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Date Posted: 17:52:01 04/15/11 Fri
Author: George
Subject: Re: Correction before john calls me a liar
In reply to: Mamusz 's message, "Re: Correction before john calls me a liar" on 15:03:08 04/15/11 Fri

>>>>and, if you would stop telling lies then no one
>could
>>>>accuse you of lying...
>>>>
>>>
>>>john,
>>>
>>>Here is a scripture for April 14 not provided by the
>>>Revised Common Lectionary.
>>>
>>>Revelation 12
>>>
>>>8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the
>>>great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent
>>>called the devil, and also called Satan, which
>>>deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the
>>>earth; and his angels were cast out with him.
>>>9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is
>>>come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our
>>>God, and the power of his Christ;
>>>10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
>>>which accused them before our God day and night.
>>>11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the
>>>Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they
>>>loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony
>even
>>>unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that
>>>dwell in them.
>>>
>>>Submitted by Lois
>>>
>>>
>>>PAPER #5,The First Presidency (of
>>>Community of Christ), January 9, 1979, 4:15 p.m.
>>>COPING WITH CONFLICTING MESSAGES
>>>It seems that it is difficult for persons who feel
>>>compelled to express their divergent views to
>>>discriminate between the lawful powers given to the
>>>First Presidency for the sake of the church and the
>>>privilege they have as individual members of the
>>>church to express their point of view. There
>certainly
>>>must be opportunity to express dissent and
>>>dissatisfaction and this should be done directly with
>>>the officer or officers involved. The First
>Presidency
>>>are willing to give a hearing to responsible
>>>criticism. Members do not have a right, however to
>>>directly circularize the church with a point of view
>>>or style which conflicts with the program emphasis
>>>being presented to the church.
>>
>>
>>Lois, when Alan Tyree revised the words to "A Mighty
>>Fortress is Our God," he took out the verse that
>>mentions Satan. That left the next verse hanging,
>>because the one he eliminated was the verse that
>>brought up "the word." The next verse, which he left,
>>refers to "that word," the antecedent to which is
>>missing from Tyree's version because Tyree had to make
>>Satan disappear, too.
>>
>>The verse Tyree left out:
>>
>>Thought this world with devils filled
>>Should threaten to undo us,
>>We will not fear for God hath willed
>>His truth to triumph through us.
>>The Prince of Darkness grim --
>>We tremble not for him,
>>His rage we can endure.
>>For lo, his doom is sure.
>>One little word shall fell him.
>>
>>Tyree left in the next verse, which states that the
>>gift of salvation and of the gospel have nothing to do
>>with (among other things) ecclesiastical clubs
>>incorporated under secular law:
>>
>>That word above all earthly powers
>>No thanks to them abideth.
>>The spirit and the gifts are ours
>>Through him who with us sideth.
>>Dost ask who that may be?
>>Christ Jesus it is he;
>>Lord Sabaoth his name.
>>From age to age the same.
>>And he must win the battle.
>>
>>The idea that such a thing as seducing spirits and
>>devils actually exist is anathema to the enlightened
>>liberalists. In fact, they are so enlightened, one
>>wonders why they need a primitive church organization
>>at all, unless it is to use it to exploit the
>>superstitious natives.
>>
>>As for the CofC's take on dissent: it is o.k. to
>>conscientiously object, but after all the objecting
>>has been done, one must get out there and attack the
>>Alamo with the rest of the Mexican army, or there will
>>be consequences.
>>
>>George
>
>I was the church organist at the time the new red
>hymnal came out. I went all the way through it. All
>mention of demons/devils as well as battles for Jesus
>were removed. That was very glaringly obvious. So was
>the inclusive language.
>
>Mamusz

I get you loud and clear, Mamusz. And this in a church whose primary reason for existence was to print and spread the gospel utilizing a book which tells us that the one of the Devil's chief weapons is to claim that he can't be a devil because there isn't any such thing.

George

"I am no devil, for there is none."

(I can't supply the verse right away. I'll look it up.)

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