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Date Posted: 19:55:14 05/02/11 Mon
Author: George
Subject: Re: I guess we cannibals are all alone until the next missionaries show
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Re: I guess we cannibals are all alone until the next missionaries show" on 10:26:39 05/02/11 Mon

>>>>Lois, I guess we won't have any other participation
>>>>here until the CofC has another group come to try to
>>>>convert us to the One True Liberalism.
>>>>
>>>>I guess we unwashed heathens will have to fend for
>>>>ourselves until someone gets a call from whomever.
>>>>
>>>>George
>>>
>>>George,
>>>
>>>Yep, you got that right. We may not get anybody else,
>>>it is getting almost impossible for them to pretend
>>>about their true agenda anymore. That is, their
>>>egotistically self righteous agenda of redefining
>>>morality. In the meantime I will just keep putting up
>>>information for the lurkers.
>>>
>>>Lois
>>
>>
>>Lois, I think the scripture calls it "strong
>>delusion." Our friends who came here to "help" us
>>think that because they are basically nice people that
>>the rationalizations they have been brainwashed with
>>will eventually be picked up by us as easily as an
>>accent is picked up by a yankee who moves from
>>Pennsylvania to Mississippi.
>>
>>While I think that many homosexuals are otherwise fine
>>people who just have personal problems to deal with
>>the best way that they can, it is a delusion to think
>>that redefining homosexual sex as equivalent to normal
>>sex will solve the problems of any homosexual. All it
>>will do is transfer these same problems to the
>>population at large.
>>
>>Statistics show that in countries that have normalized
>>homosexuality and same-sex marriage that many opposite
>>sex couples don't bother to get married any more.
>>Marriage that is adulterated with anything at all
>>isn't deemed by them to have any real value.
>>
>>One of the things that brought an end to the
>>Babylonian empire was debt. Nebuchadnezzar redefined
>>the exchange system to make a mina of silver worth as
>>much as a mina of gold to avoid shortages of the
>>medium of exchange. Later, the same was done by making
>>a mina of copper equal to both a mina of silver and a
>>mina of gold.
>>
>>Of course, before it got to the point where one could
>>pick up a rock off the ground and declare it legal
>>tender, the country collapsed. That's why other
>>strange lifestyles will not be endorsed and
>>normalized. Once it starts heading in that direction,
>>the society can't sustain itself long enough to get to
>>the end of that conversion.
>>
>>The supposed "slippery slope" that will lead to
>>polygamy, pedophilia, and zoophilia being legalized
>>and normalized may actually exist, but the society
>>that slides down that slope will disintegrate long
>>before it gets to the bottom. Like the fat man falling
>>downstairs, it may be funny until he gets to the
>>bottom and it is discovered that he's dead. Nobody
>>knows whether he died on the first step, the eighth
>>step, or the last one; however, the end result is
>>clear. There is no way to get feedback to alter the
>>situation to refine it to avoid the untoward results.
>>Either you fall, or you don't.
>>
>>One can spend hours teaching classes of impressionable
>>children that a rock is just as good legal tender as a
>>piece of gold, but regardless of what the children
>>eventually are conditioned to believe, the truth is
>>otherwise. That is the great fallacy of the idea that
>>reality is basically all in one's head, and that
>>screwing with one's head will change reality.
>>
>>George
>>
>>Are pedophiles people with souls of worth to
>>God?
>>
>>Yes, they are.
>>
>>Will normalizing pedophilia and making it illegal
>>for people to persecute pedophiles solve the
>>pedophiles' problems?
>>
>>No. It will just cause a lot of problems for a lot of
>>other people who don't deserve them.
>
>George,
>
>They have one webpage entitled Child Protection
> >href="http://www.cofchrist.org/legal/ChildProtection/de
>fault.asp">http://www.cofchrist.org/legal/ChildProtecti
>on/default.asp
>
>I wouldn't trust them with my children or
>grandchildren. Since the whole thrust of the
>c-not-of-c has become the GLBT agenda how could anyone
>trust their children with them?
>
>Lois
>

Look at it this way, Lois. The institutional church assures everybody that it has taken steps to set up rules that will give everyone confidence that no one is being abused sexually or psychologically by a priesthood member. However, the situation with the deliberate ordination of homosexuals in absolute and total defiance of the rules just demonstrates that rules are for show only -- to give the laity confidence in people who are not worthy of that trust in the first place.

Remember when the French built the Maginot Line, but didn't want to go to the expense of completing it to the North Sea along the Dutch and Belgian borders? France signed a treaty with the Germans in which the Germans agreed to the rule that the Germans would not cross the low countries (where there was no Maginot Line) to attack France. However, that was double-mindedness. If the Germans could be trusted to keep a treaty, the French could simply have signed a treaty with them not to attack France at all, and then the Line would have been unnecessary.

And of course, the Germans adequately demonstrated the need for the Maginot Line in the first place. They attacked, and (in defiance of the treaty they had so happily signed,) went throught the low countries and attacked the Line from the rear, where there was no defense.

It is insane to proclaim a need for confidence and security, and then put people who are untrustworthy in charge of maintaining that confidence and security. It would be just as easy for the current president of the church to sit and watch a known pedophile or rapist being ordained to the priesthood while saying nothing as it was for W. Grant McMurray to sit and watch while homosexuals were ordained in defiance of the rules.

In the CofC rules mean nothing -- even the most basic of rules designed to prevent hysteria. The fact that the rules are necessary in the first place is adequate proof that someone is not trustworthy. We cannot trust them to have common Christian virtue enough to avoid deliberately (not accidentally) ordaining homosexuals to the priesthood. The rules is just a Maginot Line to give the laity confidence that the hierarchy will not sell them out. And they'll foolishly hold that confidence until that final moment when they see that they have been betrayed. But it will be too late then.

McMurray's announcement at the Great Gay Conference of 2002 forever shattered any shred of credibility that the Community of Christ hierarchy has. It was a confession of total and egregious disregard for the rules practiced by the very people and offices charged with keeping them. After all, McMurray's confession of watching while others broke the rules indicted every single member of the priesthood -- because under his tutelage, there was obviously no enforcement of anything other than the whim of the President. And that situation continues today. There is no reason to believe otherwise: Matt's, John's, and Wally's refusal to lift a voice against the most sinister malfeasance of the hierarchy, especially in the areas where the rubber actually meets the road, has adequately demonstrated that.

George

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Re: I guess we cannibals are all alone until the next missionaries show -- Lois, 20:14:47 05/02/11 Mon
- Re: I guess we cannibals are all alone until the next missionaries show -- George, 23:44:00 05/02/11 Mon