called the Illustrious, had taken
possession of the kingdom, Jason the brother of Onias ambitiously sought the high priesthood: 8 and went to the king, promising him three hundred and sixty talents of silver, and out of other revenues four-score talents. 9 Besides this he promised also a hundred and fifty more, if he might have license to set him up a place for exercise, and a place for youth, and to entitle them, that were at
Jerusalem, Antiochians. 10 Which when the king had granted, and he had gotten the rule into his hands, forthwith he began to bring over his countrymen to the fashion of the heathens. 11 And abolishing those things, which had been decreed of special favour by the kings in behalf of the Jews, by the means of John the father of that Eupolemus, who went ambassador to Rome to make amity and alliance, he disannulled the lawful ordinances of the citizens, and brought in fashions that were perverse. 12 For he had the boldness to set up, under the very castle, a place of exercise, and to put all the choicest youths in brothel
houses. 13 Now this was not the beginning, but an increase,
and progress of heathenish and foreign manners, through the abominable and unheard of wickedness of Jason, that impious wretch and no priest. 14 Insomuch that the priests were not now occupied about the offices of the altar, but despising the temple and neglecting the sacrifices, hastened to be partakers of the games, and of the unlawful allowance
thereof, and of the exercise of the discus. 15 And setting nought by the honours of their fathers, they esteemed the Grecian glories for the best: 16 For the sake of which they incurred a dangerous contention, and followed earnestly their ordinances, and in all things they coveted to be like them, who were their enemies and murderers. 17 For acting
wickedly against the laws of God doth not pass unpunished: but this the time following will declare.

>>
>>Apparently I was correct in attributing the claim of
>>the Communitarians that -- if the opposition refuses
>>to give up and will not adopt their side, that
>>everything will fall apart, I notice that the RSV
>>translated "perilous contention" in verse 16 as "heavy
>>disaster."
>>
>>The lack of common consent bewailed by the
>>Communitarians of Christ is due to the fact that no
>>follower of the Christ of the New Testament can
>>possibly agree with their proposals, proposals which
>>have already been put into effect WITHOUT common
>>consent.
>>
>>And heavy disaster awaits everybody, because of the
>>disagreeableness and insistence of the minority elite
>>party on having its own way.
>>
>>The above passage, as translated by John Wycliff, also
>>demonstrates the truth of the CofC claims that the
>>Bible cannot be understood by reading modern terms
>>into its pages. The Greek gymnazium was not merely a
>>location athletics and excercise -- it was also a
>>place where homosexuality was glorified and practiced,
>>hence, Wycliff's translation of the word as "bordello"
>>or "bordel house" filled with young men.
>>
>>This was done after the Jews "distinctives" had been
>>done away with, and "shrewd ordinances" set up to mess
>>everybody around. I note from study that the
>>trademarking of the RLDS name was only done in 2006,
>>for the purpose, of course, of persecuting RLDS.
>>Perhaps Antiochus Epiphanes had trademarked
>>circumcision. That would explain the heavy penalty he
>>imposed on Jewish parents for having their infant
>>males circumcized.
>>
>>There is no common consent unless people know what
>>they are consenting to. The word from the
>>Communitarian Church (or "Community of Christ") is
>>"Shut up and agree with us, right now, or while we are
>>talking you to death in your listening circles we are
>>going to do it without your consent."
>>
>>George
>
>Abomination of Desolation Desolation of Abomination
>
>These are mirror images.
>
>Abomination of Desolation is what is written in the
>Bible.
>
>Desolation of Abomination is what is written in the
>Doctrine and Covenants.
>
>Do they mean the same thing and Joseph Smith just got
>the words switched around? That is what I first
>thought until someone gave me a new insight. It is a
>mirror image.
>
>The first time it was Atiochus Epiphanes Abomination
>of Desolation.
>
>The next time it is the community not of christ
>Desolation of Abomination.
>
>History repeats itself.
>
>Lois

I guess we agree on this one, Lois.

I note with some interest that John Wycliff, who was martyred for making this translation from Latin Manuscript into English manuscript (moveable type not having been invented yet) called the usurper Jason a "not priest." Wycliff calls the office of high priest the "highest priest," which seems to go along with this, too. After all, the current president of the high priesthood seems to think that not even God Almighty can tell him to do anything that he hasn't already decided to do on his own cognizance. You may also note that the Clementine Vulgate (which was made after Gutenberg,) was a "revision" of the previous Latin Bible, and thus was the same sort of construct that the Book of Mormon mentions as having revised out the most obvious and valuable truths of doctrine.

Note also, though, that Master Gregory Martin's 16th century translation of the Vulgate agrees substantially with Wycliff's, although his company described the cultural diversity affirmed for young men as male brothels.

George

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