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Date Posted: Wednesday, September 03, 03:31:58pm
Author: Sludge
Subject: There you go again
In reply to: Peacock 's message, "As usual you avoid an issue" on Wednesday, September 03, 12:40:52pm

Your usual missrepresentation of my views, mischaracterization of events, and the usual demonizing of one's personals. Perhaps we can find you a position with the New York Times in collecting DNA from the discarded panties of Sarah Paylin after they find their way into the dumpster.

How quickly you choose to forget. Orta had some decent games to begin the season despite being the marked man. He was virtually unstopable from the 3-point stripe in the SHU game as anyone in attendance would attest. Perhaps this was one of the few games you could not attend and were forced to view from your best vantage point, the radio or web report.

Where have I ever said that the coaching does not have an influence on the game and the players? Of course coaching plays a big role. Unlike you, I have been more realistic in balancing my criticism among players and coaching. Because I argued on both counts, you now come to some illogical conclusion that I don't believe coaching is a factor. How rediculous and out of character, even for you, to make such a stupid suggestion.

You again misrepresent and show your lack of insight when you infer I was a strong supporter of Leon. What you refuse to accept or acknowledge is that I have only supported Leon versus Lampley at the point, since the latter has shown nothing to recommend him for that role. Your silly argument that we would have not lost any more games with Lampley makes little sense here. At least in Leon's case he is attempting to learn and grow into the position.

Likewise your radio has probably let you down further when you speak of the lack of screens being set. If you were watching or, in your case, maybe listening more carefully, you would have seen that single and double screen sets were employed or at least tried on numerous occasions in all the games. This was worked on and stressed in practices. The inability to execute might be a reason some of this did not work (sorry, I must try to be careful and not attack the players for this).

Lastly, it appears you have backed down on your remark paraphrasing me on the fact they were freshmen. Of course, being freshmen does influence play. As the Gatekeeper for the Board archives I look forward to reading the comment you claim that I originally made.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Quit the Holier than thou approach -- Peacock, Thursday, September 04, 01:38:46pm [1]

I probably have seen as many games live as you have so your innuendoes to bolster your point of view show how dishonest you are.

No one disputes that Orta could shoot the three, but he also needed to be wide open. He hesitated on many opportunities that were wasted during the game. If anyone wants to state that Orta was quick for his shot pipe up now. Well after the injury he missed many crucial shots.

Secondly, your comment " Unlike you, I have been more realistic in balancing my criticism among players and coaching. " shows you lacking in courage. Any comment on coaching you have made has been so slight hiding constantly behind "We are St Peters" and we do squat for the coach and he has little responsibility in our record. I believe this is your term for realistic. Less you forget if he accomplishes three season of single digit wins, he would be the first in the NCAA era for the school. Now that could be very real and will await your apologetic reasoning for results. Now of course I expect us to do double digits, unlike you, and you will be spared the indignity of explaining away another bad season.

I also disagree on your Lampley and Leon comments. In fact your are clairvoyant with your statement "Your silly argument that we would have not lost any more games with Lampley makes little sense here. At least in Leon's case he is attempting to learn and grow into the position." Funny how you know that Lampley didn't want to learn the position given how little opportunity in comparison he was given and how in touch you are with Lampley's desires. Saying he sucks would be honored as an opinion but telling us what he wanted not to do is very shameful. I also disagree with your fellow expert that Lampley doesn't have a shot. He missed a lot, but also attempted to work for shots constantly trying to make things happen in the moribund offense we have been shown. Yes he was out of control but not helped. Leon on the other hand needs help to set up his shot. I always supported Leon and as you know I feel he was poorly used last season. Unlike you, I don't think ether player is bad, but feel they were poorly utilized. Its amazing how people forget how Lampley single-handily got us back into the Rider game at Rider.

Also I need to clarify something. You have very often DENIED being an insider and not privy to the workings at the practices. Yet you state "This was worked on and stressed in practices. " Even if you got it second hand it shows your are both devious and dishonest. I have seen enough and talked to many who also have and your picks and screens were not a major part of the offensive play. In fact, they looked more organized in the early part of the season to basically a disjointed group at the end. Throughout the season, deterioration was more evident than the teaching and learning you profess.

I have not backed down in your comment about freshman, but have no desire to waste time searching for a post last season that may have already been removed from the archives. In fact you have shown in your current post that you will mislead and misstate to fit your needs, so I have no desire to dig for dirt on you when you leave your dirt constantly as you explain away yourself.


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