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Date Posted: Thursday, January 01, 10:44:44pm
Author: Sludge
Subject: Oh my! So much for civility in the New Year
In reply to: Peacock 's message, "One only needs to read your first sentence to understand how disingenuous you are" on Thursday, January 01, 12:24:00pm

Your lack of comprehension has again showed. Yes, it is precisely your early positives on Dunne that I have made reference to. The message I gave is that you now attempt, through more than inference, to suggest that you harbored misgivings about JD from the start. The implication that the choice had already made by Stein before the ensuing selection process and that you felt there were better candidates available, was never mentioned by you until our shortcomings began to show. It has been you, among several others, that have over hyped the recruits much like the feeble-minded that dominate the other boards. Again, one doesn't have to be an on-site observer or recruiting expert to recognize talent level. Just examine the interest these recruits receive from others. When I raised skepticism on Mumford and questioned Costner, Leon and Hogga, among others, you simply dismissed by citing something obscure, probably from some biased source.

No need for me to waste time responding again to your personal invectives. They grow tired and old and apparently stem from your inability to provide anything tangible to this discussion other than continue with your demoniac crusade on the ineptness of our entire athletic staff. These people work hard, have competence, but suffer from a lack of resources and, until recently, support from the top. No, I don't think the cause here is hopeless. It will just take a great deal of patience and better understanding of the limits we face. You certainly remain consistent in one respect; that being a desire to attack and criticize any and all things that don't meet your standards. A standard which is measured not on the facts but on what is convenient for that moment or purpose. Three staffs over the past 12-13 years, all incidentally which you initially supported, have failed at winning. Why? Well maybe its just a bit more than the guys that continue to work hard at this level.

Some of your attacks make me question whether you deliberately challenge or deceive to support a position, or simply, have a mindset that is incapable of hearing what others have to say. Much like one who lies when he claims he doesn't hear the hate that spews from his pastor's lips, or simply is not competent to judge what is ugly.

Incidentally, the senile old man was not my choice but certainly the lesser of two evils when one examines character and integrity. Well let's hope for our country's sake that "your man" can wash his hand's clean before the Chicago Fed's get the chance to question him.

Enough said. Time for me to get back to my posh surrounds. Happy New Year.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> The issue with you is your absolute stupidty -- Peacock, Friday, January 02, 02:52:26pm [1]

You only state what you want to believe as nowhere do I state a misgiving, only that he would not have been my first choice. Strange how you always attempt to twist what exists to fit your need to show how balanced you are, what with the penchant to have lied on too many occasions before. Comments on what has transpired in the past are not evidence of the feelings back then but are the result of commenting on results, an act you need to explain away with excuses. Best way to say this is the excuses you make for Bush after four years and blame the bit players. I guess you see WMD in every thing you don't like.

You go to great lengths to make this personal, when in fact you make the first comments about an opinion. Using your self anointed intelligence through innuendo you play on other's lack of knowledge. In fact you wonder if I deceive, but have yet to ever challenge or prove wrong most of the issues I bring forth. If I am to deceive, you need to come out with more substantial rebuttals than the Chicken Little" defense of the "Sky is Falling".

A perfect example of your logic is the statement "Three staffs over the past 12-13 years, all incidentally which you initially supported, have failed at winning. " Since Dunne has not approached any of the prior two, you wonder why one would question his competence now. And as usual you get it wrong, I probably felt better about Dunne than I did for Rodger or Leckie, both of whom I did not like as selections. As far as support, I would always give it until the time they showed they did not deserve it. Blind lost it only in his fifth season, Leckie in his fifth season and Dunne right now.

Probably you even miss the fact that as you state I had better feelings about his second year recruits and dismissed your skepticism. If this does not imply support at that time, what does. Guess you feel real good about the poor performance we see. Well I don't and this Pollyanna good guy character and integrity does not exactly measure up to a good coach. In fact I wonder who you are inferring were candidates of poor character and integrity. I agree I might have given his evaluation more credit than it deserved but I also understood what these kids were like in HS. And while you are not exactly the most astute analyzer on the board, there is the possibility that Dunne does not manage well what he has. A 20 % winning record should give you pause to consider that there well be more than talent selection at the root cause.


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